Is Wondershare Time Freeze still relevant?

[aladdin]

Originally Posted by Boyfriend

I mean I freeze system for all my internet related activities, including but not limited to browsing, downloading, streaming, etc. I have set IDM, Google Chrome, uTorrent, etc. to save downloads in another drive. In IDM, sometimes I have larger download, i.e., Windows 8 Enterprise Evaluation version officially available from Microsoft. I would love to completely download it before restart of system. WTF has limited freeze cache, while DeepFreeze don't have any such limit. With DeepFreeze, I have other problems. I try to brief the difference here:

Still don't understand.

You say that you save your downloads in another drive. Can you check the following setting in your IDM?

Options > Save To >Temporary Directory

The above should be set to another drive too!

The above will survive any numbers of reboots and you will be able to resume, if resume is available for that download.

Best regards,

[Boyfriend]

Originally Posted by bo elam

You can set cache size in Toolwiz TimeFreeze now, they added the option for doing that in the latest release. Give it a try, you ll be able to do what you want.

Bo

I have tried Toolwiz TimeFreeze previously. It slows down the system too much. Things are 3 times slows at least compared to normal system. That's why I haven't compared it in my previous post. BTW, thanks for updated info

[Boyfriend]

Originally Posted by aladdin

Still don't understand.

You say that you save your downloads in another drive. Can you check the following setting in your IDM?

Options > Save To >Temporary Directory

The above should be set to another drive too!

The above will survive any numbers of reboots and you will be able to resume, if resume is available for that download.

Best regards,

Temporary directory is also set to another drive, but download list can't survive frozen restart as IDM save download list in registry. I have to export that registry before each restart and then import it at next restart. Sometimes, it is feasible and sometimes it cause another problem; I have to change queue too of all downloads to resume after registry import.

[aladdin]

Originally Posted by Boyfriend

Temporary directory is also set to another drive, but download list can't survive frozen restart as IDM save download list in registry. I have to export that registry before each restart and then import it at next restart. Sometimes, it is feasible and sometimes it cause another problem; I have to change queue too of all downloads to resume after registry import.

Install IDM in the another drive.

Best regards,

[Flexigav]

You can set the memory buffer size in WTF if you have sufficient RAM available as stated in this extract from the WTF website:

"Time Freeze can suggest a memory buffer size as a default value, according to your system configuration. Select Use Physical Memory Buffer Mode, and you can customize the value from the Size list. If your physical memory does not meet the requirements, this option is not available".

http://support.wondershare.com/how-t...mode-have.html

[Flexigav]

It seems WTF and the other virtual system applications mentioned are best applied to the task of testing new programs in a secure environment, as opposed to internet security. What is the drawback of using them in internet security?

[pegr]

Originally Posted by Flexigav

It seems WTF and the other virtual system applications mentioned are best applied to the task of testing new programs in a secure environment, as opposed to internet security. What is the drawback of using them in internet security?

Light virtualization programs can form part of a layered security strategy, but they aren't intended to be used on their own for security due to the potential of malware to do damage in terms of data and identity theft while running in the virtual environment.

[aladdin]

Originally Posted by pegr

Light virtualization programs can form part of a layered security strategy, but they aren't intended to be used on their own for security due to the potential of malware to do damage in terms of data and identity theft while running in the virtual environment.

This can be minimized with having two or three reboots a day. Let us take for an example, if I want to do some banking, I will reboot my computer and get rid of any potential malware which might be lurking in terms of data and identity theft.

After the reboot I am potentially safe to do my banking without worrying about any risks. After I am finished with my banking I will do another reboot. Then I can go any potential risky sites and get infected to my heart content and another reboot will take care of it.

For this reason I always turn off my computer when I am finished with it rather than putting it to sleep. A reboot for me is 30 second job with SSD, btw SSDs are $80 for 120GB. A SSD is a must rather than paying dearly every year for a ridiculous layered solution.

Best regards,

[pegr]

Originally Posted by aladdin

This can be minimized with having two or three reboots a day. Let us take for an example, if I want to do some banking, I will reboot my computer and get rid of any potential malware which might be lurking in terms of data and identity theft.

After the reboot I am potentially safe to do my banking without worrying about any risks. After I am finished with my banking I will do another reboot. Then I can go any potential risky sites and get infected to my heart content and another reboot will take care of it.

Hi Aladdin,

I do the same thing and I'm glad you mentioned that because what you are recommending is good practice for increased security when banking or shopping online.

However, that doesn't address the fundamental point I was making. With only a light virtualization program for protection, it's possible for malware to install itself in the virtual environment prior to reboot. Once running, unless additional security is in place, there is nothing to stop it from stealing data, passwords, etc.

I repeat what I said before, light virtualization programs should not be used as the sole means of protection if the system is holding resources that need to be protected.

Kind regards

[aladdin]

Originally Posted by pegr

However, that doesn't address the fundamental point I was making. With only a light virtualization program for protection, it's possible for malware to install itself in the virtual environment prior to reboot. Once running, unless additional security is in place, there is nothing to stop it from stealing data, passwords, etc.

Dear Pegr,

Can you give a scenario how malware will steal data under virtualization if the data is not used or the program which access the data is not used.

Best regards,

[pegr]

Originally Posted by aladdin

Can you give a scenario how malware will steal data under virtualization if the data is not used or the program which access the data is not used.

Hi Aladdin,

Nice demonstration video showing how it can be done from ESET: http://blog.eset.com/2012/05/23/malw...ur-privacy-too

Admittedly, the infection would only last until the next reboot, but I wouldn't want to run the risk of a RAT running on my system, even for a short time.

Kind regards

[aladdin]

Originally Posted by pegr

Hi Aladdin,

Nice demonstration video showing how it can be done from ESET: http://blog.eset.com/2012/05/23/malw...ur-privacy-too

Admittedly, the infection would only last until the next reboot, but I wouldn't want to run the risk of a RAT running on my system, even for a short time.

Kind regards

What a wastage of my 16 minutes. I reboot. Open my password program and do my banking. The logins to my banking sites are automatic URL with 52 characters password through my password manager.

Close my password manager and reboot.

Best regards,

P.S. Good marketing video by ESET.

[pegr]

Originally Posted by aladdin

What a wastage of my 16 minutes. I reboot. Open my password program and do my banking. The logins to my banking sites are automatic URL with 52 characters password through my password manager.

Of course ESET are recommending their own solution but their analysis of the problem is valid.

We're not talking about online banking and shopping here; that's not where you are going to get infected. We are talking about normal use of the browser, opening email attachments, plugging in USB sticks, etc. Virtualization software on its own won't protect data against a malware RAT if encountered by any of these means.

And yes, you can guard against all of these things, but not by using virtualization software on its own, which is the point I'm making.

Kind regards

[Flexigav]

Q1) Does Deep Freeze clone the real OS partition into a virtual one using space on a HDD or in available RAM?

Q2) Is this the same for WTF?

Q3) What if my real Windows was set up with the Documents folder mapped to another drive. Would the virtual session try to save files to the mapped location which is not virtual, or would another virtual volume be created that holds my Document folder?