Wilders Security Forums  

Go Back   Wilders Security Forums > Other Security Topics > other security issues & news
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #26  
Old January 27th, 2008, 12:52 AM
Mr. Y Mr. Y is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Default Re: Vmware For Security

If your Host has been compromised by Malware, will Vmware insulate you from the Host infection?
__________________
Y?
  #27  
Old January 27th, 2008, 01:20 AM
ethernal's Avatar
ethernal ethernal is offline
Regular Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 132
Default Re: Vmware For Security

mr y:

99% percent of the time yes. the 1% lacking is the benefit of doubt.

all common viruses i've seen to date either infects the boot sector of the hard drive (back in the old days) or propagate through the files in the file system, it never goes up to actual driver level (afaik).

so no worries there, the vmware image is inside a file, and viruses wouldn't know what to do with them. i honestly don't think there is a singly virus in the wild capable of changing a vmware image into infecting the guest, it's very improbably and quite difficult (if at all possible).

on top of that, if it is at all possible to change a vmware image externally, the actual image type will probably change between versions of vmware, and when you add all the possible guest systems and their possible configurations, you have infinity. it might be theoretically possible, but in practicality it's not feasable.
  #28  
Old January 27th, 2008, 06:13 AM
solcroft solcroft is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,639
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by ethernal
i feel it is very unnecessary to automatically assume somebody is an incompetent idiot due to low post count.
It has much less to do about your postcount than your acting like one. Maybe you should be taking a hint from what everyone tells you in every thread you participate in.

The OS kernel is just an abstraction layer for software. Installing an OS inside a virtual machine creates a virtualized kernel for that virtualized OS, which has nothing to do with the host machine's OS kernel. Granting an application ring0 privileges allows it to compromise the VM's kernel, not the host machine's.
  #29  
Old January 27th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Peter2150's Avatar
Peter2150 Peter2150 is online now
Global Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11,805
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Y
If your Host has been compromised by Malware, will Vmware insulate you from the Host infection?

Hi Mr Y

The one place in this scenario you'd have to be careful is without starting the guest machine, you can mount the guest's disk drive as another disk on the host. That I suppose could lead to problems.

Pete
  #30  
Old January 28th, 2008, 10:20 PM
sosaiso's Avatar
sosaiso sosaiso is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 601
Default Re: Vmware For Security

So, if we do a default installation of XP, and not tinkering with any other settings, is it safe to assume that any infections in the VMWare system will not affect the computer that the VMWare Server/Workstation is running on?
__________________
Windows Firewall, SandboxIE.
  #31  
Old January 28th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Meriadoc's Avatar
Meriadoc Meriadoc is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Cymru
Posts: 2,642
Default Re: Vmware For Security

An infection within a VM will not normally cross over to the host.
  #32  
Old January 30th, 2008, 07:39 PM
DasFox DasFox is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,825
Default Re: Vmware For Security

So getting back to one of my questions Vmware isn't going to stress hardware anymore?

I personally never considered this before, but I don't want it causing problems...

Personally I've never heard of anyone having hardware problems because of it.

So if you have an adequate it's not going to hurt drives or CPU?

THANKS
  #33  
Old January 30th, 2008, 07:44 PM
DasFox DasFox is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,825
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter2150
I also use Shadowdefender, and just to avoid this issue, when I am doing anything really dangereous in the VM, I shadow all my drives on the host.

Getting off topic here, but I wanted to ask, of all the apps out there why did you choose Shadowdefender?

THANKS
  #34  
Old January 30th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Peter2150's Avatar
Peter2150 Peter2150 is online now
Global Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11,805
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
Getting off topic here, but I wanted to ask, of all the apps out there why did you choose Shadowdefender?

THANKS

A) It tested will
B) Protects both drives

Actually now, I am testing the latest beta of Returnil. I actually think Returnil, is a bit more robust, but right now SD wins on features.. TIme will tell.
  #35  
Old January 30th, 2008, 08:06 PM
DasFox DasFox is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,825
Default Re: Vmware For Security

THANKS, you using the Returnil free version?

And my other questions regarding hardware and Vmware damaging them?

Btw can SD and Returnil run in Vmware to test them?
  #36  
Old January 30th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Peter2150's Avatar
Peter2150 Peter2150 is online now
Global Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11,805
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
THANKS, you using the Returnil free version?

And my other questions regarding hardware and Vmware damaging them?

Btw can SD and Returnil run in Vmware to test them?

Actually the Returnil Premium Beta

I've seen no evidence of any damage to hardware from VMware. Just you need the resources. I run a machine that has 1gig of ram and 2 20gig harddrives. Takes resources.

Yes I run FDISR, SD, Returnil, DeepFreeze, and others all in VMware. The disk drives are just like real drives, you have disk management etc. Plus it's snapshot system can't be matched in real hardware.

Pete
  #37  
Old January 30th, 2008, 08:39 PM
DasFox DasFox is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,825
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter2150
Actually the Returnil Premium Beta

I've seen no evidence of any damage to hardware from VMware. Just you need the resources. I run a machine that has 1gig of ram and 2 20gig harddrives. Takes resources.

Yes I run FDISR, SD, Returnil, DeepFreeze, and others all in VMware. The disk drives are just like real drives, you have disk management etc. Plus it's snapshot system can't be matched in real hardware.

Pete

How stable is the Premium Beta to run on a production box under Vmware?

For Vmware I have an AMD XP 3000+ 2.0ghz and 1GB Ram with two 300GB Drives running 16MB Cache.

FDISR?

Sorry I don't get this ---> snapshot system can't be matched in real hardware?

THANKS
  #38  
Old January 30th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Peter2150's Avatar
Peter2150 Peter2150 is online now
Global Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11,805
Default Re: Vmware For Security

Hi DasFox

Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
How stable is the Premium Beta to run on a production box under Vmware?

I am running the Premium Beta on host. It's stable

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dasfox
FDISR?

FDISR = First Defense Immediate System Recovery. See Leapfrog forum

[QUOTE[DasFpx]Sorry I don't get this ---> snapshot system can't be matched in real hardware?[/quote]

Vmware Workstation has a snapshot system where you can save the state of the system. Sort of similar to EaszFix, except, it recovers the system from anything. You can completely trash the disk, to an extent that no regular recovery system can handle, short of disk repair, and image restore. With the VMware workstation you just go back to another snapshot, and the machine is back to the state where the snapshot was taken.

Pete
  #39  
Old January 30th, 2008, 09:56 PM
DasFox DasFox is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,825
Default Re: Vmware For Security

I know about Vmware snapshot, I thought you were referring something about FDISR, SD, Returnil, DeepFreeze in Vmware was all, didn't quite follow the sentence.

But what do you mean it can't be matched in real hardware, not quite sure what you mean here?

Also The disk drives are just like real drives, Huh?
 

Wilders Security Forums > Other Security Topics > other security issues & news « Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2002 - 2013, Wilders Security Forums