Pirate Bay must be blocked, High Court tells ISPs

[mirimir]

Mr Justice Arnold said that the process must begin in the next few weeks. It followed his ruling in February that both the operators and users of The Pirate Bay website infringe the copyright of music companies.

-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9236667/Pirate-Bay-must-be-blocked-High-Court-tells-ISPs.html

[funkydude]

If this is done using DNS interception then DNSCrypt will prevent it.

[Daveski17]

I wonder what BT will do, being's as they are taking some weeks to consider the verdict?

[dw426]

The industry and government just refuse to learn. *sigh* Can they not get it through their heads that throwing laws at the problem and threatening everyone actually has the opposite effect? No one who actually bothers to *try* to understand the matter believes that millions of dollars and jobs are lost every year to piracy. If piracy truly were "killing" the industry, it would have already been dead.

New artists aren't getting cheated out of money, they're simply not getting signed. For every mainstream act out there playing 50 times a day on a radio, there are many, many more never leaving the small clubs and bars of the world because they aren't given a shot. Back to Pirate Bay though, the website can be blocked, certainly, even taken down. But it won't stay down, and piracy won't be stopped with only laws and threats. They're just making things worse, but you might as well talk to a wall.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by dw426

If piracy truly were "killing" the industry, it would have already been dead.

Yes, I remember the 'Home Taping is Killing Music' campaign, way back. It wasn't killing anything.

Originally Posted by dw426

but you might as well talk to a wall

Of course, you'd get more sense out of a wall.

[chronomatic]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

Yes, I remember the 'Home Taping is Killing Music' campaign, way back. It wasn't killing anything.

You think that was hilarious? Then you have to see this video from the early 90's about copying floppy disks.

Link: -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI-

[TOMxEU]

Copying is promoting. If they would stop paying for useless copy protection, which would cut the prices to half and started to sell via internet, they would benefit from it.
So far the games on internet cost almost as much as DVDs and as for the movies, you can not even buy them on the internet, at best you can hire them for watching.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by TOMxEU

Copying is promoting. If they would stop paying for useless copy protection, which would cut the prices to half and started to sell via internet, they would benefit from it.
So far the games on internet cost almost as much as DVDs and as for the movies, you can not even buy them on the internet, at best you can hire them for watching.

Really it boils down to the industries being very much afraid of the internet. The only reason iTunes has the blessing of the music industry, is because for one thing it was Steve Jobs..he was that influential. Of course even he got looked at funny when the idea was brought up, and iTunes was quite restrictive at one point. Look at the rest of the offerings, Rhapsody has all but dropped its streaming services and doesn't pull in anywhere near the money of iTunes.

Spotify was a glimmer of hope until it hit U.S shores, at which point its legs were chopped off and was a shell of its foreign self. Streaming services like Pandora and Slacker are paying so much in royalty fees they are barely making anything for paid users, while free users are getting less and less than when these services started.

Netflix, Hulu, both are, again, shells of their former selves whether due to cable companies taking their shows off the site (Netflix) or being so restrictive that even the paid service is hardly worth it (Hulu). It just comes down to business model again. The industry still wants to operate like it has for decades, but they're dealing with people who, because of the internet, have the world at their fingertips and have been spoiled with being able to get practically anything they want just by sitting at a chair and typing a few words into a search box.

That's a rough crowd to say "You do it our way and pay what we say, or else" to. Threatening them and going on website witchhunts are, again, just going to make said people add fuel to their flaming torches and will make the so-called "piracy epidemic" much worse.

[TOMxEU]

Well put, after all, why was megaupload taken down? Because it wanted to launch Megabox, selling music for very little and offering some for free, while giving artists 90% of earnings for free music as well, so no extra money for music industry. UMG also tried to block their legally owned/paid AD - MegaSong recorded by artists themself.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by chronomatic

You think that was hilarious? Then you have to see this video from the early 90's about copying floppy disks.

Link: -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI-

Ha ha, that's quite funny ... & a little corny.

IDK where all of this anti-piracy witch hunting will end up, I wonder if they'll sue the makers of the Maxthon browser for having a Pirate Bay search built into it?

[Ranget]

just want to say something

Stealing is Bad !!!
Government should Stop Stealing !!!
Piracy is Stealing !!!

you are saying if Blocking the Pirate bay won't stop the problem ?
Ok then should we let go of all of the Criminals that stole something
well of course no

if it's killing the industry or not it's stealing and stealing is Bad mkay

you won't feel it's sting till you develop something and Find that it's being used widely used and you have profit of couple of legit license

when you buy a product you are supporting the maker

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Ranget

just want to say something

Stealing is Bad !!!
Government should Stop Stealing !!!
Piracy is Stealing !!!

It's very easy to polarise the debate into a moral or ethical binary argument; but nothing is that simple.

[kupo]

Originally Posted by Ranget

just want to say something

Stealing is Bad !!!
Government should Stop Stealing !!!
Piracy is Stealing !!!

you are saying if Blocking the Pirate bay won't stop the problem ?
Ok then should we let go of all of the Criminals that stole something
well of course no

if it's killing the industry or not it's stealing and stealing is Bad mkay

you won't feel it's sting till you develop something and Find that it's being used widely used and you have profit of couple of legit license

when you buy a product you are supporting the maker

Look at it this way, by blocking sites, people will be curious about that site, and will try to look for a way to enter it. And yes, blocking Pirate bay won't stop the problem, vpn, proxy, etc.. can make you easily access that site again.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

It's very easy to polarise the debate into a moral or ethical binary argument; but nothing is that simple.

Exactly, some people just can't or refuse to see the big picture. The only true ethical problem is the execs taking almost everything an artist makes, and keeping a tight leash on them so that they release the material the company wants, how the company wants it released, and when they want it released. Even when artists "play by the rules", they get screwed except for a very few elite artists/bands who've been on this merry-go-round and know better.

The rest of it all boils down to outdated and just plain bad business practice.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by dw426

Exactly, some people just can't or refuse to see the big picture.

Regardless of what many say: Ignorance isn't bliss; it's just ignorance.

Many seem to be swayed by populist & generalising arguments often promoted by the popular press about the 'piracy' issue.

Originally Posted by dw426

The only true ethical problem is the execs taking almost everything an artist makes, and keeping a tight leash on them so that they release the material the company wants, how the company wants it released, and when they want it released.

In fact, many artists have no problem with sites like Pirate Bay. The music business especially, has always suffered from parasitic middle-men. That's why Punk was originally invented ... I think.

[dw426]

I'm not so sure too many champion Pirate Bay, though some quite legendary and influential musicians shrug their shoulders about it. Many, many artists old and new are quite happy to upload songs and even full albums at times to their own websites or place them on Youtube, all for free, just to get their name out there, attract new fans, and so on.

Artists have shown themselves to be pretty creative in presenting themselves and their material to an audience. Artists are also music fans, so they should know a wee bit better what music fans want.

[mirimir]

File-sharers look to VPNs to overcome Pirate Bay ban
-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17922214

But VPNs are next

[PaulyDefran]

The comedian Loius C.K. gave away a concert album online, asking for donations if people wanted to. He made something like $3 Million. Cheap and easy is the solution to piracy. Unfortunately, the idiots in charge think every download would have been a sale. Nope, doesn't work that way. Just because someone steals it, doesn't mean they would have purchased it.

PD

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by dw426

I'm not so sure too many champion Pirate Bay ...

I bet the Sex Pistols would have done. Mind you, that could be why they were broke for most of their career.

[mirimir]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

I bet the Sex Pistols would have done. Mind you, that could be why they were broke for most of their career.

Indeed

Check out this, particularly the first review

-http://www.amazon.com/Steal-This-Book-Abbie-Hoffman/dp/156858217X

I wonder who owns the rights.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by mirimir

Indeed

Check out this, particularly the first review

-http://www.amazon.com/Steal-This-Book-Abbie-Hoffman/dp/156858217X

I wonder who owns the rights.

I don't know about the rights to his book. Although, as a whole, the Punks hated the Hippy subculture.

"It's embarrassing when you try to overthrow the government and you wind up on the Best Seller's List." ~ Abbie Hoffman, Wikipedia

Which I believe is precisely why the Punks hated the Yippies/Hippies in the first place. It's difficult to take someone seriously who proselytises about 'sticking it to the man' then becomes the man himself.

Paul Weller had a 'take' on it decades ago:

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1ct5yEuVY&ob=av2n-

Plus anyone who can start a song with the line "Sup up your beer & collect your *fags there's a row going on down in Slough" just has to be taken seriously LOL!

I wonder if Weller worries about Pirate Bay & illegal downloads of This Is The Modern World?

*British slang for cigarettes.

[Cudni]

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[Ranget]

I don't understand anything
So piratebay should be allowed not banned ?

BTW there about a gazilion other p2p Site other that Piratebay

as For VPN they coast money Pirates Like stuff Free
as For proxy the Gov and ISP still can see you Downloading stuff