Windows 8 - Looks really awsome

[Victek123]

Originally Posted by tgell

What is Wrong With Metro and Windows 8?

A pretty in depth review.

This caught me by surprise.

Edit: Does this mean you cannot install a desktop app without going through the store? If so, No Thanks.

Article

Now that I've read the whole post I have to say it's right on. No doubt not everyone will agree on every point, but over all I feel it does a good job of explaining the clash and confusion created by implementing dual UIs and what I call the "second class status" of keyboard/mouse users.

[vasa1]

Originally Posted by moontan

hahaha!

maybe replace with "disjointed".lol

I mean the correct spelling is awesome.

[moontan]

Originally Posted by vasa1

I mean the correct spelling is awesome.

i know, i was just kidding!

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by xxJackxx

They did fix Vista but the only real issues with Vista were lack of any decent drivers on release and some annoying little bugs that SP1 took care of. Windows 8 likely won't have those issues.

Yes, I agree. I was being a little ironic when I wrote 'fix'.

Originally Posted by xxJackxx

The new interface is the gripe here for those that don't like it, and there is no fixing that. "Fixes" will more likely be achieved by installing 3rd party solutions like Classic Shell or whatever companies like Stardock end up releasing for it.

That's if MS allows those kind of customisations.

Originally Posted by xxJackxx

MS is not going to backpedal at this stage.

That's for sure. It seems that they are dead-set on this hybrid OS policy.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by tgell

What is Wrong With Metro and Windows 8?

A pretty in depth review.

This caught me by surprise.

Edit: Does this mean you cannot install a desktop app without going through the store? If so, No Thanks.

Article

This synopsis from your link is very enlightening.

Wrap-Up

Windows 8 is a big risk for Microsoft to take, but it seems like an impulse action quickly made in response to another action. Metro is beautiful and has received positive reviews everywhere, but its implementation on Windows is perplexing and unpolished. It seems as though they slapped Metro on Windows just because it's Windows. They know that people will buy it, and if they dig in their heels they can make people live with it. They know that this is probably the only way they can get a foothold in the apps and tablet race.


People may say that these criticisms are unfounded because Windows 8 is still an unfinished product, but I feel at this point in development this is not an excuse. This is the Release Preview; it's supposed to be close to what they will come out with later this year.


There are many examples of great ideas at Microsoft that, due to managerial mishandling, become bad products. Clippy was originally actually helpful, but Marketing pushed Microsoft Research to make it more intrusive. Courier died because Bill Gates wanted an e-mail client. I can't help but feel as if Metro is headed the same way.


To make matters worse, Microsoft is making sure that people can't bring the Start button back, whether it be removing the resources to active countermeasures. They are also removing Aero for a more flat style. With Windows 8, Metro no longer symbolizes a new, fresh design: it symbolizes the construction of a walled garden, the erosion of user freedom, and the end of the Wild West that was once the Windows desktop. Windows was not as safe as OS X, yes, but it also allowed you to do much more: change userstyles, use a different shell, and even deleting explorer.exe. Those days are slowly disappearing.


It is understandable why Microsoft would do this: they need to maintain relevancy and make money. But they also need to learn from previous mistakes. Windows 8 might just be the new Vista: there will be a backlash (Vista), which compels people to stay on Windows 7 (XP), until Microsoft fixes those problems in Windows 9 (7). They rebuilt their house in order to invite a pyromaniac inside. ~ op cit

*My apologies for earlier attributing this link to another poster.

[Victek123]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

That's for sure. It seems that they are dead-set on this hybrid OS policy.

I think it depends on how big the backlash is. Remember how much people hated Vista and it was a very small change compared to 8. There's only one thing that will make MS backpedal and that is the loss of $$$. If it's expensive enough they will think again. I can't believe they're so stupid that they'd choose to fail instead. Then again look at IBM. It was once all about them.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Victek123

I think it depends on how big the backlash is. Remember how much people hated Vista and it was a very small change compared to 8.

I don't think that people as a whole hated Vista for what it was. The real problem with Vista was that it gained a terrible reputation for being broken & regularly un-bootable. In my country (England) Vista was highly praised on its initial release for its intuitive feel, innovation & aesthetic looks. It was mentioned in some reviews that there had been some problems Stateside, but they had been fixed (before SP1). I liked it straight away & still run it on a notebook & a large laptop. I like my Win 7 desktop machine as well, I have no plans to update any of them to Win 8.

Originally Posted by Victek123

There's only one thing that will make MS backpedal and that is the loss of $$$. If it's expensive enough they will think again.

We hope.

Originally Posted by Victek123

I can't believe they're so stupid that they'd choose to fail instead.

Honestly, looking at the Win 8 hybrid, nothing surprises me about MS any more.

Originally Posted by Victek123

Then again look at IBM. It was once all about them.

Yes, judging the market is often a matter of luck. IMO the mistake MS has made (if it is a mistake & not a not-so-hidden agenda) is to have combined both operating systems. This was possibly to save money, although I have a hard time believing that a company as wealthy as MS couldn't have afforded to develop two separate systems.

Connecting with IPv6 in Windows 8

Originally Posted by Microsoft

With World IPv6 Launch upon us, we thought it would be good to provide a look at the work in the Windows 8 Release Preview supporting IPv6. Christopher Palmer on the core networking program management team authored this post. --Steven

Read the post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...windows-8.aspx

Building a rich and extensible media platform

Originally Posted by Microsoft

Windows provides a broad set of technologies for consumers to experience video and audio and for developers to tap into these technologies through rich APIs. This post goes into depth on both of these aspects of the Windows media platform, which has been substantially improved for both desktop and Metro style apps. The landscape for media playback has changed significantly since Windows 7 was released, with an increased focus on streaming, and the desire for content owners to offer playback of their content on a broader array of devices, all while significantly reducing the battery power required for playback. With these new capabilities, which are part of both Windows 8 and Windows RT of course, we worked to provide industry-leading support for consumers and developers. This post was authored by Scott Manchester, group program manager for our Media Platform and Technologies team. –Steven

Read the post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...-platform.aspx

[DonMartin]

Sorry for not reading all 58 pages with (positive) comments on win 8.
But I don't like the style. I don't like to watch every thing in a 3 or 4 inch display.
Do you have a 32, 40, 46 or bigger Tv-set at home? Why?
Regards /Don

Originally Posted by DonMartin

I don't like to watch every thing in a 3 or 4 inch display

Then use another display. Problem solved.

[EncryptedBytes]

I haven't been too impressed with W8 at least looking at it from an enterprise setting. I can see this solution being perfect for tablets and mobiles. For notebooks and desktops I feel the metro GUI is an obstacle. I also do not enjoy the default gutted W8 desktop GUI either.

I personally feel this version will not catch on in the corporate setting due to the radical jump with the GUI. I barely can get clients to change from XP to 7; from 7 to 8 I feel half of my clients will have heart attacks.

This OS is fun to poke around in a VM however or a neat “hip” OS to give someone on a personal starter computer for college or some other endeavor. Time will tell though.

[Noob]

I feel Microsoft is kinda like Nokia, putting all their eggs in one basket.
They're betting everything that Metro GUI will be successful which i doubt will happen in the desktop environment, maybe in the tablets and AIO PC's but not the regular keyboard + mouse users.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Noob

I feel Microsoft is kinda like Nokia, putting all their eggs in one basket.
They're betting everything that Metro GUI will be successful which i doubt will happen in the desktop environment, maybe in the tablets and AIO PC's but not the regular keyboard + mouse users.

Yeah ... & look what happened to Nokia.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

Yeah ... & look what happened to Nokia.

I don't know if that was sarcasm or you truly mean it.

Activating Windows 8 contracts in your app

Originally Posted by Microsoft

One topic that we’ve demonstrated quite a bit is how apps on a Windows 8 PC can communicate with other apps and web services. At the start of Windows 8 we chose an approach where apps can be the source or destination for data you want to share—sort of like a clipboard, but with a richer interaction model and clearer semantics. When an app implements a contract, Windows 8 can provide glue between that app and any other apps on the system, and the system itself. You can see this in action when you do something simple like use the Share charm from a web page in the Metro style Internet Explorer—you can share the link via the Mail app, with someone whose contact info you've stored in the People app, and so on. You can search across apps that implement the Search contract. You can open and save files from or to any location that implements the File Open and Save Picker contracts. This innovative approach allows Windows 8 to work with any app/service pair rather than “hardcoding” a single level of support for a given app. And all of this is supported, if you choose, by your Microsoft account, which you can connect to different services, from Facebook to Twitter to LinkedIn and more. Over the course of this week, we’ll do a series of posts on the new Microsoft apps, where sharing, connecting, and integration with Windows 8 are key topics. This is a repost of a developer-focused post from our Windows 8 App Developer blog and was authored by Derek Gebhard, a program manager on our User Experience team. --Steven

Read the post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...-your-app.aspx

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Noob

I don't know if that was sarcasm or you truly mean it.

Ambiguity aside, I thought Nokia had lost a lot of money recently. I could very well be wrong about this.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

Ambiguity aside, I thought Nokia had lost a lot of money recently. I could very well be wrong about this.

Then you really meant it.
Yeah Nokia has shown very bad results in the last year or so.

I guess it happens because they bet everything on WP. IMO right now in this day and age it's all about diversification, giving consumers options and what they want, not sticking to dogmas or being prideful.
They gotta learn it the hard way. Bad move Nokia!!

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by Noob

Then you really meant it.
Yeah Nokia has shown very bad results in the last year or so.

I guess it happens because they bet everything on WP. IMO right now in this day and age it's all about diversification, giving consumers options and what they want, not sticking to dogmas or being prideful.
They gotta learn it the hard way. Bad move Nokia!!

They were going downhill before the WP move, adopting WP was to save them, which IS working, albeit slowly. They have practically made WP a Nokia OS considering all the free extras you get with Nokia WP's.

But please, don't let little facts like that get in the way of some good hatin'

[Noob]

Originally Posted by funkydude

They were going downhill before the WP move, adopting WP was to save them, which IS working, albeit slowly. They have practically made WP a Nokia OS considering all the free extras you get with Nokia WP's.

But please, don't let little facts like that get in the way of some good hatin'

Actually i really like Nokia phones, specially their low end ones. (Sub $200)
Their high end ones are quite okay but what i'm saying is that why don't they have a lineup of Androids and another one of WP, it's a lot better than only offering WP.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Noob

Then you really meant it.
Yeah Nokia has shown very bad results in the last year or so.

I guess it happens because they bet everything on WP. IMO right now in this day and age it's all about diversification, giving consumers options and what they want, not sticking to dogmas or being prideful.
They gotta learn it the hard way. Bad move Nokia!!

They can always go back to making photocopying machines anyway. I've owned a few Nokia mobile phones over the years. I switched to Sony Ericsson a few years ago. Nokia's were once easy to use & dominated the market. I just moved on.

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by Noob

Actually i really like Nokia phones, specially their low end ones. (Sub $200)
Their high end ones are quite okay but what i'm saying is that why don't they have a lineup of Androids and another one of WP, it's a lot better than only offering WP.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Android ROMs for Nokia smartphones, if you really "must have" Android. I'd personally much rather have WP or a real Linux phone like MeeGo or the rumoured Ubuntu phone. You know, efficiently coded operating systems that don't use poo-tastic Java and don't think allowing apps to automatically send text messages is a good idea.

[Noob]

Well my first ever smartphone is my current Galaxy S II, before my SGS II i had a few nokias.
2 ultra low end ones ($30) and 1 XpressMusic ($150) all of them were great and bullet proof. Currently i use them as alarms or backup phones, they are still going strong.
I still need to give WP a try but my budget is limited for these kind of toys.

Microsoft touts how corporations are already using Windows 8

Originally Posted by Neowin

The Windows 8 Release Preview has only been available for less than two weeks but Microsoft has said that a number of large businesses are already using the Release Preview build of the OS. In a new post on the official Windows Business blog, Microsoft gives three examples of how the Windows 8 Release Preview is already working in the enterprise market.

Read more: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...sing-windows-8

The People app: the complete, cloud-powered address book for Windows 8

Originally Posted by Microsoft

Managing "contacts" has been a bit of a challenge for many, especially as the number of places that contacts can be stored and the number of PCs and devices we use to access those contacts has increased. Storing contacts in the cloud for easy roaming and connectivity is a part of the solution. With Windows 8 and the new People app, we are taking cloud storage a step further by optionally connecting it to other services you already use. This brings together email contacts and contacts from your service / social accounts in one easy to access and use place that roams across your Windows 8 PCs and phone. In this post, Jeff Kunins, a group program manager on the Windows Live team, details the People app. This is the first of a series of posts on the new service-connected apps that are currently in App Preview. --Steven

Read the post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...windows-8.aspx