Freeware Sandboxie Alternative?

[Peter 123]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Sul, you cannot be serious? lol, Where you been living, under a rock?

Don't you realise and understand that just because you and I may be running the exact same Windows OS, that our systems may behave very differently, because we may have very different drivers and programs installed.

Do you understand this or you want me to explain this to you?

I think that Sully does not need your explanations because what you write is the same that Sully himself already tried to explain you, but obviously you did not understand him:

Originally Posted by Sully

Windows 7 should be the same on your machine as it is on mine. If a program works on mine, it should on yours. [...]

[...] As a developer, it is nigh on impossible to make something that will work 100% of the time on systems that can be so varied. This is especially true in the home segment, where we each install what we want. The sheer amount of variability is staggering. The development is done on an up to date OS, with very little 3rd party applications installed is my bet. And in that environment, the program works well.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by RADEON0101

1. If you show all the processes running....It uses more than 10MB. It uses a little bit more than Sandboxie (Which is one of the reasons why I switched). Memory sizes can also differ from time to time (Small or Large footprint) on any system. It isn't always going to be 10MB as you claim. The more the program does, the more the memory will fluctuate. Why should I use Bufferzone, when another program can function better for me? and yes that includes having a smaller footprint. Plus if you go back and read my other post, I said it gets a Tad bit high

2. I don't have Bufferzone Pro installed anymore, but I will tell you...It uses a few more than Sandboxie

3. I use Sandboxie, which gives ME a lot more control of what I need to do, for MY setup

4. Comodo Firewall as well as Online Armor have been known to have problems with Bufferzone....As for others (I couldn't tell ya). I don't use Windows Firewall, because I like Comodo and Online Armor (Comodo a bit more). I like having more control. But of course, I do sometimes use Windows Firewall with different setups (I change a few thing's in my setup from time to time)

5. Trust me, Bufferzone could use a lot more features, but because it is freeware...it's understandable that it doesn't

Like I said, I am basing this off the way I feel. I am expressing my views on why I don't use the product. There is no need for debate. If you like it and want to use it, by all means go right ahead.

Your posts seem somewhat guarded/defensive, there is no need for that. Like I said, these are my views and my opinions (And that is all I am basing my posts on).

Plus, if you go back to page one of this thread....Who initially pointed you to Bufferzone Pro? It was skudo12 and I.

Ok thank you for your comments.

By the way, I think BZPRO has a firewall? On the left menu, it has an option called FIREWALL.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by Sully

Could you? That would be great.

I thought that when someone made a program, they made it on a system that would be normally found for thier customers. I guess I figured your win7 and my win7 would be the same, in its default state.

If it is soley due to drivers and hardware being different, why does most others seem to work but yours doesn't?

Is it common for software not to work on your machine because you have different hardware from others? Or, will software that works on your machine not work on mine because I have different hardware and drivers than you.
I am lost now...

Sul.

Certain programs/drivers etc can impact how your W7 functions. That's why for example you regularly hear some people having problems with certain FW's or AV's etc using the exact same OS and FW or AV than others, yet others don't have the problems. Yet both are using the SAME FW or AV and same OS, so what is the difference? You tell me Sul?

Cheers.

[IceCube1010]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

No worries, and I am glad you admitted that you cannot judge a program today by how you experienced it in the past, because programs do change versions, and even if you are using the SAME version of Bufferzone pro, that doesn't mean you will experience the same problems now as back then, because the Windows OS changes files and updates, and your system may be running completely new programs/drivers now, and you may have removed programs that you were using in the past that may have conflicted with BZPRO, which can have an affect on how programs run? True or False?

This is true.
Ice

[RADEON0101]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Ok thank you for your comments.

By the way, I think BZPRO has a firewall? On the left menu, it has an option called FIREWALL.

I never used it, it seemed too basic for my tastes.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by RADEON0101

I never used it, it seemed too basic for my tastes.

RADEON0, imagine you wrote a program, and I then concluded that your program seems too basic, YET I never personally tried or tested your program to come to a properly informed conclusion for myself and my own personal needs and wants. What would you encourage me to do? You would encourage me to try your program for MYSELF and come to my OWN conclusions, right?

Many times I have heard people tell me a certain program is too basic, not good enough blah blah etc, yet when I tried it for myself I loved it and kept using it. Understand where I am coming from?

So why not try BZPRO and evaluate it for yourself and then come to conclusions. You may come to the same conclusions as now, but you never know, you may not. Would value your personal feedback though.

Cheers.

[RADEON0101]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

RADEON0, imagine you wrote a program, and I then concluded that your program seems to basic, YET I never personally tried or tested your program to come to a properly informed conclusion for myself and my own personal needs and wants. What would you encourage me to do?

Every program will not satisfy some people, because if it did...Everyone would be using the same thing. Bufferzone Pro has it's audience, because it fulfills their needs for their ways of doing thing's. Same thing goes for Sandboxie...Some find it hard, Troublesome, Some find it lacking and some find it purely amazing. It is all based off of what the user needs and if it works for them.

As for what I said about not using the firewall...

I did use the firewall for a few weeks, didn't like it...Then never used it after that. It simply did not fulfill my needs and wants

Every user will have their favorite products, and some won't. It's as simple as that

And just an end note here: I never give out opinions and or suggestions, unless I have thoroughly tested it.

[Boost]

Themozart:

You got your Bufferzone program to satify YOUR NEEDS,no need to question everyone elses' reasonings for their choices they maybe happy with.

[kjdemuth]

Mozart,
Sandboxie should be coming out of beta with version 3.69. You should try it because what was different this month might have changed tomorrow with the new version. You don't want to be ignorant on how things change each month.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by Boost

Themozart:

You got your Bufferzone program to satify YOUR NEEDS,no need to question everyone elses' reasonings for their choices they maybe happy with.

It's good to hear both camps, and why people to choose one product over another, that's how I learn and understand important issues that I may have missed or not understood or overlooked.

That's why I prefer to get feedback about BZPRO from people who have actually personally tried it and not from people who are spreading Chinese whispers.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by kjdemuth

Mozart,
Sandboxie should be coming out of beta with version 3.69. You should try it because what was different this month might have changed tomorrow with the new version. You don't want to be ignorant on how things change each month.

Exactly, and I will be. But I must confess I really like BZPRO atm.

[Kees1958]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Exactly, and I will be. But I must confess I really like BZPRO atm.

I also think it is a good easy to use program. It allows programs to install inside its sandbox and offers system wide protection (when a new program tries to execute with control on all programs or allowing signed programs), besides the application bound sandboxing.

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by Kees1958

I also think it is a good easy to use program. It allows programs to install inside its sandbox and offers system wide protection (when a new program tries to execute with control on all programs or allowing signed programs), besides the application bound sandboxing.

Yes agreed.

I really gave BufferZone PRO a work out last night, opened up 10+ IE webpages, all running videos at the same time and BufferZone PRO handled it smoothly, no problems at all The more I use BufferZone PRO the more I think this program is awesome and it seems very underrated, not sure why not many people are using it.

I also installed some programs into the BufferZone, and gives me confidence that they don't mess around with my system. Great way to test new programs and remove them from the BufferZone if needed without it leaving traces behind on my W7 registry or hard drive.

[TheMozart]

I ended up removing BZPRO because it is never going to be updated and it broke my ability to right click and send shortcut to desktop.

So I installed Sandboxie again, and to be honest, once I was told how to create SB firefox and Opera shortcuts, I am rather impressed and happy

I guess I should learn more about Sandboxie and I am actually starting to appreciate the program the more and more I play around with it. But there's so much to know and learn and very daunting and overwhelming to be honest, trying to figure out what's what and what settings is best etc.

Anyone know of a basic video which explains it all?

[IceCube1010]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

I ended up removing BZPRO because it is never going to be updated and it broke my ability to right click and send shortcut to desktop.

So I installed Sandboxie again, and to be honest, once I was told how to create SB firefox and Opera shortcuts, I am rather impressed and happy

I guess I should learn more about Sandboxie and I am actually starting to appreciate the program the more and more I play around with it. But there's so much to know and learn and very daunting and overwhelming to be honest, trying to figure out what's what and what settings is best etc.

Anyone know of a basic video which explains it all?

I actually tried to install BZ Pro the latest version and had more issues with it than the version before it. I dosen't play nice with ZA FW AV suite. My system couldn't boot and had to remove it. SBIE on the other hand is much more compatabile with other security softwares.
Ice

[kjdemuth]

WOW.
That's all.

Originally Posted by TheMozart

I ended up removing BZPRO because it is never going to be updated and it broke my ability to right click and send shortcut to desktop.

So I installed Sandboxie again, and to be honest, once I was told how to create SB firefox and Opera shortcuts, I am rather impressed and happy

I guess I should learn more about Sandboxie and I am actually starting to appreciate the program the more and more I play around with it. But there's so much to know and learn and very daunting and overwhelming to be honest, trying to figure out what's what and what settings is best etc.

Anyone know of a basic video which explains it all?

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by kjdemuth

WOW.
That's all.

No, other reasons as well, mainly because BZ isn't updated or worked on anymore, but SBIE has a large community behind it, regularly reporting issues and the author is always updating it. That's the main reason why I decided to go back to SBIE.

So I am in the process now of learning SBIE. Know of any good videos that explain it? doesn't seem to be many good indepth ones around?

[crofttk]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

... Know of any good videos that explain it? doesn't seem to be many good indepth ones around?

Nah, it's a "wasteland".

[TheMozart]

Originally Posted by crofttk

Nah, it's a "wasteland".

I find that interesting...you would think tzuk or someone else would create a SBIE video showing all features, what they do etc. Good for complete beginners too. Oh well.

[Peter 123]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

tzuk or someone else would create a SBIE video showing all features, what they do etc. Good for complete beginners too.

You just have to make a search at YouTube with "sandboxie" as keyword and you will find a number of reviews and tutorials, e.g.:

youtube.com/watch?v=qIFwD1ChxMI
youtube.com/watch?v=-_J5PzBeAf4
(2 parts)

youtube.com/watch?v=GueXMq-Vyi8
youtube.com/watch?v=2IbwhE-r8_k
youtube.com/watch?v=4XBbC81bZx4
(3 parts)

youtube.com/watch?v=fmQKWCrYxAA

youtube.com/watch?v=3t6hpOYpwVw

and a lot more

[Cudni]

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[AlexC]

Originally Posted by Sully

Could you? That would be great.

I thought that when someone made a program, they made it on a system that would be normally found for thier customers. I guess I figured your win7 and my win7 would be the same, in its default state.

If it is soley due to drivers and hardware being different, why does most others seem to work but yours doesn't?

Is it common for software not to work on your machine because you have different hardware from others? Or, will software that works on your machine not work on mine because I have different hardware and drivers than you.
I am lost now...

Sul.

Sully, you probably didn't read this thread from the start. Hardware and drivers doesn't seem to be the problem here.

Here´s the problem:

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Whenever I run Sandboxie with 10+ windows open, my Windows 7 freezes up. Never happens, only when running Sandboxie and heaps of windows open which playing videos.

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Video websites, loading 10+ windows at the same time and starting all the videos at the same time, as they all take time to load before I can watch them. SB cannot handle it obviously, and freaks out and freezes W7.

And as Tsast42 pointed:

Originally Posted by Tsast42

It doesn't sound so much like instability. You aren't really meant to run heaps of windows in Sandboxie running video players at the same time. It sounds more like you're locking up your system and seemingly intentionally too.

That's it.

Originally Posted by TheMozart

Sul, you cannot be serious? lol, Where you been living, under a rock?

Don't you realise and understand that just because you and I may be running the exact same Windows OS, that our systems may behave very differently, because we may have very different drivers and programs installed.

Do you understand this or you want me to explain this to you?

LOOOOOOLLLLLLLL

[moontan]

if you put it this way. lol

[mattbiernat]

Originally Posted by TheMozart

No, other reasons as well, mainly because BZ isn't updated or worked on anymore,

hmmm did you look at their forum?

Bufferzone 4.00 (Dec 2011)
Bufferzone 4.01 (Feb 2012)
Bufferzone 4.02 (Jun 2012)

Looks like it is being worked on.