Wilders Security Forums  

Go Back   Wilders Security Forums > Software, Hardware and General Services > sandboxing & virtualization
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old May 4th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default what virtulization software should i use ?

i need system virtulization first Goal is security

vmware / vbox / v pc ?

or anyother options ?

i dunno the Leak of vmware source code made me think again what
should it chose

also is there any tweaking i could make to any of them ??
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #2  
Old May 4th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

i think i'm going to stick to VMware

but i want to ask about VMware Exploits
is there an exploit that will bypass the whole Guest OS with its protection ?

for an instance if i used an antiexcutable will that Protect the Host from being exploited ?
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #3  
Old May 21st, 2012, 02:12 PM
bullmose bullmose is offline
Infrequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: US
Posts: 11
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

vmware is a good choice. i have seen exploits where a piece of malware attempted to infect the host computer but was blocked by CIS D+ this was a year or two ago on version 7.1.2. As for an anti-executable you will have to do a lot of config esp to just get vmware running properly.
  #4  
Old May 21st, 2012, 03:13 PM
Cutting_Edgetech's Avatar
Cutting_Edgetech Cutting_Edgetech is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Vmware, Vbox , V PC are great options if you are also going to be conducting Malware and / or software testing. Is this for a business that requires additional functionality that light virtualization can not facilitate? If security is your only concern I would go with light virtualization such as Shadow Defender, Return Virtual System, Deep Freeze, etc.. If you don't want to go that route then Citrix Desktop is another application that supports full blown virtual machines -http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/product.asp?contentID=163057&ntref=prod_cat I would say its comparable to Vmware.
__________________
Netgear Prosecure UTM25 | Online Armor | NOD 32 | Appguard | VoodooShield | Shadow Defender 1.1.0.325
  #5  
Old May 21st, 2012, 04:03 PM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

mmm i think i'm going to stick with Vmware
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #6  
Old May 21st, 2012, 04:48 PM
TheMozart's Avatar
TheMozart TheMozart is offline
Former Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,486
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranget
mmm i think i'm going to stick with Vmware

I think your mind was made up even before you created this thread.
  #7  
Old May 21st, 2012, 06:42 PM
Cutting_Edgetech's Avatar
Cutting_Edgetech Cutting_Edgetech is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

You will never know until you give the other ones a try. When it comes down to it that's the only way to really know.
__________________
Netgear Prosecure UTM25 | Online Armor | NOD 32 | Appguard | VoodooShield | Shadow Defender 1.1.0.325
  #8  
Old May 21st, 2012, 06:48 PM
Dark Shadow's Avatar
Dark Shadow Dark Shadow is offline
Massive Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 4,550
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMozart
I think your mind was made up even before you created this thread.
LOL,he was just confirming his mind
__________________
OS X 10.8.3 - 2.9 GHz Intel core i7 - 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 - 750 SATA HD - Intel HD 4000 Graphics 512 MB.
  #9  
Old May 21st, 2012, 06:48 PM
TheMozart's Avatar
TheMozart TheMozart is offline
Former Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,486
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn
LOL,he was just confirming his mind

  #10  
Old May 26th, 2012, 11:54 AM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

still didn't decide

but i don't know which is more secure ?

also what is the diffrence between

Oracle VM and Virtual Box ?
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #11  
Old May 26th, 2012, 07:08 PM
TheMozart's Avatar
TheMozart TheMozart is offline
Former Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,486
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranget
still didn't decide

but i don't know which is more secure ?

also what is the diffrence between

Oracle VM and Virtual Box ?

Im not sure which is most secure, but I have used VB in the past and it seems secure, but Im not sure sorry.
  #12  
Old May 28th, 2012, 06:08 PM
mirimir mirimir is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,524
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranget
still didn't decide

but i don't know which is more secure ?
What do you mean by "secure"? If you mean hiding VM data from hosts, none are "secure". Hosts can always see everything about VMs. So you must secure host machines.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranget
also what is the diffrence between

Oracle VM and Virtual Box ?
VirtualBox is open source. Oracle VM VirtualBox includes proprietary extensions for USB etc. Just get VirtualBox, and install the extension pack.
  #13  
Old May 30th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mirimir
What do you mean by "secure"? If you mean hiding VM data from hosts, none are "secure". Hosts can always see everything about VMs. So you must secure host machines.


VirtualBox is open source. Oracle VM VirtualBox includes proprietary extensions for USB etc. Just get VirtualBox, and install the extension pack.


i want the most secure Like Malware not leaking out from the Guest to Host

anyway virtual Box seem good and Free
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #14  
Old May 30th, 2012, 03:26 PM
noone_particular noone_particular is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,876
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Quote:
i want the most secure Like Malware not leaking out from the Guest to Host
Then you also need to secure the host system. Regardless of whether you choose VMware, VBox, or VPC, it's part of your attack surface and should be treated as exploitable. In this respect, it's no different than any other user app that can come into contact with malicious code. Limit permissions, restrict interprocess activity, etc.

Regarding the VMWare source code leak, unless there's some big, unfixed vulnerability (or something else) that they're trying to hide, it shouldn't be any big deal. The source code for VirtualBox is available for all to see. This hasn't made it any less secure.
__________________
Sitting in a bunker, here behind my wall, waiting for the worms to come.
  #15  
Old May 30th, 2012, 10:54 PM
Kyle1420's Avatar
Kyle1420 Kyle1420 is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 402
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Been using VirtualBox for a long time, very happy with it
__________________
Win 7 x64(gaming);
Sandboxie/Mbam paid
Linux Mint x64(everything else);
http://linuxmint.com/
  #16  
Old June 3rd, 2012, 02:05 PM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

i will try it on one of the Linux machines before starting it as my main VMM
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #17  
Old June 24th, 2012, 07:26 PM
KelvinW4's Avatar
KelvinW4 KelvinW4 is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 956
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

I use VirtualBox, I find it quite fast and easy to understand.
__________________
Windows Firewall-Shadow Defender-MBAM PRO (OD)
  #18  
Old June 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM
xxJackxx's Avatar
xxJackxx xxJackxx is offline
Very Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 2,531
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

VirtualBox is great for free. It does not support drag and drop between the host/guest like VMWare does though. My only current gripe about VirtualBox is that it does not run Windows 8 well as a guest.
  #19  
Old June 25th, 2012, 01:32 AM
Mrkvonic Mrkvonic is offline
Linux Systems Expert
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,420
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

If your first goal is security, virtualization is not what you want.
This kind of technology can be used for security, but that's not the primary goal.
Mrk
__________________
http://www.dedoimedo.com

All your base are belong to us

Linux Systems Expert / Systems Programmer, Linux System Administrator, LPIC-1, LPIC-2 (WIP), GSEC, CCHD, CCHA
  #20  
Old June 25th, 2012, 02:25 AM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

i don't understand you Mrkvonic
for instace i use a VM machine to do the dirty work that won't infect my system

so what do you recomend
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #21  
Old June 25th, 2012, 03:25 AM
Mrkvonic Mrkvonic is offline
Linux Systems Expert
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,420
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Virtualization was not designed for security, although it can be used that way. It was designed for other things. The choice of software is not that important really, it's the overall understanding how things correlate, how your network works, etc.
Mrk
__________________
http://www.dedoimedo.com

All your base are belong to us

Linux Systems Expert / Systems Programmer, Linux System Administrator, LPIC-1, LPIC-2 (WIP), GSEC, CCHD, CCHA
  #22  
Old June 25th, 2012, 04:35 AM
Ranget's Avatar
Ranget Ranget is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Not Really Sure :/
Posts: 832
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

thanks but i was looking for the best of
most professional users use VMware
one of them our beloved Meriadoc

vmware according to some post i read is the most identifed Virtual enviroment
by malware

anyway your first response invoked the question

what was designed for security as a main goal ?
__________________
Spyshelter Premuim + MBAM Pro +Avast Free + Hardend FireFox + Secunia Update Checker
"Uncommon sense will increase your privacy; common sense will just make you common."
"The Worst Thing in the World is To look and not be able to Help "
  #23  
Old June 25th, 2012, 07:07 AM
Mrkvonic Mrkvonic is offline
Linux Systems Expert
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,420
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Security as end user or security as researcher?
Mrk
__________________
http://www.dedoimedo.com

All your base are belong to us

Linux Systems Expert / Systems Programmer, Linux System Administrator, LPIC-1, LPIC-2 (WIP), GSEC, CCHD, CCHA
  #24  
Old June 25th, 2012, 08:54 AM
CyberMan969's Avatar
CyberMan969 CyberMan969 is offline
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 524
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

Full virtualization software (as well as snapshot solutions) are both great technologies for testing software across several reboots, allowing you to easily undo most non-malicious changes. With such software you can also undo basic infections by 'dumb' malware, but more sophisticated malware may leak to the host; so it would be best to also use additional software installed both to the VM AND the host machine.

A decent HIPS Firewall with antiexecution functions is essential (I use Comodo Internet Security with Defense+ configured for max protection). Also antivirus/antimalware protection is essential (MalwareBytes' AntiMalware plus Avast free is what I use), plus a decent light-virtualization app like Shadow Defender (which would keep most sturdy rootkits at bay).

For full protection I also use keystroke encryption software (KeyScrambler), plus Sandboxie (in order to test any suspect executables). With Sandboxie you can safely see what changes an executable would have applied to the real system if it was allowed to run outside the sandbox. If you install all that both in the real machine and in the VM, then you should be paranoidly safe regardless of which VM software you would choose to use!
__________________
I want to boldly go where no one has gone before. They just won't let me.

Last edited by CyberMan969 : June 25th, 2012 at 09:00 AM.
  #25  
Old June 26th, 2012, 01:21 PM
littleturle's Avatar
littleturle littleturle is offline
Regular Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: US
Posts: 76
Default Re: what virtulization software should i use ?

I share the same feeling. There are so many out there and it is confusing.
 

Wilders Security Forums > Software, Hardware and General Services > sandboxing & virtualization « Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2002 - 2013, Wilders Security Forums