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March 7th, 2012, 08:48 PM
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PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
I've successfully gotten Hard Disk Manager Professional 2010 to work with PEBuilder, but not the newer versions 11 and 12. I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion of how to run the software from a Windows XP PE environment. The problem that I have is when I start any backup operation the program aborts and the window disappears.
I have turned off the VSS options in the program and verified that I have the same basic settings that worked with the 2010 version. I've noticed that some scripts for smaller versions of Paragon Hard Disk Manager copy the files from the CD into a RAM disk. Does anyone know if that is now required to run the program (having write access to the program folder)? I'm still using Bart's PE Builder because I have been unable to get WinBuilder to work and there are no scripts that I can find for Paragon HDM 12 Professional. Has anyone gotten HDM 11 or 12 to work with Windows XP PE? Any suggestions will be appreciated. |
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March 8th, 2012, 06:51 AM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manger 12 Professional
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March 8th, 2012, 09:49 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Arvy has just done a script for HDM12 - it is brand new -so he might to want to fiddle with it still.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=316285 |
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March 11th, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Thanks for the replies. I'll give those scripts and plugins a try and post any information that I find. I got WinBuilder working so I can test that as well as BartPE.
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March 24th, 2012, 01:53 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
I tested the PE Builder Plugin with Paragon Hard Disk Manager 2012 Professional.
The program did not start because it couldn't find some dependencies for "hdm.dll". I added the following files to the plugin. [SourceDisksFiles] ; from system32 System32\prgiso.dll=2 System32\qtp-mt334.dll=2 System32\wnaspi32.dll=2 Now I have a similar problem as before. Instead of aborting, on an attempt to do backup, the operation completes immediately with success, but the backup archive is not complete. The backup appears to do nothing except back up the MBR to an archive ending in ".000". Here are the files that were created. arc_240312133821687.pbf 74KB arc_240312133821687.pfi 32KB arc_240312133821687_0000p.000 27KB The backup should be about 1.5GB containing an NTFS partition with Windows XP Home Edition. The plugin adds the "hotcore3.sys" driver, and that did make a difference, since the program no longer aborts. However it still doesn't perform a backup. |
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March 24th, 2012, 02:40 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
What did you use to make your pe media?
I make mine by hand and only need to include about 52mb of files for HDM12 Pro. If you are using Win7pese which is what Arvy was talking about - I suggest you use the full version ( not the small one ). Best thing is to add the paragon files in by hand. There is an option in winbuilder interface to add any files - use that and create a folder called paragon then just copy in from your hard drive installation. Paragon's program folder, nls folder, and layout.ini. You can also make an empty folder called scripts2 - otherwise paragon will create it when you run it. make sure prgiso, qtp-mt334, and wnaspi are in the paragon\program folder. You also winscard.dll and winscard.dll.mui in system32 and system32\en-us (If you are making 64 bit pe they should be in syswow64 and syswow64\en-us ) |
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March 24th, 2012, 02:56 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
I was able to solve my problem building with BartPE. I haven't tested with WinBuilder yet.
It turned out I was doing something stupid. I had set the Virtual Machine that I use for testing to have 128MB of RAM. That is too little to run the software. I changed the RAM size to 512MB and now the Paragon HDM12 and HDM11 both work. I'm not sure when the "hotcore" and "universal image mounter" drivers are required. I don't have them in my HDM11 plugin and it seems to work as well as the HDM12 plugin. Neither plugin gives me the option to use "hot processing" or "VSS". I don't really need those because I don't back up the Windows PE partition when it is booted. Thanks for all the suggestions and help. I'll try the WinBuilder plugin soon. I'm still learning about WinBuilder so that one make take me a while longer to test. The only suggestion that I have regarding plugins is that possibly the system files I mentioned have to be installed to "windows\system32". Without those, the error I got was immediately upon starting the program. It complained that it could not load "hdm.dll". Really the problem was the dependencies for "hdm.dll" since "hdm.dll" was found in the program's folder. One other general comment that I have is WinBuilder seems to take quite a lot longer to create a system. I realize that it also is quite a bit more flexible than Bart's PE Builder. WindBuilder is also being kept current, so that is a strong reason for me to start using it. |
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#8
March 24th, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Erik_FL,
Please publish your working plugin for BartPE?
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March 26th, 2012, 08:41 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
This is the PEBuilder plug-in that I am using with Windows XP. Most of this was provided by others, including Arvy who deserve the credit for solving the problems.
ParagonHDM12.inf Code:
ParagonHDM12.xml Code:
HDM12.bat Code:
DEF12.bat Code:
Here is the directory layout. ..\plugin\ParagonHDM12 Code:
The contents of the Files and System32 folders must be obtained from an installed copy of the software. I Installed the software in a virtual machine, then configured all the settings, disabled the tool-tip wizards, etc. Then I copied the files from the program's folder to the Files folder, and copied the few individual files to the system32 and drivers folders. Here are the two important settings files. ..\Files\layout.ini Code:
..\Files\program\settings.xml To avoid some extra yellow tool-tip nag windows, edit the following line in the file. Code:
So far I have been unsuccessful at running the software on Windows 7 PE even after deleting the "MiniNT" registry key. I have only gotten it to work on Windows XP PE. Last edited by Erik_FL : March 26th, 2012 at 09:10 PM. |
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March 28th, 2012, 08:32 AM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Thank You very much!
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March 28th, 2012, 08:36 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
After investigating the problem with the "MiniNT" registry key I found out why the problem is happening and came up with a better solution for the problem.
The problem is because the Paragon software ejects the CD if it is run with the "MiniNT" registry key defined. That causes a problem, since the software is being run from the CD. The solution to the problem is to add an undocumented option to every Paragon EXE file that is run. For example: launcher.exe Dont_Eject I modified my scripts to add that option to all the created shortcuts. That almost fixes the whole problem. Paragon's express launcher menu also starts "launcher.exe" without the "Dont_Eject" option. To solve that problem I edited an INI file that defines the express launcher menu. The change must be made to the "program\ExpLauncher.ini" file. Change these lines. Code:
To look like this. Code:
I added the "Params_6" line to specify the "Dont_Eject" option. Here is the updated PEBuilder script file. ParagonHDM12.inf Code:
The only change is the "Menus" section at the end. Here is the updated Nu2Menu XML file. ParagonHDM12.xml Code:
The two batch files are no longer required, and the "MiniNT" registry key no longer has to be deleted. |
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March 28th, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Ah , yes I was aware of that in the explauncher.ini - I don't bother with the express launcher in pe anyhow.
It is used as the shell in paragon built pe - but since you make your own pe - didn't realise you were using it. You could just copy the explauncher.ini from the paragon cd - it has the Dont_Eject param already in it. Quote:
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March 28th, 2012, 09:55 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
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Actually, I'm not (normally) using "explauncher". That's why I couldn't get the program to work even after copying the files from the Paragon CD. I was completely bypassing "explauncher" and the modified "explauncher.ini" file by running "launcher.exe". The only way that will work is by adding "Dont_Eject" to the shortcut that runs "launcher.exe". When the Paragon folder is modifyable, depending on which you use last, either the express launcher or the advanced launcher will come up. That is an issue that you may run into if you install PE to a hard disk. When you do that, you can't force which one comes up first. It reverts to the last one that you used. If you build your PE system using an installed copy, then whatever you use last on the installed copy will come up. |
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March 29th, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Yes, I have been including paragon products in my pe for a few years.
I have always run them from ram. Seems you only encounter the issue if running them cd. I might have a copy of what Tommy was doing years ago with his Bartpe builds - from memory it is the same as you are doing now with the minint key. I am pretty sure he posted instructions up here a couple of years back as well. |
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March 29th, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
I found it straightaway - the first mention is here
Tommy later included a bat and reg file to do it automatically. Last edited by SIW2 : March 29th, 2012 at 12:05 PM. |
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April 22nd, 2012, 12:04 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Erik FL,
I'm a noob at creating boot discs, etc. But, I am trying to get Paragon HDM 12 Suite to work with a BartPE boot disc. Can you explain to me how to do that? I read your above posts, but am just a little confused still. And I am wondering if your info above works for Paragon HDM 12 Suite, or if only for the professional version? Could you post back and maybe break it down for a noob like me, and do you think it works with the suite version (or only the professional version) of HDM 12. Thank you very much for any assistance you can offer me. |
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April 22nd, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
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Yes, but that is for Windows PE 3 (or maybe it's for Windows PE 3.1) - not BartPE. I am looking for a way to build a BartPE boot/rescue disc with having Paragon HDM 12 Suite on it. Thank you for the suggestion though. Last edited by socrates007 : April 22nd, 2012 at 02:04 PM. |
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April 22nd, 2012, 04:18 PM
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Re: PEBuilder and Hard Disk Manager 12 Professional
Erik FL,
I couldn't find the following 3 files on my system to include in the drivers folder: hotcore3.sys Uim_IM.sys UimBus.sys Where can I get these files to add to my Paragon HDM 12 Suite plugin for BartPE? Or, maybe I don't need them because my version is the "Suite" edition and not the "Professional" edition of HDM 12? Also, I found a folder called "PfmLibr" under my installed version of Paragon HDM 12 Suite. You didn't have the folder in your list for your plugin. Do I need to include that folder as well? Lastly, you said above regarding \Files\program\settings.xml "To avoid some extra yellow tool-tip nag windows, edit the following line in the file. Code: <Assistant><InitialBackupNotification>false</InitialBackupNotification><UnsavedChangesNotification>true</UnsavedChangesNotification><CommitNotification>true</CommitNo" My settings.xml file didn't have that line like yours did. Mine was similar, but here is what is in my line: <Assistant><RCDNotification>false</RCDNotification><UnsavedChangesNotification>false</UnsavedChangesNotification><CommitNotification>false</CommitNotification></Assistant> Could you tell me what to change in my settings.xml file? Thanks again for any light that you can shed on this for me. I truly appreciate it. Last edited by socrates007 : April 22nd, 2012 at 05:02 PM. |
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