Anonymous Services - Can We Get A List Going And Feedback?

[marktor]

Just a small note Ipredator may in the near future be moved off the Blacklist. They will be offering OpenVPN. From their blog: https://blog.ipredator.se/2012/02/re...g-changes.html

There are more changes coming. We have a second capacity upgrade in the queue that will happen in the next week or so. The main focus of our efforts is now to overhaul the website. We will start with some non-invasive content refresh, but at some point we need to switch to the new website engine. We will keep you posted when that time comes. Major parts of the website changes are adding more configuration and payment options. Yes, OpenVPN will come back and you will be able to pay with BitCoin in the future.

I also thought this statement shows their commitment to protecting users privacy:

A few words why it took us so long to implement the latest capacity extension. We took the time to completely overhaul our VPN server infrastructure. The machines are now booting from USB sticks straight into a RAM disk... no more hard drives, no local swap space, and of course no logs.

[PaulyDefran]

Originally Posted by happyyarou666

finally !!! where making progress here , lols

dasfox you da man ! ill pm mullvad...asap , ill see if i get presales those 4 files...

Mullvad provides those in their download for OpenVPN, no need to ask for them.

PD

[happyyarou666]

ummm...your abit late my friend , ive already cleared that up in my own thread

[themostsecurebrain]

Hi. I'm a long time reader of the forums but this is my first post. I just wanted to throw my 2cents in and say any whitelist should definitely include whether or not the VPN accepts anonymous payment as criteria. I know many VPNs don't accept prepaid credit cards.

Also, what do ppl know about HotspotShield? The free version is really fast and reliable once you block the ads either through your hosts file or adblock plus or both. I had read that they stated they don't keep logs so there would be nothing to turn over if required by law.

Also, is this thread only for software anonymizing solutions? I wanted to mention that you can get tmobile prepaid android phone and use it as a wireless hotspot $30 a month unlimited bandwidth. Last I checked you could buy with cash at the store and activate with fake info. I figure combining that with a VPN and you're much better off than using broadband or other internet connection that will be tied to a real persyn's identity.

[happyyarou666]

i suggest vpns with anonymous payment options such as ucash or paysafecard , maybe bitcoins ,thou those already arent counted as anonymous payment more like pseudo-anonymous

[marktor]

Originally Posted by themostsecurebrain

Hi. I'm a long time reader of the forums but this is my first post. I just wanted to throw my 2cents in and say any whitelist should definitely include whether or not the VPN accepts anonymous payment as criteria. I know many VPNs don't accept prepaid credit cards.

I said this before somewhere.. I still believe alot of the privacy people believe they get from anonymous payment to a VPN is really in fact a FALSE sense of added anonymity. Lets look at this example:

Lets assume you want to sign up for Mullvad VPN. You send them cash in the mail and they add it to your account. Then you login on their VPN service via your home internet connection. Well there goes any anonymity you had with your "anonymous" payment. They now know the IP you are using to access their VPN. They now know your home IP address.

So in order for an anonymous payment to be (somewhat) anonymous. You must do one of the following:

NEVER use your home internet connection with the VPN always use a wifi hotpot somewhere.

If you must use your home internet connection with the VPN then connect to the VPN through Tor. You could use something like torgate or JanusVM (Though JanusVM is not being updated)

So basically if you are going to use your home internet connection without doing the 2 things above you can either believe you have paid "anonymously" or you can just simply know your VPN and trust them that they indeed do not keep customer information when you make a payment through whatever service you use. The bottom line with a VPN is you must have TRUST. Just my opinion.. I know this is bit off topic for this thread.

[themostsecurebrain]

Originally Posted by marktor

So in order for an anonymous payment to be (somewhat) anonymous. You must do one of the following:

NEVER use your home internet connection with the VPN always use a wifi hotpot somewhere.

Exactly. Which is why I also suggested the anonymous hotspot option via prepaid tmobile android phone and $30 a month "unlimited" service (throttled at 5Gs). And for those who are in a metropcs service zone, they have truly unlimited data off android phones for $60, though I can't personally confirm that you can sign up anonymously. I believe they are just like Cricket Wireless and I know for a fact you can give them all fake creds. In fact I got locked out a cricket phone once that was setup with a fake name and when I took it into the store they asked if I was Cathy Bridges and I said no and they said ok, let's put your name on the account then. I then gave them another fake name.

Presto, and I had anonymous 3g internet from cricket unlimited for $50 a month, android smartphone. But, that was before the days of 4G, haha. If anyone knows if MetroPCS is the same way, please share.

Which brings up another question, do phone carriers keep ip logs?? I always hear about different sms retention policies and logging of calls and wiretapping and all that jazz but I never hear about privacy policies as relate to phone data. I'm wondering if they are just the same as any other ISP in that regard or...I dunno, I don't yet understand the technology so I don't know if there's anything different there.

[mirimir]

Originally Posted by marktor

So in order for an anonymous payment to be (somewhat) anonymous. You must do one of the following:

NEVER use your home internet connection with the VPN always use a wifi hotpot somewhere.

What about the cameras? In cities during summer, you can sit nearby outside. Using a notebook in your car can attract unwanted attention. So do cantennas

Originally Posted by marktor

If you must use your home internet connection with the VPN then connect to the VPN through Tor.

I like that better. Pay for the VPN with cash by mail, or LR funded by cash by mail.

[CasperFace]

Originally Posted by marktor

Lets assume you want to sign up for Mullvad VPN. You send them cash in the mail and they add it to your account. Then you login on their VPN service via your home internet connection. Well there goes any anonymity you had with your "anonymous" payment. They now know the IP you are using to access their VPN. They now know your home IP address.

True, the VPN server "knows" your real IP address, but there's a big difference between just seeing it and actually logging it. As I've mentioned before, there's no good reason for an anonymity-focused VPN provider to be keeping logs of inbound connections (external IPs) unless they are doing so maliciously... which, of course, is where the trust factor comes in.

Let's face it, there's always a calculated risk involved in putting one's trust in a 3rd party, but you can help put the odds in your favor by choosing a reputable provider... preferably one that's had a history of dealing with "issues" without rolling over on its customers (hence the whole point of this thread/topic).

Going back to the issue of a VPN server seeing your real IP address, this only becomes a problem if an adversary is responding to a real-time incident (such as a DDOS attack). In that case, it IS possible for someone with physical access to the server to start sniffing traffic on both "ends" of the tunnel in order to identify the source. In that case, using a Wi-Fi hotspot, as you mentioned (as opposed to your home connection), would certainly be justified... but for just about everything else, it's probably overkill.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by marktor

I said this before somewhere.. I still believe alot of the privacy people believe they get from anonymous payment to a VPN is really in fact a FALSE sense of added anonymity. Lets look at this example:

Lets assume you want to sign up for Mullvad VPN. You send them cash in the mail and they add it to your account. Then you login on their VPN service via your home internet connection. Well there goes any anonymity you had with your "anonymous" payment. They now know the IP you are using to access their VPN. They now know your home IP address.

So in order for an anonymous payment to be (somewhat) anonymous. You must do one of the following:

NEVER use your home internet connection with the VPN always use a wifi hotpot somewhere.

If you must use your home internet connection with the VPN then connect to the VPN through Tor. You could use something like torgate or JanusVM (Though JanusVM is not being updated)

So basically if you are going to use your home internet connection without doing the 2 things above you can either believe you have paid "anonymously" or you can just simply know your VPN and trust them that they indeed do not keep customer information when you make a payment through whatever service you use. The bottom line with a VPN is you must have TRUST. Just my opinion.. I know this is bit off topic for this thread.

Yes this is all true if they are logging, but if they aren't then no one knows any IP...

So, it just gets down to trusting when they say they aren't logging, but of course, better to be safe than sorry and route the VPN through Tor, of course this has to be through TCP...

Casper thanks for the other VPNs on the list you gave a little while back...

Ipredator can come off the Blacklist when they learn to start replying to email inquiries, acting a bit more professional...

[CasperFace]

A few more no-log VPNs to add to the list:

SecretsLine - https://secretsline.biz/

• Site based in Ukraine
• Servers in U.S., U.K., Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Malaysia, Netherlands, Russia, and Sweden (can only pick 1 server per order)
• OpenVPN - single or double-hop

SecureSystems (S-VPN) - http://www.secsys.net/

• Site based in Ukraine
• Servers in U.S., U.K., Canada, Estonia, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Poland, Russia, and Ukraine
• OpenVPN - single, double, or quadrouple-hop

V.I.P. VPN - http://vip72.com/VPN/

• Site based in Switzerland
• Servers in U.S., Germany, Latvia, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, and others.
• OpenVPN - single or double-hop

[Fly]

Does anyone have any evidence that Sweden has 'relaxed' laws regarding data-retention and such ? I can't read Swedish.

EU laws/directives and enforcement do apply ?

[EncryptedBytes]

Originally Posted by Fly

Does anyone have any evidence that Sweden has 'relaxed' laws regarding data-retention and such ? I can't read Swedish.

EU laws/directives and enforcement do apply ?

Perhaps a citizen of Sweden can clarify though as of right now the EU data retention law has not been implemented in Sweden. There is a current proposal for data retention to last one year (Original source) however I believe right now it is 6 months? source

[PaulyDefran]

Originally Posted by marktor

Lets assume you want to sign up for Mullvad VPN. You send them cash in the mail and they add it to your account. Then you login on their VPN service via your home internet connection. Well there goes any anonymity you had with your "anonymous" payment. They now know the IP you are using to access their VPN. They now know your home IP address.

I asked them about this before signing up. Going by memory, they told me it helps with anyone working backwards from them. I wish I saved the email, to get the details correct, but I didn't.

Basically, my take was, all customers are just numbers (the account number) and nothing in the payment system on their end, or a search of MC/Visa databases for Mullvad...will reveal the customer.

If you accept that they don't log (the trust thing mentioned above), then active monitoring on their end is the only thing that could point back to you. But your ISP can see that you are connecting anyway. So if you were the target, instead of Mullvad being the target, they know who your VPN provider is. The next step would be subpoenaing Mullvad...but if there are no logs, no customer data, no payment...they'd have to go active once again and look for a connection, no?

I look at this way: It doesn't hurt to pay anon. As fun as it is to discuss, all I do on the VPN is read Wilders and bunch of other boring stuff that I just don't want BigISP snooping on. If I really needed to, I'd open a second account with another provider, and only use it from a Starbuck's parking lot in a stolen car while wearing a wig and glasses

PD

Edit:

[themostsecurebrain]

Originally Posted by PaulyDefran

I look at this way: It doesn't hurt to pay anon. As fun as it is to discuss, all I do on the VPN is read Wilders and bunch of other boring stuff that I just don't want BigISP snooping on. If I really needed to, I'd open a second account with another provider, and only use it from a Starbuck's parking lot in a rented car while wearing a wig and glasses

PD

You can't be anonymous in a rented car.

[marktor]

Originally Posted by CasperFace

A few more no-log VPNs to add to the list:

SecureSystems (S-VPN) - http://www.secsys.net/

• Site based in Ukraine
• Servers in U.S., U.K., Canada, Estonia, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Poland, Russia, and Ukraine
• OpenVPN - single, double, or quadrouple-hop

Secure Systems only disables logging if you pay an extra $3 a month. Personally I think if a VPN really has users privacy as a a priority they will have logging disabled for all users. Just my opinion though. Also dont like they do not have any info on their privacy policy their site.

[caspian]

Originally Posted by mirimir

XB and iVPN have single and double. Insorg has single, double and triple.

Cryptohippie is triple, although I know you don't appreciate the limited bandwidth. I am very pleased with them though and they have great customer support. They accept cash too, last time I asked.

[firefox2008]

Just sent $84 to Mullvad in Sweden. That is a years worth of service. I sent it in an envelope with the subscription number. I like it because it runs everything through the tunnel including torrents. I also like it because if the connection is dropped I will know it because I will not be connected at all. I would hate to think I was private when in fact I really wasn't.

BTW: Privacy to me is being able to close the door when I go to the bathroom.

[happyyarou666]

i think we all like to close the door when we go to the bathroom lols xD

p.s.: mullvad isnt too shabby either , good choice, dont ask me bout the speeds thou youd be disappointed

[CasperFace]

Here's another one to add to the list:

MamakVPN

• Based in Singapore
• No Logging (only stores payment/billing info)
• OpenVPN w/1024 or 2048-bit keys & certs
• Payment via Paypal or Liberty Reserve
• Servers in US, UK, Germany, Netherlands, and Russia

Incidentally, the owner happens to be friends/business associates with the guy who runs BolehVPN, which is regarded by many of us on Wilders as one of the more reputable providers. So if you like Boleh, this one might be worth checking out also.

[bolehvpn]

Did they claim to know me? I have no affiliation to MamakVPN nor does my Co-Founder.

[CasperFace]

Originally Posted by bolehvpn

Did they claim to know me? I have no affiliation to MamakVPN nor does my Co-Founder.

Hmmm... Actually, I'm not quite sure if was the MamakVPN owner himself who made the claim, but it was mentioned by 'heterodyne' on page 2 of this thread: http://www.miricommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=45881.

Re: [WTS] VPN Service

Postby heterodyne » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:41 pm

mike88 wrote:is it as good as wad i oways heard 'BolehVPN'? :twisted:
RM10 is a great deal!



i have never tried bolehvpn so i dunno how their service is. However i do know the guy who runs bolehvpn is though, he is a friend and close family business partner.

However since the server is located in netherlands(europe), the speed might vary. I am not sure which server bolehvpn is located in however in anycase you can ask for a trial and see if there is any difference.

I assure you this is the cheapest vpn in the world you can find =-).

we will probably expand and include HK,CHINA, SG, US, TW, KR servers in the future.

Perhaps one of MamakVPN's employees / sales associates happens to know you or your staff?

[Enigm]

Every VPN-provider who claims to use 2048-bit encryption should be on the blacklist .

Control Channel: TLSv1, cipher TLSv1/SSLv3 DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, 2048 bit RSA

Is not the same as

Data Channel Encrypt: Cipher 'BF-CBC' initialized with 128 bit key

https://www.anonine.com/en/service

[bolehvpn]

Originally Posted by CasperFace

Hmmm... Actually, I'm not quite sure if was the MamakVPN owner himself who made the claim, but it was mentioned by 'heterodyne' on page 2 of this thread: http://www.miricommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=45881.


Perhaps one of MamakVPN's employees / sales associates happens to know you or your staff?

Pretty unlikely. I'm going to call them out on it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by Enigm

Every VPN-provider who claims to use 2048-bit encryption should be on the blacklist .

Is not the same as


https://www.anonine.com/en/service

Anonie's PPTP is 128 and OpenVPN 2048...

By the way, that's pretty sad if MamakVPN is claiming to know BolehVPN, only to make it look like they have some credibility...