NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret files reveal

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Dermot7, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2011
    Posts:
    9,252
  2. Reality

    Reality Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2013
    Posts:
    1,198
    Haha surprise surprise! Just finished posting about the lie of "terrorism". Excellent article.

    :thumb:
     
  3. DesuMaiden

    DesuMaiden Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Posts:
    599
    I think these surveillance don't catch many terrorists is because terrorists quickly figure out how to circumvent them. They follow the news and they have their own messages boards where they discuss how to invade detection. Using pgp encrypted emails and proxies, for example, help them invade detection.
     
  4. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
  5. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    We Need an Invasive NSA.

    The premise of this article is that an Invasive NSA will protect US Corporations from intrusive cyber attacks from foreign entities.

    -- Tom
     
  6. mattdocs12345

    mattdocs12345 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Posts:
    1,892
    Location:
    US
  7. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    4 U.S. whistleblowers just met with Edward Snowden in Russia.

    Edward Snowden Honored By Intelligence Veterans: He 'Put His Life at Risk' to 'Expose Turnkey Tyranny'.

    In the above link (just added) there is an interesting story about other accused so-called 'traitors', Benjamin Franklin notably being fired as Postmaster General for leaking some information to the British in 1773 - to which, it looks like Snowden is in very good company as far as History will determine!

    -- Tom
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2013
  8. kareldjag

    kareldjag Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2004
    Posts:
    622
    Location:
    PARIS AND ITS SUBURBS
    hi

    Alternatives networks are developped to avoid surveillance eyes...like Meshnet, Hyperboria and co.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/hacktivists-want-to-free-the-net-by-building-a-new-one-from-scratch

    http://www.techhive.com/article/259...sorship_free_alternative_to_the_internet.html

    http://www.newscientist.com/article...g-the-internet-from-scratch.html#.UgphgxYTHFI

    As for tor, another paradise that might help freedom in some countries, but also help criminal career opportunities.
    But i guess that some law enforcement Gvt agencies, the NSA in particular have already the solution against theses smell dark networks
    http://media.koreus.com/200510/toilettes7.jpg

    rgds
     
  9. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    Gen. Alexander Offers To Store Phone Metadata At A 'Neutral Site' To Alleviate Concerns About The NSA's Spying.

    -- Tom
     
  10. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
  11. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    Feds Begged Washington Post Reporter Not To Name Companies In PRISM, Because It Worried They'd Stop Cooperating.

    -- Tom
     
  12. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    Lavabit Files Opening Brief in Landmark Privacy Case.

    Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show.

    Completely private email is not legal and shouldn't be.

    How is it that completely private email is not legal, and shouldn't be?

    -- Tom
     
  13. Baserk

    Baserk Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Posts:
    1,321
    Location:
    AmstelodamUM
    Seltzer writes; If the government had come to Levison looking for communications of a kidnapper holding a child for ransom, would he have resisted in the same way? Would his resistance have generated any sympathy?
    Pretty poor, such rethorical trickery, especially if you also claim to have judicial knowledge from tv-series Law & Order. :rolleyes:

    I'd like to ask mr Seltzer that if has was charged with child obduction on day 1 and he was forced to hand over the encryption key of all the very, very private movies files, he and his partner made over the last decades and refused to do so on day 2, was found completely innocent of the child obduction on day 3 and was then prosecuted and sentenced to prison a year later for not handing over his encryption key, would he agree that the government should have such right?
    That he indeed lost all privacy when accused of such a crime?
    Just being rhetorical oc.

    -edit; And about Sensenbrenner' change of hearts, way too late imo. The 'least untruthful answer' by Clapper is likely a motto on their Ferengi deck. (Yeah, Alexander, it pretty much sucks).
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2013
  14. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2011
    Posts:
    9,252
    Just FYI, the US Navy funded initial Tor development, and the US and Swedish governments are currently the major Tor Project funders :)

    And, according to the Tor Project, governments, military and LEA all use Tor ;)
     
  15. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
    Laptops Snowden took to Hong Kong, Russia were a 'diversion'.

    -- Tom
     
  16. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  17. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2011
    Posts:
    9,252
    Privacy issues aside, isn't it more efficient to keep traffic, as much as possible, as local as possible? Or is signal-transmission delay generally a much smaller share of latency than switching, routing etc delays?
     
  18. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Posts:
    5,390
  19. PaulyDefran

    PaulyDefran Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Posts:
    1,163
    Catching terrorists increases budgets, more intrusive laws, and power. Every terrorist caught would be (and is) paraded in front of the cameras of whatever country they were in...they also have to be entered into the criminal justice system. They are too big of a "PR Win" to be "disappeared". In the US, the NSA has caught 0 (they claim 1...now :rolleyes: - but he just sent some money). Residents of other countries can surmise just how many terrorists the NSA has caught where they live. "Terrorist Myth" was the perfect label. Statistically, I'm more afraid of 1.5" long, Chinese Hornets.

    PD
     
  20. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  21. Justintime123

    Justintime123 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2013
    Posts:
    99

    NSA collects millions of e-mail address books globally


    The National Security Agency is harvesting hundreds of millions of contact lists from personal e-mail and instant messaging accounts around the world, many of them belonging to Americans, according to senior intelligence officials and top-secret documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

    The collection program, which has not been disclosed before, intercepts e-mail address books and “buddy lists” from instant messaging services as they move across global data links. Online services often transmit those contacts when a user logs on, composes a message, or synchronizes a computer or mobile device with information stored on remote servers.

    e
     
  22. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  23. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  24. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  25. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Posts:
    1,420
    Location:
    Europe
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.