VoodooShield/Cyberlock

I didn't think of them... that should do very, very, very well! Thank you for think of them!

 

No problem! I just made the same post over at TipRadar.com. I don't think it is showing yet. I believe the post has to be approved first. Hopefully it will appear soon. http://www.tipradar.com/forum/

 

Posted at DSLR. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28442784-Free-VoodooShield-for-1-year-

TH

 

Cool, thank you!

 

Cool, thank you TH!

 

This is quite funny if you think about it... All I did was thank the people of wilders, and offered them a 1 year free subscription to VS.

Then things went at least semi viral for VS.

It looks like I need to say thank you more often . I think only people from wilders will get that .

 

Has anyone here submitted software to be hosted by Bitsdujour before? I'm not sure if you have to be the person that holds the copyright of the software that's being submitted. I also do not know if they charge to host your software or not. I do not have an account with them. Has anyone already looked into this? Here's a link to submit software for promotion by them. http://www.bitsdujour.com/promotions/software-marketing-services

Also has anyone here submitted software to Cnet before to be hosted on the front page of http://download.cnet.com/windows/ or another area of cnet with a lot of exposure? Do they charge? If so then what do they normally charge?

 

The important thing that security community will know about it!

TH

 

I have to retire for the night. I will check back in the morning to see how well the word about the promotion has spread.

 

Exactly!

 

Sounds good! I am going to hang out with Molly for a while before bed.

 

Sure, go ahead. Microsoft is probably fine with most things as long as they get money or market share, why else would they allow Firewalls, AV/AM over Windows Defender, etc. I'm just very into technical correctness.

I was only talking about my understanding of UAC, you don't have to replicate everything that's there.

Who know, doubt anyone can predict what Microsoft will do these days (Windows 8 Metro, Xbox One DRM, etc.)

 

Actually, to be honest, I was quite surprised that they did not have an issue with VoodooShield for several of reasons. Mainly the UAC issue and the fact that we were very blunt about it. And the fact that VS is always on top of other windows, etc. There were a bunch of concerns we had, I do not remember all of them. Maybe they understood the direction we were going with VS and decided to give us a pass, who knows? The approval process was quite long, but we did not have to address any major issues that I thought we might have to.

There is nothing wrong with technical correctness whatsoever! I am a HUGE fan of technical correctness! It is almost a personal issue with me .

But the definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Sometimes there has to be a paradigm shift, where you just scrap everything and just start over, especially when what you are doing does not work. There is a post in the other UAC thread that I posted earlier of a computer consultant that was experiencing the exact same thing I was with viruses and UAC. He was just as frustrated with UAC as I was.

Yeah, I have no idea what MS is thinking on the items you mentioned. Not to start another conversation, but I find it odd that Windows 8.1 does not fix the things that people hate about Windows 8. I do not think they got the memo.

 

Hmmmm......I don't get it.
When in Smart mode, VS reactivates with this option turned off.
When in Always ON mode, it never gets to OFF state by itself.

So, if this option is not for OFF mode, why is it even there?
Can you describe a scenario where it kicks in?

 

The same thing....
When in Smart mode, VS reactivates when opening a browser or email client.
When in Always ON mode, it never gets to OFF state by itself.

So, if this option is not for OFF mode, why is it even there?
Can you describe a scenario where it kicks in?

Check out NVT ERP.....those 2 options are also there and VS should work like that.

 

We want this to make sense to everyone, and we want to make sure we have this right, so thank you for helping us think through this!

OFF (Training Mode)
Auto Reactivate - Disabled
Auto Deactivate - Disabled

Smart Mode
Auto Reactivate - Enabled
Auto Deactivate - Enabled

Always ON
Auto Reactivate - Enabled
Auto Deactivate - Enabled

This mainly has to do with the user left clicking on VS to turn if OFF when it is in Smart or Always ON Mode, or it it auto deactivates after 5 minutes (or whatever). I think we are not quite understanding each other, but let's work together to make sure it makes sense to everyone!

"When in Smart mode, VS reactivates with this option turned off."
I am not sure what option you mean, please let me know!

"When in Always ON mode, it never gets to OFF state by itself."
VS does deactivate after 5 minutes (or whatever)

 

In Smart Mode VS is suppose to switch to OFF (Training Mode) when the user is not using their computer. Smart Mode will then enable it's protection once the user begins to use their computer again. Smart Mode is more user friendly for less experienced or less knowledgeable users. It is expected behavior for VS to enable training mode while the user is not using their computer, and for VS to enable it's protection again once the user begins using their computer again. VS controls which mode to use depending on whether the users is performing any task that could possibly infect their computer. I guess you could say VS thinks for itself. That's why it's called smart mode.

 

I really better go to bed, but let's continue this discussion soon! We think it is right the way it is, but we want it to make sense to everyone! Thank you for you help!

 

No problem. I tried to go to sleep, but couldn't do it. My mind want shut down lol

 

hehehe, same problem here! I was wondering if you had already gone to bed and just could not sleep or what. I really am going to bed now . Good night!

 

OK...this is how I think it should work.....

VS=ALWAYS ON
"Automatically reactivate after x seconds" and "Automatically Reactivate when Returning to Web Browser or Email " options should be ignored.
There is no point in reactivating anything since it is always on/enabled.
This mode already works fine.

VS=OFF
"Automatically reactivate after x seconds" and "Automatically Reactivate when Returning to Web Browser or Email " (if checked) options should NOT be ignored.
VS should reactivate after x seconds or after launching of a browser or email client.
This increases the overall security.

VS=SMART
"Automatically reactivate after x seconds" option should be ignored.
"Automatically Reactivate when Returning to Web Browser or Email " option should NOT be ignored.
This mode already works fine.
It activates only when you open a browser/email client and is off for the rest of the time.

You should also make a checkbox for "Automatically reactivate after x seconds" option so the user could choose whether to use it or not.

So, the only "problem" is OFF mode....those two options have no effects on ALWAYS ON and SMART modes. You can enable/disable them and nothing will change.
That is why you have to make them work for OFF mode or remove them from Settings.
I prefer the first solution.....

Like I told you, check how it is done in NVT ERP and you will understand me better....

 

So here's my report:

I. In my SUA
1. I cannot start Secpol.msc with Admin rights. Pict1.
2. When I start "Services" with Admin rights it doesnot show elevation popup for this and starts without admin rights and I cannot change there anything. Pict 3.
3. I disabled VS start with windows. Anyway it starts after reboot. Pict 4.
5. I tried to uninstall VS by windows uninstaller - it refuses. Pict 5.

II. In my Admin acc.:
1. secpol.msc, Services and Killswitch starts OK.


III. Then I reboot and go to my SUA.
1. VS is not launched - as it was in the settings.
2. I.1,2 - stays the same
3. I tried to uninstall VS with "Advanced uninstaller" - it cannot. Pict 6.


I could uninstall VS in my Admin acc.
I disabled Applocker and reinstalled VS without AppLocker.
I can Kill VS with KillSwitch.

Anyways bug for UAC prompt I.1 stays

 

Hi,

Is the 1yr free license 1pc? And does it have a shelf life? I mean I can activate and use it anytime I want?

 

Idea:

It would be nice if VS recognize when a virtual environment software is starting. Virtual environment is a common practice nowadays and would be nice if VS recognize when the virtual environment is activate and prompt you to shut down VS to not whitelist what you are running in virtual env. Could save a lot of time for those who like to test software in virtual env to not make changes to their system.

 

I like this ideal also. I had a similar discussion with Daniel already, but i'm not sure how VS would detect that a Virtual Environment is being initiated considering how many different Virtualization Products are on the market today. Daniel told me that sometime in the near future he might also give an option to save the whitelist locally if I remember correctly. After he wakes back up i'm sure he can correct me if i'm wrong. If you have a good ideal on how to implement this then i'm sure he would like to hear it. I would like to hear it also. I'm especially interested in hearing the technical aspects of how VS can be made to detect a Virtual Environment being initiated by all the different Light, and full virtualization software that is on the market? Is there a simply way to detect the change being made to a Virtual Environment by all these products considering how many of them are on the market now?