Malwarebytes claim: IObit is stealing signature databases

But it's not what happened here....IOBit pulled a very large chunk of their database after the allegations (which was basically everything they stole from MBAM).......apart from a very feeble statement promising a legal document and an altered file to try and back themselves up with IOBit have gone very quiet.

Their "malware detection" challenge was suddenly closed: http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=4863 as they realised it would expose them once and for all...and all valid questions relating to the allegations are stuffed into a random thread (located here: http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?t=4799) in my guess to hide it from visiting users....after reading that whole thread I cannot see one decent answer from any IOBit staff. They ignore the questions and keep saying that its a help forum and that all the allegations must be false.

 

I have another one. It's a good one. What IF (and i don't say it happened, but you read everyday about industrial espionage), MBAM has actually paid the chinese analyst in Iobit to incorporate a part of their database to Iobit so that later they can accuse them of stealing it? That would explain easily, the extension (according to Anar) of the chunk AND the common names, plus silly detections like Hijack.DisplayProperties.

And Iobit, only *thinks* that it was an analyst's error on the 3 samples (keygen, rogue, dummy) that MBAM published?

That would explain not only the 3 samples, but also the rest of database according to Anar.

OR

What IF one of MBAM's contractors is playing double agent? Selling the same samples to both of them and with the same names?

OR

What IF MBAM paid a contractor of Iobit to include their database, so to setup Iobit from a source that they would never suspect?

That's why earlier i gave a 10% for Iobit telling the truth. Thinking about it, i 'd raise it to 15%. I might come up with some better ones later.

 

Maybe it's not about 'justice'.

What is justice ? A legal verdict, proven in a court of law ? >>>> snip <<<<

Or is the issue that IObit has been caught with MBAM's database and been shamed into withdrawing MBAM's work from its own products justice ? There is plenty of evidence, both from MBAM and IObit to form an opinion. I think people are entitled to that information.

 

In Scotland a jury can reach a "guilty, not proven" verdict. That is perhaps the most appropriate decision at this stage. The circumstantial evidence is strong, but it is not proof.

 

Well let us all install Iobit and use their product. Let us all support Iobit. I mean after all they haven't been proven guilty in a court of law right? So we need to just ignore the evidence and actions taken by Iobit. We should ignore our instincts. Shame on MBAM for revealing this to us. They should have dragged this through the legal process for about 5 years spending lots of money and time and energy into it. Then and only then if Iobit is proven guilty should we be informed about this whole issue. Come on give me a break.

 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Malwarebytes-Accuses-IObit-Plays-Dead-126389.shtml

Well, they sure don't try to help their "public battle" over there in Iobit...

 

It's quite interesting how the mob mentality is here - I am curious to see who the next victim is! Do you guys have a secret handshake or anything?

( just kidding )

It really is interesting that anytime anyone, including myself, brings up the potential that IOBit may not be the direct theives that MalwareBytes has accused them of publicly, you all revolt - is it not possible people can be wrong?

No matter what now, IOBit will never recover from this and MalwareBytes as forced out a competitor who received higher reviews.

 

It is even more curious this obsession of yours with MBAM coming to get you next. I hope you don't see nightmares about that.

Do you have a dart board with Marcin Kleczynski's face in your office? (just kidding).

I think that it is interesting, that you, a fellow American of Klezinsky, instead of worrying more about the possibility that your fellow MBAM (which you care for and you 'd be ready to help into uncovering this act) did fall victim of chinese reverse engineering and that you could be next, instead, all you do is to try to come up with all kind of possible theories and advice about "how i 'd do it", which always involve MBAM setting up someone and worrying that actually MBAM will get you too instead of the Chinese!

How normal is that?

If you were Iobit, wouldn't you sue by the way? (Cause you 've told us all about on what you 'd do if you were MBAM. Why don't you tell us what you 'd do if you were Iobit? Would you reply to Softpedia "i 've other things to do", cleanup your database and go on?.

 

The mob is growing... Softpedia, Download.com, Major Geeks, Bill Pitlovany, Alex Eckelberry, hphosts, etc.

All these are the part of the "mob", because apparently they see more probable that MBAM is telling the truth...


You have a US small vendor, which under US law if lying risks total destruction making a claim. The majority of people around, after hearing the Iobit version, tend to think that the US vendor is telling the truth.

The other side is also chinese, which makes him more fortunate under his country laws as far as severity goes and has even links to live porn in his domain. It is also well known that the issue of copyright infringement there is rampant, exactly because the laws are loose or not applied in practice.

Then, you have another American vendor, who all that he can think of , is ways that MBAM has set up the chinese to make them fall into a trap, in order to gain pubblicity and worries that he can be next.

I know i am not objective, but i find all this weird. If i were another American vendor, i 'd be less prone to propose so many theories that only presume MBAM seting up someone and instead i would think first "What if the chinese did that and they get me after MBAM too?!".




But that's just me.

 

See, typical mob - you are turning this into American vs China. At no point did I say, nor indicate, I was for IOBit or am anti-american - that's how this stuff starts - I won't tolerate that at all. I am an American, and also respect those from other countries. If someone stole from me, it would not matter to me what country they were from and I won't stand beside someone just because they are from America if they are in the wrong. Are you going to start taking a race pole now as well so you can further the mob mentality?

As for the comments above regarding Marcin, why would I have a picture of a fellow businessperson as a dart board? You keep trying to turn this into "us vs them" - it's not. I have always had polite communication with Marcin and other members of the team and will continue to do so - I respect them as a busines in the global internet world.

The points I have been bringing up are not related to who IOBit is or who MBAM is - it is an observation of how the "situation" was handled and how if a non-guilty person was on the receiving end how their lives would be destroyed - for some reason, some of you can't seem to grasp that is all and keep trying to turn this into a "us vs them" situation.

I guess it's pointless to try to get anyone to look at the situation vs the parties involved. It's all based upon opinion - you can't back down on your initial stance now - I get it.

 

Hi Nick,
To answer your question, yes sure, folks at MBAM could be wrong.
I guess it would require a sort of 'man-in-the-middle' scenario where MBAM and IOBit would have been duped.
MBAM seeing it's intellectual property stolen (and blaming the wrong person/entity) and IOBit unknowingly tarnishing it's own reputation (by acquiring stolen data).

But don't you think that MBAM would have taken such a scenario into account before placing IOBit publicly on a scaffold.
And that they have excluded that scenario from all (likely) options considered?
What would be the point for MBAM to go public (like they did) if they didn't feel very, very sure about their accusations?
Being an American company they can be sued into oblivion by IOBit if they were found to be mistaken.

Still, I can appreciate your POV, that a mere accusation on the internets can be enough to completely destroy someones reputation and therefore one must be able to discuss the needed level of restraint.
Also, taking part in the discussion in this thread requires courage because you can easily be accused of trying to profit from all this.

(Are you by any chance the man-in-the-middle perhaps, like with a 'Spectre Kink So'-nickname? j/k of course )

 

Bravo! Bravo! Great performance. After the evocation of Witch hunt, the mob, now we have "anti-american" and "racism". All very colourful and sentimental. Throwing the race thing was a very nice touch.

I am not turning that at all in USA vs China. I am using FACTS, in a chain, which explain while the majority of people end up in the "mob" and not in your "absolution" or "MBAM is seting up" mob. Amongst these FACTs, is also the FACT that US law will come up on you heavily if you are destroying a reputation, while chinese law isn't exactly pursuing copyright like mad. It is also a FACT, that reverse engineering is much more widespread in China than in USA.

The above, ADDED to the way the 2 companies presented their thesis, is what makes more plausible the one version over the other. I tell you that, so that you can stop asking yourself in vain "Why is the wrong mob winning and not mine!".

Why would i have a secret handshake with "them" (them is MBAM?). We were joking, remember?

I keep trying to turn this? It's you that came in with the "pubblicity stunt theory" and keep repeating that they took down a better product than themselves and that you worry you may be the next on the list! +

If you don't believe me, go to the poll section and start a poll : " I am Nick, after reading this thread, do you think that i like MBAM"?

See the results on your own. Or do you want me to start it? No, because either I am trying to make you appear having an issue with MBAM or it's you that really gives that impression.

Yes, it's all based on opinion. Opinion unfortunately, is something you can't take away from any thinking person. Be it right or be it wrong, that's how it is. If you don't like the opinion others form about you and you want to show them they 're wrong, you go to court, because the law is not an opinion. (well, technically it is, because a judge interprets a law and 2 judges can give 2 different judgments, but as far as public opinion goes, you are covered).


P.S: I am proud to be in the same mob mentality with Bill Pitlovany, a man of the software world that i admire for his moral integrity.

 

Iobit has had every opportunity to dispute the accusation(s). Unfortunately all they've succeeded in doing thus far is digging a deeper hole by not addressing this issue in a professional manner.

Nick, you've made your opinion quite clear in this thread. Simply because you have a different POV on the way MBAM has handled this issue doesn't make you right and everyone else "the mob". Maybe you should take a step back and look at all of the other industry professionals you are throwing under the bus. IMO you're probably a little irked that SAS has taken a back seat to MBAM not only on the malware removal forums but all of the popular download sites. Sad but true....

 

You see, Nick doesn't get that. He is simply on the other "mob" that cries "MBAM set up the Chinese, they did it for publicity and to bring down a better product".

And he is under the impression, that his position, is different than those who say that MBAM's story is probably more plausible.

He thinks that the others are a "stone Iobit" mob, while he isn't in the "Free Iobit , stone MBAM" mob.

Unless it ends to court, all one can say , is which sounds more probable. OBVIOUSLY, either it's one or the other. You pick you mob.

He also thinks, that somehow, MBAM accusing on the internet a competitor isn't morally right, but he proposing all the time theories of MBAM setting traps for publicity stunts and fears of being the next victim, is morally right. He also thinks that this doesn't affect his own profile in the way others perceive his position.

DON'T mention that! Don't try to turn this into USAvsChina, white vs yellow, patriotism, etc. It's purely irrelevant!


Anyway, good night Nick.

 

Have I read different posts from Nick than the onces you are reffering?

Panagiotis

 

Are you guys all STILL beating this " dead " horse ? ? FFS

17 pages and it doesn't consern 99.9% of you.It's between malwarebytes and IOBIT, and I agree that malwarebytes should have kept this quiet until it was cast in stone and has proceeded to some type of court, which they still don't even know that !

 

I don't know what you 've read, but it's possible we have understood different things.

If the mods allow me, i will be glad to set up a poll , so that we can see what the majority understood.

Or, even better, you, as a 3rd party , would you like to have the honour of starting it?

This way we can settle who understood what, correct?

 

From my understanding is that Nick simple said that similar things should not be handled as this one did.
And about the "mob" (do not know what mob means) but I guess he is reffering to the way some here attack everyone who has a deferent view and "labeling" him as defender of Iobit,etc.

Panagiotis

 

Nick S,

Your suggestion that MBAM could possibly of spiked their malware upload channel with all the files required to create all the stolen signatures seems very extremely unfeasable through shear schematic's

I read somewhere it was nearing 100,000 signatures that were copy and pasted from their database.

How long would it take to upload that volume of files...the mind boggles and did their same*new* guy that blindly added them by ironically the same type of signature as MBAM used for them ever sleep during his legendary performance with a debugger...what a talent the guy must be a machine

Sound plausible to you ?

BTW it cant be ruled out that ET or Richard Nixon gave the guy a hand doing all that work but in the balance of probability they did'nt