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Originally Posted by littlebits

Second, MBAM did have some good evidence against IOBit but now since they went public with this evidence, that gave IObit a chance to destroy it. Now all they have is images which can be manipulated with about any imaging software. I really doubt these images would stand up in a court of law.

There are 2 considerations here:

1) You assume that MBAM has the economic means to open a legal dispute in chinese courts, even more in a period of global economic crisis.

2) You assume that since MBAM went public, Iobit got the chance to destroy the evidence. Pray tell, what would impede Iobit from destroying the evidence just in the same way (renaming or removing detections), as soon as the legal paper of the lawsuit arrived to their offices? You DO know that it takes MONTHS or even years to try a lawsuit of civil nature, don't you? Or do you think that before they even know there is a lawsuit, the People's Army of China will raid their offices, arrest them and seize all assets?

Third, shame on MBAM for making this issue a online soap opera. That was very unprofessional of them.
If they were smart, they would have kept quite about this issue, contacted their attorneys and taking legal actions without involving all of these unnecessary online battles. If IObit was indeed guilty, then they should have to pay a license fee to MBAM and other vendor's also. They should also give credits to any vendor's database used.

- Maybe making public the issue is the only REALISTIC way of getting back to Iobit. (See above for explanations).

- Your argument about legal battles, can work both ways you know. If Iobit is being slandered and practically destroyed (because a security company is effectively destroyed once its reputation takes such a blow) , why doesn't SHE make lawsuit against MBAM? You didn't think of that, did you?

Forth, it can believe how everyone on the web just takes MBAM's word and judges IObit with a guilty plea.

People on the web aren't judges to give a plea. But they are persons, and as such, can form an opinion on who is more likely to be telling the truth. After all, the people of the web, are also the target audience of the 2 products.

Is there anyone impeding Iobit to counter MBAM's claims? No. Iobit actually replied. Then it all goes down to how each evaluates the 2 claims.

Does it cross your mind that "everyone on the web" is against Iobit, because ... after hearing the 2 stories, the one of MBAM is much more convincing? What do you expect for people to do? Just sit on their asses, switch off their brain and say "Oh well, i will only wait for this to go to court. If it doesn't , it never happened"?

Do you know how many real law infringements occur everyday and don't end up in courts either because it's too costly or next to impossible? That's especially true for electronic products or people who can't afford to start a legal battle, specially when the target is abroads and subject to foreign laws. MBAM's lawyes in particular, if MBAM has a fixed law service, are good to nothing against Iobit, because they don't know chinese law, which given the huge copyright infringement occuring in China (they sell in shops pirated boxed (!) Windows for 5$) , must be pretty loose. They 'd have to go to China and hire some local Chinese lawyers, specialists on copyright infringement and then open battle against Iobit, which as yourself said, would have all the time to destroy the evidence from her own database. Because as i said, you don't expect to file a lawsuit and get a trial the next day or next week do you?

So far none of us really know how they got those fake detections into their database. That gives us reasonable doubt. Most of us here know that you just can't trust the word of one side, remember how MBAM went a made false accusations about other sites that tested or reviewed their product??

You 're right. We DON'T know how these detections went there. IObit knows:

http://blog.iobit.com/archives/95.html


Then all you have to do, is think whether that explanation is enough for you or not. My opinion about that, is that even if Iobit's (improbable) explanation is true, there is STILL a very serious issue, where they practically add to their definitions any file, without controlling it and with the name you sent it to them.

Other reasonable doubts, IObit 360 was becoming more popular than MBAM, many online testing sites gave IObit 360 better reviews. The detection rate was much better on IObit 360. This did cause a conflict of interest since IOBit 360 was becoming MBAM main competitor. Why did MBAM go public and allow IObit a chance to destroy the evidence?? Maybe because they knew that the evidence would be enough to use in a court of law?? or maybe since they knew IObit was located in China, they really couldn't do much legally?? maybe they were the ones that used the online submitter to frame IObit??
Who really knows for sure??

- Whether the detection rate of Iobit was better than MBAM's or whether sites were giving better reviews to Iobit, is something i haven't researched enough, but specially on the 1st one i wouldn't bet anything about it. And it tells nothing to me. Even if it's true, by stealing the MBAM's defs and adding their own, it's quite probable that eventually they surpass MBAM... There's nothing weird about that. One company spends her time researching her own malware, the other takes the database of the other company and adds her own malware, probably the latter in the long run will prevail... But you know, at least currently, between a product with better detection but which resident scanner doesn't work and another with worse detection which resident's scanner actually works, i 'd choose the latter. Although i won't be buying MBAM anytime soon since i 've won a SAS Pro license some time ago and i have yet to use it.

On the opposing side, I have mentioned many times how similar the detection between MBAM and IObit 360. Since I run a computer shop, I have used many free malware removal tools. The malware found by both products had the exact same malware name. Most anti-malware products will have different names for the same exact malware and the description would also be a little different. That is what made me suspicious.

The SPECIFIC issues raised by MBAM go beyond a casual name coincidence. Both the non malware flagged as "Don't steal our Software" and the "fake malware" detections which don't exist in the wild and were put in the MBAM database just for trap.

So these are my views in the situation, maybe the truth will come out soon.
Until then, I'm not going to pre-judge IObit.
I love their SmartDefrag, Advanced SystemCare and 360 Security and will not affect my choice to use their software for now.

Also remember this issue doesn't affect the quality of IObit's software, but if they are proven to infringe upon other vendor's work, then it will hurt their reputation and then I would change my mind about using any products that infringed upon other vendor's work.

You know what's the problem with software? It's so hard to effectively prove in court that you are right. Because as you said, it's so easy to cover your tracks in this case and it's also very costly and time consuming to start legal battle to the other end of the world and specially in China...

Then, all you can do, is make public your story and let the consumers decide if they want to buy the one or the other.

All of this online media news is hurting both sides. If anything it is creating more interest for IObit's products. Almost everyone knows about MBAM, now they also know about IObit.

Thanks. :smile:

I think all of this online media is hurting only one side, that is Iobit. And if anything, it scares people away from Iobit's products, because when it comes to security software, the last thing you want is to have a security company that steals others to make their money. If i am prone to believe that Iobit did steal MBAM's database to make money, what will stop me from believing that Iobit is capable of stealing my own data for making money (example my email addresses?).

Also, for those people who use site advisors or internet reviews, this hurts Iobit only too. Because as you pointed, all the web is against Iobit. So if you read an Iobit review with these accusations and you also visit WOT and see the rating going down the drain, who's hurt? MBAM or Iobit? I 'd say Iobit.

MBAM on the other hand is gaining sympathy and if you visit various fora, including this one, it gains even new customers.

I am sure that if Iobit comes up with a better explanation, the web will turn in her favour. I mean, it's not that "all the web" are MBAM's users or MBAM shareholders and are endorsing on purpose the MBAM conspiracy, is it? They endorse it because it sounds much more credible than Iobit's position, who also shot herself on the foot by rushing to delete and ban members from her forum. When you do that, even if you 're telling the truth, you sure help appear guilty as sin.

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