Windows 10 Anniversary Update

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  1. roger_m

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    I'll give that a try next time.
     
  2. Brian K

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    Paul,

    Create a backup image of your Entire Drive before doing this.

    Boot your UFD for the install as it's faster than a DVD. If you are offered two choices for the UFD in the Boot Menu, choose the UEFI one.
    In the Language to install you will only have one choice. That's OK.
    In the Time and currency format, make your pick.
    In the Keyboard or input method I choose US. (not United States-International)

    Then click Install Now
    Click I don't have a product key
    Choose Custom: Install Windows only (advanced)
    Delete all partitions on Drive 0 if you haven't already done so
    Choose Drive 0 Unallocated Space
    Next
    Message about partition creation (maybe, maybe not)
    Easy from now

    Edit... Disconnect your external HD prior to the Win10 install.
     
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  3. Banzi

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    I would imagine that the ISO created by media creation tool & the ISO you can download will be pretty much the same other than different languages. I might try it again with the downloadable ISO at some point but the previous build works & upgrades are deferred.
     
  4. Brian K

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    The ISOs are different in that the MCT one is based on install.esd and the ISO download is based on install.wim.
     
  5. Krusty

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    Brian, please excuse my ignorance but what's the difference?
     
  6. Brian K

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    I was simply pointing out that the ISOs contain different files. install.esd and install.wim are the largest files in the ISOs. In the Sources folder.
     
  7. Krusty

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    I wasn't being smart, just curious of the difference. I didn't know if there is any advantage one over the other.
     
  8. Phant0m

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    ESD suppose to replace WIM.

    You can export ESD to WIM using Windows DISM utility.

    ESD is short for Electronic Software Delivery, Windows 10 new deliver system. WIM is short for Windows Imaging. The

    ESD contains install.wim, encrypted and compressed.

    This is basically the difference.
     
  9. Krusty

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    :thumb: Thank you, Phant0m.
     
  10. Phant0m

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    I didn't mention the ratio number, wasn't exactly sure. I thought I've read Microsoft page that it was 32%, but the constant on the web says 30%. 30% smaller ESD is to WIM.
     
  11. paulderdash

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    Thanks for the feedback.
    Thanks Brian - I will give this a go after I have exhausted all other options.

    One question re 'Delete all partitions on Drive 0': Will I be given that option in the process? 'if you haven't already done so' ... how would one do that manually?
     
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    Thanks @Phant0m. Done the clean boot, disabling wi-fi (printer), USB drive and bluetooth mouse. Keyboard = laptop. But will try disabling some drivers as you suggest, to see if I can isolate the cause.
     
  13. Brian K

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    On the Where to Install window is a Delete button, at the bottom. Select a partition and click Delete. Do it again until all partitions are gone. There should be 5 partitions to delete.
     
  14. Kev914

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    When you download the ISO image for Windows 10 Anniversary Update from the link provided above, you have to pick the version? that you want. There were three choices: Windows 10, Windows 10 N and Windows 10 Single Language. Which one do you select? Also, does it download to you hard drive? Or does it have you download it to a DVD or a USB stick?

    I already installed the Anniversary update on both of my Dell xps 8700 desktops. The install seemed to go OK. I used the first PC for about an hour and then I went to shut it down. I was surprised to see there was already an update. I chose Update and Shut down. Then I went to the other machine. I installed the Anniversary update on it. That seemed to go OK too. I used the PC for a couple of hours and then shut down. Next morning I used the second PC again without issues for about 3 hours and then I tried to open a program but it quit responding. Tried again. Still got stuck. Then I decided to reboot to see if it would fix the program. And as I should have guessed, Microsoft had pushed out an update. I guess the update required a reboot, but they never tell you that they have installed anything (until after the fact) and they never tell you to reboot. The PC went through the usual install activities, rebooted a couple of times. Had the spinning dots for long while and then the cave picture came up. I clicked on the cave picture and got the log in. I started to enter my password and it froze after the first letter. held for a few seconds and then the system restarted. Then the process repeated 4 or 5 times and then it went to a black screen where it said it was Starting automatic recovery. Then immediately it went to a pale blue screen that said that WRkrn.sys was either missing or corrupt and that I needed a disk or a system administrator. I couldn't remember if I had created a recovery disk or not, so I ran to the other PC and started it up so that I could create a recovery disk. But I'll be darned if the exact same thing happened to that machine. Only difference between the machines was that the second machine would let me log in and open firefox but as soon as I typed a letter if froze and then restarted. And after 4 or 5 repeats, I ended up at the same pale blue screen.

    I didn't realize at first that WRkrn.sys is a Webroot file That is my antivirus. If Webroot is the problem, there is no way I could have known to shut it down during the install, because Microsoft pushed it out without me even knowing. Or else maybe the Anniversary update had issues that didn't show up while I was using it.

    Maybe when the login screen came up, it wasn't done and I should have tried to enter my password. But how was I suppose to know that I needed to wait and for how long? Till there was no drive activity?

    I called Microsoft and they wanted me to press F8 and start in Safe mode. I am sure they wanted me to roll back my system. I read about that workaround, later. After a while, they had me use the Media Creation tool to create a ISO image. I used a USB stick. Then they sent me to a webpage and told me it would tell me how to use it. Actually all the webpage told me was how to use the Media creation tool to create a USB image. When I booted from the USB stick, I got a screen that said that it appeared that I was in the middle of an upgrade. It said I should click YES to go back and finish the upgrade. But all that did was take me back to the pale blue screen about WRkrn.sys. If I chose NO, it said I would keep my files but lose my apps. I saw there was a recovery option at the bottom of the screen. I selected it and did a boot repair. Still got the same error. Tried to restore to an earlier place. On one machine it failed, on the other it succeeded, but I still got the same pale blue screen no matter what I did.

    I was tempted to try a clean boot, but I hated to have to reinstall everything. And I have some programs that you have to deactivate before you can reinstall them. So I finally tried restoring from a Macrium backup. That worked and I am backup and running on both machines, and wondering with dread when Microsoft is going to try to update me again.

    Any advice or suggestions?

    Thanks.
     
  15. Krusty

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    I downloaded Windows 10.

    Yes, it downloads to your hard drive. You can then either create installation media on a USB flash drive or a DVD.
     
  16. Krusty

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    Can anyone tell me why I can't enable Secure Boot in the BIOS of my HP laptop? It is using UEFI but the Secure Boot option is disabled and greyed out so I can't access it. I've disabled the Legacy Boot mode. It has the latest firmware from HP and my machine isn't supported by HP on Windows 10 anyway. It runs it just fine though.

    I guess I'll just have to live with it.
     
  17. Phant0m

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    I think there's a little trick to it.

    Check to see if you have ' Secure Boot Configuration ' under Security in the Menu.

    If you do, select and enter it.

    F10 to accept.

    Then see if Secure Boot is configurable now.
     
  18. guest

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    Sometimes, the BIOS see the change of OS and then disable it; especially ASUS does that, i updated the BIOS but since im using Win10 and not Win8 (shipped OS) the new BIOS removed secureboot...
     
  19. Phant0m

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    My next suggestion would be to visit; Start Menu > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Advanced Startup: ' Restart now '. When the PC reboots, go to Troubleshoot > Advanced Options:, look for UEFI Firmware Settings. If you do then look for Secure Boot setting in there also.
     
  20. Krusty

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    Nope. The only thing under Security was passwords.
    Yeah, that could be it. This machine came with Win7 SP1.
    I might try that later. I'm not too concerned really, just curious why I couldn't access the Secure Boot option.

    Cheers.
     
  21. WildByDesign

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    @Krusty13 My BIOS has the option to manually selection individual EFI-related files under the Secure Boot section. These files are selected from the BIOS within C:\EFI\ and are updated when you install Windows 10. Was your original system UEFI as well?
     
  22. Krusty

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    No, my machine was using the Legacy boot mode on Win7. I searched C for Secure Boot and nothing was found, and this is a different drive to what came with it new.
     
  23. WildByDesign

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    @Krusty13 You might have to find a modified BIOS for your system. It could be that the manufacturer has disabled it purposely for that system since it was a Windows 7 machine initially. You could try looking over at the MDL forums and seeing if anyone there has shared a modded BIOS that matches yours. There are always risks with that, of course.
     
  24. Robin A.

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    In some firmwares there is a separate setting to enable Secure Boot (and other "optimized" functions). That is, you can boot in UEFI mode with Secure Boot enabled or disabled, and Secure Boot is not automatically enabled when you disable CSM.

    In Lenovo firmwares, Secure Boot is enabled when the option "OS Optimized Defaults" is enabled. In Dell firmwares there is a similar setting.
     
  25. Krusty

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    Yeah, that's a risk I'm not comfortable taking.
    There is a setting to enable Secure Boot but as I mentioned, it is greyed out and not accessible.
     
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