Win10 official ISO available

Btw.. I'm a systems builder so I want have to pay retail price. I have not been building many custom PC's lately though.

 

Ok, I was not aware of that. I have not even used Windows 10 yet.

 

are you a msdn subscriber?

 

the normal ent version has basically all the collection the pro version has

 

I'm not sure. Does it mostly send out information about product updates. I think I am, but I don't use the email address I used to subscribe very often.

 

you have to pay yearly for it

 

No need to subscribe. There are links available for downloading iso files already. Don't know if I may posts them in here.

 

i was speaking of him having msdn to have a ent lic key not for the iso

 

Haha yes, they've created a lot of ambiguity where it didn't seem necessary - but it had been in various articles over the months, written more clearly than that.

I'm not sure what to make of "for the supported lifetime of the device" though. I can only assume it means whatever Microsoft want it to mean further down the line.

 

are you speaking of the lifetime of win 10?

 

That's the exact phrasing Microsoft uses when asked how long the licence covers a single computer when accepting the free upgrade offer, and they've been declining repeated attempts from journalists to clarify that position - presumably because they don't know themselves how long they intend the licence to last.

We know it's longer than a year, but some tech writers lately have been suggesting a mere 2-4 years - something I'd prefer to hear from a definitive source.

My speculation: Microsoft will see how well the uptake of Windows 10 has been and then assess how monopolistic they can afford to be. If uptake is poor, then they can hardly afford to strong-arm people like they have in the past. If uptake is good, then they'll know they have us again and can be more pushy.

 

if you happen to have to change the mobo your legit copy goes south. the system id changes and it will not activate. this was directly told to me by someone at ms. unless you then have a retail copy to call and have reactivated. otherwise i was told the "life of the os". they plan on much faster future upgrades so life of the os is yet to be determined

 

It's one of those things we'll have to wait and see. Every couple of months I check to see if there's a definitive answer, and there still isn't as far as I can tell.
The "life of the OS" ought to be a long time considering they're calling it the final version of Windows.

 

I read, but I'm not sure to exactly understand: if I upgrade 7 to 10, then I can rollback to 7 when I want ? or I have - as I read some days ago in the web - only a month to downgrade ? And another question: after upgraded to 10, can I restore a disk image of 7 when I want, also in six months ?

 

Already been answered in this thread. You retain the original licence to use Windows 7, and can return the PC to Windows 7 any way you wish.

The only issue with the "30 days to downgrade" is a technical one: Windows Update will delete the files necessary to downgrade the PC after 30 days. But seriously, what knowledgeable user would rely on this mechanism anyway?

 

correct but after 30 days you will have to reinstall a fresh clean copy of windows 7.

 

heh...officially it's only the pro version you can downgrade:

cf. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

 

I feel like this is something I've already said.

 

I believe you're confusing situations here. That just refers to business customers having the rights to downgrade to an earlier version of Windows, e.g. a Windows 8.1 Pro user can downgrade to Windows 7 Pro, as long as it's within the support life of Windows 7. My business laptop could downgrade to Vista Business (but why would I want to?).

See here: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

Just to be clear: everyone who gets a "free upgrade" to Windows 10 retains their original licence, and can always go back. I don't know why this is a difficult concept to get across.

 

I don't either but Microsoft seems to have difficulty communicating what's what. Microsoft having to continuously update/amend announcements quantifies this.

Except that this statement ignores context: this is the retail EULA, nothing to do with business users and it doesn't specify business users/environments. If what you're saying is true, the EULA fails to communicate this as it wouldn't be a complete document.

 

Forgive me for showing my frustration at having to repeat myself Substitute "business" with "Pro" users if you like, but that's the target audience.

Downgrade Rights is something Microsoft has allowed for Pro users for some time for successive versions of Windows. The EULA you referenced simply states that if someone has a Windows 10 Pro licence, then they have downgrade rights to Windows 7 Pro and Windows 8.1 Pro. That's all it means, so don't be distracted by it.

 

If I have to read into a document to get its meaning, it is ineffectively written. Besides, this is the retail EULA, not business/academic/enterprise/volume EULA, which is a different document.

One may wonder if Microsoft's code is written in similar fashion.

I never said anything otherwise. This leaves Home edition users not able to downgrade according to the EULA they agree to. If they can, then the EULA is incomplete; hence, Microsoft having difficulty conveying its rules and policies rather than users failing to understand them.

 

While I agree that Microsoft could have explained certain concepts better, I think in this case you're just needlessly getting distracted by the term "Downgrade Rights'. They've always meant what they've meant, and have nothing to do with users retaining their licence to the original version of Windows they own.

 

I got 'needlessly distracted' by the Microsoft EULA (that seems to have changed) that said:

and the Microsoft Moderator who said:
cf. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...pgrading/5d236771-5cf8-422f-972d-ec37c2d97297

Since the Win7/8 license is 'consumed', I would have no Win7/8 license and would need downlevel rights in my new license to run Win7/8. Following this, Microsoft announced that we'll have 30 days to downgrade if we don't like Win10...not specifying they meant "rollback" vs. clean install.

With the prospect of having a dead black box because of key confusion, activation confusion and issues, and tech support no doubt being swamped (and frequently ineffective), and having to prove myself not a pirate to Microsoft in the past, I am definitely getting 'distracted' by vernacular.

 

RJK3 thank you for your answer, but this is the reason for I'm not really sure:

My second question is: if after installed 10 I delet it and I restored a previous 8 licensed ) image of 7 it simply will work ?