Macrium Reflect

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Stigg, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. bgoodman4

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    How long does your snapshot creation take Pete. I have daily snaps set and the time to create is all over the map. I have had 2 gig snaps take over 40 min and 2 gig snaps take as little as 4 min. I find this hard to fathom. Fast restore is nice but if the snap is going to take a long time,,,,and it appears there is no way to tell in advance,,,,its not much of a benefit.


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  2. TheRollbackFrog

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    BG, sorry I haven't been able to get back to you on this but looking at those logs, there's something serious going on INSIDE of that machine. Just look at your I/O performance... it's more or less exactly the same between the above 2-runs but the elapsed time is a factor of 10x. You just can't do that unless the task is locked out of the system for extensive periods of time.

    See your PM...
     
  3. Peter2150

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    Hi Froggie

    Remember I am imaging a 129gb data set on a 1tb partition. Also I am imaging to a 2nd internal drive.

    My times for a new full image are consistently about 14.5 minutes. My incrementals/differentials today with new version have all been 1:09 minutes. I am not seeing that type of variation.

    Also my c: drive is a WD HDD mbr drive.

    Pete

    PS. The snap times have been consistent with V6
     
  4. TheRollbackFrog

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    My snap times have always been consistent... that's why I suggested something unusual is going on inside that laptop.
     
  5. Peter2150

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    2nd test

    Took an incremental and did a major uninstall. Then 2nd image.

    Restored 1st image, all well. Did same with 2nd.

    Since this included major changes I expect some time difference. Both images took 1:27 to take and :33 to restore.

    Oh and chkdsk was fine on both
     
  6. khanyash

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    Any info on Macrium Free 6?

    I am planning to create an image of my system.

    Should I wait for free version 6 or go with free 5?
     
  7. TheRollbackFrog

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    Yesnoo, if you're gonna just do a FULL image of your system there's really no reason to wait. MRv6 can handle v5 images just fine. No one really knows when/if FREE MRv6 will be available.
     
  8. khanyash

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    This is the first time I am going to create an image of my system.
    I have single drive partitioned into C & E, E is my data & I am planning to keep my all my data on the system as well on the external HDD.
    So should I image only C partition?
     
  9. TheRollbackFrog

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    Sure... that's what I do.
     
  10. khanyash

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    So when I will restore an image, E partition will not get affected?

    And my system drive C is 35GB full out of 150GB.
    How much app time will it take to create an image & resore an image?

    Is Macrium the best?

    I want to shrink my C drive & extend my E drive, how can it be done safely?
    My system is Win 7 64
     
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  11. TheRollbackFrog

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    When doing the restore, you will be asked to select the image to restore. When you do it will show you what partitions are in the image. You then select a target disk and DRAG the partition in your image on top of your TARGET partition... that sets it up.
    That depends on the hardware in use. My 40gB System partition will FULL image and verify in about 13-14 minutes. The restoration will be a little over half of that.
    Because of what I use it for (lots of restorations to snapshots <incremental images>), if you ask me I will say yes. With its new Rapid Data Restore technology, it is both an excellent imaging solution (as it has always been) as well as a very good snapshot solution.
    I use a FREE BOOTable tool from MiniTool called PARTITION WIZARD... it resizes partitions effortlessly... but you always need to be careful when using partitioning tools.

    Windows itself (if using W7 and up), using Disk Management can SHRINK your system volume for you...
     
  12. bgoodman4

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    Thanks for the PM Mr Frog, much appreciated. I guess I will have to live with these time discrepancies since I have no idea how to figure out whats going on.
     
  13. khanyash

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    What if image is on external HDD?
    Restoration process will show external HDD?
     
  14. TheRollbackFrog

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    If the Macrium Recovery Media was produced on the system you wish to manage, it should be no problem at all. Any necessary special drivers for the system in use will be included on the Recovery Media.
     
  15. khanyash

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    You mean if an image is on ext HDD then I will have to make recovery media & recovery media can be made from Macrium GUI?
    So recovery media should be on seperate USB or can be on the same ext HDD?

    And recovery media is required for restoration i.e whether image is on system or ext HDD?

    And my system drive is 35GB full out of 150GB. So image will be of the same size or app how small/big?

    And does free space also affects image size & create/restore time/speed?
    In my case 115GB free space.
     
  16. puff-m-d

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  17. taotoo

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    Hourly backups with a 2 month old synthetic baseline. Restores used to take 2 minutes, now take 4 and a half.

    Just looked at the disk, and the baseline is in 6350 fragments.

    So - would unticking the Synthetic option solve the fragmentation (and hopefully slow restore time) problem? I think it might if unticking the box means that the 2nd backup in the chain is 'new' and not just the baseline recycled.

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  18. Raza0007

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    People here are talking about Macrium images as "taking snapshots of their data". Has Macrium introduced snapshot based imaging in version 6 or are you people just using this term to refer to the process of image creation?

    I ask this because the last time I used a snapshot based backup software, namely Rollback RX, back in 2009-2010, I had NTFS corruptions on my drive and had to run chkdsk multiple times a week to correct the problem. This was one of the reasons I switched to sector based imaging solutions like Macrium because they do not have such issues. However, reading the NTFS file system corruptions issues in v6 of Macrium, makes me wonder how this new RDR is implemented in Macrium. Is it something similar to Rollback Rx?
     
  19. Raza0007

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    Why don't you just use a disk defragmentor to remove the fragments from the stored images?

    Also, the longer you make the chain i.e. a full backup with attached incrementals, the longer it will take to restore, as Macrium has to go through each increment in the chain back to the baseline full backup to discover the changes and do a proper restore. Personally, I do not allow allow one set (full backup + increments) to go beyond seven days.
     
  20. Raza0007

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    Hello,

    The recovery media has nothing to do with where the actual image files are stored or where Macrium is installed. Once you boot through the recovery media, it will give you the option to browse to the folder where your backups are located. They can be on a local drive, an external drive, a network drive, usb flash drive or even a dvd drive.

    By default Macrium will only backup the data portion of your drive unless you specifically tell it to backup free space as well. So, the backup size, time to backup and restore depends on the data on your drive, not your free space.
     
  21. TheRollbackFrog

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    Raza007, it's NOTHING like Rollback RX. As of v6, Macrium is doing a DIFFERENCE restore (upon request) rather than a full image restore like before. The difference between where you are and where youy're headed is much smaller in size that a full image plus applied incrementals. The process is so much faster than before that folks are now referring to it as snapshot creation (it's just incrementals) but the restoration is so quick it's approaching Rollback speeds.

    Not to worry...
     
  22. khanyash

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    So recovery media is a needed thing for restore operation, right?
    Should I create WinPE or Linux? And version 5 I have previously checked the GUI & there were quite a few versions of WinPE, default selected is recommended?
    And if WinPE selected, I remember Macrium downloads something, is that huge in size? I am on limited plan so asking.
    Do Linux recovery too needs to download something by Macrium.
    And can recovery media be created on the same external HDD where the image is?

    Sorry if anything sound stupid.
    I am not an expert & just wants to know things properly before proceeding to be safe.
     
  23. Brian K

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    You can create a Macrium USB flash drive and then clone the UFD partition to your external HD and set the partition Active. The Macrium recovery environment will boot from the external HD. You can boot in either UEFI or MBR mode.
     
  24. Raza0007

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    Well thats good to hear. So, why are there NTFS file system corruption reports with v6? In a sector imaging based software there should not be any inconsistencies in the file system on restore. Perhaps they still need to iron out all the glitches from their new RDR.

    Thank you for the response.

    By the way, did I read in this thread that v6 can not see or restore images created by v5? Is this true?
     
  25. Raza0007

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    An external recovery media is needed in case your HDD fails or PC cannot boot up. So, it is advisable to make a usb flash drive or a CD/DVD recovery media.

    If your PC can boot into windows then you do not need a external recovery media. Macrium gives you an option where the recovery media is installed on your root partition, usually C: drive. So, when you need to do a restore, you select the option to boot from the recovery media from inside Macrium and Macrium reboots your PC and boots into the recovery media.

    A third option, which I personally use, is to copy the recovery media in a location of your choice, I use my D: drive, and then use a third party tool like EasyBCD to boot into the recovery media.

    A WinPE recovery media is recommended for Windows users. Macrium will need to download WAIK/WDK files, but you only need to do this once. Linux does not need any download and is included within the software.

    The choice of which WinPE recovery media to use is up to the user. It is recommended to use the one recommended by Macrium for your OS. I am on Win 7, so I use the WinPE 3.1.

    And, I saw one of your other posts here, where you asked whether you need to wait for v6 free or not. As I see, the only new things in v6 are the RDR and the new scheduling and retention policies. Other than that it is the same as v5. So you can start using v5 free.
     
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