360 Internet Security: FREE Triple antivirus engine, BitDefender included

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by PaulBB, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. clocks

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    Load of BS. Maybe you have not read/understood what people are saying. The companies actions are totally unrelated to being free. No one is attacking free panda, free bitdefender, or free avast.
     
  2. clocks

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    Just wondering, have you read the ToS?
     
  3. tk55

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    seriously, some of you can't see that he's just been sarcastico_O
     
  4. Frank the Perv

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    China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look exactly like Apple's login page. (Update: A recent Apple statement has apparently confirmed the attack, announcing an "intermittent organized network attacks" without mentioning China specifically. The company has also changed iCloud.com's IP address, effectively circumventing the attack.)

    If you're using Firefox or Chrome, you'll land on a warning page like the one above, but if you're using Qihoo, the most popular browser in China, you'll be routed straight to the dummy site with no indication that it's not being run by Apple. A similar attack is also being leveled against Microsoft's Login.live.com, the company's gateway for all account logins.

    INSTEAD OF ICLOUD, USERS WERE DIRECTED TO A DUMMY SITE

    Because the attack is taking place at the level of the Great Firewall, it seems likely that this is an attack by Chinese authorities meant to harvest usernames and passwords. Great Fire also provided traceroutes and a wirecapture to verify the attacks. If a user logs into the dummy site, it will give the attackers complete access to the user's account, including any photos, text messages or emails stored in the cloud.

    What I say to this..... prove it. Ok, so fine, Qihoo redirected traffic to a scam website that appeared to be the legitimate site. As far as I'm concerned, this could have been a complete accident. Until somebody can PROVE it, I think there is nothing wrong here.

    And ok, this put people in a position where all usernames, passwords and and all data could be stolen.

    What I say to this is -- PROVE it. Just because the redirect exposed all user account login credentials and all user everything.... does not mean that Qihoo actually stole anything.

    People and their crazy ideas...

    Maybe Qihoo just has a few bad friends and it's all their fault.

    Or maybe this can all be explained by Qihoo, but they are so busy protecting their customers -- that they have not yet had time to explain it.


    Your Pal & Qihoo Defender,

    -Frank
     
  5. roger_m

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    No, I install hundreds of programs a year without reading even a single ToS, maybe I should start to.
     
  6. clocks

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    Just saying, it may help you understand how free programs make money from us.
     
  7. aztony

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    Don't take this as my coming to the defense of Qihoo. But Mozilla and Google are not Chinese companies, although it is possible they do business in China, and may have a presence there. That said, 5 will get you 10 that Qihoo, even if they wanted to act in the best interest of their domestic market/customers, cannot thwart the will of the Chinese gov't with impunity, and expect to remain a dominant player there, or possibly to survive.
     
  8. Frank the Perv

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    Yeah, good points... all.


    Yeah, I like reading what you say about products. Not many burn through as many as you, so not many can compare the way you can.


    Agreed. Ultimately, we should all try to work with venerable companies I think... sometimes that is difficult. It's hard to know sometimes if your shirt was made with forced child labor. It's hard to know if a product you purchased contributed to the destruction of the Amazon. But we should all try a little probably..


    腾讯电脑管家 seems to win in court against Qihoo every time. I wonder if they will be the clean Chinese AV? I hope so. China produces many great things. Hopefully not only a good.... but a clean AV will be one of them. Since 腾讯电脑管家 scored best in that recent test, I took an interest. I'm hoping they are clean or getting clean and can push the competition. I fully understand that Chinese AVs have a tough dog eat dog world they operate in... and government operations can complicate things (just like other places).
     
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  10. coolcfan

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    No. Qihoo and Tencent are same players.

    My opinion: with your standard, all the big vendors are dirty; but they are very possible to be different outside the country.
     
  11. Frank the Perv

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    Ok, glad I made your day. And I gave you more..

    My intent was IN NO WAY meant to kill this thread. I just wanted to raise awareness.

    People will choose to use Dirty Qihoo.... and that's the way it is. You helped them with the product. You dedicated your time and effort.

    I for one appreciate it. And maybe Qihoo going forward will clean up.

    So c'mon back and do what you did very well.


    Your Pal,

    Frank
     
  12. carbonize

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    People seem to forget that nearly every other company that provides a free AV also sells a fully fledged security suite and that is how they make their money. It's the companies who only offer a free anti virus program with no purchasable upgrade that I worry about. There are always exceptions. Comodo offers a paid for security suite but I still wouldn't trust them.
     
  13. Pat MacKnife

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    +1 carbonize,
    also I stopped using 360 ..... concerns about privacy drives me nuts.
     
  14. GakunGak

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    I see that what I wrote before does not matter to anyone :) So, in order to settle this thing, I hope once and for all, I have taken up upon myself to conduct independent investigation, with no outside interference or pressure, to verify all claims presented here.
    Due to time constriction, I calculate I should finish by the end of this weekend.
    To everyone concerned: Even if you uninstall the app, quarantine still remains and you can restore stuff after reinstall. If you uninstall due to privacy concern, either do nothing, or just uninstall until I present my report here.

    When I do, that will be my final word on this matter, and would continue to assist any way I can.

    Until then, I will monitor this thread for updates.

    P.S. To those that think I would make favorable report to Qihoo, I won't, I will only provide my own research and my personal view. That means I won't ask anyone anything, but do my own thing. I hope that should satisfy anyone.
    P.S. I do this in my spare time for free.
    P.S.2. I wonder why........
    P.S.3. I should bring someone from Q and do this instead of me, like they do on malwaretips........
    P.S.4. I'm gonna lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!
     
  15. Solarlynx

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    Thank you. I'm anticipating.
     
  16. clocks

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    So do I. Is odd you feel the need to always jump to the campanys defense. It seemed a few months back you were in a agreement they were redirecting Apple traffic to a fake site, but choose to gloss over it as if it's no big deal.
     
  17. Solarlynx

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    Actually no one is obliged to keep his opinions the same.
     
  18. coolcfan

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    Remember to try some older chinese versions.
     
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  20. PaulBB

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    Yeah, and some versions from 1987, along with Napster, Kazaa Media Desktop and eDonkey. Upps, and I forgot the Shadow BitTorrent client and DustBuster XP, or the Matrix Screensaver. What's the point in testing old software? Seriously it seems that you are you looking for a needle in haystack.

    Again, this looks more and more like a paid defamation campaign against Qihoo 360 Security Software, moderators should be aware and stop this.

    @ carbonize
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thre...efender-included.348585/page-106#post-2474549

    Yes, it seems that the ''free'' price is the problem here.
     
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  21. aztony

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    Maybe you should try to see it from another perspective. Instead of it being a Paid issue, think of Trust issue. Qihoo's activities in their domestic market doesn't exactly inspire trust. And although there has been been no smoking gun to date, that I know of, with regard to their international offering(s), who can guarantee that there won't be? Can you? A security program is a thing the user must trust implicitly. Not only the product, but the company behind the product. I don't think that there are many here who would disagree that 360 av (the international version) is a very good av solution. The caveat for a lot of current and potential users is uncertainty about the company. History tends to repeat itself to the unwary.
     
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  22. GakunGak

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    I will look into both international AND chinese products. My viewpoint and finding will be neutral, neither pro nor con.
    If there is something sinister going on, I will first let people here know about it, from my side and perspective, and most probably change back to Comodo.
    I'm curious as to what Melih is cooking in this latest beta.....
    I hope I won't dissapoint.
    I don't see the logic in it, but if I have the time, I shall try.
    Many thanks, will pass the word right away!
     
  23. coolcfan

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    I want you guys to see all the things that caused the bad reputation. The older versions are full of those things. Or, if you think testing older versions doesn't make sense, check my replies in this thread, and BELIEVE THEM -- because they are well known in China. And I'm here to tell you that Qihoo, as well as other two or three major AV vendors, are all rogue in China.

    By the way, I'm not here to support anything about privacy that Frank and others said. My point of view is that they are rogue, because they use unclean ways to go into users' computers and refuse to go away.

    You shouldn't question a native Chinese for his hate on Qihoo.
     
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  24. Frank the Perv

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    So, Qihoo has lost many cases in the Chinese courts over and over and over again. At the district court level, at the appellate court level, and amazingly, at the Chinese Supreme Court level. All this is documented in links supplied. The Chinese courts represent the Chinese people. And you are asserting a defamation campaign? So you believe the Chinese courts all the way to the Chinese Supreme Court are incompetent or part of a global conspiracy against Qihoo?

    ~ Removed Reported OT Remarks ~


    Your Pal,

    -Frank
     
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  25. GakunGak

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    I'm at work, so I can't search for that message.
    Regarding TSE, someone sent me some tips and here's the answer:
    Regarding mailpack#1:
    Just to keep you guys in the loop.

    When I post reply for #1, I will take orders for #2, so be creative :)
     
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