Sandboxie Acquired by Invincea

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  1. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    Yes it is, but it is with Firefox. I've just not bothered with Drop my rights, as everything is protected by Appguard, and ERP
     
  2. bo elam

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    Then, be happy. Your computer is different than mine, that's probably why you don't see that message. I think that is something that happens in some XP only. This thing started during the early version 4 betas. When the first betas came out, I couldn't even run Word or Excel as a Forced program. There were problems using Office under version 4. When Tzuk was done fixing to make Office work in XP under version 4, that was the only issue remaining for me. So, for me, its no big deal.:)

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  3. bo elam

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    If it only happens for you with Firefox, then you could use Drop Rights in any of your other sandboxes, if you wish. Thats what I do, I don't use Drop Rights for Word but I use it running most everything else.

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  4. Peter2150

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    Hi Bo

    If I am not mistaken, you rely almost 100% on Sandboxie. I don't so the Drop my Rights feature is almost a so what feature for me. I used to use that utility Drop my Rights, but even stopped with that.

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  5. bo elam

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    @mantra, perhaps this is what you saw.:)
    http://forums.sandboxie.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=104173#p104066

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  6. Compu KTed

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    It seems you and Bo have same issue only with different apps if understanding correctly. Have used Firefox, Pale Moon and for short time SeaMonkey browser. All browsers I recall had Drop Rights enabled in Sandboxie. No
    language issues to report.

    I don't use beta versions of Sandboxie even though I've heard they usually are fairly stable. If I use any beta software it's for testing purposes only and on temporary short-term basis.
     
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    I used to hold that opinion and with Sandboxie 3.x versions I did not need to change it. But lately for example Chrome and Firefox updates have been causing Sandboxie not functioning with one or the other properly or at all, so the only solution has been to use the betas. Or else surf without SBIE protection.
     
  8. bo elam

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    Don't think of it as an issue, I don't. If you only knew how hard it was for Tzuk to get Office working under Sandboxie version 4 in XP, you probably feel as I do. It was a lot of work and effort that he put into it.

    When version 4 came out, for a while, I thought that I was not going to be able to Force any of my Office programs in XP and then one day he came up with the fix. It was not a total 100% fix but it works pretty good the way it ended up. I really appreciate what he did. No one else was complaining or posting about Office in XP not working under Sandboxie, it was only me. So I felt like he fixed it for me.:)

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  9. bo elam

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    .....not a good idea.

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  10. Compu KTed

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    Due to the Rapid release cycle of these browsers was a bad idea IMO. It can also be a problem
    for add-on developers as well. Microsoft itself has had it's share of problems with update patches.

    There is no "one app fits all" solution when it comes to keeping oneself as secure as possible.
    Sandboxie has worked well for me, but I don't rely 100% on it for my security/privacy needs.
     
  11. Compu KTed

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    If the only problem your having is Drop Rights (MS Office) then did you try running MS Office Word sandboxed in
    a LUA in XP? ( Note: In this case Drop Rights would not be checked in Sandboxie)
     
  12. bo elam

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    Key, I run as Administrator. I wouldn't change that for nothing. Not using Drop Rights in one program and in only one computer its OK.:)

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  13. Compu KTed

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    Probably the main reason for running as non-admin is to limit your exposure. LUA is not "bulletproof"
    but why not use what the OS gives you? This goes way beyond these apps (MS Word & Drop Rights in Sandboxie)
    Were talking about an unpatched XP OS. (not supported by MS security updates anymore)

    You can use Admin account for those tasks and LUA for your general day to day use.

    http://technicallyeasy.net/2014/03/protect-computer-92-microsoft-vulnerabilities-one-simple-change

    Why you should not run your computer as an administrator

    http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...us/windows_security_whynot_admin.mspx?pf=true

    Running Windows XP as a Non-Admin

    http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles/31609.aspx
     
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    Exactly. I also set policy to require ctrl-alt-del to escalate, so that gives you the secure desktop password entry. Why not? It's another hurdle for the malware, and trivial to operate. Also makes me engage brain a little bit before saying OK.
     
  16. Peter2150

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    On the drop rights thing.

    1. The Firefox problem has nothing to do with SBIE, it is strictly Firefox. I tried two other things that do the same thing and Firefox broke with each one.

    2. While I would agree running at lower rights is a good idea, it presents me with two problems. First, it would be a major hassle to set up as I only run with one account, and secondly I have a program that both myself, and one other person who works on one of my machines a real issue, as it requires admin rights to run. Just easier to run as admin and protect it as I've done. NO issues this way.
     
  17. Compu KTed

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    My misunderstanding. Thought when you enabled Drop Rights in Sandboxie and running Firefox sandboxed you were having language problems as indicated in post #996

    Well anyway I used one account also. I changed that years ago for security reasons and won't go back to running just an admin account. Your situation is different than mine.

    Also I find Sandboxie works just fine for me in all accounts whether it be an admin or restricted. I just prefer restricted most of the time.
     
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    As I said turns out nothing to do with sandboxie. I see the same thing running without sandboxie, but using other things to drop the rights.
     
  19. bo elam

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    Compu KTed, since we have been talking about Word, Excel, version 4, Drop Rights, etc, I thought it would be nice to remembrance Tzuks incredible work by posting the thread where I reported problems forcing Word and Excel and the thread in which Tzuk posted the fix. This fix, fixed many problems that are unrelated to Office. And it was an important step in making version 4 work as good as it does now.:)
    http://forums.sandboxie.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15558&hili

    http://forums.sandboxie.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15899

    Bo
     
  20. Compu KTed

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    @bo elam

    Tzuk did a fine job with Sandboxie and now being continued on with Invincea.
    I'm running a newer version of Microsoft Office according to your Sandboxie forum post.
    As you can see from the Screenshots MS Word runs fine with these settings. No issues to report.

    Drop Rights.JPG Forced Programs.JPG Word Running.JPG
     
  21. deBoetie

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    I'm also running Office - 2010 - this way, including Outlook. No significant issues.

    I think it will be important for Invincea to address the Office 365/AppV thing, my understanding is that Freespace does handle it OK, so they potentially know the issues.
     
  22. FleischmannTV

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    The issue with Office 365 is the Anomymous Logon and from my point of view this compatibility issue is more important than making Chrome work in Sandboxie.
     
  23. Peter2150

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    It will be interesting if they do. From what I am guessing from their websites, they would appear to be approaching it as Freespace is the business app, and Sandboxie is the home app. Time will tell

    Pete
     
  24. deBoetie

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    I've been doing a little (and frustrating) dig for information/comparison without doing a Freespace eval. From what I can tell, Freespace has built-in boxes for common applications AND does detection/notification. But it doesn't seem to handle the non-supported apps as easily as Sandboxie, it does not provide the vital (for me) file restrictions other than by type, nor is the licencing sufficiently friendly for SOHO migration. Rather obviously, the ideal scenario is to have the best of Freespace and Sandboxie merged into one product, then have various licences for different purposes for the single product.

    I believe they're working on something due early next year, but have no good basis for saying that!
     
  25. Peter2150

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    Time will tell. I've beaten SBIE to death over the years, and since it works well for office 2010 I am happy.
     
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