BOClean (and maybe TrojanHunter) questions

[SecurityFan]

I want to buy an anti-trojan for my sister’s machine. She has Windows ME, Norton anti-virus, CounterSpy, and Zone-Alarm’s paid-version firewall. I’m not as PC-literate as many others on this forum, so please bear with me. I have the following questions:

1. If I get her BOClean, I can install it on my XP PC also. I already have TrojanHunter. Would this provide increased protection for my PC? Or would they conflict with each other during normal operations? Or would they compete with, or hamper, each other if a trojan actually intruded?

2. Is TrojanHunter better than BOClean or vice versa at real-time protection for her PC? My guess is they’re comparable? I’m leaning to BOClean for her because of its light drain on resources. Also, I’m thinking only of real-time memory scanning and don’t care that TrojanHunter is way better at file scanning. I just want something to kill trojans that load into memory. I think Norton AV may be a little light in this department.

3. I’ve heard there was an issue with the latest version of Zone Alarms and BOClean conflicting in some way. Has this been fixed by now?

4. I’ve heard every time you boot, BOClean runs thru a scan that takes a while to complete. Many times I’m rebooting for some install, after a crash (her ME is unstable), etc. and don’t want to wait for a scan. Is there a way to bypass the BOClean scan that takes place at start-up? I’d want it to run most times but be able to bypass it at other times.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Art

[muf]

I have BOClean on my WinMe machine(1ghz 512mb ram) and it runs no problems. A friend of mine has Win98SE. He also runs Norton AV 2005, Zonealarm free version 5 and Spybots teatimer. This is a comparible setup to your sisters and he has no problems running BOClean.

1. I would not run TH and BOClean together. They could trip each other up. As to one being better than the other, well i have both. I've tried them both real time and for me i'm happier with BOClean. I use TH for on-demand scans only. This is only my choice because BOClean's real time monitor is more stable on my machine than TH's Guard.

2. As stated, i leaned to BOClean because of better stability. I also found it lighter on resource use.

3. I heard that too. I believe Kevin(Mr BOClean) has either fixed it or has a special build version of BOClean that remedies it.

4. BOClean doesn't run a 'scan' as such on startup. All it does is performs a quick check of the memory for running nasties. Take seconds. Literally.

BOClean does not have a scanner for scanning your whole system. It is resident protection only and monitors your systems memory for active nasties.

Hope this helps. If you have any further question's or wish to clarify point number 3 then e-mail kevin at support@nsclean.com

muf

[poster2000]

From reading this and other forums, I noticed that Trojan Hunter doesn't do well against malware other than trojans, but Boclean does, so for that reason alone, I would go with Boclean, even if it doesn't have a manual scan available. I would spend my money on Boclean or Ewido, if I felt I needed extra trojan/malware protection.

[tuatara]

Forget Boclean , but choose A2 (squared) Personal, or Ewido
or ProcessGuard or ShadowUser.

I am a licensed user of all the above, and have never found a thing with
Boclean, because my Anti Virus would find more.

A2 and Ewido are a better and newer generation of antimalware.

Boclean, only detects Trojans when they are executed AND NOT detected
by your AntiVirus and in it's list.
So that means that you could have a Trojan on your system,
and without knowing,mail it to others, if you don't have this Trojan executed/started.

Please search this forum before you buy, because there is NO TRIAL!

[Brandon]

BOClean has caught some trojans for me, that my antivirus missed in realtime ;). BOClean is an extra program that I am glad I purchased :)

Regards,

Brandon

[controler]

SecurityFan could always install KIS 2006 beta also, good till jan 5th 2006

That's three months a free protection. If his sister doesn't like the firewall just dissable it and use another like Look & Stop.

controler

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Forget Boclean , but choose A2 (squared) Personal, or Ewido
or ProcessGuard or ShadowUser.

I am a licensed user of all the above, and have never found a thing with
Boclean, because my Anti Virus would find more.

A2 and Ewido are a better and newer generation of antimalware.

Boclean, only detects Trojans when they are executed AND NOT detected
by your AntiVirus and in it's list.
So that means that you could have a Trojan on your system,
and without knowing,mail it to others, if you don't have this Trojan executed/started.

Please search this forum before you buy, because there is NO TRIAL!" }-
BOClean will allow single file scanning ,so you can check a file before you email it. If the trojan got on your system in the first place that means it bypassed all the programs you have a licence for including your AV so it's highly likely you could email it to someone. Also your antivirus program is supposed to find more than your AT as your AV is the firstline of defence and your AT second line. As for A2 and Ewido being better against the newer generation of malware, that is subjective opinion. BOClean has no trial this is where you are correct. However a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is offered. Also a single BOClean licence allows the owner to install the program on multiple PC's and is a one time purchase whereas most of the programs you hold a licence for require annual renewal and additional licences if you have more than one PC. :)

[tuatara]

-{ Quote: "Also your antivirus program is supposed to find more than your AT as your AV is the firstline of defence and your AT second line. " }-

Agreed, I found thousands of malware because testing these is part of my job.
All malware were detected by Kasperky or Nod32 boclean never found 1
that they did not.



-{ Quote: "
As for A2 and Ewido being better against the newer generation of malware, that is subjective opinion." }-

Yes, it is a personal opinion based on personal experience, like all here
but they are
in fact:
1) A new generation (Boclean is much older and hasn't really changed
the concept over the years).
2) Ewido and A2 DID found trojans(and downloaders) that slipped thru
the virusscanner that is what i found, and why would i say different??
3) Ewido and A2 also find tracking cookies,dialers and other non-trojan malware
And personally i don't mind what it costs, for me that is not important,
it just has to work.
And i see no use in a 2nd line defence that has not proven is't use over
more then a year (after tested thousands of malware).
About the money-back is this still available if after a year of testing
i still never found a thing? otherwise i wish to have a refund!

Another thing is that i don't see A2 or Ewido as 2nd line,
it works 'besides' your AV and you can't do without it, just
as you can't work without a AV
You have you AV mainly against Virusses and all it does more is extra
and your Anti Malware against all other malware and if it catch a virus that is an extra.

This is the major misunderstanding i have with this product Boclean.

If i compare a firewall and an AV which one is first ?
and which 2nd line (none if you ask me)

The same thing with AV and Anti Malware, the difference is that
BOclean is always considerred as a 2nd line, that have to catch the things
that your AV normally must do, but sometimes let slip thru.
A backup AntiTrojan ?

Sorry no happy BOclean user here!

But it is good that there are people that think diff. about this,
this makes the FORUM objective because I am not!
:)

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "BOClean has caught some trojans for me, that my antivirus missed in realtime ;). BOClean is an extra program that I am glad I purchased :)

Regards,

Brandon" }-See the above post tuatara. Other peoples results are different. Indeed can you say nothing ever has been reported to have gotten past A2 or Ewido? Also Ewido seems to dominate postings in this forum because of a variety of problems it seems to have.

[controler]

Of course I beg to differ.

I know for a fact Boclean has found thing other Avt-At's have not.

I can tell you Kevin has been around alot longer then some of the compitition.

I would NOT say he is old hat by no means. Just because WE are in our 50's does not mean we need to be put out to pasture. You don't think Kevin keeps tabs on the newest coding? let us have a big DUH!!!!!!!!!!

This forum does not like M. Paris either. BUT I would bet he knows alot more then some of the new commers.

It is all about building trust.

Here is the bottom line dude,,,,

You can't trust any security app 100 %

This leaves you with a regular LOW level format.

Guess somebody recently mentioned a low level format and a windows format were not the same. well that is another duh? but true.

Some BIOS do offer Low Level format.

Let me state it again ok?

Redoing puter !!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIRST reflash BIOS OK?

Then do a LOW level format.

Then install your image.

Do this once a week.

Now ,,, let us find a company that does all this for you......................
with preferably ONE click

controler

[tuatara]

-{ Quote: "See the above post tuatara. Other peoples results are different. Indeed can you say nothing ever has been reported to have gotten past A2 or Ewido? Also Ewido seems to dominate postings in this forum because of a variety of problems it seems to have." }-

Yes, of course it depends on their AV

And of course things get past Ewido and A2.

But did you test with NOD32/Kasperksy and BOclean and
tested the same disk-image with A2 or Ewido ?

Then i really can't understand after testing these for more then a year
with thousands of malware, that you can compare A2 or Ewido with BOclean.

I would like to hear what other licensed users of all these products think about this.

If you are running NORMAN with BOclean, i am conviced
that it will find trojans or trojanDownloaders that your AV missed.
So yes i can agree with that.

But that is not comparing the products, what i did is connecting
disc images with malware and test it with all the above to see what is happening.
Based on that experience i would not choose BOclean
Another thing is that if you mount a disc or USB memorystick
or CD or DVD that contains data, you can simply scan the whole disk
with Ewido or A2, even Network attached storage, but if you want to know if BOclean finds anything this is NOT possible.
So it takes a VERY LONG time to find out if there is an infection
on that media.

but i think i have wrote enough about the above,
wait to see what others think of these products.

So, i hope to read more from someone who is a licensed user
of all these 3 BOclean A2 Personal and Ewido also.

[muf]

tuatara,

You're having a laugh, right? The OP asked the benefit of choosing BOClean over TrojanHunter. You post in this thread that you don't rate BOClean and that the best choice is A2 or Ewido. I'm sorry if i've missed your point here, but you have not replied to the OP's question. You have come into this thread with your own opinion and demonstrating that annoying habit of touting your pet products. If you've got nothing constructive to say to the OP about the choice between BOClean and Trojanhunter then please kindly remove yourself from this thread. Your being here making comments about products that the OP never asked about is simply hijacking the thread. The OP never asked about A2 or Ewido so why did you have to mention them? Because they are your pets. Go away please, you are most annoying!

muf

[hubbahubba]

-{ Quote: "
Sorry no happy BOclean user here!

But it is good that there are people that think diff. about this,
this makes the FORUM objective because I am not!
:)" }-

No need for any apology, tuatara....as you know, although BOClean does not have a forum located here, they do have a dedicated and loyal fan base that will hype and defend the product to the end. It may very well be as good as they suggest, but the opinions and information they provide contain only praise with absolutely no criticism (constructive or not) what so ever. Therefore, I'd advice anyone reading any threads regarding BOClean to take it at face value only and consider the sources (usual and customary praise from same users on a cosistent basis). All you did was offer your opinion and present your experience with BOClean....there certainly was no need for YOU to come under any scrutiny or criticism.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "No need for any apology, tuatara....as you know, although BOClean does not have a forum located here, they do have a dedicated and loyal fan base that will hype and defend the product to the end. It may very well be as good as they suggest, but the opinions and information they provide contain only praise with absolutely no criticism (constructive or not) what so ever. Therefore, I'd advice anyone reading any threads regarding BOClean to take it at face value only and consider the sources (usual and customary praise from same users on a cosistent basis). All you did was offer your opinion and present your experience with BOClean....there certainly was no need for YOU to come under any scrutiny or criticism." }-All he did was hype products he sells. Nothing wrong with this if you state that at the outset, which he didn't unless you click on the link to his website and do some checking and BOClean isn't one of them.

[Mikkey]

-{ Quote: "All he did was hype products he sells. Nothing wrong with this if you state that at the outset, which he didn't unless you click on the link to his website and do some checking and BOClean isn't one of them." }-

lmao. Well said. Very well said indeed. I hadn't noticed that. You are of course correct. Salesmen selling their wares...

[mercurie]

Dedicated BoClean user here. Have used A2 scanner (free) along with it on family machine too.

Never used Trojan Hunter. But then again why would I ... ;D

I got BoClean. ;) ;)

[illukka]

personally i've found both trojan hunter and boclean very useful
i run TH scanner only (ewido too ) and boclean is taking care of the resident part

i guess you dont find out bocleans usefulness until you get something. the best part of it is its great removal capabilities


and while i'm at it: any antivirus can be fooled with a few simple clicks. while your av misses it, usually boclean(or THGuard or EWIDOGuard with memory scanning ) will still nail it

the question which one (boclean or TH ) depends mostly on if you need a scanner or not. both have adequate real time protection

[pepim]

-{ Quote: "tuatara,

You're having a laugh, right? The OP asked the benefit of choosing BOClean over TrojanHunter. You post in this thread that you don't rate BOClean and that the best choice is A2 or Ewido. I'm sorry if i've missed your point here, but you have not replied to the OP's question. You have come into this thread with your own opinion and demonstrating that annoying habit of touting your pet products. If you've got nothing constructive to say to the OP about the choice between BOClean and Trojanhunter then please kindly remove yourself from this thread. Your being here making comments about products that the OP never asked about is simply hijacking the thread. The OP never asked about A2 or Ewido so why did you have to mention them? Because they are your pets. Go away please, you are most annoying!

muf" }-

Hi muf,
I felt the need to react; I really don't see the problem. OP can do whatever he pleases to do.
What's wrong with sharing one's experiences? And of course he believes in the products he 's selling, that seems very logical to me.

[Defenestration]

I am a licenced user of a2, and have also used ewido trial version, and am currently trialling TH.

I initially praised a2 because I thought the IDS was great, and was also impressed by their website which looks very professional. However, after usage I believe it to be a poorly programmed piece of software. For instance, it consistently fails to detect changes in an application exe, which effectively renders this part of the IDS useless. The authors of the a2 have been aware of this problem for a while, but have still not fixed the problem. There also seems to be a lot of problems with the latest 1.7 beta, which have not been addressed, despite being aware of them for several months.

The app is also programmed in Delphi, which doesn't inspire confidence about the knowledge of the developers of security software.

I have trialled ewido a couple of times, and believe the underlying engine to be better than a2, but the ewido guard caused application startup to take too long. If they can fix this problem, I would take another look.

TH seems OK after a couple of days use, with low memory consumption for the guard. However, I have not really tested it thoroughly.

I have not tried BOClean because they do not have a trial version. I know they have a money back guarantee, but I don't believe in shelling out money for a product I cannot test in advance.

Because of this, I would definitely not recommend going with a2.

THGuard has low memory/CPU consumption, but am not sure of it's effectiveness yet due to lack of testing.

ewido seems promising, but has a few problems on my machine. They also don't have a user forum which makes me think they are not open for discussion (or maybe they are worried that too many people will post negative remarks about ewido).

[mercurie]

-{ Quote: "Hi muf,
I felt the need to react; I really don't see the problem. OP can do whatever he pleases to do.
What's wrong with sharing one's experiences? And of course he believes in the products he 's selling, that seems very logical to me." }-I understand your point and I can not speak for muf, but the same old continual slam of BoClean by this creature gets really old... you have to have been around here a while to get the full bitter flavor :P of what is being dished out as advice by some. If only it were something new to be offered. :(

[illukka]

-{ Quote: "
ewido seems promising, but has a few problems on my machine. They also don't have a user forum which makes me think they are not open for discussion (or maybe they are worried that too many people will post negative remarks about ewido)." }-

FYI
http://castlecops.com/f196-Ewido.html

aint official but

[Defenestration]

Thanks illukka.

I hadn't noticed that forum before. Do you know if the ewido staff frequent it ?

EDIT: If the net version of the ewido guard fixes the problem I experience with slow startup of some apps, then I would purchase a licence for it and recommend that as a primary AT.

[illukka]

AFAIK they know of its existence and approved it
also i'd like to point that the forum is hosted by some very capable persons :)
( the CCSP spyware hosts-team )

also AFAIK its a decision they made knowingly (not to have official forums )
although that might change ( popular demand ;D )

yknow some people see the wilders "other anti trojan software"-forum as an unofficial ewido support forum ;D

[Mele20]

Read this by Nancy McAleavy. It explains exactly why BoClean offers no trial. BoClean is seen legally as a "subscriber service" or "club" that one joins for a "membership" fee rather than as a common carrier. The distinction legally rests on whether or not there is a public evaluation copy available and for BoClean there is not. There is a very important advantage for BoClean, and its subscribers, in having BoClean legally defined in this manner. Read the section of Nancy's article regarding Netbus for more explanation.

You will also have just about any question you have regarding the history of trojans and how BoClean came into existence, etc. answered in this excellent article.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404360

[muf]

-{ Quote: "Hi muf,
I felt the need to react; I really don't see the problem. OP can do whatever he pleases to do.
What's wrong with sharing one's experiences? And of course he believes in the products he 's selling, that seems very logical to me." }-


Ok, a couple of things here. You seem to need educating on what certain things mean.
1. OP = Original Poster. As in the person who started this thread. So when you say "OP can do whatever he pleases to do." The OP is not tuatara. The OP is the person who started this thread, and that person is SecurityFan. You of course were thinking of tuatara when you read my reference to the OP.

2. The OP(SecurityFan) did not say they wanted opinion of A2 or Ewido. So that is why i criticised tuatara, because tuatara tried to hijack this thread and promote an application that tuatara sells through their website. So when you say "What's wrong with sharing one's experiences? And of course he believes in the products he 's selling, that seems very logical to me." you are totally wrong. Because this thread is not asking for opinion or sharing experiences with A2 or Ewido. There is simply no logic in that.

So if you are going to stick up for someone who likes to hijack a thread and comment useless information that does not relate to the question asked by SecurityFan, then at least read what i said, and understand what i said first.

Thank you,
muf

[Get]

-{ Quote: "Hi muf,
I (pepim) felt the need to react; I (pepim) really don't see the problem (with tuatara giving his opinion). OP (Securityfan) can do whatever he (Securityfan) pleases to do.
What's wrong with sharing one's (tuatara) experiences? And of course he (tuatara) believes in the products he 's (tuatara) selling, that seems very logical to me (pepim)." }- With respect muf, but I (Get) think you (muf) read pepim's post wrong. I (noooo!! not again!!!:o) think the above is what is meant.

[hubbahubba]

-{ Quote: "I understand your point and I can not speak for muf, but the same old continual slam of BoClean by this creature gets really old... you have to have been around here a while to get the full bitter flavor :P of what is being dished out as advice by some. If only it were something new to be offered. :(" }-

I'll tell you what really gets old - is hearing every non-objective BOClean user (other than Illukka, who is one of the few objective BOClean users) every time the product is brought up in a topic in these forums. Talk about wanting something NEW - how about a fair assessment of BOClean with a little (just a little) criticism or constructive critique of the product every once in a while. For example, there was no need for muf to post his last post to pepim (just above) in such a sarcastic and elitest fashion, other than pepim had the audacity to support someone's else's right to question that BOClean isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Without a doubt, THE most biased and unobjective worship and total praise comes from the BOClean cult. It makes me appreciate Ewido, A2, Trojan Hunter and others a whole lot more because at least users of those products give the appearance and impression of being more honest with more integrity. They will admit their product of choice isn't perfect and don't go into attack mode whenever somebody doesn't bow down to it

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I'll tell you what really gets old - is hearing every non-objective BOClean user (other than Illukka, who is one of the few objective BOClean users) every time the product is brought up in a topic in these forums. Talk about wanting something NEW - how about a fair assessment of BOClean with a little (just a little) criticism or constructive critique of the product every once in a while. For example, there was no need for muf to post his last post to pepim (just above) in such a sarcastic and elitest fashion, other than pepim had the audacity to support someone's else's right to question that BOClean isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Without a doubt, THE most biased and unobjective worship and total praise comes from the BOClean cult. It makes me appreciate Ewido, A2, Trojan Hunter and others a whole lot more because at least users of those products give the appearance and impression of being more honest with more integrity. They will admit their product of choice isn't perfect and don't go into attack mode whenever somebody doesn't bow down to it" }-On the contrary, some BOClean users themselves have criticized the lack of a full on demand file scanner and the lack of a trial version. What puts them in attack mode as you call it is the knee jerk bashing that occurs when the product is mentioned from people who can't see straight because of a crippling bias. ;)

[Mele20]

I guess you guys just like to snipe at each other. I gave a link where Nancy explains why BoClean has no trial. It appears none of you bothered to read it. You all just like to put BoClean down. The fact that BoClean has NO trial is one of the major reasons it is so great a product. But I suppose extremely important legal distinctions are beyond the interest/understanding of many posters here. If you want to criticize something do so from a position of STRENGTH. I don't see that here. (For instance, considering the lack of a full on demand scanner to be a weakness indicates a lack of understanding of how trojans work and how protection against them should work). Plus, if we want to talk about fanboys, the NOD32 crowd is far superior to BoClean users in that regard.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I guess you guys just like to snipe at each other. I gave a link where Nancy explains why BoClean has no trial. It appears none of you bothered to read it. You all just like to put BoClean down. The fact that BoClean has NO trial is one of the major reasons it is so great a product. If you want to criticize something do so from a position of STRENGTH. I don't see that here. (For instance, considering the lack of a full on demand scanner to be a weakness indicates a lack of understanding of how trojans work and how protection against them should work). Plus, if we want to talk about fanboys, the NOD32 crowd is far superior to BoClean users in that regard." }-I happen to agree with you for the most part. I removed the part I don't agree with from the quote. I'm just stating for hubbahubba that criticizms have indeed been made by BOClean users valid or not, as he says BOClean users are incapable of finding fault with the product. Nyet all Av's have some fanboys. ;)

[RobZee]

-{ Quote: "Read this by Nancy McAleavy. It explains exactly why BoClean offers no trial. BoClean is seen legally as a "subscriber service" or "club" that one joins for a "membership" fee rather than as a common carrier. The distinction legally rests on whether or not there is a public evaluation copy available and for BoClean there is not. There is a very important advantage for BoClean, and its subscribers, in having BoClean legally defined in this manner. Read the section of Nancy's article regarding Netbus for more explanation.

You will also have just about any question you have regarding the history of trojans and how BoClean came into existence, etc. answered in this excellent article.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404360" }-

Great post - not having any technical background in computer security, I did not know any of this. Adds perspective for me.

Rob

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: " But I suppose extremely important legal distinctions are beyond the interest/understanding of many posters here. " }-"Be wiser than other people if you can, but do not tell them so."
-Chesterfield

[SecurityFan]

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to the questions I asked. Muf's answer was particularly helpful. Mele20's link was very informative! I learned a lot from this. I also enjoyed reading the other posts.

About ewido -- A while ago I tried this on my own XP machine and it slowed everything way down. I turned off the real-time monitor and my system still seemed a bit unstable. So I used GOBACK to restore to a point in time before the install. As for my sister's Windows ME machine, even if I was inclined, as far as I know ewido won't even run on that.

Thanks
Art

[Mikkey]

-{ Quote: "With respect muf, but I (Get) think you (muf) read pepim's post wrong. I (noooo!! not again!!!:o) think the above is what is meant." }-

I have to side with muf here. You highlight the OP as being able to do whatever he pleases to do. The OP has neversaid they wanted opinion on A2 or Ewido. And as far as i can tell, muf never once challenged SecurityFan. So i also wonder why you say OP can do whatever he pleases to do. The OP only ever asked for opinion of BOClean and TrojanHunter. Find me a post from SecurityFan that asks for input on A2 or Ewido?

M.

[Get]

I merely translated pepim's post into what I think was meant by it and I didn't give my opinion about it. BTW my opinion is that when I ask something about the difference between two programs and which one is the better choice I would personally cheer other options being highlighted by someone, because maybe I don't know them and just maybe these are even better options than the ones I started with and of course I would still be able to make my own decision.

[muf]

-{ Quote: "I merely translated pepim's post into what I think was meant by it and I didn't give my opinion about it. BTW my opinion is that when I ask something about the difference between two programs and which one is the better choice I would personally cheer other options being highlighted by someone, because maybe I don't know them and just maybe these are even better options than the ones I started with and of course I would still be able to make my own decision." }-

Ok, lets for a second assume that SecurityFan welcomes the suggestion's from tuatara. So please tell me why tuatara is advising Ewido and ProcessGuard when SecurityFan already said it's for his sisters WinME pc. And i'm sure you are aware that those two application's do not run on WinME!

The problem you get is that once someone starts to suggest an alternative that veers away from the OP's question, then other people may throw their suggestion's in. After a while the OP will be so confused that they will be in a worse position than when they started. This is why i feel it is better to keep to the question originally asked. When a thread turns into a 'free for all', then it gets fragmented and diverts into an opinion poll.

I use BOClean and Trojanhunter, gave my view about them and kept to the OP's question. If someone had asked for an opinion on A2 then i would answer that as i'm a user of A2 Personal. I also run Kaspersky, NOD32, Spy Sweeper, PestPatrol, Spy Cop etc etc. But i will save my opinion of them for a thread that asks it.

muf

[Get]

-{ Quote: "So please tell me why tuatara is advising Ewido and ProcessGuard when SecurityFan already said it's for his sisters WinME pc. And i'm sure you are aware that those two application's do not run on WinME!
" }- Maybe tuatara isn't aware of this? You should ask tuatara and not me. I'm allready surprised WinME runs. As for "throwing suggestions in" my opinion is that as long as it concerns the same type of software (which works on the OP's system of course) there's no harm in it, only a chance (not a certainty of course) for improvement. When let's say someone who isn't really into pc's asks if he should get Norton or Mcafee AV then it would be almost criminal to only answer the question and don't point out there are "maybe" better options.

[pepim]

Hi muf,

Well I really don't understand why you are reacting this way on my post, I was just asking a question and thought I did it in a polite and friendly way, even when I reread it I couldn't find anything impolite or insulting or whatever.
I don't know tuatara at all and never read his posts before, but in my eyes he was just giving information.
Also I didn't know there was an unwritten (?) rule at Wilders, that you only can react on the question of OP.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Maybe tuatara isn't aware of this? You should ask tuatara and not me. I'm allready surprised WinME runs. As for "throwing suggestions in" my opinion is that as long as it concerns the same type of software (which works on the OP's system of course) there's no harm in it, only a chance (not a certainty of course) for improvement. When let's say someone who isn't really into pc's asks if he should get Norton or Mcafee AV then it would be almost criminal to only answer the question and don't point out there are "maybe" better options." }-Haven't you read that tuatara has worked for several Fortune 500 companies? If he isn't aware then he should be. Certainly more so than you or I as he sells security products, so he ought to know what operating systems they run on. No it wouldn't be criminal to answer only a question concerning Norton or McAfee because they are both fine Av's and "better" is largely subjective. After answering the OP's question concerning the two Av's in question you might suggest that they can look here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32 if they are interested in expanding their horisons beyond the two. That way you've answered the question without any bashing and you've peaked their curiosity.

[Get]

-{ Quote: "and "better" is largely subjective." }- This means AV's are different and the OP could be unaware of what these differences are and pointing them out to him/her could be benefitial to him/her and therefor I disagree. You edited your post just in time >:(, but ok pointing out there are other options by giving him/her that link is also ok when you want to save forumspace.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "This means AV's are different and the OP could be unaware of what these differences are and pointing them out to him/her could be benefitial to him/her and therefor I disagree. You edited your post just in time >:(, but ok pointing out there are other options by giving him/her that link is also ok when you want to save forumspace." }-That's fine. We'll have to agree to disagree. But this is what muf was talking about , as were not even discussing AT's now at all never mind the two mentioned in the original post way back when. ;D

[Get]

Original post? ???

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Original post? ???" }-BoClean and TrojanHunter post #1 in this thread. ;)

[Get]

Ah yes thx for pointing that out. Back on track.:)

[Mr2cents]

-{ Quote: "Forget Boclean , but choose A2 (squared) Personal, or Ewido
or ProcessGuard or ShadowUser." }-Ewido,ProcessGuard, and Shadowuser are not "windowsMe" compatable. I'm a happy boclean user. It's caught alot of nasties.

[mercurie]

All,
I used BoClean on my old Compaq when I ran WinME. I had trouble with BoClean locking up the system.

I emailed Kevin (support). The problem was Norton System Works was eating up to much resources. Kevin and I had a series of emails going back and fourth tweaking BoClean on my system. Like custom made for me until my problem of lock up was solved.

Kevin took time in his busy schedule to help a single user, whose system resources were overtaxed by another company software, whose PC needed another RAM card, but could not afford it...until it was made right!

Those who have heard this before I thank you for your patience.

Did I mention the great customer service that BoClean offers.... ;D

[Bubba]

-{ Quote: "Ah yes thx for pointing that out. Back on track.:)" }-Thank You :lurking:

[Get]

You're welcome (http://www.thecitizennews.com/main/archive-020908/fp-08.html).

[tuatara]

If you have to choose between the two above i would go for TrojanHunter.

Furthermore, yes i am a reseller of software, and as you can see i only sell
the products i really believe in.

And of course if there are others that think they are the worst selection one can make, i always like to hear why.

That is one of the reasons that i am often here..

And for the record.. i NEVER sold a product to an Wilders Forum poster yet!

I don't sell the most profitable or easiest to sell brands.
And i don't sell software i don't believe in.

And i have been always open and clear about that,
i think that this is more honest, then login as a guest,
or hide this information or your commercial background.
The reason that i mentioned 2 other AT's was because i think,
that they were important to mention here, i can't really understand
that this is perhaps is not appriciated?

I think that everybody can give his opinion in this forum,
and you never know WHY people are positive about software.
Perhaps others have commercial reasons as well, but don't come out for that.

Perhaps i made a mistake by not being clear about the exact question,
so again my answer:

If you have to choose between the two above i would go for TrojanHunter.
Because after testing both for quite a while, the results in our lab
where very clear.

So in this case i can recommend TROJANHUNTER to the Original Poster!

I think it is a good thing that there are always people that are
positive and negative about a product.

But is seems that being negative is not always appreciated,
but what if it was always postive only that you read?