A good free backup scanner!

[Firefighter]

Hi everyone! Have you seen this site,

http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/products.php?p_id=24

there you can download a good free backup scanner without on access scanner (as a backup you don't even need that!). It is totally free! :D

What else you can want from some free av with a reasonable unpacking engine (only KAV engined AV:s, McAfee and RAV have better unpacking capabilities), best possible archives scanning and autoupdate possibility! Besides BitDefender Free Edition v7 has quite good heuristics and enough wide virusbase that you can mark as a bonus! ;D


"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[notageek]

Sounds good firefighter. I use McAfee as my main AV and I'm tring GAV as a back up. I might have to check out Bit Deffender and see how good it is.

[wizard]

Quiet aggressive marketing approach by this BitDefender guys again. But let's see: first disadvantage: Setting up two system services which might be conflicting with other av software running. :(

second disadvantage: the scanner will not work anymore if the system services are disabled. :(

Third disadvantage: If you close down the control centre you get a message that you are no longer protected against viruses but as this is only an on-demand scanner you are not protected against malware while this control centre is running either. This might lead unexperienced user to fell protected while they aren't.

Anymore for free as a backup scanner it might be a good choice as long the scanner service is not conflicting with the primary installed av. And for the moment it is of course far more reliable than the unfinished GAV.

wizard

[notageek]

Yes GAV is a little unreliable. It shows so called trojans when they aren't trojans. But it finds dialers pretty good. But i think spybot s&d finds some dialers also.

I was reading over Bit Defenders page and read the same thing you read and changed my mind on messing with it. I don't want a back up that's going to conflict with my main AV even though I turn it off when I scan with my back up anyway. ;)

[solarpowered candle]

Perhaps another alternative might be to have one really top antivirus on your system and once a week zap up to trend micro for a free online scan ( If you were that worried about your anti virus choice)

[Firefighter]

To everyone from Firefighter!

When I said earlier that my resident is F-secure 5.41, I have again chanced my choice, my resident is now RAV 8.6 104 (because of smaller footprint), and when I had my RAV resident on all the time I scanned with BitDefenfer Free v7 my whole PC (without F-secure and RAV folders in the program files), there were no problems at all!

I'm using F-secure only with my download manager program as my choice to scan my downloaded files, the real backup is of course BitDefender Free v7.

Here are interesting test results about a sample of 95-113 trojans detecting from:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/scheinsicherheit/scanner.htm

96,4% McAfee 7.0.2.6000
90,3% F-Secure
90,3% KAV
72,3% RAV
69,5% AVK Pro 12
57,7% Drweb 4.29
51.3% TDS 3.21 (or 3.20)
49,0% BitDefender 6.5
23,2% Trojan Remover
20,4% AntiVir PE
19,6% Panda Platinum 7
15,5% PC-cillin 2002
15.0% F-Prot 312b
11,9% AVG 6
11,5% Norton 2003
10.7% Avast32
10,7% NOD32
7.1% Norman 5.4
7.1% Sophos 3.64
6,2% PestPatrol 4

After that I think BitDefender is not so bad choice at all, the whole virusbase is just now 73 421 and I think it is much more than for example Panda Platinum, DrWeb 4.29c or NOD32 has!

The best thing is that with only BitDefender, you have been able to scan so many files from your PC as possible! ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best regards,
Firefighter!

[xor]

-{ Quote: " quoting: notageek link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=0#msg63780 date=1054325363]
It shows so called trojans when they aren't trojans." }-

Do you have a example for this ?

[Krusty]

Howdyyyy

Lemme tell you something friend Firefighter, with all my respect ofcourse.
If you are looking for a "Back Up" something you should consider looking for Norton´s "GHOST". Nope, it is not an antivirus but you could use it as an antivirus. You make just an image from partition C to partition whatever, and when necessary you copy the image on partion C, it is painless because Ghost works on M$ dos. So, you do not have to make format c or anything else .....it is really easy, COOL proggie I say and believe me ! As we finns use to say: helppoa kuin heinänteko ! ;D

Have a very nice weekend all of you at Wilders -Ari

[Krusty]

Ahh I forgot to tell that Ghost version 7 and named as Enterprise.
Bootable from a floppy disk....

and the old saying....."Helppoa kuin heinänteko" = Easy as making hay lol

[Mr.Blaze]

gav up in this mofo best reconize lol

dont be a hater you know gav good

i use it along side my norton it hasnt fail me once i wish i could say same about norton lol

any hoot try them all and make up your owen mind gav is just my prefrence not only does it find all badys no mater how you hide them but it looks awsome to

plus it free lol cant beat that with a bat

[notageek]

Xor I sent you a pm with the so called Trojan and a report. But I'll post it here also. It clain Weather Pulse was a Trojan but it's has been fixed in the latest update so it's all good. No false positives. :)

[Straight Shooter]

GAV is my choice..

If I need help, how far is the developer? LOL...

I never saw GAV identify a file as a trojan when it wasn't..

Service and support are VERY important to me, too.. It would be nice to know they are close by...

Besides, my heart goes out to Michael.. I heard he only sleeps 4 hours a month!!! ;D

Cheers,
SS

[Mr.Blaze]

:DI HEARD THAT MIKE ISNT REAL

That in fact he is a machine lol

[tahoma]

firefighter (and anyone):

i recently tried RAV, cos it got some good reviews on here and other places. ive got a small personal collection of viruses safely stored on a cd. it contains various js and ie exploits, back orifice, some toher trojans, and about 10 viruses that i have encountered myself over the years.

anyway, my drweb,f-secure and kav detects them all. norton detects all viruses but none of the trojans (ok, my norton test was run ovr a year ago, i didnt touch norton since, mayeb they ahve improved)

but RAV... it found NONE of them. the resident scanner found none, the on-dmaned scanner found none. i copied and unzipped all the viruses to my hardisk and RAv still found none. i reinstalled rav but the results were the same. of course te vir defs were up to date.

i dont know why this happened, and of course this isnt a serious test, but i certainly dont trust RAV after this.

[solarpowered candle]

Bet the coffee bill is really high :)

[xor]

Tahoma, can you send me the samples please to gladiator@gladiator-antivirus.com in a password protected ZIP File ?

Thanks in advance ;D

[tahoma]

xor: yes i can, i just gotta reboot with all my defenses turned off or ill hear the horrible KAV squeal :)

ps, therse nothing special about these samples. just very average common viruses and trojans. check your mail in a few mins

woho, im registered :)

[CrazyM]

-{ Quote: " quoting: tahoma link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=15#msg63842 date=1054364355]woho, im registered :)
" }-

Welcome aboard..... :)

Regards,

CrazyM

[Firefighter]

To Tahoma from Firefighter!

It looks like you had won on the "anti-lottery"! ;)

Let's take an example. When those AV:s were tested last in av-test.org 2-2003, from 71 627 viruses here are those missed ones:

29 viruses - F-secure
43 viruses - AVK 12
76 viruses - KAV
231 viruses - Norton
354 viruses - RAV
681 viruses - F-Prot 3.12c
1 877 viruses - BitDefender 6.5
5 671 viruses - NOD32
5 961 viruses - DrWeb 4.29b

When you have found tens of viruses that only RAV couldn't detect, it's more than a first price! :D

I can't say anything but you surfing habits are the most anti-RAV ones. My suggest is to use any other AV than just RAV! ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[tahoma]

firefighter, yes, its strange, its nevertheless what happened. i even reinstalled rav to make sure that i somehow had a faulty installation.

i sent some of the virus samples to the gladiator-guy like requested above, and gav found all the samples. would be interesting if he could install rav to check if rav finds anything..

drweb doesent find many old/obsolete viruses i reckon, but finds most that u are likely to encounter. rav found none of these very common ones, such as back orifice.

or is it possible that rav didnt work properly cos i also had kav and drweb installed?

btw, regarding the rest results u found, f-secure is kav+f-prot isnt it (and orion) and avk is kav+rav, is that correct? assuming the kav engine found the same in both AV's, it looks like rav missed 14 viruses that f-prot must have found in the test...and i never rated f-prot..

cant wait for kav 5 :)

[Firefighter]

To Tahoma from Firefighter!

About that F-Prot versus RAV, you can see from my last table that RAV is capable to find more viruses in the av-tast.org 2-2003 test as F-Prot.

The whole thing is that, the "universal virus field" is so large, that any av is not capable to cover it full. In this case only RAV covers more the same viruses as KAV. It is even possible, this is only an example, that with Ikarus av, F-secure is even better than it is now with F-Prot. :)

By the way, I think there have been some conflict with our many av:s, probably with DrWeb, because I have no problems with my RAV now when I have BitDefender, RAV and F-secure installed to my PC!

BitDefender is the only av of those three that has detected all my samples from my "infection collection disket" just now.

Some infections were detected at first by F-secure 5.40 almost a year ago. Now F-secure 5.41 doesn't detect those anymore but BitDefender did! ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!



F-secure

[Stainless Steel Priest]

"Let's take an example. When those AV:s were tested last in av-test.org 2-2003,"

Why do you Wilders people blindly believe in the sanctity of the av-test.org tests? Can you not read?

After years of blundering and fooling the public, ANDREAS MARX HAS PUBLICALLY ADMITTED HIS TEST FILES ARE NOT ALL VIRUSES. This makes his tests results into worthless garbage.

av-test.org tests are the products of a university student <No need for personal insults. Removed. Pieter> Ignore them.

SSP

[Firefighter]

To Stainless Steel Priest from Firefighter!

Unfortunately av-test.org and VirusP are almost only testers that have enough wide virusbase to get all programs collapse.

Besides there is any harm if there are some nonviral objects in the test, because after all the failure after that is only systematical, that means it belongs all those av:s.

About VirusP test there is only one minor problem, you can't completely thrust those detection rate numbers from those reference programs (commonly some of those, KAV, RAV, McAfee, F-Prot or NOD).

If we leave those two testers completely outside, what we have left? I think it is only VirusBulletin with those so called in the Wild viruses, which are far away from that wideness that those two have in their tests. Where are the trojans then?

We have read here in Wilders Forum how one infection was free several days before some very good in the Wild programs from VB updated it to it's virusbase!

I have had one infection for weeks, before those very good in the Wild scanners put that to their virusbase! The truth is really out there, but we have only to recognize that!

If we recognize the real danger of KaZaa network and every possible infections that you can get from there, you have to recognize the truth, in the Wild viruses are an illusion. If there are viruses only very few places in the net, they are still alive and free there! ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Firefighter link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=15#msg64024 date=1054462921]Unfortunately av-test.org and VirusP are almost only testers that have enough wide virusbase to get all programs collapse." }-

Quantity unequals quality.

-{ Quote: "Besides there is any harm if there are some nonviral objects in the test, because after all the failure after that is only systematical, that means it belongs all those av:s." }-

This is a huge problem. Over the time more and more av products included non-malware samples just to overperform other products in tests that have not been quality wise prepared. A good example are backdoor trojans. Did you now that av-test.org for example still included clients or edit servers (which are both harmless) in their testset?

-{ Quote: "If we leave those two testers completely outside, what we have left? I think it is only VirusBulletin with those so called in the Wild viruses, which are far away from that wideness that those two have in their tests." }-

You know anything about the testing procedures at VirusBulettin? You are a subscriber of their magazine where all tests are explaint in detail and not just a total 100% figure?

-{ Quote: "We have read here in Wilders Forum how one infection was free several days before some very good in the Wild programs from VB updated it to it's virusbase!" }-

You fully translated the article of PC Welt or did you just read the (too short) summary over here? Again as you liked before to play around with statistics you will definitly know that one test does not give you indication if this behaviour applies to other outbreaks as well.

-{ Quote: "I have had one infection for weeks, before those very good in the Wild scanners put that to their virusbase!" }-

You should highlight here as well that you are not even have done the basic rules for malware protection. If you download and execute untrustworthy software no av software will protect you from such careless behaviour.

-{ Quote: " The truth is really out there, but we have only to recognize that!" }-

I think you have to recognize that you have to do some more homework before you throw figures around that you do not know on what details they are based.

-{ Quote: "If we recognize the real danger of KaZaa network and every possible infections that you can get from there,... " }-

I think only idiots believe that you can download software out of unsecure sources without having the risk of an infection.

-{ Quote: "...you have to recognize the truth, in the Wild viruses are an illusion. If there are viruses only very few places in the net, they are still alive and free there! ;D" }-

Maybe you want some more research on the definiton of what an ITW virus is. Check out the site to learn more about it: http://www.wildlist.org

wizard

[Firefighter]

To Wizard from Firefighter!

You wrote: "Quantity unequals quality".

"This is a huge problem. Over the time more and more av products included non-malware samples just to overperform other products in tests that have not been quality wise prepared. A good example are backdoor trojans. Did you now that av-test.org for example still included clients or edit servers (which are both harmless) in their testset?"

Did you mean that those programs that were performing well in those in the Zoo tests, like F-secure, AVK 12, KAV, McAfee, F-Prot, Command AV, Norton, RAV, PC-cillin etc. are all fooling us? I thought that I was the only Don Quijote here! ;D ;D ;D

You may have right, besides one of them has fooled the investors also, KAV has at least 6 "clones", can you mention one other company, that is so good to fool them all too? ;D ;D ;D

And again you wrote: "You know anything about the testing procedures at VirusBulettin? You are a subscriber of their magazine where all tests are explaint in detail and not just a total 100% figure"?

I didn't mean those details behind those numbers, I meant only the numbers of so called in the Wild viruses, which in my mind are far too low in VB as it have to be to describe the real (KaZaa)net world!

And again: "You should highlight here as well that you are not even have done the basic rules for malware protection. If you download and execute untrustworthy software no av software will protect you from such careless behaviour".

"I think only idiots believe that you can download software out of unsecure sources without having the risk of an infection".

Direct to the target. I'm one of the biggest fool ever, unfortunately it seems to be so that I am not even alone in here! I think we fools are becoming a majority in the web world! ;D ;D ;D

By the way, my infections were picked by F-secure and after several weeks they were among those "in the real Wild" infections. Maybe those were also so called nonsense after all! ;D ;D ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[Stainless Steel Priest]

"Unfortunately av-test.org and VirusP are almost only testers that have enough wide virusbase to get all programs collapse."

All programs collapse on their tests because both test collections are filled with CRAP.

"Besides there is any harm if there are some nonviral objects in the test, because after all the failure after that is only systematical, that means it belongs all those av:s."

I'll try to make this simple. If a file is NOT a virus, it should NOT be detected as a virus. If it IS detected as a virus, the scanner has caused a false alarm. Nobody who knows anything about viruses takes any notice of VirusP's tests so he's not much of a problem, but av-test.org causes AV companies to add CRAP to their detection just to pass the CRAPPY tests they run. It used to be a clean game of AV vs VX. Now it's a dirty game of AV vs VX+Stupid Testers.

Listen to the Wizard guy. He makes good sense.

SSP

[Firefighter]

To Wizard and Stainless Steel Priest from Firefighter!

I think, it isn't my fault when your favourites are not among the very best in all those tests!

Forgive me but I have forgot to mention two testers, Rokop and Scheinsicherheit. I believe you think that they are unprofessional too, because your favourites are obviously not among the very best!

There are so at least 4 testers that have shown different results that you can't stand it now!

Only VirusBulletin has the only professional people in the whole world, that were able to make trusted tests.

You can believe what you want, I believe what I see among those all, only KAV based av:s are always among those winners! Why it is so? Is it because of that KAV's virusbase is very large, best unpacking engine ever, capability to detect what ever you want, capable to scan your whole PC?

Those clones are the best proof of that what is the real best in the market and why the others are so jealous about that! ;D ;D ;D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Firefighter link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=15#msg64050 date=1054485172]I think, it isn't my fault when your favourites are not among the very best in all those tests!" }-

No your fault is to continuesly post wrong conclusions out of various tests over here. I can fully understand why Rod always god that angry when he was discussing with you. ;D

-{ Quote: "Only VirusBulletin has the only professional people in the whole world, that were able to make trusted tests. " }-

Yepp. Or did you ever have seen an av professional complaining about their tests in the last years? 8)

-{ Quote: "Is it because of that KAV's virusbase is very large, best unpacking engine ever, capability to detect what ever you want, capable to scan your whole PC? " }-

LOL. Two weeks ago you did not even now how important an unpacking engine is...

wizard

[Technodrome]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Firefighter link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=15#msg64050 date=1054485172]
You can believe what you want, I believe what I see among those all, only KAV based av:s are always among those winners! Why it is so? Is it because of that KAV's virusbase is very large, best unpacking engine ever, capability to detect what ever you want, capable to scan your whole PC?
" }-

No Fightfighter.
Long time ago (when I wasn’t involved in security) I was infected by a virus. My computer was so slow and it would freeze constantly. At that time I was trying many AntiVirus Products (did I said MANY). Nothing Helped. I still had the same problem. I wasn’t even sure if this was a virus related problem. I thought, something was wrong with my hardware.... Didn’t solve the problem at that time. Computer was off all the time.

Before this happened I had Norton version 5 which missed variants of dangerous CIH virus. My friend suggested AVP 3.0 . So I gave it a try. Indeed, AVP was able to clean more then 2,000 infected files by CIH virus. Since Norton AntiVirus failed, I ended up with AVP 3.0.133 (Kaspersky) as my primary AV scanner back in 1998.

Back to original topic. My computer cried once again. AVP 3.0 (Kaspersky) didn’t help. So I tried Dr.Web, RAV, Pc-Cillin, F-secure, McAfee,F-Prot and others. Nothing. I was assured this was not a virus related problem. I tried many AVs and yet my computer cried. O results, no help…

Didn’t know much about computers at that time I decided to leave it alone and live with slowness and freeze ups. (No, Wilders Board wasn’t up at that time).

Somehow I found out about NOD32 (not sure how, it could be fidonet) and I decided to tried it (tried many others, trying one more won’t hurt). As I clicked green cross button NOD32 immediately started scan memory. Woooo…It stopped and notified me about “unknown memory resident virus” Clean it and I was back again, kicking alive….

So you see FF there is more to it then just a test. There is a real user experience, where tests are worthless…




Technodrome

[Technodrome]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Firefighter link=board=24;threadid=9750;start=15#msg64050 date=1054485172]
Only VirusBulletin has the only professional people in the whole world, that were able to make trusted tests.
" }-

People (professionals) who are participating in all this:
The WildList - (c)1993-2003 by Joe Wells - http://www.wildlist.org
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Ac Alan Candy New Zealand Applied Insight -
Ad Allan Dyer Hong Kong Yui Kee Co. Ltd. F-Prot
Ae Amir Elbaz Israel eAladdin eSafe Protect
Ak Ahmad Y. Kashoor Syria CompuKashoor Dr Solomon's
Al Andrew J. Lee UK Team Anti-Virus -
Am Andreas Marx Germany Univ. of Magdeburg -
Ao Andy Cianciotto USA Symantec -
As Alex Shipp UK MessageLabs StarScan
Ay Allysa Myers USA McAfee (US) VirusScan
Bd Bogdan Dumitru Romania Softwin SRL -
Cb Carl Bretteville Norway Norman ASA NVC
Cr Costin RAIU Romania Kaspersky Labs KAV
Cs Christian Schmid Austria DataPROT Linz F-Prot
Dp David Phillips UK Open University -
Dr David Rotenberg Brazil Maple Informatica -
Ei Eddy Willems EU EICAR -
Ek Eugene Kaspersky Russia Kaspersky Labs KAV
Ew Eddy Willems Belgium/Lux. Data Alert Int'l VirusScan
Fp Francois Paget France McAfee (France) VirusScan
Gb Gerald Batten Canada Independent -
Gr Greg Romania USA ICSA Labs -
Jd Joost de Raeymaeker Portugal RSVP -
Jh Joe Hartmann USA Trend Micro PC-cillin
Jj Jong Purisima - Trend Micro PC-cillin
Jk Jimmy Kuo USA McAfee (Independent) -
Jm Jose Martinez Peru HackSoft S.R.Ltda TH AV
Jp Josef Pichlmayr Austria Ikarus Software -
Jy Jamz Yaneza - Trend Micro PC-cillin
Kb Kenneth Bechtel USA Team Anti-Virus -
Kd K. T. Davies India Pioneer Micro Vaxine
Ls Luca Sambucci Italy Min. Comunicazioni -
Ma Matthew Ham UK Virus Bulletin -
Mh Mikko Hypponen Finland F-Secure Corp. F-Secure
Mo Martin Overton UK Independent -
Ms Marek Sell Poland Marek Sell, Ltd. MkS_vir
Mt Miroslav Trnka Slovakia ESET Ltd NOD-ICE
Mx Michael Xie Canada/USA Fortinet, Inc. FortiGate
Oz Jakub Kaminski Australia Computer Associates VET
Pb Pavel Baudis Czech Republic ALWIL Software Avast!
Ph Per Hellqvist Sweden Symantec NAV
Pm Paolo Monti Italy Future Time S.r.l NOD32
Pr Peter Radatti USA CyberSoft, Inc. Vfind
Pt Peter Theobald India IT Secure Software VirusScan
Ra Ruben Arias Argentina RALP Integ Master
Rf Richard Foley Ireland Reflex Magnetics TBAV
Rg Ray Glath, Sr. USA Tavisco Ltd. Vi-Spy
Rp Ronnie Pineda Philippines Mannasoft Corp. VirusScan
Rv Robert Vibert Canada Independent -
Rz Righard Zwienenberg Netherlands Norman Data Defense NVC
Sa Siggi Stefnisson Iceland FRISK Software F-Prot
Sh Sha-Li Hsieh USA Computer Associates Inoculate IT
Sj Sanjay Katkar India Cat Computer Services Quick Heal
Sk Seok-Chul Kwon Korea HAURI ViRobot
Sm Seiji Murakami Japan JCSR -
So SiHaeng Cho South Korea Ahnlab, Inc. V3.
Sr Subramanya Rao India Proland Software Protector Plus
Ss Szilard Stange Hungary VirusBuster Ltd. Virus Buster
St Stuart Taylor UK Sophos Plc. Sweep
Ta Tjark Auerbach Germany H+BEDV GmbH AntiVir
Tc Tzvetan Chaliavski USA Command Software F-Prot Pro
Td Toralv Dirro Germany U of Hamburg VirusScan
Ti Torben Immisch Denmark Swanholm Distrib. NAV
Tm Taras Malivanchuk Israel iRiS Software AntiVirus Plus
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Ws Wolfgang Stiller USA Stiller Research Integ Master
Xc Xabier Cazalis Spain Panda Software Panda
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which appear to be non-regional in nature. Technically, this first
list is "the" WildList according to original specification, which
required viruses to be verified In-the-Wild by a minimum of two
participants. A supplemental list follows that contains viruses
reported by single participants.



Technodrome

[Stainless Steel Priest]

"I think, it isn't my fault when your favourites are not among the very best in all those tests!"

I have no favourites. I have licences for NOD32, Dr.Web, and KAV. I was attempting to explain the fault in most AV tests. The information you post is *always* misleading because the tests you quote are *always* performed on collections with many junk files. I am not the first to tell you this. Why do you not believe it?

I seldom post, but I am always watching. It seems like you are determined to ignore the facts and promote your own versions of the truth. I understand why people are so frustrated with you. Your mind is closed.

There seems to be a conspiracy on security forums to hide the truth about av-test.org tests. Posts are censured and deleted, and an entire Topic containing posts about the time discrepancy in Andreas Marx's logs was deleted from DSLReports within the last hour.

I know the test was faulty for other reasons outside what you can read on the security forums, but Eset has no chance against the anti-NOD32 army. I am not saying you are part of that army, but your blind refusal to listen to reason from people who know of what they speak makes you its ally.

You sound like an intelligent man. Use your intelligence and stop being a sheep.

SSP

[Firefighter]

To Stainless Steel Priest from Firefighter!

Ok, let us stop this quarrelling and remain again to the main topic. If I remember right, the topic was "a good free backup scanner", but here we are again! ;D ;D ;D


"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[Stainless Steel Priest]

OK, I will give you advice for a good free backup scanner, ignoring av-test.org and VirusP rubbish.

There is only one. F-Prot for DOS is free and if you start your computer from W98 boot floppy it will recognize 32-bit viruses on NT, 2000, and XP FAT32. Forget free scanners if you use NTFS. None are worth the space they occupy.

SSP

[Firefighter]

To everyone from Firefighter!

That interesting trojan test chart on page 1 in this topic has been again updated! ;D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/scheinsicherheit/scanner.htm

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[Pilli]

Hi Firefighter, Unfortunately I do not speak German & could find no English translation, although I did see a paragraph mentioning TDS3 on the Scanner section which I would like to know the gist of?
Maybe on of our German speaking mods or admins could help?
The google translation was incomprehensible :(

[wizard]

"Scheinsicherheit" is testing wether a scanner has an unpacking engine or not. TDS-3 has been placed in the category for scanners without such engine but mentioning the process memory scan as alternative option.

wizard

[Pilli]

Thanks Wizard, Is the order shown of those with unpackers & those without the winning order? In which case Avast would probably meet the best free backup scanner criteria? :)

EDIT: Doh, Noticed that is alphabetical order - So what was the winning order please?

[Firefighter]

To Pilli from Firefighter!

Look at page 1 on this topic at Wilders Forum! That chart was updated! ;D

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

[Pilli]

Thanks Firefighter, AVG shows better than Avast at Trojans - I think for the few dollars it costs KAV Light would probably be the safest choice.