KPF being discontinued

[mikel108]

http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7040&start=0&S=9de97243d04e13fe90cc6fa8dc15787d

[Ailric]

With Kerio Personal Firewall being discontinued and Sygate being bought by Symantec, it looks like ZoneAlarm will be the only free, updated, application based firewall left.

[erikguy]

Looks like I missed my chance to download 2.1.5. :( Does anybody know where else I can obtain it?

[CrazyM]

Direct download of Kerio 2.1.5 is still available on their site:
http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe

Regards,

CrazyM

[chaos16]

kerio being discontinued doesn't mean it stoped right?

it just means that they are making a new version for december the 31st?

[CrazyM]

"KPF: End of Life December 31st 2005", would suggest they are dropping the product all together.

-{ Quote: "During the second half of this year, Kerio will be discontinuing two host-based security products from our portfolio – Kerio ServerFirewall and Kerio Personal Firewall.


Kerio Personal Firewall will be discontinued as of December 31, 2005. It will not be available for purchase after this date. Subscriptions will not be renewed. Technical support will be provided to all customers with valid subscriptions until the end of 2006." }-

Reagards,

CrazyM

[Kerodo]

Interesting news... thanks for the post...

[chaos16]

wats realy happend to kerio they just given up to kerio personal firewall and winrouter?

[Tyreman]

-{ Quote: "http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7040&start=0&S=9de97243d04e13fe90cc6fa8dc15787d" }-
So does that mean no more free version?
If no more personal firewall then free is gone?
Pretty terse quick acknowledgement ;D
The plot thickens-+?
Maybe see in awhile somebody or something "pick them up" corporately
Basically its a polite spin way of indicating.. see ya later we're 'otta this ;D

[Paranoid2000]

-{ Quote: "We want to continue to deliver products that you enjoy to use. We made a promise to give our customers the best products in their category...Kerio will be discontinuing two host-based security products from our portfolio – Kerio ServerFirewall and Kerio Personal Firewall." }-"We want to serve you better by ditching you as customers" - sounds like typical corporate bull. Though unlike another security vendor *cough* at least they're providing 4 months notice and offering support for a year afterwards.

[q1aqza]

Maybe they shouldn't have made their free versions so good that there was less incentive for people to buy their paid version.

[mem1]

I agree with you Paranoid2000-one of the first thoughts I had after seeing the notice. While it is a problem for some to see Kerio go, at least notification to let the existing customers find alternatives, if they want them, has been given in an acceptable timeframe.

[iminj]

It is rumored that MS Windows Vista will include an upgraded firewall with both inbound and outbound filtering capabilities.

If this is the case, Kerio made a logical business decision to stop investing its resources in a product line which is likely produce ZERO revenue in the future.

[chaos16]

its a shame i have started to use kerio and really like it its a shame that there wont be any more updates.

So will another company buy kerio or there is no new about that?

i wonder why pp wont buy kerio its not that bad.

if ppl would start buy kerio personal irewall more and more would they consider to carry on?

[Tyreman]

-{ Quote: "Maybe they shouldn't have made their free versions so good that there was less incentive for people to buy their paid version." }-
;D Maybe have something to do with it!

[Chuck_IV]

-{ Quote: "It is rumored that MS Windows Vista will include an upgraded firewall with both inbound and outbound filtering capabilities.

If this is the case, Kerio made a logical business decision to stop investing its resources in a product line which is likely produce ZERO revenue in the future." }-

Another issue is marketing. I don't know about other countries, but in the US, the only security software you see on shelves is Norton/McAfee and recently Zone Labs and CA.

-{ Quote: "i wonder why pp wont buy kerio its not that bad.

if ppl would start buy kerio personal irewall more and more would they consider to carry on?" }-

The average Joe's don't go hunting down security software on the internet, like we do. They only really know what they see on store shelves and advertisements. Even without a good firewall in Windows Vista, unless you can get your product into the public eye(and that costs a LOT of money), you 're gonna have a tough time making money on it.

[chaos16]

well kerio should do it before its to late.

symantec does it mcafee does it kerio should sell it in shelves as well.

[ErikAlbert]

Well, nothing lasts forever, even software.
I never used Kerio, but I have read alot of good stuff about it.
Maybe it was too good for a freeware, like q1aqza already mentioned, who knows. After all most freewares are lesser good, than the commercial version.

Freewares are only developed to make a company and their software popular.
The famous Spybot S&D is indeed freeware, but the commercial version isn't cheap either.
Home users of freeware, have usually a job and they will choose for the same software at work, when it's good and companies have money enough to buy the commercial version. That's how it works.

I'm glad I sticked to ZoneAlarm Free and trusted my intuition.

[Syncman9]

It's a shame that Kerio is being dropped, and I'm disapointed that Sygate has been brought by symantec. Symantec already have a firewall in the form on norton, so I wonder whether they'll fold the best bits of sygate into that.

In regards to Vista, even if MS make a good firewall, I doubt it will spell the end to that market. I for one don't like all my eggs to be in one basket, and given MS’s past on security issues, flaws etc. It will take me a very long time before I really believe that I can trust MS totally.

Personally I feel it's the age of suites, where you can one package which does all, even NOD32 appear to be considering doing a suite. There is already one for zone alarm, and Kaspersky and many others. My only fear about this is that when you group things into one package, you lose something. When a package is dedicate to one task, it's often better than a package trying to be all things for all people. This happened with hifi's, where the separate units were far better than the all in one units.

Well that's my 2p worth.

[ErikAlbert]

Syncman9,
I fully agree with you.

[Fedorov999]

My day just gets worse... JUST moved to Kerio from Sygate!!!

Anything similar to Kerio/Sygate ease-of-use other than ZoneAlarm out there please anyone?

Thanks!

Fedorov.

[chaos16]

which firewall is most similar to kerio overall?

also kerio was the only one with the features HIPS & NIPS hopefully more firewalls use it as from now.

[Syncman9]

-{ Quote: "
also kerio was the only one with the features HIPS & NIPS hopefully more firewalls use it as from now." }-

Outpost includes protection like NIPS, as does Kaspersky Personal Firewall.

Intrusion detection requires relatively frequent updates, and is probably best done on an individual machine, rather than your desktop machine.

[Pollmaster]

-{ Quote: "My day just gets worse... JUST moved to Kerio from Sygate!!!

Anything similar to Kerio/Sygate ease-of-use other than ZoneAlarm out there please anyone?

Thanks!

Fedorov." }-

Jetico firewall maybe, lots of extra HIPS stuff you would like.

[sukarof]

-{ Quote: "My day just gets worse... JUST moved to Kerio from Sygate!!!

Anything similar to Kerio/Sygate ease-of-use other than ZoneAlarm out there please anyone?

Thanks!

Fedorov." }-´

I´m testing Netveda right now and it seems to be a good app. And it´s free. I like it so much that I have even put LooknStop aside for a while :)
Dont know how similar they are to KPF and ZA, cause it´s been years since I used them, but Netveda is not that hard to learn (well everything is relative ;) ) But you have nothing to loose trying it.

Netveda (http://www.netveda.com/index.htm)

[Siro]

Great firewall sadly its dropping out of the competition gave Zonealarm a good run for their money awesome product.

[CyGho]

On the Dutch NOD32 site:
NOD32 en Kerio bundelen krachten in strijd tegen cybercriminelen (In English something like NOD32 and Kerio join forces in battle against cybercrime)

http://www.nod32.nl/about/pressnl.htm

So an NOD32 with firewall is in the make. Or a Kerio with antivirus :)

[chaos16]

but thats maybe old news and i doubt that nod32 has bought kerio maybe thay are partners

[ErikAlbert]

Eset needs a security suite : Kerio is the firewall and NOD32 is the AV, but they still need an Anti-Spyware and Agnitum needs still an AV ;D ;D ;D

[Syncman9]

I think I mentioned about NOD32 getting a firewall in an earlier post within this thread. Maybe Eset have brought the rights to the kerio firewall, and are going to implement a version within a suite. Who knows.

[Fedorov999]

Well, Sygate to Outpost to Kerio and now Kaspersky Anti-Hacker - so far so good... really easy to use, nice clean interface, light on resources..... :)

Fedorov.

[chaos16]

hopefully kerio will give the personal firewall to nod32 and hopefully nod32 improves on it way way better.

[ErikAlbert]

I have the perfect solution for Eset and Agnitum :
Eset give their NOD32 to Agnitum for free.
Agnitum give their AntiSpyware to Eset in return.

Eset Security Suite (ESS) = Kerio Firewall + NOD32 AV + Agnitum Anti-Spyware
Agnitum Security Suite (ASS) = Outpost Firewall + NOD32 AV + Agnitum Anti-Spyware

Isn't that something.

[chaos16]

but kerio wont be developed any more?

wat i am saying that if kerio wont update there personal firewall any more than nod32 can carry on it work?

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "but kerio wont be developed any more?

wat i am saying that if kerio wont update there personal firewall any more than nod32 can carry on it work?" }-
Kerio Firewall will survive in the Eset Security Suite and nobody of Kerio gets unemployed.

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "I have the perfect solution for Eset and Agnitum :
Eset give their NOD32 to Agnitum for free.
Agnitum give their AntiSpyware to Eset in return.

Eset Security Suite (ESS) = Kerio Firewall + NOD32 AV + Agnitum Anti-Spyware
Agnitum Security Suite (ASS) = Outpost Firewall + NOD32 AV + Agnitum Anti-Spyware

Isn't that something." }-
sry just noticed that. tho i think an security suite of nod32 and outpost pro would be great as i do use both. neways i guess the firewall competition shortens once more. now people have only ZA for a free appication based firewall. also even if the firewall isnt updated anymore, cant the people just continue using it? people still use v2.

[chaos16]

load of ppl like me feel safer using the latest version with newer features and more fixed bugs.

[ErikAlbert]

I call them both the Frankenstein Security Suites ;D

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Maybe they shouldn't have made their free versions so good that there was less incentive for people to buy their paid version." }-
That's true, but I have a feeling that it has more to do with Kerio 4 having a bad reputation in general. 4.2 actually turned out pretty good, but that old reputation is hard to change.. maybe they just decided to dump it for that reason...

[FatalChaos]

ay the reputation for kpf might not be that great, but what about winroute firewall???

[erikguy]

I also wonder what that's gonna mean for avast! for kerio (http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_for_kerio.html)?! Interesting to see what happens there....

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "I also wonder what that's gonna mean for avast! for kerio (http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_for_kerio.html)?! Interesting to see what happens there...." }-
lots of other companies have plugins as well. mcafee, eset, and symantec to name a few.

[Hipgnosis]

For those looking for a replacement to Kerio you might want to consider NetVeda or Filseclab. I was a Kerio user for years but for various reasons I decided to try out some other firewalls (of the free persuasion). I used NetVeda for awhile and for the most part was happy with it but I never was completely sold on it. I am currently using Filseclab and am very, very happy with it.

I know there's also ZoneAlarm (ugh!) .... but for me that is a non-option. ;D

[Chuck57]

I think the loss of kerio is a real blow. I've used kerio 2.xx through 4.2 and found all of them to be great firewalls that never caused me a problem, other than a screwup when I tried to uninstall 4.2 a while back. I've since discovered it wasn't kerio that messed up but another program I was running.

I like kerio 4.2 and when I'm not trying out some other firewall will go back to 4.2. I think it will be good for a couple of years, maybe longer. The free version offers a lot more than ZA free. I think kerio is the best free firewall out there right now. Although it takes some resources, it doesn't seem to slow down my system at all.

[hollywoodpc]

For what it is worth , Kerio is an EXCELLENT firewall . Some like it . Some do not . As is the case with most people in forums . Feelings aside , Kerio is very good protection . Many here talk about 2.15 as it is God . Not hardly . The 4.x versions are much better . Like it or not . But , the point is , it is sad to see this . As I am an avid security tester , there are only 3 firewalls I will even consider now . Kerio was one . And , their support was decent . That speaks volumes in this day of non supportive support teams .
As for this talk of NOD picking it up . No comment as I have no idea where this comes from . I do know that the person NOW in charge at ESET is a very forward thinking individual with a STRONG background . I expect changes and many good things to come from NOD . Anyway , goodbye Kerio . It was a good one

[5432345]

I think Eset programmers are able to make good firewall without buying third party software...


If they implement Kerio 4 that Security Suite will just be resource hog.....

[Chuck57]

"Anyway , goodbye Kerio . It was a good one"

That's right, hollywoodpc, and it'll still be a very good one for a long time to come. I sure hope somebody picks it up and continues development. I'll stick with it as my main firewall for the foreseeable future. Got it saved to CD for the day this computer bites the dust. It will go on my next unless I switch to Apple, which I'm seriously considering.

[3453245]

This sounds funny:

"Secondly, the anti-spyware code is developed from Tauscan, Agnitum’s award-winning anti-Trojan software."

It look like that just Agnitum calls Tauscan award-winning software....

[Jarmo P]

It is really strange when people start changing firewalls when they hear stuff like this. Same happened with Sygate. I for one made no intentions of ditching a fw that i have found is good for me.

For those that use pro versions, sure if the updates are not coming to IDS or that "titty" etc. feature and they are really needed.
But many of us use free versions of firewall, and where is the need to change?

[FatalChaos]

a lot of people don't like using "forzen builds" b/c they know if bugs in the program ever arise they won't be fixed and the program will eventually (and possible not too far in the future) not provide such good protection as hackers and trojan horses update their techniques. However, i intend to stay with kpf 4.2 for quite a while.

[Fedorov999]

I know what you mean and I also know that I *could* stick with my faithful Sygate for quite some time.

Just personal choice really, Anti-Virus and Firewall software are the 2 most important tools on my machines, you need to find a good combination that you are happy with to use everyday and feel confident about.

I just feel more confident/happy using products that I know are supported and actively developed.

There WILL be a day when a patch or servicepack screws your old/stale firewall it might be 2 years away but I want to be using something that I know can be fixed without panicking at the last moment :)

Kaspersky Anti-Hacker, while not the best on leaktests is so far very impressive in light resources and nice easy clean interface. It can only get better now I hope...

Fedorov.

[chaos16]

ye i am going to try kaspersky antihack hopefully it will be really good and improve alot in the future.

hopefully it will replace my firewall kerio.

[Fedorov999]

Chaos, let us know how you find antihacker please, initial impressions and stability after a few days use etc....

[Wai_Wai]

So what (good) firewalls are left now? :"(

[WSFuser]

plenty. theres netveda, look 'n' stop, 8 signs, chx. my favorite is outpost pro.

[Hipgnosis]

-{ Quote: "So what (good) firewalls are left now? :"(" }-
Filseclab

[hollywoodpc]

It totally depends on what you are wanting in a firewall . For best protection from more than just hackers , Tiny and/or pcInternet Patrol . pcInternet Patrol tends to be expensive but , very good against many different threats . Tiny is a very difficult firewall to navigate for newbies . Outpost Pro is very good at what it does . look n Stop is a decent choice as well . 8 signs is nice to play with but , it lacks in protective abilities provided by the others I mentioned .

[chaos16]

i didn't really like antihack so much so i changed bak to kerio 4.2.

When a more stable version of kaspersky KIS comes available i think i will go to that one.

One i use kaspersky antivirus and another the firewall in kis is supposed to be diffrent and way better than antihack.

plus kis will have the same antivirus i use, a firewall better than antihack a antispyware a anti spam and i don't know wat else but i personaly think this internet security suite gives the best protection compared to all other internet security suites.

[Tyreman]

"There WILL be a day when a patch or servicepack screws your old/stale firewall it might be 2 years away but I want to be using something that I know can be fixed without panicking at the last moment"... end quote
...Thats probably how it will transpire in the end ;D

[M_S]

Will put in 2c: I had a reply from NOD32 support a few days back saying they are planning to release a firewalled edition in coming months...

[WSFuser]

u still have the email?

[M_S]

I do, here's a quote:

"In the not too distant future, Eset will be offering our own firewall and spam filter to our customers. As far as I know, this should come bundled with version 3 of NOD32, as optional extras and I think it'll be at no extra cost, but I have no idea of the timing. My guess would be early 2006, but it's just a hunch. The devs are working on version 3 and a firewall and spam filter as I write."

[Morpheus]

-{ Quote: "My day just gets worse... JUST moved to Kerio from Sygate!!!

Anything similar to Kerio/Sygate ease-of-use other than ZoneAlarm out there please anyone?

Thanks!

Fedorov." }-

I made a similar move a few months back and never looked back. However since 4.1.3 was released I have had a few issues one of which KPF agreed was a bug according to a post on their forum but didn't have a timetable for a fix. Now we know why.

I don't particularly want to go back down the ZA route I switched from that years ago for Sygate but the current KPF path bug (http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=6567&start=0&S=09f5fa37a4a259ec0adba6ecc3923d09) is quite annoying and whilst I would tolerate it if it was going to be fixed now iI will simply move on ASAP. My KAV license comes up for renewal soon so maybe I will look at KAH. As well as Outpost and Jetico.

Morpheus

[Uroboros]

Hmmm..sounds good. Already use NOD32 so I'd definitely look into this now that Sygate has been bought by Norton.

[Fedorov999]

-{ Quote: "I made a similar move a few months back and never looked back. However since 4.1.3 was released I have had a few issues one of which KPF agreed was a bug according to a post on their forum but didn't have a timetable for a fix. Now we know why.

I don't particularly want to go back down the ZA route I switched from that years ago for Sygate but the current KPF path bug (http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=6567&start=0&S=09f5fa37a4a259ec0adba6ecc3923d09) is quite annoying and whilst I would tolerate it if it was going to be fixed now iI will simply move on ASAP. My KAV license comes up for renewal soon so maybe I will look at KAH. As well as Outpost and Jetico.

Morpheus" }-

Well I keep coming back to Kaspersky Anti-Hacker again and again at the moment, think I'll buy their v6 security suite once it's out of beta as apparently it has an even better anti-hacker firewall.

Yesterday I tried:
Look'n'Stop - amazingly light on resources, interface could be better, don't like the fact that the currently offered version requires you to apply 2 or 3 *beta* patches - there should be a single-install version with all these fixes ready to use immediately.

Mcafee, already responded in another thread, hate that Secruity Center that insistes on popping up before I can get to the firewall settings, and 4 or 5 running processes is too much bloat for me.

Netveda, again nice and light on resources but way too complex to get configured properly behind my NAT router, easy to tell it which my internet card is (nic) but that same nic card is also my LAN as well and it doesn't let me tell it that!!! Too hard to configure for most users.

Back to Anti-Hacker again, light, great easy interface, can only get better..... :)

Fedorov.

[Clweb]

-{ Quote: "

Mcafee, already responded in another thread, hate that Secruity Center that insistes on popping up before I can get to the firewall settings, and 4 or 5 running processes is too much bloat for me.

Netveda, again nice and light on resources but way too complex to get configured properly behind my NAT router, easy to tell it which my internet card is (nic) but that same nic card is also my LAN as well and it doesn't let me tell it that!!! Too hard to configure for most users.

Back to Anti-Hacker again, light, great easy interface, can only get better..... :)

Fedorov." }-

Yes, McAffe is very complicated to install even the trial version. Must use IE and Active X to install.And uses much resources.

Netveda: I have also a NAT router, and it is impossible to separate internet and LAN on the sam nic. It's a pity.

I used Oupost, but as I got BSODs, I changed to see if Oupost is involved. I use the Filseclab firewall. I'm happy with it, and since 3 weeks I had no BSOD.

[toploader]

if Vista includes a full and comprehensive firewall then there will be no need for a third party bolt on. could put a lot of third party firewalls on skid row.

spare a dime for an old firewall mister - sure buddy - you did good in your time but the unstoppable march of progress consigned you to the trash can of history.

[chaos16]

even if wondows vista has a firewall with inbound and outbound protection i doubt it that i would use it has Microsoft is well known for its bugg softwares plus i bet u watever that windows firewall would let some malaware in like there antispyware doesn't detect some malware in purpose.

i think i would stay with KIS (Kaspersky Internet security Suite)

[Chuck_IV]

-{ Quote: "if Vista includes a full and comprehensive firewall then there will be no need for a third party bolt on. could put a lot of third party firewalls on skid row." }-

Sure there would because for one, I'm sure Vista's firewall isn't going to be nearly as feature rich as most other firewalls, on the market. Another good reason is pure lack of trust I have for Microsoft. They have proven time and time again, that they cannot write secure code. Vista's firewall will be one of the biggest target of hackers.

[toploader]

A Giant step for mankind

now if i wuz MS having acquired Giant and relabeled it MSAS my next step would be to take over Kaspersky and relabel it MSAV/Firewall ;D

MS has the bucks to buy up all the known universe

question - if kaspersky was acquired by microsoft would you switch to NOD/ZA?

[WSFuser]

for me resource usage is priority so id stick with nod32.

[Chuck57]

-{ Quote: "I made a similar move a few months back and never looked back. However since 4.1.3 was released I have had a few issues one of which KPF agreed was a bug according to a post on their forum but didn't have a timetable for a fix. Now we know why.

I don't particularly want to go back down the ZA route I switched from that years ago for Sygate but the current KPF path bug (http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=6567&start=0&S=09f5fa37a4a259ec0adba6ecc3923d09) is quite annoying and whilst I would tolerate it if it was going to be fixed now iI will simply move on ASAP. My KAV license comes up for renewal soon so maybe I will look at KAH. As well as Outpost and Jetico.

Morpheus" }-

I'm sticking with KPF 4.2 for the foreseeable future, other than when I get the crazed need to look at some new firewall offering.

My KPF app list doesn't show the bug, but for those systems that it shows up on, I think you're right. It will never be fixed now. For me, KPF has performed very nicely. No problems and no complaints here. I think kpf is good for another year or two and, like kerio 2.1.5, I hope someone develops rules for it and keeps it alive a few years longer. Better, I hope some other security software maker picks takes it and continues development. It's a great firewall.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Sure there would because for one, I'm sure Vista's firewall isn't going to be nearly as feature rich as most other firewalls, on the market. Another good reason is pure lack of trust I have for Microsoft. They have proven time and time again, that they cannot write secure code. Vista's firewall will be one of the biggest target of hackers." }-
I concur. M$ disappointed me already in the most important softwares for internet :
Internet Browser : I replaced MSIE6 with Firefox + extensions without any regrets.
Email-software.. : I replaced MS Outlook 2000 with Thunderbird without any regrets.

Vista Firewall ? This time M$ won't disappoint me anymore and I certainly will install another Firewall.

M$ simply doesn't care and give their customers nothing but MEDIOCRE softwares, while M$ had more chances and more money than any other competing company and in spite of all that, M$ is still BEATEN by the competition in every possible way.
M$ should die for shame to treat their paying customers this way. >:(

[Chuck57]

-{ Quote: "I concur. M$ disappointed me already in the most important softwares for internet :
Internet Browser : I replaced MSIE6 with Firefox + extensions without any regrets.
Email-software.. : I replaced MS Outlook 2000 with Thunderbird without any regrets.

Vista Firewall ? This time M$ won't disappoint me anymore and I certainly will install another Firewall.

M$ simply doesn't care and give their customers nothing but MEDIOCRE softwares, while M$ had more chances and more money than any other competing company and in spite of all that, M$ is still BEATEN by the competition in every possible way.
M$ should die for shame to treat their paying customers this way. >:(" }-

Mostly true, although despite the security patches, I find Windows XP to be a pretty good and stable operating system. I've never had a crash or freeze.

That said, as I think I mentioned in this thread or another here, I'm thinking very hard at switching to Apple for my next computer next year or a couple of years down the road. Unix OS (BSD) with the Apple GUI. You can't get much more secure or stable.

[Firecat]

Sygate is not really dead:

-{ Quote: "
We expect the acquisition to close soon after the companies receive the required regulatory approvals. In an effort to provide you with contractual continuity, Sygate and Symantec have reached an understanding that all current contracts in force at the time of close will be assumed “as is” by Symantec. The management teams at both companies will work on the integration and transition plans through the close. I recognize that a change like this can create uncertainty, and, during this period, I will continue to provide you with as much information as possible so that you have confidence in the process and understand the roadmap. Our intention is to protect your investment, and leverage the best of both companies to provide you with even more value over time.

Symantec has solid experience in making acquisitions work: an impressive 60 percent of its current employees were brought on board through acquisitions. During the process of getting to know the wonderful folks at Symantec, it became very clear that they highly value Sygate’s reputation, talent (our people!) and innovative products. As many of you know, this expertise came from the well learned practice of frequently polling our customers for feedback and input on our roadmap. With this move, we have a chance to share and extend your expertise and knowledge to make a difference, and to have an even larger impact in the industry.

For the time being, our primary goals are to remain focused on what we do best – protecting our customers, working closely with our partners, giving great value for money and providing outstanding service. We will stay focused on these goals, and we will continue to work relentlessly to help you be successful in securing your organization.
" }-

[minacross]

Safety Net is free for presonal use and it's doing just fine..
http://www.netveda.com/
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=16180.30