SPAM attacking me

[controler]

I am having trouble with spam lately in my hotmail account. SEX sites. Are they all using proxy servers now?
because I can't seem to trace the address on these.
any ideas? maybe I am just losing my patience in my old age.

example below:

pussyjtkxesty@urbi.com.br

controler

[controler]

jtkxesty@urbi.com.br

ok in previous post? where thingy was inserted instead of the real word which is another name for cat.
you will have to change that to do a look ;)

controler

[spy1]

Spam in a HotMail account? NO WAY!! (ROTFL!)

You have gone back and checked your HotMail preferences to make sure they didn't change them for you, right? Pete

[snowman]

* * Controler

* * hotmail is super bad news....just for the heck of it if you have the spare time...WeSim posted a link to some online e mail offerings..I think the post is in the software/services forum.....
* *in my early days of computers I had a hotmail account...today I could not be payed cash to have one. just my opinion.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *snowman

[controler]

While I stayed out at the lake without phone line access
I had to run into town to use the computers at the library and that is why I have the hotmail accounts.
Now I finialy installed wireless here at the lake but I still use my Hotmail account as Jooske uses her Yahoo account. If I could afford it, I would use an anonymous
server for my e-mail ;) they are running 50 bucks a *month now aren't they?

[controler]

I went into my hotmail options and kicked up the junk mail filter a notch
Kicked it up from low to high to se how it handles it.
Have the delayed delete for na week just in case ;)

[Checkout]

I receive 60+ spam mails per day on Hotmail. *I have my privacy set to EXCLUSIVE. *Yeah, sure... * Those guys at MSN Hotmail are about as effective as an aluminium foil teabag.

[Jooske]

Both hotmail and yahoo have a very nice option:
check all, trash all, empty trash.
But now hotmail works with that passport thing it's even less private.
Of course all settings "private" "not in public areas" "not searchable" but still...... how do you think they keep the service "for free" for the users? Because "free" is not "free" but you're just one more mailbox for them to earn their clicks.
Receiving the hotmail garbadbe in your email client and delete them from there one by one are clicks for them, never noticed it takes a few milliseconds to delete them?
You all know very fine if person A is paid to spam for instance the porn you spoke about there is no use to look at that catty... whatever domain, but just parse the headers in for instance SamSpade and look at the routing. If you really want to waste your time send some complaints to the proper abuse persons, or change your own settings to make it look like a bounce message (new mode these days). Your next spam from them might announce you as "Sam"!
In most cases just your delete button and setting your anti-spam filters extra strickt is as effective and less time consuming.

[Prince_Serendip]

I have a SECURE Yahoo! Canada e-mail account. I don't get spam. My suggestion to you is quit Hotmail. Just as you quit make some e-mails to the public press letting them know about it. I betcha it will then be cleaned up lickety-split! ;)

[spy1]

Isn't there a setting in there that you can set to "Don't accept email from anyone not in my address book"? Pete

[Jooske]

If you mean on hotmail, yes, the exclusive filtering.

Now you are on a newsgroup. The postings come in your mailbox, and in some way you have to make the setting so those postings can come in.
Aha, now there was one spammer subscribed a moment on that ng before the moderator banned the person, but he has all those addresses, which the email service was so kind to add to your addressfolder. So you're as far as before. As the person can forge the sender name into one of the newsgroup.
Now one of those people is infected with Klez. Banned or not, you are in their personal addressbook so you receive them anyway, even after unsubbing and trashing that ng, as they go to your personal address.
Can clean out the address folder and the thing continues somehow, for did we filter out "postmaster" and "abuse" and "mailer daemon" and maybe "hotmail support" to name some senders of that Klez?
The one who comes with a definitive solution for that one other then remove the email account i might owe a karma point!
In my case (it was not on hotmail unfortunately for that account i would have deleted in this matter) the spammer opened a new email account and continues his infected spamming all time, so let's say intentional.

[Jooske]

What i think is the most annoying and part of the problem are these things:

1) it's --at least at yahoo-- not possible to block all from a certain domain like @spam.com only individual accounts and as that spam.com has each day another username before the @ it's useless. written yahoo abuse several times but they don't even answer.

2) i had several spams i wanted to report.
so digging the full headers, for instance
xxx@yahoo.com and a "remove me" at yahoo.com and URLs in it redirecting from or to yahoo.com. Pretty clear yahoo.com isn't it? Yahoo.com says not our customer, we can't do anything, look at the sender's ISP.
same with a sympatico. address, look at the senders ISP, while sympatico is clearly sympatico, isn't it?
same with msn.com, send the whole source including full header, everywhere even the IPs msn, "not our customer, please send full header"
same with hotmail.com, same results.
Yah chao, i don't even want temp email accounts there and if i have the first thing without looking is empty all junk and inbox and all there is as opening any of them to remove or block it makes them money and even from that blocking you get spammed by the kind of junk. I know, as entering my junk box the first email opens automatically and that one was for cars. I am not interfested in cars i don't want them don't have them, but since i get hundreds of spam mails for cars and insurances and drivers lessons and safe driving and free gaz and sweepstakes for cars and all relating to cars which before i never had that subject.
So they are not interested in helping you getting rid of any spam at all and make their "services" as annoying and frustrating for who did not see that yet as possible. They earn money from our complaints and our opening the stuff to block it and our entering their fortress to remove the junk.
So there is the weakest point, those yahoo and msn/hotmail (all one company 90% of the shares owned by the bushes for who did not know) keep the spam going and stimulate it till we are all so annoyed we agree with some moer forcefull anti-spam law which will affect individuals in steread of the large advertisements companies they deal with and another cut in our freedom of expression or internet use.
See the pattern?

The only thing which helps is a destructive nasty in an autoresponder and exactly that is not allowed.

[Prince_Serendip]

:) Hi Jooske!

Can you use a redirect with those accounts? That way the Spam could be redirected to Yahoo. If they get upset, give them a virtual shrug and say "not my customer."

Are there any proggies out there that can read the sending IP and "return to sender" like with snail mail?

Seems to me to be a proactive approach. I never use my own e-mail/Outlook Express. Safer.

When there was a big decision being made about flyers/junk mail in my city, there was an official who insisted people get even more junk mail. A bunch of citizens (half the city) got together and donated their junk mail and they dumped it on his lawn in the middle of the night. He changed his mind. Junk mail is now optional.

Of course you can also get a free ZipLip account. Never has spam. Or any of the nice payware accounts like the Bat. I still use a Yahoo account for, you guessed it, my junk mail. If I am not expecting it, it is deleted unopened. I really would like to send all that mail back to the senders and those who assist them. This is not why Internet was created!

Best regards.

[Jooske]

Maybe too many people used the redifrection option as that seems no longer available? But of course you can make autoresponders telling your new address is abuse@yahoo.com and sender mailer daemon.
or een bounce@yahoo.com.
Those headers most of time are from A via B - Z to you and it's the same problem as with the klez infection: it pastes another sender to the real sender in the header which appears in the sender in the inbox lots of times.
But msn/yahoo/hotmail could change a lot if their autoresponders would not say "it's not our account" but telling for instance "it's a non existant account" or forged or whatever; the impression with that would make a world of difference for now the victim only sees a very ignorant abuse non-service.
the program should enable to add all to the blocked sender list without being forced to open the junk. As blocking doesn't help anyway at all (the filtering "if from contains spammer.com" send to trash" does not work, it still comes in the inbox ; maybe they have a anti-filtering on domain names, so spammer maybe would do and spammer.com not) nor does complaining so the best seems to be just click check all click delete click empty trash.
But such a remote full header reader would be something!

Your ridirection sounds interesting so how can we make that? You mean they can only close our account and easy to make anew one, isn't it?

[puff-m-d]

Hello all,

I currently use MailWasher to filter, bounce and delete my unwanted pop3 mail.

See this link: http://www.mailwasher.net/

Nick is working on a version with Hotmail support that is due out anytime now.

Regards,
Kent

[controler]

Hi Puff-M-D

Thanks and we are watching that site every day to see when that Hotmail account filter is ready..
Guessing he doesn't have all the bugs out yet and if he does get it done, I sure it will be a huge hit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Gone the world of spam LOL

[Jooske]

I wonder if anybody remembers the free tool to download the yahoo popmail with that or with that tool into outlook express and maybe other clients as well. I googled and tried to search here in the forums, but as i don't remember the name don't find it. I like to try it out. And it could be if we can collect the mail that way, we can use our mailwasher and other filters again.
Worth a try!

[Pieter_Arntz]

Jooske,

Do you mean YahooPOPs?
Available an webattack in the Misc e-mail tools section

Regards,

Pieter

[Jooske]

I'll try to find it, thanks for the name.
Does my idea make sense or are there better options?
When also hotmail is added to mailwasher, would really be great as yahoo and hotmail/msn are my biggest problems in spam, and what's worse, many years ago when i was really innocent on internet i gave them as second email address my official one, also for the forwarding service etc., even though i removed it time ago, but it's in their memory so i get their spammers in my official mailbox thanks to that too.

[Pieter_Arntz]

Jooske,

I'm not sure it's going to work. It depends on how this programm drops your mail into OE. Could be it bypasses the filtering. I'm afraid it's trial and error.

Regards,

Pieter

[Jooske]

Indeed, tried the new 3.6 version, nada, via mailwasher, nada, so theer are some options to try with the https or mb5 or thing like that, never know......
In their forums read lots of try and error too :)
But i'm not used to give up just like that!

[Pieter_Arntz]

Jooske,

I used e-prompter for a while, because Incredimail ate to much of my memory ;) It checks all your mail accounts at preset intervals and gives you the possibility to read a plain-text preview and delete mail on server. Maybe worth a try.
http://www.eprompter.com/

Regards,

Pieter

[Jooske]

Was looking at it today, it's only for the yahoo part to be able to bounce spam to sender, as a lot i do with rulesets in OE too and via mailwasher, but yahoo is the problem :)
Four recources you're right; i had some of those little proggies more; with a screenshot i would have known if i had that eprompter or another one time ago.
Am digging out my system for all the kind of little programs i ever installed for a try and forgot and which all together take lots of space.

[Paul Wilders]

The email client The Bat! does have a very nice Mail Dispatcher for these purposes as a standard feature. Have a look at the screen shot.

regards.

paul

[MyNethingyman]

The Bat is a very good email client. Nice to see it being discussed.

[luv2bsecure]

I about fell out of my chair when I saw this on Wednesday:

Hotmail Enlisting Help Of Brightmail

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,105017,00.asp

Bill Gates and Microsoft actually admitting that they need help - and can't go it alone?????? For Hotmail users this is great news. I don't use Earthlink, but several I work with do and they say ever since Earthlink signed their deal with Brightmail it's night and day with the spam.

Tell it like it is when Microsoft is wrong - but give them credit when credit is due. This is a good move.

John
Luv2BSecure

[puff-m-d]

Hello all,

See this thread about the new version Mailwasher 2.0 beta: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=4181 .

It now offers Hotmail support....

Regards,
Kent

[controler]

OMG you beat me !!! I been checkin mailwasher page everyday
and it IS there now ;D

http://www.mailwasher.net/

Let's go get um ;)

[controler]

Checking out this version now. Wish I could have been on the Beta team for this one.

In options you have a box for

Check the origin of the e-mail against DNS blacklist servers.

a. Edit blacklist servers tab.

The Spamcop link server started ticking my Lockdown Mail
and some ligit personal e-mail from AOL .
If you go to that server http://spamcop.net/
and type in the ligit address. They tell you it should be fine and not included on the blacklist.
First bug..

[luv2bsecure]

Hi Controler!

I think the answer to spam for web-based email is to find a web-based mail provider that isn't inundated with spam in the first place.

I posted it in another thread somewhere, but Microsoft announced a million dollar+ deal with Brightmail admitting they have lost the war on Spam with Hotmail and need help. It was a humbling announcement really, and give them credit where credit is due on this one. Earthlink users can tell you how effective Brightmail is. They are REALLY good. So, soon, Hotmail could be better than most in spam thanks to their realizing they needed the help from the pros that have been successful.

Meanwhile, try www.myrealbox.com I NEVER get spam there and you have never seen such a full-featured web-based email than myrealbox. Forwarding, email notification when you get something at your myrealbox account, vacation replies, pop retrieval, and many other little goodies that you would normally pay for with anybody else. It's a project of sorts of Novell Messaging (read about why they exist - it's kinda neat) and helps them with their other systems someway and that's why they operate the site at all. I've had an account for three years - always happy.

John
Luv2BSecure

[Jooske]

Heya guys, just surfed on this story, spammer gets spammed and with snailmail spam too! Great!
He even doesn't like it, how about that!@?
http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend6_20021206.htm
http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend22_20021122.htm

[Pieter_Arntz]

ROFLMAO

Sometimes life is better then fiction 8)

Pieter

[Jooske]

Google a bit on his name, lots of horror stories :) and he doesn't want to stop, see how he bought his expensive house with this business.....

[Krusty]

LMAO ! I wish he will choke on his SPAM :D

-Ari

[Jooske]

Imagine people subscribing him collectively on everything they can think of, emails and snailmail, catalogues, telemarketers, you name it. Poor trees.....
His photo, house address, taxes, aliases, thousands of his domains, everything is on internet.
He asked for it, for sure! And still doesn't want to stop, even won some lawsuits and made agreements with some ISPs..:(

[Krusty]

One day MSN has got enough for that crap and make the spammers to stop their gross work. Ralsky and others will lose their property and we netizens will have peace & quiet. A fairytale ? I do not think so. If MSN wants something it will get it I´m sure.

-Ari ;)

[Jooske]

For the moment they all make good money from him, what do you think? All that paid bandwidth, advertisers and clicks, all those people's complaints with even more promotions in every email footer, etc. Of course MSN and all those could have brushed up their anti-spam filters, but their own gain is much too high!
And like verisign (?) made agreements their members mailboxes will not be spammed, that's another good promotion, don't you think? Etc etc etc.... all butter on their heads... poor email users.... If little people are caught for some spamming their boxes are closed, but this guy with his millions of dollars can continue, of course......

[Krusty]

Jooske :)

I have an idea, tell me if it is "worth of spam". We all netizens go and open a new hotmail account everytime we receive spam on them. Just leaving the old accounts living their "spamlife". That would cause extra expensives for msn, or would it ?

-Ari

ps. I wouldn´t allow my children to open hotmail account, if I had any.

[Jooske]

Maybe this is why they now in stead of three months ask a monthly visit to keep the accounts active. I read somewhere soon the free accounts are finished and we'll have to pay for them.
You can try to set them up with all kinds of spam filters we can think of like the xxx sectors in which this person says he is not spamming but more the financial and games areas. Could be.
Can't imagine your idea is against any TOS or other laws. Remember they joined yahoo time ago, so lots of accounts to make for this. You might like to add an autoresponder or forwarding somehow on their abuse account.
I'm not telling the terrible user names and autoresponders i created which seem to work more or less for this goal :)

[Krusty]

Jooske,
if they some day will close free accounts, that would be the day of victory for antispammers :)
I took a look at google´s links regarding the spammer. I dislike him even more now. But thinking all that money....I can´t say I am jealous for his property, but.....he has not worked for it legally. He has spammed me too, and that is a crime in this country. But I have to also say that he is genius, don´t you agree ?

-Ari

[Jooske]

I would not be really happy if there are no more free accounts because of such spammers maybe in the first place. They filter already part in the junk folders, but still it's a mess, true.
He found a hole in the market using internet for his gain, true, as he only needs a few heavy computers and bandwidth to make money with, which with snailmail would have been a manyfold in costs and organisation.
If he indeed is responsible for 90% of the internet spam, imagine what he caused for serious business and communication, the lost communication because of our spam filters and blocking software, etc.
From 300 emails every few hours i have some 50 worth closer examination and some need an answer, all the other 250 are just spam, forcing me to change the message rules and filters frequently and to look if not too much is filtered out.
In another thread here was written it's better to reply for unsubscribing from some, but on the other hand there are advices better just delete, so it's hard to know which is best to stop some spammers, so i keep filtering.


You might like "the Story" as an illustration
http://belps.freewebsites.com/index2.htm

[Detox]

wow Jooske that is some good stuff at that link!!

hehe

[Jooske]

Yes, but see it just as an illustration and not as a manual which ways to walk, as i certainly would not recommend those, even though one can understand the person was brought to that.
So maybe other spammers better take it as a warning what might happen to them.

[controler]

;D Where did that person get the nude pictures of Rodona?
She isn't bad looking ;D
see me drooling? :P

Don't let Blaze know of them pictures ::)

[Jooske]

Why are you writing about those then?
Maybe the webmaster had a hot chat with camera support?

[controler]

LUCKY camera person ;)

I wonder if she is getting compinsation for us viewing her nude pictures?

If she gets paid by the click, I bet she will make a fortune off **** ;D

please, no references to members and their private habits in this context and thread ;) - Forum Admin

[Gnostic]

-{ Quote: "Meanwhile, try www.myrealbox.com I NEVER get spam there and you have never seen such a full-featured web-based email than myrealbox. Forwarding, email notification when you get something at your myrealbox account, vacation replies, pop retrieval, and many other little goodies that you would normally pay for with anybody else. It's a project of sorts of Novell Messaging (read about why they exist - it's kinda neat) and helps them with their other systems someway and that's why they operate the site at all. I've had an account for three years - always happy.
" }-

Thanks for this link John! I've been looking for a service like this for some time. I am impressed by their site and services and think I will give them a try. Then I can get rid of Hotmail--at least until Brightmail secures them.

Thanks,
Gnostic

[Gnostic]

John

Unfortunately, myrealbox.com is not accepting any new accounts. Do you know of any other safe free email services?

Thanks,
Gnostic

[Gnostic]

I hate beating this in the ground! ;D I just visited the hushmail.com site and was impressed with what was said about this service. They use encryption based on OpenPGP. In fact the only thing it lacked, in my opinion, was POP3 access. Has anyone heard or used them?? Check them out at https://www.hushmail.com.

I also looked at SAFe mail, but their encryption is proprietary. So I won't be using them.

Gnostic