I do not think all has been said regarding TDS-3

[Pilli]

Hi Luckman212, I have merged your new thread into this one so that we only have one thread on the subject of TDS3 being withdrawn.

Thanks. Pilli

[LuckMan212]

Hi Pilli-
May I kindly ask why we are only allowed to have one thread on this topic? I feel that this thread had turned into a private war between Dallen and DCS and most users have probably unsubscribed from it by now or at least will never read it again. Thus my post which I put a considerable effort into and was looking for some feedback on will never be seen. I do not appreciate this.

[Pilli]

Luckman, Your post will stay here. It has been reviewed and the decision taken, your post is in line with the other posts in this thread.

This thread is still one of the most "popular" on this board, so I am sure that those that are interested will read your post and make their comments.

Thanks. Pilli

[Antarctica]

Hi LuckMan212,

I can understand your frustration because I am in the same situation as you
are. I bought TDS-3 in the end of december 2004 and I already own a
liscence for PG an PE.

After many, many Emails I finally got a response from Wayne and the answer
is NO PARTIAL REFUND or whatsoever.

DCS chooses the hard line and this is their choice. But it will also be my choice
to not give any money to this company in the future and I will definitly not recommend DCS to any one who ask me.

[Carver]

I bought TDS-3 in early June 2005 and I paid USD 49.95. After it was cancelled I accepted a "Free" licence as compensation, the licence which is USD 29.95. This in no way makes-up for the way I have been lied to and treated, and does not sit well at all with me. I have in the past recommend DCS products to people, sorry I can no longer do that. The company seems to be stretching "Just around the corner" to the point of breaking and is running with it. What can I find that is possitive in all of this, as I don't have baskets full of cash to give away.

[Get]

-{ Quote: "
After many, many Emails I finally got a response from Wayne and the answer
is NO PARTIAL REFUND or whatsoever.
" }- So as I get it now you can only get a license for pg or pe and that's it... Earlier i said that's a good enough deal, but when you already got them there's no deal at all and of course DCS has to offer PG/PE-owners something else. If not money, then something else. If they don't do that then they'll throw away trust and that's something a company can't afford to loose. My advice to DCS in general is...be clear, be crystalclear to your customers if you want to keep customers.

[SamuelH]

I dont know if this has been said before, but I didnt read this whole thread. However, I feel that TDS-3 is a great program EVEN without the updates due to the fact that it has a bunch of extremly useful tools, even if its primary purpose is now void. I also appreciate the free offer, and am very excited about getting Port Explorer (and ProcessGuard because my dad is giving me his free offer). If I already had them, I was just talking to someone today who would have loved to find a free key to ProcessGuard in thier inbox. TDS-3 was fun while it lasted, but now it's over, and I appreciate DCS for what they did to make up for it. Certainly, a warning would have been nice, or maybe something where they gave refunds to people who got it 3 months ago, but what they did give was still fine in my opinion. I don't think its fair to complain, while the whole thing may not have been as smooth as it could have been its not really fair to go and condemn everything because of this. It seems people loved DCS and TDS before this happened, so why change your opinion now? This is one thing, and in a world where people are constantly screwing you over, this really isnt that bad.

[dallen]

-{ Quote: "Hi LuckMan212,

I can understand your frustration because I am in the same situation as you
are. I bought TDS-3 in the end of december 2004 and I already own a
liscence for PG an PE.

After many, many Emails I finally got a response from Wayne and the answer
is NO PARTIAL REFUND or whatsoever.

DCS chooses the hard line and this is their choice. But it will also be my choice
to not give any money to this company in the future and I will definitly not recommend DCS to any one who ask me." }-
Antarctica,
Are you really surprised by this? I would be extremely surprised if Wayne has issued a single solitary refund. They are quick to throw out reports on how many licenses they've issued, why not report how much in cash refunds has been issued? Wayne, would that be because the answer would not be favorable to your image? Let me clue you in, your image is not doing so well as it is. Why would DCS mandate that all refund requests be done in private. Would it be bacause if the process was transparent the one way cash flow would be exposed for what it is? These are just honest questions that I, and I'm sure others, would like answered. My prediction is that this posting will be removed because Wilders seems to be going the DCS route. If you don't like the truth, hide it and attack those that attempt to expose it.

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "Antarctica,
Are you really surprised by this? I would be extremely surprised if Wayne has issued a single solitary refund. They are quick to throw out reports on how many licenses they've issued, why not report how much in cash refunds has been issued? Wayne, would that be because the answer would not be favorable to your image? Let me clue you in, your image is not doing so well as it is. Why would DCS mandate that all refund requests be done in private. Would it be bacause if the process was transparent the one way cash flow would be exposed for what it is? These are just honest questions that I, and I'm sure others, would like answered. My prediction is that this posting will be removed because Wilders seems to be going the DCS route. If you don't like the truth, hide it and attack those that attempt to expose it." }-

Maybe Wayne has done all he is going to do, the TDS-3/4 issue is too much of a hot potato at the moment.

-{ Quote: "Pilli This thread is still one of the most "popular" on this board" }-

Popular for what reason........ IS "Popular" the right word. Some of bought TDS-3 with the promise in mind that we we get a free up-grade to TDS-4 But what hapened DCS postponed TDS-4 for over 2 years. Then canceled TDS-3, offered software of lesser value than the orignal purchased for some. Other people already bought all his products, what compensation has he given those people.DCS fell through on a promise for a new web site and no new products have materialized yet. Some people Will not return to the DCS fold, and some of the people here can/will not recommend DCS software. New buyers will read reviews; ask for other peoples opinions in buying new software. DCS NEEDS to do right by it customers or it might go under.

[Jooske]

Hmm wonder why the thread self-destruct at 500 postings failed.
Guys are so busy blaming DiamondCS for not being crystalclear and everything new or old and discussed a thousand times on every forum, in IMs, PMs, privately with the DiamondCS developers and support team people can think of, forget to see betatesting is going on in high gear and a new upgrade has been released in the meantime, more to come soon.
Some people have work to do and do work on.
Fortunately DiamondCS does work on producing new stuff for us, so much given all for free as well.

[Pilli]

Dallen wrote: -{ Quote: " ...because Wilders seems to be going the DCS route. If you don't like the truth, hide it and attack those that attempt to expose it" }-. Apart from the boredom of repitition why would we do that? And please do not accuse us of hiding anything without some evidence to support it.

-{ Quote: "My prediction is that this posting will be removed " }- Dallen take this as it is read - Goading of the staff here by any member will not be tolerated.

Pilli

[mikel108]

Hi all,

I think that this thread is quite popular. I personally am finding it very entertaining. In politics we have a saying that I think fits DCS very well. "Damaged Goods". Very few products or people come back from this.

[Get]

-{ Quote: "
Guys are so busy blaming DiamondCS for not being crystalclear" }- This isn't so strange really, considering the fog surrounding the aftermath of TDS3. Very nice DCS is working hard at making new programs, but that doesn't answer the questions asked and really there's only one question... "What does DCS offer TDS3-buyers?". When the answer to that question seems to differ in an negative way from what's done in reality, then there you have the fog. That's why I said "crystalclear" ... meaning : the answer must cover what will be done in reality. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm amazed by the trouble it gives DCS to provide such an answer (or did I miss it..?). It could be as simple as.. Customers who have a TDS3-license for longer then 1 year get a PG or PE-license for free (if they allready have a PG AND PE-license and aren't interested in one they can have a 50% refund). Customers who have a TDS3 license for shorter than 1 year get a partial refund for which the scale is : 0to3 months-95%, 3to6 months-85%, 6to9 months-75%, 9-12months-65%.

[dallen]

-{ Quote: "Dallen wrote: . Apart from the boredom of repitition why would we do that? And please do not accuse us of hiding anything without some evidence to support it.

Dallen take this as it is read - Goading of the staff here by any member will not be tolerated.

Pilli" }-
Pilli
With all due respect, I have proof. I have submitted it, but have received no response.

I would hardly categroize my behavior as "goading." However, that term is quite ambiguous and subject to interpretation. I could see how as someone who wants to interpret my behavior as violating forum rules could broadly interpret many of my postings as falling within the broad meaning of "goading." A more narrow interpretation in the context of what's been allowed (i.e. precedent) would likely reach a different conclusion.

[Pilli]

-{ Quote: "With all due respect, I have proof. I have submitted it, but have received no response." }- Proof that somehow links us with covering up for DCS? I think not. Whilst DCS's forums are here at Wilders they play by the same rules as the other vendors and all work within the TOS. Whilst your interpretation about fairness mat be different to that of Wilders, it is Wilders board and not yours.

-{ Quote: "I would hardly categroize my behavior as "goading." " }- Well I do interpret it as goading in terms of trying to wind up the staff here.

-{ Quote: "I could see how as someone who wants to interpret my behavior as violating forum rules could broadly interpret many of my postings as falling within the broad meaning of "goading." " }- Trying to get a response to a question from a vendor is one thing and was not what I was talking about.

You can carry on with your rhetoric regarding DCS as long as it falls within the TOS. BUT goading unpaid Wilders staff will not be tolerated.

Any further comments about this should be addressed to the Admins here especially if you feel we are being unfair.

Pilli

[Jooske]

.... see subject.
and who thinks different please be adviced to read all the thread and the other original thread and everything said about this.

It's running OT again.

The subject is TDS-3 not continued and new DiamondCS products coming.

[Bubba]

Post by member Dallen removed.

@ Dallen,
Comments in the post that was removed were not proper for this thread and also are best said privately with an Admin.

[Pilli]

All quiet on the Western front? *puppy*

[worldcitizen]

All may be quiet on the western front but I'm coming from the eastern front!!

After reading Luckman's post I just can't understand how these matters concerning TDS3/4 are not being resolved. A simple reply to an email or a counter offer is all that is needed so that most can move on and put all this behind us and it's worth the effort to DCS if they want to sell new software because as I see it all this outstanding buisiness is lingering on like a bad smell and doing untold damage to the reputation of DCS.

IF it's true and people are not receiving replies to their emails for lengthy periods then I would begin to express some very serious disappointment in DCS as a company and question very much the credibility of a software company who doesn't reply to emails from customers.

I never had this problem. I got my email replied to within 24 hours so why are some saying they are not getting replies? Is it the server? Is it the request? I don't know, but if it's true and Luckman just never got a reply then that's pretty mean IF it's true what he said. 5 emails and no replies? There's got to be a proper reason for this as I did get a reply so I would like to know why others didn't and if DCS received them or not or have responded or not.

Can someone please clarify whether or not DCS are not answering some customers emails please as I find this to be very disturbing if it is true.

Dave

PS: Pilli (all is NOT quiet on the EASTERN front)

[Jooske]

Maybe people emailed as anonymous guests?

Anyway, there is work on the horizon, coming in little by little isn't it?

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "

Anyway, there is work on the horizon, coming in little by little isn't it?" }-


Where? I must be blind! ;D

[JW Clements]

-{ Quote: "Where? I must be blind! ;D" }-

No, you're not blind, it's 'just around the corner' don't 'cha know, it can't be seen yet unless you're also 'just around the "same" corner'. Not to be confused with 'being round the bend' ('crazy').

Golly gee, can we wrap to a new page yet?

[Peter2150]

In case you missed it there is an updated version of Port Explorer that was just released.

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "In case you missed it there is an updated version of Port Explorer that was just released." }-

A update is not new software, just existing software that has been improved or added to, the basic purpose of the software remains the same.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "In case you missed it there is an updated version of Port Explorer that was just released." }-

Thanks, Pete. :) I did miss that. So much for their email newsletter... :-\

[Zipper]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time (only today found about TDS's demise!!) and am really a noob @ pc and stuff.
I purchased the Special Action Pack last November.
Out of the three, I have wormguard that works (will I still get the update for this?), port explorer that sits there exploring, don't really know what this does, and TDS-3 that is no longer updated. I bought the Special Action Pack specifically so I could get the free updates and wouldn't have to go and purchase more later on. Otherwise I would have just bought TSD-3.

I have run ProcessGuard in the past but as the OP has said it slows your pc, it also stopped me gaming online. Don't know if this has been fixed yet. So I do not want to let it back on to my pc and wouldn't inflict it on any of my friends.

If it isn't already apparent I am extremely annoyed with DCS. I will email them and see where I get, don't hold out much hope there after reading the posts here.

So finally can someone recommend a good uptodate freeware version of TDS. Funds are low at the moment, but for when I get the readies together can someone also recommend a good paid for trojan scanner thingie from a reputable company with some ounce of customer service.

Thanks for the any recomendations

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the any recomendations" }-

A little off-topic, Zip. See here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=90064&highlight=tds-3) for recommendations. Good luck to you!

[Paranoid2000]

-{ Quote: "I have run ProcessGuard in the past but as the OP has said it slows your pc, it also stopped me gaming online. Don't know if this has been fixed yet. So I do not want to let it back on to my pc and wouldn't inflict it on any of my friends." }-ProcessGuard should have no noticeable impact on your system. If you encounter slowdowns with PG then the reasons are almost certainly either (a) a program repeatedly trying to carry out an action that PG is blocking (which should appear in the PG Alerts window - if you trust the program in question then just allow this) or (b) anti-virus software continually rescanning the Process Guard logfile (under Logs in the ProcessGuard program folder) or the pghash/pguard.dat files in the Windows \System32 folder - check that these are excluded from background virus scans.

As for online gaming, the problem is PunkBuster (see Is Process Guard blocking Punkbuster? (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=78880)) and a workaround is given in the Running PunkBuster with ProcessGuard (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=90067) thread.-{ Quote: "So finally can someone recommend a good uptodate freeware version of TDS. Funds are low at the moment, but for when I get the readies together can someone also recommend a good paid for trojan scanner thingie from a reputable company with some ounce of customer service." }-If you have a decent anti-virus scanner and use Process Guard to back it up, it is unlikely that you even need a specialised anti-trojan. The increasing effectiveness of anti-virus scanners in detecting trojans is why DCS decided to stop TDS-3 and you should only consider a secondary scanner if you indulge in "risky" behaviour (specifically downloading and running programs from anonymous sources like filesharing networks, IRC, Usenet or warez sites).

[Zipper]

Many thanks to both Dazed and Paranoid, hadn't seen those threads.

Sorry folks didn't mean to go off topic but was just peeved that a software pack that was 7 months old (for me) was being discontinued. Especially seeing as I bought it to get the free upgrade to TDS-4. I only mentioned PG as I had to stop using it and the option to get the full kit instead of having tds-3 updated and getting an upgrade to tds-4 was a little bit galling.

I fully understand that the business model that dcs was running with TDS was unfeasible, but then I didn't force them to offer me the deal. I would be just as well pleased if they had continued both products and honored the deal but asked for an annual subscription like NAV etc. Having said that DCS have broken the deal and they still have my money, or have spent it. Hope it gave them a hangover and ulcers ;)

I don't know if I could ever trust DCS again but I will recommend that people steer clear of them or be very cautious of spending money on their products as any support could be stopped without any notice.

I know this is pointless airing my grievances as this has probably been said much more eloquently and with less spelling mistakes in one of the many many posts in this and other threads.

I now have to decide whether to take the PG option of a license or look for money back. Does anyone know what law on consumer rights would apply here as I'm in the UK and they aren't. I may look in to that if I get time free from work.

Thanks again to both dazed and paranoid for your replies.

[worldcitizen]

-{ Quote: " Are we to believe that you couldn't develop and release TDS-4 in over 2 years, but that you can develop and release this software in less than 2 months while redesigning the website and do it all with such "limited resources?"" }-

I think that what we are going to get is parts of TDS 4 with different GUIS under different names and being sold as 'new and revolutionary' software.

I completely agree with Dallen that there has not been enough time to develop this NEW software unless they are breaking up TDS 4 and serving that to us. It's virtually impossible that they could develop very sophisticated programs with their limited resources within 2 months while they couldn't finalise TDS 4 in over 2 years.

Be sure that whatever programs get launched they will be dissections of TDS 4(the free upgrade we were supposed to get) in other forms which we will have to pay for, but how many now are sticking around for when that happens?

On the one hand not releasing the 'new' software is getting criticism but on the other if they do release it too soon then it will look obvious that this is TDS 4 'the second edition'.

Dallen, I reckon that 'new' (TDS 4 parts) software will be out well before Christmas because they need the funds sooner rather than later but my PC is running quite well without any DCS software at present so it'll take a lot of convincing for me to want to buy anything new they release. Unless it's a revolutionary AV or something like that it won't be on my Christmas shopping list this year.

Dave

[Jooske]

I think it's all going very new, building on technologies especially developed for the new demands today and partly already very successfull in what we are using but in new tools and functionalities.
Remember lots have been done over the years, part was betatested, and with Gavin hands free of updating new references there is a very strong extra hand in whatever the business demands.

[LuckMan212]

-{ Quote: "After reading Luckman's post I just can't understand how these matters concerning TDS3/4 are not being resolved. A simple reply to an email or a counter offer is all that is needed so that most can move on and put all this behind us and it's worth the effort to DCS if they want to sell new software because as I see it all this outstanding buisiness is lingering on like a bad smell and doing untold damage to the reputation of DCS [....] if it's true and Luckman just never got a reply then that's pretty mean IF it's true what he said. 5 emails and no replies? There's got to be a proper reason for this as I did get a reply so I would like to know why others didn't and if DCS received them or not or have responded or not.

Can someone please clarify whether or not DCS are not answering some customers emails please as I find this to be very disturbing if it is true.
" }- I can assure you my post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=574681#post574681) was 100% accurate and I did not sensationalize it for the sake of getting people's feathers ruffled. I was only looking for a fair and proper response/resolution from DCS-- and instead received the silent treatment. >:( As I have complete access to my mail server logs I can assure you my messages were all delivered and no replies were received. DCS has chosen to pocket the TDS-3 money and I hope it was a large sum indeed because it will have to last them A LONG TIME seeing how many people will never again buy another DCS product.

[TouchuvGrey]

I paid $39.00 for TDS-3 several years ago. The day after i read that it was discontinued as per Waynes announcement i requested a license a license for Process Guard. The next day i recieved it. In American math that works out to about $10.00 per year for TDS-3 and i got PG thrown in free. I think very highly of DCS security programs and will likely purchase the next one they bring out. Would i rather have had some advance notice of TDS-3 being discontined ? Yes, but c'mon guys, get over it and move on.



Mike

[LuckMan212]

-{ Quote: "I paid $39.00 for TDS-3 several years ago. .. that works out to about $10.00 per year for TDS-3 and i got PG thrown in free." }-
Excuse me, but how is that in the slightest bit the same as my situation? You got "several years" worth of use out of TDS, and received a timely response to your email request. I (and many others) bought TDS very close to the end of its life, and I can't speak for everyone but I explained in my thread that I basically had to remove TDS soon after installing it due to problems with the realtime protection. So I essentially paid for it and never used it. Then I had all of my emails go unanswered. So, while you may have gotten lucky and had a good experience, I think most of us came here to voice our complaints about DCS' poor business practices, borderline-fraudulent advertising, and deafening silence with regards to its customers' requests.

[Defenestration]

Agreed! It doesn't matter what colour/tint your glasses are, the fact remains that the ethics of DCS remain a bit dubious.

- No previous warning when dropping one of their main products (for a supposed security company, this lack of communication is unforgiveable)

- the response to people's questions/queries have largely remained unanswered

I'm sure I could come up with other points, but it's late. :yawn:

[Notok]

Agreed, here as well. TDS3 never worked very well on my system, either. I did use it to kill some stuff on someone else's machine (with the free trial) here and there, but the tools frequently didn't work or crashed on me, TDS wouldn't show things that it detected, it slowed my system down tremendously, etc. etc., and it seemed the answer to any problem that I had (reading other people's posts) was "it will be fixed in TDS4, which is just around the corner"... cool, supporting TDS4 is mainly why I got it anyway... oh, that and the scheduled scan scripts that were supposed to be in the TDS3 member's forum.

Personally, I've got heavier things to worry about than some software. I do encourage everyone to do what they need to do, but some ~snipped~ really need to back off and look at life a bit. The situation sucks, but I also have confidence that DCS will make things right by their biggest supporters :) (ie, those that already have licenses to everything else)

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "I do encourage everyone to do what they need to do, but some ~snipped~ really need to back off and look at life a bit. " }-

Agree. Please understand, though, that one can criticise DCS and still be a supporter. ;)

[FirePost]

-{ Quote: "Agree. Please understand, though, that one can criticise DCS and still be a supporter. ;)" }-I could not agree with that more. Useful and constructive criticisms are invaluable for any company. Avid supporters of a product or service can easily be the most vocal with criticism simply because they care ;)

[Notok]

-{ Quote: "Please understand, though, that one can criticise DCS and still be a supporter. " }-Absolutely :)

[worldcitizen]

-{ Quote: "I can assure you my post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=574681#post574681) was 100% accurate and I did not sensationalize it for the sake of getting people's feathers ruffled. I was only looking for a fair and proper response/resolution from DCS-- and instead received the silent treatment. >:( As I have complete access to my mail server logs I can assure you my messages were all delivered and no replies were received. DCS has chosen to pocket the TDS-3 money and I hope it was a large sum indeed because it will have to last them A LONG TIME seeing how many people will never again buy another DCS product." }-

Luckman,

When did you last email DCS? Try again now and let us know if you get a reply. Even if it's a negative answer DCS should answer your query.

Send in your license details and proof of purchase and you should get a reply if you word it politely.

I always have received replies from DCS so this must be some sort of misunderstanding or something because it does sound a bit odd. Wayne has encouraged people to email him so I'm sure he'd answer you.

Anyway, let us know how you go if you decide to email DCS again.

Cheers

Dave

[Jooske]

Hm, i could go on sickleave for two weeks and the thread still didn't selfdestruct.

OK, try the support_AT_diamondcs com au account and explain the problem if the other mailbox wasn't successfull.

For the fan/support question: yes i am a DCS fan/supporter but not limited to that of course.

[couldbe]

hi all,

I elected to get ProcessGuard.

Although i either didn't see the warning or managed to ignore it.

a hacker was able to get at it. I did a clean and reinstalled and set the services options as recommended.

I have had no troubles since. it is such a relief to know that i can now go to a chat room and "survive the drive"

my TDS3 still runs and i use it as a port connection checker till i can afford port explorer.

At present I am trying to get my daughter to get processguard so that i can finally have a break from "fixing" their machines

Couldbe

[Notok]

-{ Quote: "At present I am trying to get my daughter to get processguard so that i can finally have a break from "fixing" their machines" }-Do what I do.. tell them that if they refuse to adequeatly protect their system, you won't help them when they get infected because you don't have the time to go over there every week to disinfect ;) (You could also mention that some of the malware out there can leave you with more to clean up than just the computer, and that takes a lot more time and money than learning to use PG.)

In fact, really, if they get infected by a trojan or spyware, they should be going through and changing all passwords, etc., anyway. Give them a part in the clean-up process, and it will be easier for them to see the benefit.

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: "yes i am a DCS fan/supporter" }-
Hi Jooske!

Surprise surprise, that's really amazing us!:) ;)

[Snook]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, this thread is still alive, ALIVE I tell you...!!!:o

[TouchuvGrey]

Is there a gold medal for dead horse beating ?::)

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "Is there a gold medal for dead horse beating ?::)" }-

There is now! ;D

[Airking]

-{ Quote: "Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, this thread is still alive, ALIVE I tell you...!!!:o" }-

Gold lol *puppy*

[Mr.Blaze]

i should look for a tds 4 beta chances are if it ever exsisted its out there somewhere on the net and if its on the net even on a private server im get my hands on it and im post pics of it see what we got screwed out of

[no-idea4]

This is a test to see if my post gets zapped because I replied to a post in CryptoSuite and I mentioned tds4( in jest) and my post was zapped.8)

[Mr.Blaze]

;D zap us both zap us both lol

[Mr.Blaze]

;D Well why isnt tds free ware now

its discontinued i belive since you gave up on us and discontinued it

why shouldnt the world benifit frome it and reep the benifits.

id even go so far as makeing it open source.

i think if some one is willing to upload it on a server and include last def's and a free usser lic why not i mean you shouldnt care after all not to be mean or anything im not trying to be but you didnt care when you discontinued it and left alot out to hang you shouldnt care if every one dowenloads it and uses a fine kick but poroduct right.

its not like you plan on doing anything with it i mean you cant cause you breached the hell out of will lets just say walmarts buisness practices would be a walk in the park if people figured it out lol,

so why not free it

[Mr.Blaze]

;D every body picket with your sighns free tds free tds free tds lol

[nadirah]

Sadly, even before i could buy tds-3, it was discontinued!!! >:( At least i bought PG.
This software is top quality, if it was free, how good that would be, but too bad its discountinued.

[Jooske]

Many people bought it as a scanner, and exactly this part is not updated anymore.
The risk of false sense of security, false positives, missed malware with a not updated database, you can imagine the risks.
And demand for support will always be there.

Glad you still like the product, i have it still installed and use several of it's functions.

[Mr.Blaze]

not if you slap a logo on it that says this

dicontuned no longher suported dont call us we will call you

no suport in big red letters

disclamer in the eula

that says from here on its your ass dont bug us

lol

[BlueZannetti]

Two posts have been removed by me due to violation of the Terms of Service. (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/TOS-Privacy.html) Adhere to those terms or the posts will be removed and this thread will be closed.

Blue

[deviladvocate]

I guess the main reason for not releasing it free or open source is that, Diamond CS has nothing to gain from such a move.

It might even hurt sales, if someone manages to start a group to update TDS-3
since people might decide to use this TDS-3 (with open source development) rather than use one of Diamond CS's products, even though DiamondCS doesn't do antitrojans anymore. But the fact they have a free open source AT might make them less willing to shell out on other software.

[worldcitizen]

What is hard to fathom from a financial point of view is the complete discontinuance of TDS 3/4. I can hardly imagine that DCS would have done so if it weren't MORE PROFITABLE for them. I can't see that it was more profitable to cease TDS 3/4 in order to release new software, which was their original reason, (so that they could release more software) because that is just not happening - so I tend to believe that TDS 3/4 technology has been sold out to another company such as Symantec etc.

New releases have not speeded up with the termination of TDS 3/4 as we were led to believe so I tend to think that they sold their technology to another company. That would explain the lack of urgency in bringing out new programs because their bread and butter has already been paid for by a hefty sellout.

Let's face it, if DCS relied solely on new releases for food they would have starved to death long ago so they must have 'other sources' of income from the discontinuance of TDS 3/4 which were too lucrative to turn down for the petty sales they get from our small group.

'WITH' TDS 3, DCS were able to release Process Guard as well as version updates yet WITHOUT TDS 3/4 so far they have released no new programs in months so I don't buy the argument that dropping TDS 3/4 enabled DCS to release more software because they are releasing MUCH LESS than when they had the extra work of TDS 3 updates!!

We WILL get some releases by Christmas but they have been much slower coming without the burden of TDS 3/4 which should have given them much more time to get the software out quicker, so not having TDS 3/4 hasn't affected their efficiency - they are just as slow as ever to release and upgrade and we may never know the real reason TDS 3/4 was discontinued because they've had more than ample time and there's nothing new, yet they were able to release new programs while they were regularly updating TDS 3!!!

Dave

[peewee]

Is "more profitable" the same is "incurring fewer/less loss in both time & money?"

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "
their efficiency - they are just as slow as ever to release and upgrade and we may never know the real reason TDS 3/4 was discontinued because they've had more than ample time and there's nothing new, yet they were able to release new programs while they were regularly updating TDS 3!!!
Dave" }-
The answer is in "What has changed".........and it is only hidden in part....

[Carver]

I think some people asked when we first read that TDS-3/4 was canceled, then when we didn't get answer we started analizing Waynes business practices. He didn't respond for weeks and when he did, he acted as nothing had happened and the opinions of the people that bought TDS-3/4 didn't matter.

[Panther]

-{ Quote: "I think some people asked when we first read that TDS-3/4 was canceled, then when we didn't get answer we started analizing Waynes business practices. He didn't respond for weeks and when he did, he acted as nothing had happened and the opinions of the people that bought TDS-3/4 didn't matter." }-

With due respect: rubbish. Alternatives have been offered software-like for example.At times software companies have to make important decisions for good reasons. Looks to me, this is the case as for TDS. That said: In my humble opinion DCS should not have pulled the plug the way they have. Informing clients up front would have been the one and only way to go, marketing-wise.

Anyway, as I see it this thread in fact has become obsolete. All water under the brigde - no more, no less.

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "With due respect: rubbish.
No offence taken.

Informing clients up front would have been the one and only way to go, marketing-wise.
It is the way to go if Wayne wants to matain his client base of people who used TDS-3/4.

Anyway, as I see it this thread in fact has become obsolete. All water under the brigde - no more, no less." }-
With due respect: rubbish

[worldcitizen]

-{ Quote: "Is "more profitable" the same is "incurring fewer/less loss in both time & money?"" }-

The official reason given us for discontinuing TDS3/4 was that it would increase productivity and that hasn't happened. In fact DCS are slower than ever upgrading and releasing new stuff - even slower than when they had to look after TDS 3/4.

Even with TDS 3 updates they still managed to churn out Process Guard and many upgrades. They may be incurring less loss but that was not the main reason given - increased productivity was given as the main reason and that IS turning out to be a whole lot of RUBBISH.

Where are the new programs? Where is the new site and it's months since DCS's 'motto' - 'just around the corner' was announced throughout the land??

Dave

[fedupp]

I could have told you that. From day one, I have never taken their "just around the corner" seriously. I laugh at all the people that are waiting for an upgrade to Worm Guard...it will never happen. I have never seen such a sorry group of people. Remember everybody......TDS 4 and Wormguard 4 are "JUST AROUND THE CORNER", so hurry up and get your copy today!!!!!