Longhorn....huh??

[The Snowman]

As most of you know I have been away from the computer due to illness. While visiting here again I notice the mention of M$ Longhorn.......would someone kindly bring me up to date on this upcoming M$ security risk.

[The Snowman]

Never mind.....located the info:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134641541_microsoft26.html


Longhorn is going to be PURE SPYWARE at its best!!!
call-home auto updates...user perdictable behavior monitoring.....OUCH!!!!!!!

[Patrice]

Don't worry! This OS will be cracked/hacked as well until it's secure! There's no OS which you can't make secure. ;)

[root]

Hi Snowy. The main issue with Longhorn is that it will no longer be Window$ and Window$ applications will not run on it.
As an extra added incentive, you will have to put a quarter into the computer to play an MP3 and file sharing will have to be reinvented.
Before it ever hits the street it will be hacked, cracked, and spayed. People paying money for it will find they can no longer use their mind as Billyboy will probably figure out some way to have it autorun everytime you hit the start button.

[Detox]

-{ Quote: "Computers built around Longhorn also may look different. Microsoft is trying to play a bigger role in the design of computers by helping manufacturers build machines that make the most of its software." }-

What a load of crap - moving into the hardware arena? Must have.. more powerrrr!

-{ Quote: "Microsoft has sold more than 90 million copies of Windows XP since it was launched in October 2001, but that hasn't been enough to reinvigorate the PC industry." }-

Sure, soem of us don't want to have to hack and crack the thing until it's not "assimilated" to MS HQ! FFS

-{ Quote: "Those are being developed in conjunction with an online service that will provide Longhorn users with updates and improvements as they are developed.
" }-

We are one. Resistance is futile.

This means we could leave the best spyware outta the first version and say "spyware free" without regret and let the thing download the spyware from us after you hook up at home...


-{ Quote: "But Allchin bristled at the comparison. "Google's a very nice system, but compared to my vision, it's pathetic," he said." }-

This I'd like to see...


Now this last one TAKES the cake; when you get to the end I realized I didn't really need to read anything but the LAST paragraph to understand MS completely.......

-{ Quote: ""When you get into that new 'digital-original' kind of world, (you) need to go beyond security to this whole notion of trustworthiness," he said. "Not only am I trusting this computer with my pictures and my documents, but I'm actually trusting it with intimate details of my life."" }-

Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

[Pieter_Arntz]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Detox link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=0#56470 date=1051194016]
Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
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And so does M$. ;D (Given the chance)

[The Snowman]

Well the awear comments by everyone certainly made it clear that Longhorn is not being just going to jump into the arena without at least a few people knowing what to expect....
But our friend PIETER truely said it all: "MS does know what its doing" an I could not more fully agree.
Never under estimate the power and ability of M$. To do so would certainly be a grave mistake. You can bet your best pair of most comfortable dirty sneakers that M$ has a plan to force users to purchase Longhorn....read between the lines of that article.
Don't know about you folks....the abilty by the use of Longhorn to collect information and dominate that software industry.....implies serious invasion of privacy like something out of the twilight zone........don't take alot of effort to turn a computer speaker on remotely and monitor conversation in a room....sure just allow M$ to update automatically...outlandish comment....ok,

[Pieter_Arntz]

Hi snowy,

I´ve seen people happily bragging they were running something, that was supposed to be a Longhorn beta-release. I´m pretty sure it is only a tuned up XP version with all the newest gadgets.
It made me wonder how these things leak so easily....
Nuf said. Back to studying Linux. >:(

Be prepared,

Pieter

[The Snowman]

Pieter

defintely agree with you....very doubtful that longhorn has leaked out just yeah....would be interesting though. Say, did you notice the article comment that XP is just a tweaked copy of win 2k ?
Linux......already picked up some books LOL....got Mandrake and Knoppix months ago.....got the software to install six drives in just a few minutes......got Ghost to....an just arrogent enough to say "NO" to M$
There is an old saying: "if a man bends over to kiss another man's butt....he finds it very difficult to stand back up like a man"
Now I am just Joe Average trying to survive in a M$ dominate world.....but I dont bend at the waist..

The Snowman

[Pieter_Arntz]

-{ Quote: " quoting: The Snowman link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=0#56515 date=1051209954]
Say, did you notice the article comment that XP is just a tweaked copy of win 2k ?" }-
I´ve seen all kinds of comparisons on that, snowy.

"The fruits of the marriage between ME and Win2k" is the one that best describes Win XP Pro, I guess.
Never understood why they decided to market XP Home. ::)

-{ Quote: "
Linux......already picked up some books LOL....got Mandrake and Knoppix months ago.....got the software to install six drives in just a few minutes......got Ghost to....an just arrogent enough to say "NO" to M$
" }-
I´m beginning to get a tiny grip on Mandrake, which is a good distribution to start with. For us newbies... ;)
Kind of nice to experience that experimenting, discovering the world, newbie feeling again.
With all the mistakes that come with the territory. :D

Regards,

Pieter

[JacK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Pieter_Arntz link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=0#56517 date=1051210886]

"The fruits of the marriage between ME and Win2k" is the one that best describes Win XP Pro, I guess.
Never understood why they decided to market XP Home. ::)

-{ Quote: "
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Hello Pieter and evbd,

Just remember : WinXP is a 32 bits (or 64) No DOS at all : impossible to compare with non NT OS lol.

Of course, the kernell is based on Win2K in many points, but it is really a NEW OS, not like WinME which was just a bad Win98SE 3th edition ;)
Don't underestimate M$ and saying former programs will not run any longer on Longhorn is wrong : M$ is not that stupid :)

Don't trust meere gossips, wait and see ;) I am running Longhorn (b 4015) on a test machine ;)

Rgds, " }-

[The Snowman]

Pieter

please excuse the delay in my replies.....I;ve been jumping back and forth on ssl......business. Say, sure feels great sharing with you again.....yesterday I did get alittle exhusted posting....got to monitor myself these days.
Do you remember when ME was considered the "novice" os.....maybe still is....w2k still appears to me as the os to have......not impressed by XP.....experience users can work with XP but newbes seem to get stranded in limbo
Pieter I've been "making the newbes mistakes" while trying mandrake....an enjoying it. I'm not completely ready to use it on the internet...as a full time os..but eventually will. There is a question in my mind about the firewall issue......been told it has a firewall...been told it does not.....
when feeling better I will just go with using a seperate stand alone tower then network off it....the firewall for the tower "setting on floppy which has to be inserted" to the pc with os and firewall installed......all freeware by the way....picked up two old working towers at a flea mart sale for $5 each.........the tower os does not come into play...wont be used......sorry, not up to energy to go into details.....
Linux....found it slower...but tolarable.....compare to using trash like longhorn...flying a kite is tolarable....

snowy in slow mode

[The Snowman]

Jack

we posted at the same time..replieing. Jack, you are defintely an expert.....an have my respect certainly.....this thing with longhorn by M$ imo is M$ going much to far.....an no matter what Longhorn turns out to be....never will I use it.........normally never do I make a decision without being fully inform..longhorn will be the exception.


Snowy

[Pieter_Arntz]

Hi JacK,

Well aware of the differences. :)
I was referring more to the options they combined from both OS´es (f.e. System Restore).

-{ Quote: "Don't underestimate M$ and saying former programs will not run any longer on Longhorn is wrong : M$ is not that stupid " }-
They shouldn´t be, but I still wonder.

-{ Quote: "Don't trust meere gossips, wait and see I am running Longhorn (b 4015) on a test machine " }-
I´m sure you have, but are you sure it is anything like the Longhorn that will hit the market in the end (remember, approximately two years to go)

Snowy,

I did visit some portscan-sites using Mandrake. The difference due to not having countless services listening is amazing. ;)
All the main ports closed and that was with no firewall installed.

Regards,

Pieter

[The Snowman]

My last comment may yet be un-called for on the subject of Longhorn.........will remain openminded on this subject.
to clarify.....its not the longhorn os that bothers me..its the user tracking/privacy issues
can't seem to seperate the two

[The Snowman]

Pieter

wow, you are brave....I didn't get to the point of doing port scans.......truely grateful for you sharing that info....l
Pieter ever look at NETBOZ ? can't provide a url right now..sorry.

[Pieter_Arntz]

Hi snowy,

This one? http://www.netboz.net/
I haven´t looked at it yet. Still need my P2 for other testing.
Put it on my TODO list. (Almost as long as I am now :D )

Regards,

Pieter

[The Snowman]

Pieter

Yup...thats it......let me know what you think if ever you look into it.

Got to bail-out for awhile..beginning to feel weak.....will drop in later perhaps.

[JacK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: JacK link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=15#56536 date=1051216099]
-{ Quote: " quoting: The Snowman link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=0#56524 date=1051213729]


Jack

we posted at the same time..replieing. Jack, you are defintely an expert.....an have my respect certainly.....this thing with longhorn by M$ imo is M$ going much to far.....an no matter what Longhorn turns out to be....never will I use it.........normally never do I make a decision without being fully inform..longhorn will be the exception.


Snowy
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Hullo Snowy,

Don't overestimate me lol : I am just an advanced user who don't trust M$ at all, that's why I am alpha-tester for M$ OSs ;D

Even If Mickeysoft thinks so (they nominate me as Most valuable Professional) that 's a lye : it just a proof they are not trustable by Mickey$soft 8)

Rgds," }-

[JacK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Pieter_Arntz link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=0#56528 date=1051214540]

-{ Quote: "Don't trust meere gossips, wait and see I am running Longhorn (b 4015) on a test machine " }-
I´m sure you have, but are you sure it is anything like the Longhorn that will hit the market in the end (remember, approximately two years to go)
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Hullo Pieter,

Not at all but I shall know as I get all beta v ;)

Take my word I am not sold to M$ or anybody : if there are security or confidentiality issues, I shall find and denounce them publicly everywhere 8) : I am a big mouth ;D

Rgds,

[The Snowman]

* sorry guys..had to lay down briefly...*


Jack.

my observation in not an under-estimation...an credit is given were credit is due....your knowledge of computers is to be respected........the same applies to Pieter.....plus, as a person have always noted your honesty.....same with Pieter........these qualities are to be respected........over the years I gained a tremendous respect for Spy 1 due to those same qualities......there are others......but getting ot..
M$ is the bully on the block..but does it end there ? Bear in mind that M$ may have teamed with the three letter agencies to comple information....the word "may" some would say is out of place in that sentence....
Over the years the security community/privacy groups while always just one step behind M$ have still maintained/went toe to toe to protect privacy/repair poor M$ security.........what better way for M$ to gain the advantage again then by changing their os an causing the struggle to start over brand new with M$ in the lead. What better way for M$ to bankrupt the smaller software vendor or control their products.....according to the article.......if the M$ comments are factual then the ballgame starts all over and M$ makes the rules. We are seeing now attacks by M$ on open source.......court ruling force M$ to make way for Sun Java....but Sun Java wont work properly on some os/systems......courts ruled that M$ could not build an os that would restrict the use of Java.......longhorn does not come as a surprise at all.....was more than expected.....not because M$ suddenly decided to improve their os..oh no, instead because M$ is forced to comply with court orders......
But M$ wants to maintain the bullyboy status....at least for several years...by that time it made the money...just like in the past.......everybody will be forced to conform to longhorn...both users and software vendors.....an billyboybullyboy laughs all the way to the bank.
Defintely I will remain open-minded....awaiting comments from persons like yourself.......an, in the mean time...will prepare to move to linux just in case
This is not my preferred attitude.....the mis-trust of M$ was in-grained by M$ itself. An while I am not the brightest shinning star......once kicked in the @ss by m$ is enough .
Its kinda like this.....today I have a choice. The time was when M$ was basically the only "common user" os..M$ had built the better mousetrap....just right for for joe average and family..........but today....when the software/computer industry world wide is struggling to maintain market share......M$ is facing opposition...an I have a choice.........open-minded yes....wait for opinions of the experts yes..........an learning to exersize that choice if the need comes........

Regards

The Snowman

[JacK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: The Snowman link=board=9;threadid=8699;start=15#56558 date=1051224754]


* sorry guys..had to lay down briefly...*
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Hi Snowy,

Of course Bill's gang needs a close survey ;)

More and more people are reacting and looking for alternative OS andthat's good for everybody. M$ begins slowly ands reluctantly to unveil (part of) its code.
(BTW M$ VM is an old SUN JVM they go on patching till 01022003)

That's something else to watch : http://www.darpa.mil/iao/tiasystems.htm for instance and as you read E. Kaspersky's position about privacy (sorry I only have French ref), IMHO there is in it more to fear than from Mickey$oft as for now, at least.

Best regards,

[The Snowman]

Greetings Jack

Just read the info you provided....thank you for doing so......very interesting indeed

Snowy