New KAV 4.5 Personal/Pro Beta

[SKA]

Maybe of interest to some of you:

ftp://ftp.kasperskylab.ru/beta/KAVWindows/KAVPersonal/English/kavpers45beta_eng.exe

It's really Great to have AV Betatesters In The Wild !

SKA

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: SKA link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#55824 date=1050848211]
Maybe of interest to some of you:

>>> link to kaspersky beta removed <<<
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No thanks, I have already tested the Personal Pro beta-version 4.5, IMO no (major) changes to the recent official latest release, except that the Anti-Virus Monitor in the beta-version is very instabil.

Maybe beta-version 5 will bring some major changes?

[controler]

:o

It doesn't matter anyway. The link is bad.

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: controler link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#55945 date=1050881639]
:o

It doesn't matter anyway. The link is bad.
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You're right, I thought I had removed the link in my reply but I didn't, have changed my reply and removed the link.

[RaLX]

Link works here.

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: RaLX link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#55949 date=1050882004]
Link works here.
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I think you are misunderstanding Controler, the beta-version for Kaspersky Beta should not be announced in public.....

[RaLX]

Oops, yes I misunderstand. :P

[solarpowered candle]

Goes well for me, but Im lazy and still prefer the Lite :)

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Smokey link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#55925 date=1050877347]Maybe beta-version 5 will bring some major changes?
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It will. :) I have seen an alpha version of KAV 5 last month on Germany's CeBit show and I can tell you it is major change in handling (and as Eugene promised) also in usage of resources.

wizard

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: "-{ Quote: " quoting: wizard link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#56010 date=1050923089]
" }-

It will. :) I have seen an alpha version of KAV 5 last month on Germany's CeBit show and I can tell you it is major change in handling (and as Eugene promised) also in usage of resources.

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That is very good news for a lot of people including myself, IMO KAV is the best but really needed urgent the changes mentioned by you! :)

[solarpowered candle]

More info on kav 4.5 beta personal and pro
http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ea5f8620d47ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=38
It is very nice

[controler]

I downloaded my new Beta copy but it says it is clipped. Now where do i get my KEY ? ;D
Some very nice improvements indeed.

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: controler link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=0#56347 date=1051122230]
I downloaded my new Beta copy but it says it is clipped. Now where do i get my KEY ? ;D
Some very nice improvements indeed.

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Message by Kaspersky:

"Hi All, It has previously been posted but you are welcome to beta test latest Personal and Personal Pro versions using your existing version 4.0 keys."

[controler]

Well I don't have my existing key and furthermore the copy I installed caused my XP system to bog way down. Especialy after comming out of suspend mode. I therefore uninstalled it.

[Tinribs]

Similar results here, I gave it a whirl but was unimpressed,hopefully v5 will address these issues.

[root]

I'm really surprised guys. I had a terrible time with KAV 4.0 and above as it drug my system down to a crawl.
I have experienced no, nada, 0, zilch, not even a hint of a performance hit with KAV Pro 4.5 Beta.
I have Win2K SP3, 256 Megs ram on a Dell PIII 733 MHZ. Certainly no speedster by todays standard.
Anyway, I have heard from Alexey Kalgin, Product development manager that version 5 will have a pop3 client monitor and have heard that version 5 will be three times faster than version 4.
Some may not find it worth while, but if you have problems with the 4.5 beta, Kaspersky is looking for feedback and suggestions. Lisa posted the addys at the Iceland board.
I sent a suggestion to Kaspersky this morning and got a reply in half an hour.
For those that are happy with a pure AV, NOD32 is fine. For those of us that want our AV to catch everything it can catch, it is worth our while to help Kaspersky in developing the right product, I think.
There can never be too many good security software choices. The more the better.

[solarpowered candle]

Good post Root. KL have made rapid strides of recent months to communicate with the average pc user and to actually listen to there comments , which is a big thing .The fact that your comments are listened to and acted upon to improve the overall proformance of the Kav is very good and can only result in products that are constantly improved to make our lives on the net easier and more secure. Its not what shirt we wear as you say root , its helping towards having the best protection available to us ,and choices
new screenshot of the KAV5 http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ea9de0f63bcffff;act=ST;f=1;t=39

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: root link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=15#56780 date=1051310364]
I sent a suggestion to Kaspersky this morning and got a reply in half an hour.
For those that are happy with a pure AV, NOD32 is fine. For those of us that want our AV to catch everything it can catch, it is worth our while to help Kaspersky in developing the right product, I think.
There can never be too many good security software choices. The more the better.
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Hello Root!

Because IMO KAV is the best there is, I was willing to help Kaspersky in developing the right product, and fill-in the form found on their site to apply for beta testing participation.

Maybe you are a lucky guy and therefore you get an reply in half an hour, I am still waiting on their reply. :(

Therefore my interest to help them is already beyond.

[Blackcat]

Smokey,

Was this the main Russian site? I am still waiting for an e-mail response after 3 months!!! :'(

Some people have reported fairly quick responses but overall I have found their support to be very poor at the main Kaspersky site.

However, I would suggest strongly to use either their unofficail site;

http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi

or their UK site, where Lisa Clancy generally replies within minutes!!!!

As for beta testing, my view is that they use a very restricted number of people, particularly Russian, for testing and their beta-testing period is quite short.

I placed a post over at the unofficial site awhile back requesting that they consider a wider beta-testing team and they have released the beta over at the site, with contact addresses for report backs.

If Kaspersky had carried out sufficient beta-testing of KAV4 and AntiHacker they could have 'ironed out' a number of the problem areas found in the early releases.

From what I can see they are using the KAV4.5 as a stop-gap to iron out any teething problems so that KAV5 can be pushed out quickly sometime in the Summer/ Autumn.

They need experienced KAV users like yourself to help them develop even better products. Therefore, widen the beta-testing teams(s) and the period of beta-testing.

Look at the time of beta-testing and the people involved with Version 2 of NOD32. It is bound to be a good product!!!!

Let's hope they see the light!!!!

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Blackcat link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=15#56906 date=1051351643]
Smokey,

Was this the main Russian site? I am still waiting for an e-mail response after 3 months!!! :'(

Some people have reported fairly quick responses but overall I have found their support to be very poor at the main Kaspersky site.

However, I would suggest strongly to use either their unofficail site;

http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi

or their UK site, where Lisa Clancy generally replies within minutes!!!!

Let's hope they see the light!!!!
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I have fill-in the form on the site www.kaspersky.com, thanks for your suggestion but I will not use their "unofficial" site.

When Kaspersky is not able reply to people who are capable to test their products, my taste and interest is gone.

I spend rather my valuable time to companies which handles people serious.

[Blackcat]

Smokey

I hope you will reconsider your decision not to join the unofficial site.

Root, Tinribs, Fedorov, Solarpoweredcandle and others from wilders frequent this site and we have learned a lot.

Several of us, including myself have rarely received any adequate support from the main Kaspersky site and I would have given up on KAV4 without the help I received from the UK Kaspersky site and the 'unofficial site'.

In addition the 'official' forum site on the main Kaspersky page is a joke as no one from the company posts there. Whereas a number of Kaspersky people post over at the 'unofficial site'.

Hope you will reconsider.

[Tinribs]

Smokey, I understand and agree with your standpoint here, but if your reasons for not using the unnoficial site is because they are not an official mouthpiece dont worry, Kaspersky have a great customer rep there called Lisa who is very helpful and passes questions directly to those who can answer, and normally very quickly. :)

[Tinribs]

I notice the last registered user is a 'Smokey' :)
If its you Smokey I'm glad you're going to give them a chance to help :)

[controler]

I just got keys for both the personal & personal beta Pro
I feel KAV is a good product and they are trying very hard to produce one of the best AV's. Therfore I am downloadeing the beta again and going to give it a through working over.
Any company that takes the time to e-mail me a key to fully try out their product deserves much respect from me.

Thank You to the people at KAV

con

[Patrice]

Hi people!

Here some additional info about KAV 4.5 Personal Pro Beta which might be interesting to you:

Overall three processes are started at startup. The processes are:

-avpcc.exe (464 KB)
-avpm.exe (592 KB)
-avpcc.exe (464 KB)

I don't know why the process avpcc.exe is started two times, but there's certainly a good reason. In idle state, these processes use this amount of RAM:

-avpcc.exe (2'304 KB)
-avpm.exe (7'040 KB)
-avpcc.exe (2'372 KB)

Note that it was tested on a machine with Windows XP Pro installed, 1'100 MHZ, 256 MB RAM and 20 GB Harddisk.

Here the same data for Norton AntiVirus 2003, so that you can compare the above mentioned data:

Processes started at startup:

-ccEvtMgr.exe (320 KB)
-navapsvc.exe (116 KB)
-ccApp.exe (54 KB)

Used RAM in idle state:

-ccEvtMgr.exe (2'452 KB)
-navapsvc.exe (692 KB)
-ccApp.exe (6'596 KB)

NAV 2003 was installed on the same machine as above.

Hope that helps some of you! ;)

Best regards!

Patrice

[Karl_Menshy]

-{ Quote: "I don't know why the process avpcc.exe is started two times, but there's certainly a good reason. In idle state, these processes use this amount of RAM:" }-

I believe KAV starts several instances of its modules in order to establish some sort of mutual checking, so that malware cannot shutdown KAV without noticing. As far as I remember it is the same with v4 avpm.exe and if you terminate one process the other one complains that there was an unauthorized shutdown.

Although this sort of protecting scheme doesn't work all too well (you can shoot both instances faster than they'll notice...) it is certainly better than no protection at all.

[controler]

Latest install attempt

[root]

Well controler, there has to be a reason for that and I have not seen anyone else come up with that particular problem.
So, what on your system that is conflicting with KAVs install?
I am not saying there is anything wrong with your system, just where's the conflict? The original beta version of Outpost 2 did not work with KAV, but Agnitum got that fixed.
Have you reported this to betatest@kaspersky.com ? Perhaps the error message will mean something to them.
I know in the past, I have had problems with KAV being installed with another AV. I believe you also have Lockdown and it's possible there is a conflict there.
Being a supporter of KAV, my only interest is in making KAV a viable option for those that want to use it.
I really hope you can work with Kaspersky and get this sorted out. Lisa, at the Iceland board can also be a great help. :)

[controler]

Hi Root

I haver checked out the KAV Beta forum and also e-mailed Lisa.
I do have a lot of software installed at the moment.
I do not load Lockdown at startup. I will try dissabling some
processes before I try install it each time. I am sure the KAV team
will be of help.
I did see you making some posts at the KAV Forum ;D

I also think KAV is one fine AV

[wizard]

Tried the new 4.5 Pro beta. Works so far without problems on my current test system (Win2k/SP3). :)

wizard

[Tinribs]

Controller, I have also replied over at Kav UK forums, but have you got the latest VB runtime files installed? It may not help one bit but worth a shot!

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=FH;[LN];vbruntime&

[controler]

Thank you everybody

The problem was the left over files that I had not deleted.
The KAV Registry Cleaner Utility worked ;D
Lisa did post one registry entry to delete over at the KAV Forums but I guess that is not enough.

I am now having a problem installing the KEY Lisa sent me.
I tried adding it to the main KAV folder and I tried to install it and get
errors.
There isn't any place in the clipped version to add the KEY that I can see. I get the message of my version being a DEMO that has expired

[root]

Copy the key to Program Files\Common Files\KAV Shared Files and then doubleclick addkey.exe.
Reboot. ;)

[controler]

root When I look at KAV Help, about it shows my KEY
it says this is a trial for beta testing good till june 2003
but it does not allow auto updating.
I also have the same problem letting the monitor load automaticly.
It uses 100 percent of my CPU till I shut it down and restart it manualy

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Tinribs link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=15#57235 date=1051464009]
I notice the last registered user is a 'Smokey' :)
If its you Smokey I'm glad you're going to give them a chance to help :)
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Hi Tinribs!

Sorry for my very late reply, but I was 2 weeks in Turkye.

BTW: very nice country and very nice people!

I'm indeed the person, Smokey, you are pointing to! :)

[root]

And I'm sorry for not seeing Controlers post.
Where do you stand right now with KAV 4.5? Are you still using it?
I know Lisa was moving her office last week and so she is not going to be able to help until she gets settled in her new place, I imagine.
It is possible the key they sent you was just a temporary key for you to try it out. It is also possible that temp keys for betas do not allow for auto update........I don't know. I update manually every day myself.
The problem with bootup is almost surely KAV trying to start the same time as something else is trying to start. It tries to load very early in the boot sequence. I suggest you try checking load manually in the monitor properties and then put avpm.exe in the startup folder. That will delay KAV starting long enough to get away from that conflict, I think.

[krazykidjoe]

Hi, I tried version 4.5 and the bootup is very very slowwwwwwwwwww. It seems to drag on forever. It really slowed my system down. I'm using xp. Doe's anyone have an idea of what's going on? Thanks k

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: krazykidjoe link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=30#60151 date=1052783182]
Hi, I tried version 4.5 and the bootup is very very slowwwwwwwwwww. It seems to drag on forever. It really slowed my system down. I'm using xp. Doe's anyone have an idea of what's going on? Thanks k
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Are you using WinXP with Service Pack 1 or without? Has your system installed the Q811493 update?

wizard

[krazykidjoe]

wizard, I am using WinXP with Service Pack 1, but don't think I installed the Q811493 update yet. I'll go fetch it now if it's important..Thanks k

[wizard]

-{ Quote: "-{ Quote: " quoting: krazykidjoe link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=30#60301 date=1052854018]
wizard, I am using WinXP with Service Pack 1, but don't think I installed the Q811493 update yet. " }-

Okay. Do you have any other av programs or security tools like personal firewalls, at programs, etc. installed besites KAV? Which are your scan options for the monitor?

I'll go fetch it now if it's important..Thanks k
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No it's not important. I just asked that because this update could be the reason for slowdown of av programs.

wizard

[krazykidjoe]

Hi wizard, at the time I tried to run kav I had Trojan Hunter 3.5, cookie pal, spywareblaster, proxomitron, adsubtract, adaware, tds3 (trial) and ZoneAlarm.

At the moment, I have Trojan Hunter, cookie pal, proxomitron, spywareblaster, adaware, looknstop, avk as av and mcafee as on demand av.

Before I tried Kav, I was using NOD32 as my main and only av. Unistalled it again atm moment due to the lastest performance test by Nod32...Thanks for the help.

Also, I went to ms's website and it told me that had no updates available, but I still don't see the update you mentioned on my computer.

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: krazykidjoe link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=30#60304 date=1052855289]
Also, I went to ms's website and it told me that had no updates available, but I still don't see the update you mentioned on my computer.
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Hi krazykidjoe!

If you have used the M$ Windows Update function, and it told you there are no updates available, I assume the Hotfix Q811493 is already installed on your machine.
Like Wizard already explained, this Hotfix can be the reason for the slowdown.

Check it by using Add/Remove Programs in the Windows Control Panel, only when there is listed the "Windows XP Hotfix Q811493" you have installed the Hotfix.

[krazykidjoe]

Hi guys. This is really strange. When I view my system information in my computer, it says XP Pro Service Pack 1. When I go to add and remove, the hotfix's are (SP2) and Q811493 does not exist in windows folder or in add and remove programs. I'm really confused now..Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks k

[root]

M$ has begun calling hotfixes that come after a Service Pack has been released by the designation of the next SP release. In this case, all fixes released after SP1 are being called SP2 when the automatic updater is working.
I hate to go out on a limb and say delete SP2, but that is probably what you will have to do to get rid of that particular bad hotfix.
My wife has XP and I have the automatic downloading stopped. I believe you can still go to Windows update and download the ones you want one at a time, but I am not an expert in this area (or any other area) so take this as a guess.
With my security setup, not using IE, OE, or any of M$s proprietary crap, I am usually safe in waiting a while before downloading hotfixes as so many cause more trouble than do any good.
Maybe someone with more knowledge of M$s mysterious ways can help a little better here. I do believe you have that bad hotfix installed and that is what is causing your problems.

[krazykidjoe]

root, I unistalled AVK and reinstalled KAV 4.5. The only slowdown that I recognize is when booting up. It really drags. I have it running very smoothly. This version seems to be alot better on resources and scans faster also. I really liked AVK, but the resources were terrible on my machine. Who knows, I may still go back to it..LOL.. Thanks

[root]

Is Kav booting slowly on every boot? They know that the initial bootup after install is very slow, but after the initial bootup it should not be so bad.
Perhaps you could fool with the monitor settings a little bit and disable some of the monitoring to see if it improves.

[Technodrome]

Just a couple days ago I tried 4.5 beta and didn't see any improvement over 4.xxx. It only uses less memory but slow downs are still there. Lets hope that will change when this product is out of beta.


Technodrome

[krazykidjoe]

Technodrome, I was really liking Kav 4.5 beta, but had to unistall it. I couldn't boot down the computer any longer and it was really difficult booting up. I had to do several control alt deletes to get it to boot. Can't say I didn't try. Back to AVK..LOL..

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: root link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg61771 date=1053439388]
Is Kav booting slowly on every boot? They know that the initial bootup after install is very slow, but after the initial bootup it should not be so bad.
Perhaps you could fool with the monitor settings a little bit and disable some of the monitoring to see if it improves.
" }-

Hi Root!

In the beginning, at the first, second, third and and and install of KAV Beta v4.5, I had to solve several problems, like booting problems and starting up problems with the Monitor.

After a couple of days of very disappointing and unpredictable behaviour of the Beta version I have fixed all problems, KAV Beta is now running smoothly.

Praise the Lord! ;)

[root]

KAV 4.5 gold will be released the first part of July. It should be noticably faster than the earlier 4.XX versions.
Sadly it will probably be late summer for KAV 5.0 which promises to be significantly faster and will have a POP3 monitor, a long needed addition IMHO.

Glad you got it sorted out Smokey. It seems that KAV does best with a very clean install. Not unlike some Firewalls I could mention. ;D

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: root link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62842 date=1053819977]
Glad you got it sorted out Smokey. It seems that KAV does best with a very clean install. Not unlike some Firewalls I could mention. ;D
" }-

I only can and must agree with your remarks about the VERY clean install, that's indeed an important issue!

But, like you explained, KAV is not the only AV or Firewall with this particular clean install problem, is OK, otherwise we have no "serious" problems to solve! ;D

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: root link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62842 date=1053819977]Sadly it will probably be late summer for KAV 5.0 which promises to be significantly faster and will have a POP3 monitor, a long needed addition IMHO." }-

For KAV Users there is no real need for a pop3-scanner. IMHO EMail scanning itself is not really important for protection but it seems to be a huge gain for marketing. In Germany last year I read two reviews in pc magazines stating that KAV is unable to detect malware in email. Just because theses pc magazines writers with there fully Symantec-minded point of view on av software were to dumb to understand how KAV is handling email malware which is IMHO far more sophisticated than pure POP3-scanning.

wizard

[Smokey]

-{ Quote: " quoting: wizard link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62894 date=1053854920]
-{ Quote: " quoting: root link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62842 date=1053819977]Sadly it will probably be late summer for KAV 5.0 which promises to be significantly faster and will have a POP3 monitor, a long needed addition IMHO." }-

For KAV Users there is no real need for a pop3-scanner. IMHO EMail scanning itself is not really important for protection but it seems to be a huge gain for marketing. In Germany last year I read two reviews in pc magazines stating that KAV is unable to detect malware in email. Just because theses pc magazines writers with there fully Symantec-minded point of view on av software were to dumb to understand how KAV is handling email malware which is IMHO far more sophisticated than pure POP3-scanning.

wizard
" }-

Most German pc magazines are rubbish.

IMO there is just one positive exception: the c't magazine.

[wizard]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Smokey link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62902 date=1053858195]IMO there is just one positive exception: the c't magazine.
" }-

But not when it comes to Windows security topics. In this area the c't writes now also mainly garbage. Sad to say but today there is no good pc magazine left on the German market.

wizard

[Technodrome]

-{ Quote: " quoting: wizard link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg62913 date=1053862106]
Sad to say but today there is no good pc magazine left on the German market.
" }-

Not just Germany, but USA, UK, etc. Subscriptions and advertisements keep them alive.


Technodrome

[solarpowered candle]

Iv been playing around with the 4.5 personal beta and I put it on "easy" settings . Man its fast . and like velvet 8)
Im only running on 128 rams and a 98 se .
And even flowing through the the Start menu Programs -not even a drag

[TAG97]

-{ Quote: " quoting: solarpowered candle link=board=24;threadid=8618;start=45#msg64518 date=1054731732]
Iv been playing around with the 4.5 personal beta and I put it on "easy" settings . Man its fast . and like velvet 8)
Im only running on 128 rams and a 98 se .
And even flowing through the the Start menu Programs -not even a drag
" }-
Could you explain the easy settings a little more? Are you referring to the installation ? Or are you referring to setting up the Monitor? I took the 4.5 beta out of resident because it just slow down everything. I did noticed that the beta scan faster than previous 4 versions. I had two false positives (which were fixed in the last cumlative update) pick up by Kav and scan the files with 4 other antivirus programs and still thought they could be a real virus till I got aconfirmation from Kaspersky that they were false positives :) If Version 5 does what they claim I'll Use it as my main Antivirus and use the others as backups on both my PCs. I just have much more confidence in Kaspersky.

[solarpowered candle]

Hi TAG, I at installation used "easy setting "
And have left it at that . However there are a few very good threads at the kav ice forum with options that work really well .

http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ede5d532b9affff;act=ST;f=1;t=28

http://forums.useice.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ede5d532b9affff;act=ST;f=1;t=29