Norton vs NOD32

[krizz]

actually which one is better??? right now i'm using norton, but NOD32 is becoming more n more popular, from the official website i read the features of NOD32, it looks like better than norton, is it? i really want to try it, but can i use it together witn norton??? (please answer)

[benny1]

hi nod32 is 100 more times better than norton ( one of the worst av ), just test it and you will see.

[Blackspear]

Hi Krizz, welcome to Wilders.

As your question is not a Nod32 support issue, I will move this to Other Anti-viruses.

Cheers

Blackspear.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "actually which one is better??? right now i'm using norton, but NOD32 is becoming more n more popular, from the official website i read the features of NOD32, it looks like better than norton, is it? i really want to try it, but can i use it together witn norton??? (please answer)" }-krizz,

Installing any other AV with Norton on the system is asking for difficulty. I wouldn't recommend it.

My personal take on Norton is that it is an excellent demand scanner with average proactive characteristics. Overall, it is an excellent product aside from the historical instability of the LiveUpdate module. Virtually every problem that I've experience with Norton on my own and work machines seems tied to problems which at some point were traceable to LiveUpdate. It is the only product I've ever used which required a periodic reinstall to get updating back on track. It has been during these periods, when LiveUpdate was no longer working and I wasn't paying sufficient attention, that my systems were vulnerable and problems arose.

Even though many tests have Norton catching a few more samples than NOD32, I vastly prefer NOD32 due to overall program stability, lower destabilizing impact on other processes, never having a problem keeping NOD32 updated, and better proactive detection characteristics.

Blue

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "hi nod32 is 100 more times better than norton ( one of the worst av ), just test it and you will see." }-
The real problem with Norton is that it's recource hungry... But there are more AV's with this issue... There is like a big anti-norton spirit on this forum, and that's not totally honost...
The detection rates of Norton are good, like we see in the latest AV-comparatives, ofcource NOD32's pro-active detection is better, but honost we've to agree Norton doesn't totally fail there neither (like TrendMicro does OMG)...

So what's important is were you feel good with, and above all, wich one you understand... Norton is n00b proof, everybody can use it, that can't be said of some other programs floating around... If you are at a university or at a big company you can try inform if you can use Symantec AntiVirus Corporate or McAfee VirusScan Enterprise...

Ofcource Norton has his downside, every AV has... And I'm not saying or praising Norton neither... But we've to watch out not falling in some anti-spirit for some programs!!!

[Notok]

I second all that BlueZanetti says, very reliable, and add that it's very light on system resources with unbeatable heuristics and proactive detection methods. I say give it a try, you won't be disappointed. You will need to remove Norton first, though. After uninstalling through Add/Remove Programs, I highly recommend using the cleanup tool mentioned HERE (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=76182&highlight=norton).

[ronjor]

Krizz

Your post was removed. We don't discuss warez, cracks, and malware on Wilders.

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[Triple Helix]

::) Norton? Norton Who? We that use NOD32 love it!! Norton? Norton Who?::)


Cheers::) :P

[Randy_Bell]

-{ Quote: "::) Norton? Norton Who? " }-It's the one with the Big Yellow logo and approx. 90% U.S. desktop-av market, 80% worldwide market. Other than that, a rather obscure product which I'm sure you would not have come across or heard of .. ;D ;D ;D

[Triple Helix]

-{ Quote: "It's the one with the Big Yellow logo and approx. 90% U.S. desktop-av market, 80% worldwide market. Other than that, a rather obscure product which I'm sure you would not have come across or heard of .. ;D ;D ;D" }-

It was ment to be sarcastic!! He He;D I had Nothing but problems with Norton slowed down my system letting Viruses throught!!

My system runs faster with all the Security programs that I use now then when I had Norton? Norton Who?:o :o :o :o :o :o

Cheers ;D

[Randy_Bell]

-{ Quote: "It was ment to be sarcastic!! He He;D I had Nothing but problems with Norton slowed down my system letting Viruses throught!!" }-Same here, counter sarcasm with sarcasm. ;D I've never had any probs with NAV, it has never let any viruses through, doesn't slow down any of my three PCs. Just because one person has a negative experience with Product-X doesn't mean everyone has had the same experience. :) :o No offense but I get tired of the anti-Norton sentiment on this Board, it isn't fair nor is it representative of the user-community-at-large; IMHO if all this negativity [prejudice] was representative of everyone's experience, then obviously NAV would not be able to maintain the market share it has .. each to his own. ::) ;) In closing, permit me to quote my colleague from above:
-{ Quote: "There is like a big anti-norton spirit on this forum, and that's not totally honost... {{~Snipped~}} .. Ofcource Norton has his downside, every AV has... And I'm not saying or praising Norton neither... But we've to watch out not falling in some anti-spirit for some programs!!!" }-{Last bolding and italics emphasis is mine} .. 8) ;) :)

[Firecat]

Well, I would like to add that I myself used Norton for two years, and it was quite good at malware detection.

What I didnt like, was the price (and program upgrade system too), the slowdown and the lack of registry disinfection upon detection of malware (I hated that with TrendMicro as well - with Trend I had to manually download something to remove the reg entries).

It has good detection, though :)

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "No offense but I get tired of the anti-Norton sentiment on this Board, it isn't fair nor is it representative of the user-community-at-large; IMHO if all this negativity [prejudice] was representative of everyone's experience, then obviously NAV would not be able to maintain the market share it has .. each to his own." }-Randy,

I don't believe this board has an aggressive anti-Norton sentiment, nor would I expect the views expressed here to be always reflective of the user community at large. It's too small of a group.

What I do think is that you are seeing Nortons sizeable market share at work. While there are some first-time AV buyers, many people come here looking for another AV option. By shear dint of numbers, the majority of these folks will have, at one time or another, used Norton. For whatever reason, Norton didn't fit and other options are on the table.

If asked for an opinion, their comments will invariably be tinged with negative items. After all, many of these folks have switched to a competing product. I wouldn't expect a former user of a product to actively promote it to other people. On the other hand, many of the negative comments that I see here and elsewhere are clearly ludicrous, conflict with the objective facts available to anyone willing to look, and should be dismissed out of hand.

Let's keep all of this in perspective - we're talking about programs. The emotional battles waged on this front frankly baffle me. I use what works for me, recognize it won't work for everyone, and understand that some programs I've rejected for my own use may work, or perhaps may even be preferred, for others. If I have negative comments, I attempt to frame them around my direct experience using specific examples.

As I noted above, Norton is an excellent product overall. I believe that it has some issues, although I don't know of any AV product that doesn't.

Blue

[RejZoR]

Norton is good,but as any other AV it needs improvements. Some are more important,other less.

[Zender]

-{ Quote: "Norton is good,but as any other AV it needs improvements. Some are more important,other less." }-According to Andreas Marx latest Chip tests, Norton and McAfee are the 2 worst AV in the world, in place 10 & 11 of 11 tested programs. :)

http://www.chip.de/artikel/c1_artikelunterseite_15048575.html?tid1=&tid2=

[RejZoR]

Funny chart :o AVG free on second place? Nah...

[Randy_Bell]

I meant no disrespect to anyone; actually this Board seems "mild" compared to the anti-Norton atmosphere I left at another [unnamed] Board ~8 months ago. It seems to have become fashionable in security circles to bash NAV; some of that may be deserved [higher resource usage on some systems, poorer tech-support, etc.]; but some of it is just because NAV-bashing has become a "popular" or "chic" thing to do, IMHO.

I prefer to focus on positives rather than negatives. That is why you'll search in vain to see me making strong negative or polemic statements against competing security products I don't use. Along those lines, let me say that [I think] NOD32's greatest strengths are: light footprint; ease of installation [and uninstallation]; and scanning speed. I would especially recommend NOD or Dr.Web on older [slower] PC's where resource demands are more an issue; but of course I'm sure NOD32 works very well on newer PCs too. The detection rate between the two AVs [Norton and NOD] seems pretty close.

Take Care, and as I said, "each to his own" -- after all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and sometimes there is no accounting for tastes [mine included]. ;D ;D

[Huwge]

Iswitched from Norton to NOD. I will never go back. Biggest problem was getting rid of all the remnants of Norton.

[Acadia]

-{ Quote: "
I don't believe this board has an aggressive anti-Norton sentiment" }-
Well, this board use to, has it changed? Rather recently a regular user of this board PM'd me a question about using Norton ... he was afraid of asking the question in the open for fear of being flamed for using Norton; that is NOT what Wilders is all about. I indeed hope that this has changed.

My opinion of Norton: excellent, excellent virus scanner; poor tech support; average in speed, definitely not as fast as NOD; big download, but not as big as another popular AV in this group; hard to uninstall.

Acadia

[clansman77]

i am a computer user who started with norton and i believe almost 90% of all puter users out there start with norton.as a novice at that time i believed there was only 2 antivirus programs out there -norton and mcafee,and among that only norton is really good,coz so many people use it.if at all there was any other scanner available it would be substandard-this was my belief-coz they dont advertise,nobody is heard of them etc ,etc..after a while, a month or so,the auto update stopped working,and i failed to recognise that.(well i didnt knew what quarantine/disinfect etc means in term of computer viruses at that time)i was told that norton will autoupdate and u just had to do ondemand scans with it thats all..
then i decided to try out a privacy software that was free and ended up formatting my comp..norton didnt recognised the virus as i was told by the tech probably coz the autoupdate was not working.so this was the enlightening moment for me .then only i started more research into computer security and stuff like that and recognized there was much more better products suited for me and i also learned how to handle an antivirus program and a firewall and other security related apps..

i think most people are like this.they start with norton ,ignorant about its usage
and believing it will protect u automatically without any user interaction at all.

i am sure if i try norton again now i will be safe and can prevent an infection.but there are other considerations like resource usage and stability of liveupdate etc..so i am off to other betterr products..at least better for me..

i believe anyone using internet nowadays should know about basic computer security like handling an antivirus and a firewall.thats mandatory..

[Randy_Bell]

-{ Quote: "i think most people are like this.they start with norton ,ignorant about its usage
and believing it will protect u automatically without any user interaction at all.

i am sure if i try norton again now i will be safe and can prevent an infection.but there are other considerations like resource usage and stability of liveupdate etc..so i am off to other betterr products..at least better for me..

i believe anyone using internet nowadays should know about basic computer security like handling an antivirus and a firewall.thats mandatory.." }-Well Said, and I think there are two over-generalizations and extemes which should be avoided:

1. Because a product is ubiquitous [dominates the market], it must be the best;

and the opposite extreme,

2. Because a product is ubiquitous [dominates the market], it must be mediocre, "for the masses", and not a good product from a technical standpoint.

Both extremes contain faulty reasoning; the only way to determine a product's worth for you [as you said] is to experiment, try it out, even do some comparisons; that is why a free market is such a healthy and good thing, because in a free market, winners and losers are determined based on merits [competition], and not based on the imposed opinion(s) of an "elite".

There are several good AV solutions out there and, as you say, no AV will protect you if you are not security-savvy, at least if you are not intimate enough with your product so as to keep it updated and make sure it is functioning normally; an AV that isn't being kept up-to-date is of course almost worthless, although a product like NOD32's Advanced Heuristics are impressive and I suppose can temporarily "cover" for lack of signatures.

But I for one still trust good signatures for malware detection, although obviously heuristics, artificial intelligence, etc. are going to play an increasingly important role in the near future.

Thanks for your comments .. ;)

[zcv]

I dual boot two XP installations and run NOD and NAV2005 respectively.

If it came down to using just one, I would opt for NOD.

One reason is the resourse usage, however, if one has a fairly fast system and has plenty of memory, that recedes.

What I apperciate about NOD more anything else is the ability to control the parts, unlike NAV which whether you want to monitor the firewall or NOT for instance, will still run the firewall monitor execute. As a matter of fact, 2005 runs all it's parts, whether they are disabled or not; it just calls in another monitor to query the options and then turns them off, but keeps the bits running, truely irriting.

What I appreciate about NAV, it simply has never let me down - I've never been infected in any serious form since I began using 2001.

Have been using NOD for the last 3 years and again, same - never have been infected.

Regards - Charles

[bpm3k]

I started with NAV2000, upgraded to NAV 2001, upgraded to NAV 2002, upgraded to NAV 2003, upgraded to NAV 2004, and i am currently using NAV 2005.

I have never had any problems. I feel for the price it is the BEST AV. I bought it in 2000 for $20, and then every year it is offered free after upgrade rebate. So I paid $20, five years ago and every year I get the newest and greatest. I am looking forward to getting 2006 for free.

I update Norton every day with Intelligent Updater. (http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/defs.download.html)

If I was to pay for another AV I would get Kaspersky.

[controler]

It is not a matter of which Av anymore, it is a matter of which suite PERIOD.

If you have phishing & java, & activex & wb pages with not the correct link, that is more important then a simple Av now days.

How do you get infected now days? Um Duh? yea e-mail or a malformed web page.
or a loop hole in Av , AT, Firewall.

Stop thinking narrow minded please?

con

[bpilati]

100 times better than Norton? You measured it? That's total 100% crap. Norton is superior to all other AV programs. It catches everything that is catchable. Don't let anyone tell you different. All these other programs are Norton wannabes. I've used Norton products for years at home and at work. They make good stuff. And I'm not scared to say it here. End of story.

[bpilati]

-{ Quote: "According to Andreas Marx latest Chip tests, Norton and McAfee are the 2 worst AV in the world, in place 10 & 11 of 11 tested programs. :)

http://www.chip.de/artikel/c1_artikelunterseite_15048575.html?tid1=&tid2=" }-
Oh, well let's all buy Andreas Marx AV program. What did he/her write? Just as I thought. Oh yes, let's trust the Germans to tell us which AV software to use? I suppose theirs is better? Of course the two worst programs, how believeable is that? Think man!

[zcv]

-{ Quote: "It is not a matter of which Av anymore, it is a matter of which suite PERIOD.
" }-
Hello Contoler,

Don't like suites which are only as strong as it's weakest part.

There are other tools for what you mention.

Regards - Charles

[mvdu]

Norton is a good scanner, but it is not superior to Kaspersky's protection. I'd put it up with any other AV, though, including NOD32 - I'd use NAV over NOD and maybe use BitDefender Free for some extra on-demand heuristic ability.

[webyourbusiness]

blue hit the nail on the head with his stability/liveupdate issues - we were begrudging Norton users until we discovered NOD32 - became impressed enough to want to spread the word and have NEVER looked back...

other posters have mentioned suites - we have a number of tools we run - so do others here... I wouldn't recommend ANY single solution, and I personally don't think you get any system/overhead savings from sticking with any one vendor... ask in the spyware forums for combos of tools that run together well, or look in the sigs of some of the regular posters - they'll have their current toolset in some circumstances.

We run a suite of tools that run from commercial degragmenter, NOD32, a number of freeware tools that help with any number of things - from ccleaner to remove the garbage, to SpyBotSD and SpywareBlaster. Combine these with both hardware AND software firewalls and you might start to think you're safe - I'm not sure you can ever be 100% safe, but layering your protection will help... read on... lots of opinions will be found here though... good luck!