bitdefender adding lots of defenitions now!!!

[clansman77]

i just made an observation about bitdefender,i dont know whether i am wrong.its just my observation..

bitdefender is adding lots of defenitions right now per update. today the total defenitions are 141368,while for kaspersky its 126020 today with xbases.. about 1-2 months ago when bitdefender defenition count reached 100000,kaspersky had about 112000 or so..it has surpassed kaspersky now..

today i got an update of 1400kb containing about 1500 defenitions.(in 2 days)
so its good news..considering the unpacking support it has and the wide database now it possess and the forthcoming hive technology regarding heuristics,i think bitdefender is coming to the top spot..

hope that they also correct some update problems experienced by some of our users..

also can somebody confirm this?has anybody noticed this??
;D

[IBK]

Yes, they are adding lot of stuff they missed in the last February test of av-comparatives. If they continue this way, they will score quite good in August.

[Nika]

me notic too, BitDefender doin good.

[meneer]

-{ Quote: "Yes, they are adding lot of stuff they missed in the last February test of av-comparatives. If they continue this way, they will score quite good in August." }-I don't buy this... if the results are related to the sheer number of signatures, compared to Kaspersky, then Bitdefender will probably score more than 100%.. KAV reached 99.65 %, Bitdefender got to 94%. So with 15 % more signatures uhhhmmm. There must be some other factor to influence the effictiveness of a scanner, right?

[IBK]

Do not rely to much on number of virus records please
http://download.nai.com/products/mcafee-avert/WhitePapers/Shades0fGray_Anti-Spyware_Technical_Whitepaper0205v1.pdf
BDF added >15.000 samples in 3 months, the number of virus defs can not be used for any calculation IMO, as it could also be that they just added exact detection for some samples that were detected by heuristic or generic detection before.

[Grumble]

I have noticed bitdefender adding many new definitions for weeks now, particularly trojans and trojan downloaders. Not a scientific observation, but a casual one, whenever I check on new KAV & BD defs added to GData AVK the BD ones generally seem to be more.

[iwod]

My only hopes is that they improve their free scanner. No services for On demand scanner.

[Firecat]

I have been noticing that the partial implementation of HIVE has helped BD a lot at jotti's with "behaveslike" detections.

If this is what a partial implementation can do, the full HIVE is going to be wonderful!

The full HIVE heuristics engine can even intercept system calls.

Regards,
Firecat ;D

[Firefighter]

-{ Quote: "I have been noticing that the partial implementation of HIVE has helped BD a lot at jotti's with "behaveslike" detections.

If this is what a partial implementation can do, the full HIVE is going to be wonderful!

The full HIVE heuristics engine can even intercept system calls.

Regards,
Firecat ;D" }-Just now BitDefender 8.0 Std by passed Ewido (1638/1755) against my 1755 trojanlike samples, scoring 1647/1755, ten more than two days ago. Total scoring now 3400/3665 and against "Common PC Protection" level, without riskware, 3200/3378 (94.7 %), not bad. Already 22 detections more than McAfee VSE 8.0i with ASPy module had two weeks ago in "Common PC Protection" level.

Best regards,
Firefighter!

[Firecat]

Well, BD's turning out to be great!!!! I'm sure more inclined now to BD than NOD.....Hmm...

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "I have noticed bitdefender adding many new definitions for weeks now, particularly trojans and trojan downloaders. Not a scientific observation, but a casual one, whenever I check on new KAV & BD defs added to GData AVK the BD ones generally seem to be more." }-

There has also been a significant increase in the frequency of BitDefender updates with GDATA AVK, not as frequent as the KAV updates (more or less hourly), but much, much closer.

[Firecat]

Once HIVE is fully implemented, I'm sure many people will want GDATA AVK.....:)

[Just wondering]

Firecat

Do ya ever think you will be able to make up your mind....you seem to be
swayed almost hourly.......he he he

[GregoryHarie]

-{ Quote: "Firecat

Do ya ever think you will be able to make up your mind....you seem to be
swayed almost hourly.......he he he" }-
That also could be a good thing. Means all the AV companies are competing.

[rothko]

-{ Quote: "Firecat

Do ya ever think you will be able to make up your mind....you seem to be
swayed almost hourly.......he he he" }-

;D i was just about to post the same thing commment 'Just wondering'!

one minute he is Bitdefender, then he is NOD32, the cat can't make up his mind!! Come to the NOD32 camp, its great over here - we have everything you need, and never have cause to complain!!
The problem is, you wait for something new to come out, then it comes out, and then there is always something newer on its way soon after...that's the beauty/annoyance of computing!

lee

[Happy Bytes]

-{ Quote: ";D i was just about to post the same thing commment 'Just wondering'!

one minute he is Bitdefender, then he is NOD32, the cat can't make up his mind!! Come to the NOD32 camp, its great over here - we have everything you need, and never have cause to complain!!
The problem is, you wait for something new to come out, then it comes out, and then there is always something newer on its way soon after...that's the beauty/annoyance of computing!

lee" }-


Yes correct.
I remember the times when firecat was a betatesting Arcavir fan....
What's about this?
Arcavir isnt't that bad - it has just messed up with fileextensions during last VB test - otherwise it's looking good so far for arcavir!
Heuristics could be improved, but hey, atleast arcavir has a better heuristic than symantec, trend and even kaspersky. Regarding Kasperksy i'm not speaking about generic detections like RDbot-based - only heuristics.

Firecat is a nice guy, but doesnt have a deep knownledge about antivirus technologies therfore he is unsure what to use/what to buy.

[Firecat]

For now, its gonna be what is currently being, i.e. ArcaVir.

Hehe...and dont worry, I still am an ArcaVir fanboy :D

OK...I think its time to go download an AT. Thats all I need alongside ArcaVir.

ArcaVir lacks some professional tests. Thats why I feel a bit unsure of it.

Firecat ;D

Now, do any of you know where stormbyte (Mariusz) is? I need to ask him a few questions (about ArcaVir of course ;D)....About the 2006 beta :)

Dont worry this is final :)

[Diver]

In the last AV Comparatives test several AV publishers showed a very large improvement in detection percentages. I guess they have relized that people read and make purchasing decissions based on those tests.

Some of this may also be an awakening to the fact that a lot of the most dangerous malware is no longer self replicating. A few AV publishers have taken the position that a program has to be self replicating to be a virus and deserve a place in its signature database.

The question is whether Bitdefender is simply playing catch up from a known selection of malware, or are they going to be maintaining their AV with the latest and greatest malware signatures.

My conclusion is this is a good development, not just at Bitdefender, but also for Eset and Symantec. It would be nice if the spread in detection performance among major AV's becomes smaller than it has been in the past.

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "Yes correct.
I remember the times when firecat was a betatesting Arcavir fan....
What's about this?
Arcavir isnt't that bad - it has just messed up with fileextensions during last VB test......." }-


Thanks for that.... Mariusz said, "It was more then incorrect settings. Right now I'm not at liberty to say anything about it..."

[Firecat]

in fact, just now I PMed Mariusz a bug report.....the betatesting days are not over yet! ;D

[SDS909]

Interesting.. BitDefender was on my shortlist of AV's I really liked. However I encountered some bugs and software issues with it. But I did find it exceptionally light - almost as light as Dr.Web.

If they continue to improve it, I might be tempted to try it out. I notice many people change AV's at the drop of the hat. I tend to stick with the same one - as long as it does the job and is super lightweight and never conflicts with anything, i'm happy. ;-)

[Firecat]

Well I have decided to stick to my current AV you know......

[Graystoke]

I can relate to what has been said about Firecat. I'm probably a salesman's dream come true. ;D

I think I have tried and/or purchased just about every AV out there. I have a terrible time making up my mind. ??? At the moment I own two AV licenses. BitDefender and NOD32. I'm getting tired of switching back and forth. I'm going to have to make up my mind or go completely insane. :P Of course my wife believes I've already reached that stage. ;D

[clansman77]

now within 2 days 3400 defenitions added!!!

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "now within 2 days 3400 defenitions added!!!" }-
:o:o:o

WOW!!!!!!!!!!

[SDS909]

The problem I had with BitDefender was its use of AppInit injection for its AV. I don't like AV's that are involved with every process running, or that will run.

I think it adds to system instability.

Did they change that way of operating? I've had nothing but bad luck with AppInit products on any systems here.

[waters]

Sunday,and hundreds of defenitions added today

[quexx88]

Man, if they just trim their code a little bit I'll have to give this one a serious look :o

[SDS909]

The sad part, is everytime theres a new thread about XYZ Antivirus, 2000 people run out and buy the talked about one, and then we have 10 more threads about the AV starting up over the next few weeks.

Why are people so fickle about AV's? I can install a competant AV, be happy, and not really even think about it all daily. While I know people that change AV's almost weekly.

o.O

[waters]

Virus signatures are 145873 and every day i get well over 1000 signatures

[no13]

could it be that these defs are just spyware/"misc" malware defs ?

do they have a NOD styled list?

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "Virus signatures are 145873 and every day i get well over 1000 signatures" }-

Something is going on, that's for sure. In the past six days, GDATA AVK has increased the signatures of Bdf by around 10,000 (from 135890 to 145873).

[no13]

-{ Quote: "Something is going on, that's for sure. In the past six days, GDATA AVK has increased the signatures of Bdf by around 10,000 (from 135890 to 145873)." }-
maybe BD guys forgot HOW to count?

just a thought... could be some programming error... you know... wrong decimal place styled?

Or maybe they were goofing off the past year, and now that the management is lighting campfires under their b**** seats, they're probably rushing to fill in old and new defs?

I don't know WHAT to believe.

questions :::::

do these updates hold for BD Free?

does the free version have HIVE ?

[clansman77]

i think the updates are for every version including the free..somebody using the freeversion pls confirm..

[Ianb]

Just updated my free version and it says 145873 Known Viruses.

I don't think too much can be read into that (even though they are in the top 5 detection wise) IMO.

[clansman77]

got about 1200 sigs today..they are adding about 1000-1300 defenitions a day for quite a while..when i started using this av about 6 months back it was about 100-300 defenitions a day.i am waiting for some tests to see the difference...

[SDS909]

I use Safe'n'Sec, which has BitDefender 8.0 On-Demand built in. Today I downloaded a 3MB update to the AV portion of Safe'n'Sec..

Thats amazing! I feel so good having Dr'Web on-access/on-demand, and BitDefender on-demand only (inside Safe'n'Sec). AWESOME combo.

[Mele20]

-{ Quote: "Just updated my free version and it says 145873 Known Viruses.

I don't think too much can be read into that (even though they are in the top 5 detection wise) IMO." }-

417 more have been added. Total now 146,290. I've been getting updates at least 3 times a day for some time now with the free version.

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: "I can relate to what has been said about Firecat. I'm probably a salesman's dream come true. I think I have tried and/or purchased just about every AV out there." }-
Me, too. I am an AV junkie. Right now I am eagerly awaiting the on-coming flood of Chinese AV's. Perhaps by the year of the Dog (January 29, 2006). *puppy*

Kung hee fat choy!

[clansman77]

i am waiting for a test by firefighter to know how much impact has this sudden spurt in defenitions caused with respect to bitdefender..

[TeknO]

-{ Quote: "i am waiting for a test by firefighter to know how much impact has this sudden spurt in defenitions caused with respect to bitdefender.." }-
Me too ;)

[waters]

This must be unheard of.
Has anyone asked support why these huge updates,and why so often.
Isee nod users post ,well done eset on one large update.

[Firefighter]

-{ Quote: "Me too ;)" }-On 23:th March 2005 BitDefender detected 87.6 % against my 3348 "Common PC Protection" of samples (= without riskware). Today on 28:th April 2005 Bitdefender detected 94.1 % against my 3378 "Common PC Protection" of samples.

DrWeb 4.32b with ASpy Beta defs detected today 89.8 % against my 3378 "Common PC Protection" of samples.

Best regards,
Firefighter!

[Firecat]

:o

WOW! BD doin' great!

[TeknO]

-{ Quote: "On 23:th March 2005 BitDefender detected 87.6 % against my 3348 "Common PC Protecton" of samples (= without riskware). Today on 28:th April 2005 Bitdefender detected 94.1 % against my 3378 "Common PC Protecton" of samples.

DrWeb 4.32b with ASpy Beta defs detected today 89.8 % against my 3378 "Common PC Protecton" of samples.

Best regards,
Firefighter!" }-
Thanks a lot @Firefighter.
I will be very glad if i see your comparison table for other antiviruses.
Best regards,
TeknO

[clansman77]

thanks firefighter.glad that bd is doin great..

[Howard]

Good to see that the flurry of signature updating has apparently had a positive effect, although I note that, unlike KAV, Bdf has had no signature updates with GDATA AVK since Tuesday April 26

[Firefighter]

BitDefender seems to have much better detection now than about 5 weeks ago. Unfortunately my DrWeb's SpiderGuard wasn't able to load at start up when I had BDF 7.2 free installed in my PC too, so I uninstalled that BDF 7.2 Free.

Just now I have NOD 2.50.7 Beta, AntiVir 6.30 and Vba32 as my backup av:s to DrWeb 4.32b with no problems.

Best regards,
Firefighter!

[f434]

How NOD32 score in your test Fire?

[Firefighter]

-{ Quote: "How NOD32 score in your test Fire?" }-Just now finalized my categorizing with NOD because it was now able to delete infected archives, against those 3378 "Common PC Protection" of samples NOD 2.50.7 Beta scored today 87.1 %. So it's about the same level as DrWeb 4.32b, within the error margin, but has clearly better trojan like protection than DrWeb.

The price of NOD licence is still too high for me compared to my DrWeb licence renewal, 16.18 €.

Best regards,
Firefighter!

[waters]

Haward something must be wrong with your update because bit is still updateing the same .
April 29th 149152

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "Haward something must be wrong with your update because bit is still updateing the same .
April 29th 149152" }-

I get Bdf via GDATA AVK and they haven't updated the sigs for Bdf since the 26th. You can check for yourself here - look for BD entries http://www.antiviruslab.com/newentries.php?lang=gb

[Firecat]

Hmm....try tomorrow. You might get an update or two, the European companies often like to slip in for two-day holidays ;D

[waters]

Sinse the 26th bit has updated with the same frequency.

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "Hmm....try tomorrow. You might get an update or two, the European companies often like to slip in for two-day holidays ;D" }-

I try every hour ;D (that seems a reasonable schedule for the KAV updates with GDATA; checks Bdf at same time, of course)

This isn't a problem for me as it is quite clear KAV is in there before Bdf. Indeed, I am not sure I experience any benefits at all having two engines; it sounds good, i.e., better than one, but in practice? Perhaps if I was a higher risk and had Trojans banging at the door continuously I would see more benefit, but I very rarely encounter any of this nasty stuff - and that isn't a problem for me either :)

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "Sinse the 26th bit has updated with the same frequency." }-

Yes, this wasn't intended as a negative commment by me on Bdf; GDATA AVK has these silent moments - nothing is perfect :)

[mercurie]

I really have not noted any change in updates on my bit free. :-\

[Firecat]

Only GDATA AVK is having update problems - not BitDefender itself :)

[Howard]

-{ Quote: "Only GDATA AVK is having update problems - not BitDefender itself :)" }-

Sorry for any confusion, none intended. FWIW, Bdf with GDATA AVK has updated once since April 26th, at 29/04/2005 21:11 (I check hourly, so precise update time will vary). I don't think Bdf with GDATA AVK ever updated regularly over a weekend, so I expect it will be a while before it does so again.

[chia]

Was just looking at GData's page for today and WOW :o

http://www.antiviruslab.com/newentries.php?lang=gb

My question is did regular Bit Defender users get this same massive update or is it some backlogging on GData's part? 6600+ new sigs for BD is pretty massive.

[Just wondering]

A bit back BD was adding definitions like crazy...it now stands at 174901
GData may just be catching up.

[chia]

Another big update for AVK today. I guess BD is doing some spring cleaning on their signature base...it's currently down to 167203.

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "Another big update for AVK today. I guess BD is doing some spring cleaning on their signature base...it's currently down to 167203." }-
I contacted SoftWIN about this, and they said the replaced many signatures with generic or family signatures :)

[chia]

Good to know, thanks for the scoop StyleWarz.