Alternative Browsers

[the Tester]

Hi

I didn't list any IE- based browsers.The reason for that is IE is most common and I figured a browser based on IE would be compatable with most web-sites.

Which browser have you found to be the most compatable with the web sites that you normally visit?
By " compatable" I mean regarding access,pages displaying properly, functionality(for instance,can you post in a forum with no bugs?).

I think this is an interesting subject since I am always looking for an alternative to M$ programs(IE)

When I look at a browser as a prospect for my system,compatability is a big part of the equation for me.Speed enters into that also,but not as much.

[meneer]

Nice topic indeed.

I voted for Opera 7.01, but was tempted to vote for Phoenix. That's one browser to follow closely.
I love Opera. Mighty quick, small, what more can you ask. O yeah, I don't seem to get it to do this java stuff correctly. Must be my own fault, because otherwise it's very good.

[the Tester]

Meneer,

I really like Phoenix.
It's "light" and fast.
Something like Opera.Less features though.

I'm comparing Mozilla and Phoenix.
I like them both,but haven't decided which is more website compatable yet.They both are better than I expected on that issue. :)

[Tinribs]

I use Kmeleon with the Mozilla 1.3 back end coded into it replacing the 1.2 that comes as standard, its very light, fast and very easily hacked about.
Before that I was a Phoenix user and before that a devout Moz fan, its gecko all the way!! ;)

Kev

[I_lack_commonsense]

I voted for mozilla 1.21 (hope 1.3 final comes out soon).

I am currently trying out Opera 7.01 but it is dead slow on my XP computer.

I definitely like Opera for all the security and privacy features but it had problems rendering a few pages. Overall mozilla seems like a better fit for my needs. The only complaint that i have about mozilla is having to go to 3 different areas to clean history, cache, and cookies in preferences. In Opera you can click the option delete private data and have all those areas checked and u r clear. Love that feature, wish mozilla could ummm borrow it ;)

[solarpowered candle]

Im using phoenix, its nice an light and really easy to use .So its good for me. :)

[the Tester]

I agree about Phoenix 100%!

It's really light on resources.
While it has less features than Mozilla,I can't part with it.
It is fast.

I haven't found any compatability problems with the sites that I use on a regular basis.Mozilla and Phoenix are equal on that issue for me.
I did have a few problems with page rendering when I used Opera.There were two sites that caused minor annoyance.My responses to posts didn't show on Opera.It shows with any other browser I have used.And no, this forum wasn't one of those sites. ;)

[Uguel707]

Hi !

I have Crazy Browser. It has many tools and device to accomodate your surfing:

1. A pop-up filter--swallows these P-US like the li'l baby below-- ;D ;D ;D
2. Unable/disable Java or Activex scripts.
3. Page Translation: over than 19 languages--
4. Shut unwanted windows or unable them as u like it
5. Opportunity to add more components
6. Works along with IE
7. Just a few bugs have occured (3 in 5 months)
8. Easy browsing

Not a "fast" browser but a very convenient one. :) Uguel

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[crockett]

:)Hi Guys...

Tester, following what I just read on this thread, I decided to give Phoenix a try... Looks rather impressive I must say !

Not many features, but all the fundamental and necessary ones seem to be present. I'll use it for a couple of days before making my mind about it...

Any previous threads regarding this browser ?

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[the Tester]

HI Crockett.

I heard about Phoenix at the spywareinfo forum.

The version that I have is 0.5.
I haven't had any stability problems with it.
I've been monitoring resource usage and Phoenix is very light.
On my system,Phoenix is in Opera's league as far as speed.
I'm a bit surprised by that.
This is my first exposure to the Mozilla family of browsers.
One thing that Mozilla has over Phoenix is access to POP mail accounts.
That feature is really smooth!!!

I seldom use IE or myIE2 anymore. ;)

[crockett]

Hello again...

Internet Explorer I don't even remember what it may look like :D I tried Mozilla a couple of months ago and was pleased, despite some webpages not being displayed correctly at the time. I also thought it was kind of overweight and too resource-consuming on my system...

I stopped using Mozilla because of my love for Opera. Having said that, I've always admired the work ethic the Mozilla team is manifesting. Seems now that Phoenix is embedded with the Mozilla qualities AND extremely fast speed and lightness !

Can't wait to receive some other users's impressions, good or bad, about this browser so I can get to know it better.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[solarpowered candle]

I have been having a lot of fun playing around with the mozilla 1.2.1 and Phoenix0.5 and Kmeolon . The K meolon is definitely the fastest I think on my pc. I find it really a lot of fun and most interesting learning about the diffirent ways one can change there browser. I dont think there are many earlier threads about mozilla and pheonix and k meolon here , but Im sure someone will prove me wrong lol I was reading that they are working on a mail account , as mozilla has, for Pheonix which will really make Pheonix an excellent browser . :)

[Tinribs]

There are a couple of email clients underway but dont hold your breath, also they wont be included in Phoenix compiles, Phoenix is a browser only and adding bloat via an email client is counterproductive to its aim.
And another thing, it wont be called Phoenix for much longer ;)


Those interested in its develop and a very useful forum for all gecko based browsers on all o/s can visit http://www.mozillazine.org/

[solarpowered candle]

Gee Tinriibs I was reading in the FAQ http://texturizer.net/phoenix/faq.html#1.9 that Phoenix is a web browser only, not a complete web solution. However, the Phoenix developers are actually working on a standalone mail/news client which will also be based on the Mozilla codebase. It will be designed to have a similar user interface as Phoenix. Blake Ross, one of the Phoenix developers, has posted a note on MozillaZine about the new project, called Thunderbird. Has this changed in recent days? It would be a shame i feel as the k meolon is a sleek fast no frills browser and the pheonix sort of inbetween Mozilla and kmeolon For anyone interested the forum for mozilla and pheonix ( new name as Tinribs says to be soon decided) is http://www.mozillazine.org/forums

[the Tester]

Hmmm.

K-meoleon huh?
I saw that browser listed at webattack.
Never looked at it closely though.
I'll check that browser out .

;D I ran across IEradicator lately.
I'm seriously thinking about dumping IE altogether.
I use it less and less as I run the alternative browsers that I have installed.

A new name for Phoenix?
That's interesting.Some of the names mentioned in that link are cool.

[the Tester]

You K-Meleon fans were right .

I installed it with the fast loader feature.
I'm impressed!This "Lizard" is fast!

It's a little harder to change skins with K-Meleon,but the skins are fast downloads.

I'm going to get familiar with this browser and run it some more.

It's a little awkward getting used to setting it up.
The pages are rendering nice though.

I see what you meant by "light" on resources.

This is a cool browser with some potential.

[solarpowered candle]

Yea I just decided to dump my IE as well with iradicator http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html You talked me into it tester :) Wasnt sure what would happen if I deleted it , but absolutely nothing except Im free of a lot of hassles now and a lot more space on my pc. And rebooted into launching off with k meolon Journey well
8)

[the Tester]

I checked out IEradicator.
I can't find a version that is compatable with XP. :(

I understand that sp1 for XP allows the removal of IE,but there aint no way I'm taking that on my pc.

I haven't found any other IE removal program from a Google search....Yet!

[Daniel SR]

Netscape 7.1 browser and mail.

[bigc73542]

I am running a stripped version of mozilla1.5. It doesn't seem to have an page problems that I have noticed. Seems to work about as well as IE.

[RJ100]

Hello all, :)

Well right now I'm trying the Mozilla Firebird 0.7 browser and
I can't believe what I've been missing. That is compared to IE6.0
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
This tab browsing is a must have for multiple pages active.
Work strictly as stand alone. Delete the folder and its gone.
The speed is noticable right off the bat.
Security is much better.
Built in pop-up blocker and a raft of other useful features.

I guess the other neat thing is, you basically get the default
browser and if you want more features, simply go to the
extensions page and just add what you like.

Man, this almost sounds like an add....... :o

Take care

[bigc73542]

I tried firebird but it had a few issues I didn't like on this computer with it. But the minimum install of mozilla is just about the same as firebird but I don't have negative issues to contend with. Maybe I will be able to use firebird after they get it out of beta. :)

[bigc73542]

I just downloaded opera 7.22 and gave it a test drive. I think I will stick with mozilla, they are both excellent browsers but to me mozilla is the easier of the two to use and configure

[crockett]

{QUOTE-> quoting: bigc73542 link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=15#msg99679 date=1068258398]
to me mozilla is the easier of the two to use and configure
<-QUOTE}

Hi :)

Hope you're doing fine. Mozilla clearly a very good choice.

As far as easiness to configure is concerned, I nevertheless have to slightly disagree with you...

Running Opera, by single-clicking the 'security icon' I immediately get the panel shown below... Fast direct access to any core element of the browser's configuration.

[crockett]

Should I press F4 in Opera I'll get the Hotlist Menu showed in next screenshot... Note all the features I instantly can access this way, among which mail client, bookmarks, links, etc. Of course, the Bookmaks list I also can access directly on the Main Navigation Bar...

At any time, hitting F12 gives me immediate access to the 'Quick Preferences' menu, enabling me to one-click switch between accept/deny cookies, enable/disable JvS, enable/disable Java, Referrers, Proxy servers, popups and so on...

BTW, if I want to go back one page in History, I don't hit anything, since holding the right mouse button and making a small gesture to the left does the trick. Forward needs a right gesture, 'reload' a small up-and-down gesture, etc.

Vintage Opera. That's rather cool to say the least...

[crockett]

And when exiting Opera, I select (takes me two clicks) the panel shown below to keep, edit or erase the surf elements... Of course, I can also edit while surfing, without exiting at all.

I can appreciate this might seem rather surprising to anyone not used to the simple/fast/intelligent Opera characteristics...

See, three small posts and you're almost as good at it as any veteran Opera user. :D For anyone interested, a few screenshots about the Opera cookie management features you can find in http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=14890

To make a long story short, that's not exactly what one might call difficult to configure - and at the same time I do reiterate what I said earlier - Mozilla a very good choice also.

BTW, Mozilla 1.6 alpha available for testing at www.mozilla.org.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[sig]

Tester: to remove IE from XP you need the payware XP lite. They don't have a standalone tool for XP IE removal.

There may be something else out there by someone else for this purpose but I am not aware of it.

[JayK]

I'm not a big fan of Firebird for that reason.

[AAP]

Hello,To all

Hmmm just one thing i like to ask you
all would i need to Uninstall IE to try this

Opera/Mozilla Firebird 0.7 or is there
a way that i can download one of them
& run it over IE not sure that is the right
word to use well someone let me know

oh someone asked about Uninstalling IE
not sure this is the info you where looking
for but have a look for your self

How to Uninstall Internet Explorer 6 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q293907)

Thank you

[crockett]

Hello AAP :)

Don't go try and uninstall Internet Explorer if you're not sure what you're doing or if you don't have specific reasons to get rid of it.

No need to change anything on your system to download and try Opera and/or Firebird.

These three different browsers don't interact with each other.

Three browsers on one system is no problem at all. Three firewalls would be (firewalls tend to exclude one another and fight for supremacy on a system - browsers do not).

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[AAP]

Hello,Crockett

Thanks for taking the time to reply i just
downloaded that Mozilla Firebird 0.7 i will
run that first to see if i like it or not hehe

again thank you

Good luck

Hi,Paul ;D

[libbo1]

Yup, keep IE. U need it sumtimes! and . . . u gotta have it for Win updates ( unless u go to the alternative sites and pik em urself!!)

[crockett]

{QUOTE-> quoting: AAP link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100119 date=1068409621]
Thanks for taking the time to reply i just
downloaded that Mozilla Firebird 0.7 i will
run that first to see if i like it or not hehe
Paul ;D <-QUOTE}

Hello again... ;)

Don't forget to configure FB using Tools/Options and then to run it against pcflank's Quick Test to see if fit.

http://www.pcflank.com/test.htm

Hi Libbo :)

How's the weather in Florida ?! Magnificent full moon over here... Still so impressive !

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[AAP]

Hey,Crockett

Wow where was i when they put this out
i love this Mozilla FB did as you said all is good
but for this here

Attention! Your browser is not private. Privacy is 50%
While visiting web sites your browser sends information about previous sites you have visited.

Recommendation:
Install a personal firewall program. If you already have a firewall, adjust it to block this information.

not sure how one would fix this problem
any idea at all well have a good one

Hi,Paul

[crockett]

Hi ;)

Referrers problem, I would guess.

There's a specific procedure to disable referrers in FireBird. Hope JayK is gonna jump back in soon and describe it to you... FireBird is JayK's specialty.

Meanwhile, why not try your hands on Opera ?! Free download at http://www.opera.com/download/

See you soon...

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[JayK]

{QUOTE-> quoting: Crockett link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100177 date=1068422595]
Hi ;)

Referrers problem, I would guess.

There's a specific procedure to disable referrers in FireBird. Hope JayK is gonna jump back in soon and describe it to you... FireBird is JayK's specialty.

<-QUOTE}

Not quite, I'm *not* a big fan of Firebird.

[JayK]

For the record here's the answer

Type about:config . Look for (use filter) network.http.sendRefererHeader and right click on it, select modify and change it to 0.

Note this generates a blank referrers, a (very) few sites will bar you from entering due to that.

[AAP]

Hello,JayK

Thanks for taking the time to help may i
ask why you say I'm *not* a big fan of Firebird.
is there something you know anything bad

about this or do you think there is something
better i could use in it's place if so please tell

you have a great day

Good luck

[AplusWebMaster]

;) Anyone familiar enough with the Avant browser to give it a good critique, or recommendation, or not?
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

[bigc73542]

I tried avant for about a week and it isn't to bad. It has a few security settings and the ability to check mail from the desktop. You can specify which mail program is default . But it is only a skin for internet explorer. I liked it better than IE but I would recomend firebird, opera or mozilla.

[JayK]

{QUOTE-> quoting: AplusWebMaster link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100420 date=1068509180]
;) Anyone familiar enough with the Avant browser to give it a good critique, or recommendation, or not?
http://www.avantbrowser.com/


<-QUOTE}

The only thing you need to know (security wise) is that it is a IE shell. That speaks volumes.

[DougRees]

I use Firebird (formerly Phoenix) 0.7 as my primary browser, and before that used Mozilla. There are a few pages that require IE, but it hasn't been much of a problem.

People really should give alternative browsers (primarily Gecko or Opera-based) a chance, since there's an awful lot of useful stuff they can do that IE can't. I find that I can surf the web about twice as fast with Firebird as I can with IE--and I don't have dozens of popups staring me in the face.

Another browser I like is 1X--made by a group called Science Travellers International in Australia. It's about the smallest browser I know of (fits on a single floppy), and really does a pretty good job. No java, but everything else is there.

[crockett]

Hi DougRees :)

I just read the few last posts you made on this BBForum and found them rather interesting, not to mention this nice little touch of humor I really appreciate.

I hope we'll see more of you around here.

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[JayK]

Hmm the answer to the poll question "What browser is most site-compatable" seems to be obvious.

Internet Explorer!

BTW what's mozilla 3?

[JayK]

{QUOTE-> quoting: AAP link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100326 date=1068485896]
Hello,JayK

Thanks for taking the time to help may i
ask why you say I'm *not* a big fan of Firebird.
is there something you know anything bad


<-QUOTE}

Nothing bad, security wise anyway. Just useability and interface issues.

[Prince_Serendip]

;D Do you mean compatible as in the number of websites available to it, or ease and speed of use at said websites?

After using Opera 7.11 for several weeks, I love it. It is compatible with MS IE sites and is as fast as using a broadband connection. I'm on DSL. ;)

Also, Hello to Jay K! ~waving~ :)

[JayK]

{QUOTE-> quoting: Prince_Serendip link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=45#msg101772 date=1068999472]

Also, Hello to Jay K! ~waving~ :)
<-QUOTE}

Hello Prince_Serendip,

<waves back like an idiot>.

[crockett]

{QUOTE-> quoting: Prince_Serendip link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=45#msg101772 date=1068999472]
After using Opera 7.11 for several weeks, I love it. It is compatible with MS IE sites and is as fast as using a broadband connection. I'm on DSL. ;) <-QUOTE}

Hi Prince'... :)

You mean Opera 7.22, right ?! If still on 7.11, might a really good idea to upgrade to 7.22 Final, if only for security reasons...

BTW, hope you're doing fine ! :D Which software are you most passionate about right now, whatever the field may be ? Trying your hands on any new piece of security software ?! Just curious :) [Must be the cat in me ;)]

Rgds, Crockett 8)

[MickeyTheMan]

{QUOTE-> quoting: libbo1 link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100121 date=1068410104]
Yup, keep IE. U need it sumtimes! and . . . u gotta have it for Win updates ( unless u go to the alternative sites and pik em urself!!)
<-QUOTE}
Not so. I use MyIe and have no problem getting windows updates

[JayK]

{QUOTE-> quoting: MickeyTheMan link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=45#msg101903 date=1069033307]
{QUOTE-> quoting: libbo1 link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=30#msg100121 date=1068410104]
Yup, keep IE. U need it sumtimes! and . . . u gotta have it for Win updates ( unless u go to the alternative sites and pik em urself!!)
<-QUOTE}
Not so. I use MyIe and have no problem getting windows updates
<-QUOTE}

The second quote doesn't really contradict the first.

[tepi]

{QUOTE-> quoting: meneer link=board=19;threadid=7267;start=0#msg49578 date=1046091611]
Nice topic indeed.

I voted for Opera 7.01, but was tempted to vote for Phoenix. That's one browser to follow closely.
I love Opera. Mighty quick, small, what more can you ask. O yeah, I don't seem to get it to do this java stuff correctly. Must be my own fault, because otherwise it's very good.

<-QUOTE}

Interesting. Although for a while I thought I could, I find now that I can't get java to work properly when using either Netscape 7.1 or Firebird 0.7 with java enabled. Only in java-enabled IE does double-clicking smilies bring them up. I begin to wish Wilders had never plumped for this java stuff. Normally I keep it disabled because I always thought it was a security hazard.

Cheers