nod32 and kav?????

[zfactor]

i know this topic probably has been beaten to death. but i am new to both. i have tried both trials and really do like different things about both of these.
with all of the "improvments" eset says they have made when i spoke to them the other day regarding trojans and malware i seem to only see results in this regard if imon is enabled??? if i disable imon and try to download quite a few various "test" trojans; not the trojan simulator either; it just doesnt seem to really detect that much???? i do have it set to "maxximum protection" as everyone says to do here on the forum.

on the other hand kav detects almost everything i have thrown at it with seeming ease, but it just seems to be a resource hog. i have been told by kaspersky this is in regards to the istreams. can this be disabled??? i know i can set it to not use it for scanning but will this infact make a large performance difference?? and if so what about the detection rates? will these also go down because of the tagging not being added???

i am ready to purchase one of these but ??????????????? man they just keep making this decision harder. i know it may be a repeated question but if anyone has some suggestions thanks in advance

[hollywoodpc]

I will not suggest one or the other . People will do that here and cause you some confusion . Bottom line is this : Both are very good at what they do . INW detection is excellent . Signatures and update frequency are excellent . It comes down to KAV maybe being slightly better overall but , not by much . The trade off is , for the slight edge , KAV is resource hungry . Not only at scanning but , when booting your computer . NOD is extremely light yet , is one of the best AV programs available . If you like them both , that is what to decide . Will KAV give you more protection ? If so , it would be negligible . The difference in resource usage is HUGE . As a matter of fact , I have tried KAV many times . It has yet to get better on resource usage . With NOD , I dare say you do not even know if it is running . One other thing . Very small but , a difference . I never saw where KAV actually puts a foot note on incoming and outgoing mail STATING it was scanned as NOD does . Not a big deal to most but , bothersome to me . Maybe KAV does this but , I did not see it . So , there it is . Tough decision . I wish you good luck in your quest .

[zfactor]

how significant is the slow down compared to nod32??? i have done a clean install on my other system and i really hate to go install then uninstall numerous programs???
just a question i tried downloading some actuall trojans from places i can get them. nod32 stopped me from downloading them and asked if i want to disconnect etc... this was with imon on. when i disabled imon and actually COULD fully download them from the various sites i then did a scan on my computer and nod32 failed to find all but 2 of them i tried in the zipped format .rar and .zip and them actually extracted them to their own folder in a separate partion and nod still failed to find them??? just curious. meanwhile kav found all of these at the page same as nod, but turning off kav; then downloading them; as soon as i turned kav back on it immediatly found them before i had a chance to do anything?? any insight would be greatfull. i really do like nod but now i am slightly concerned of it effectivness?? thanks

[INTOXSICKATED]

nod32 and kav are probably the 2 best av's out there right now. really, you can't go wrong with either one. personally, i was in the same boat you're in now a couple months ago. i decided to go with nod32 because i just felt it ran better on my sytem with the programs i have installed, and i liked the fact that i could get help right here at wilders. never doubted my decision, and i feel well protected having it installed on my computer. but having trialed both already, i think you already know which one you like better. go with your gut feeling.

and eventho hollywood would not suggest one or the other, look at his signature, he's using nod too. ;)

[zfactor]

i did some checking on my other system ram usage for nod just over 14mb?
kav would get to 22+ sometimes but rarely ever reached 12mb only when updating and scanning would i see a drastic slowdown. almost bring my pc to a crawl. but just browsing and downloading i dont see any real difference.
boot up times suck with kav. what about my previous question regarding the istreams anyone answer that.

can it be shhut down and if so #1 will this make it faster less of a hog, #2 will it hurt the detection rates?? thanks again

[zfactor]

yes that is exactly what i followed i even went back and double checked all of my settings.

[Stan999]

-{ Quote: "yes that is exactly what i followed i even went back and double checked all of my settings." }-

Sorry, I had deleated my post when I went back and reread your post that you had set it up correctly just before you replied.

I have both NOD32 and a KAV AV (F-Secure) on different machines.
Running both I actually prefer NOD32 due to its Advance Heuristics
and zero-day infections. Also the IMON HTTP scanner that can stop
infections from even downloading to your machine. Also the very light
CPU usage.

However, both are very good, IMHO.

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: " on the other hand kav detects almost everything i have thrown at it with seeming ease, but it just seems to be a resource hog." }-
It may obviously be your system. For example, KAV is conflicting with your other software/hardware. If this is the case, then you will not need to make a decision, you will have to go with NOD.

But otherwise try and give KAV a fair trial by carrying out the following.

1. Try and install on a relatively 'clean' system.

2. Ensure any other AV's are uninstalled not disabled, while trying KAV.

3. If you do not accept the default settings for KAV, the performance hit, IMHO, on my systems, seems to be fairly light. Try some performance tweaks here, in particular turn off the IDS module and the startup scan; http://www.ice-kav.com/kavtun.php.
-{ Quote: " i am ready to purchase one of these but ??????????????? man they just keep making this decision harder. i know it may be a repeated question but if anyone has some suggestions thanks in advance" }-
If KAV now seems to run a little lighter now, then it is a personal choice between these 2 AV's.

[q1aqza]

My own non-technical perception/opinion of these two AVs.

On-demand detection. I've been using NOD32 quite happily for a while now but on my test partition I recently decided to give KAV 5 Personal a try. Without the extended database it didn't find anything that NOD didn't - i.e. both completed clean scans with no nasties found. Tried KAV5 again with the extended databases and it found a few items of malware, nothing too serious but worth clearing off my PC.
On that basis I (personally) trust KAV's on-demand detection more. 1-0 to KAV.

Resident protection. There is a website that I came across that tries to force a dialer install, NOD32's IMON stopped it before it could download and gave option to terminate, went on the same site on my test partition using KAV 5 and KAV resident caught it when the .exe hit the browser cache. Both were effective but you can't help feel more comfortable knowing that your AV will stop it before it hits your hard drive. On this basis I prefer NOD32 for realtime internet surfing protection. Point to NOD, 1-1 now.

On resource usage, I find NOD much faster/lighter on startup but once all is up and running I found KAV runs lighter - on my set up NOD32 uses 14-16 MB with the odd peak up to the late teens, whilst KAV uses between 9-12, with the odd peak up to early 20 MB. The KAV slow startup is frustrating especially as there is nothing obvious telling you that KAV is busy, maybe a splash screen would at least make it obvious that KAV is still busy rather than the user trying to launch applications and seeing nothing happen until KAV has finished it's startup. So NOD is leaner on start up, KAV seems leaner in operation so I make this one a draw a point each. 2-2 now.

Updates. I think NOD32 updates are poor, often server failure errors and sometimes only one update for a few days. KAV updates are robust and reliable and frequent upates, usually a few times a day. Point to KAV on this one. 3-2 to KAV.

Day zero threats. Not being technical I just go by what I read on this forum that NOD32 advance heuristics are pretty much unsurpassed. I don't even know if KAV uses heuristics ?? I have never personally witnessed NOD32 adv heuristics in action but I have to go with what I've read. So point to NOD32. 3-3 now.

Scanning speed. NOD is much faster but I can't help feeling that KAV is far more thorough. Apart from test purposes, my full system scans are at times when I don't need to use the PC, so the slower scan time of KAV doesn't bother me, plus it will do auto shutdown if you set it running before going to bed for instance. So for me a point to KAV on this one. 4-3 to KAV. (If you prefer speed then obviously the point goes to NOD)

Manufacturer Tech Support. Not had to use either so no comment from me. Both seem to have lots of stuff covered in user forums.

Installation/configuration. Thanks to Blackspear's guide I, like many others, have been able to tweak NOD to get the highest protection levels. KAV 5 is dead easy using sliders. For completely non technical people KAV 5 is much simpler. Another point to KAV. 5-3 to KAV. (Although I love the big red NOD32 GUI when it finds a nasty!!)

In conclusion, I really like both, I personally believe these are the best two paid AVs out there for the home user, corporate may be a different matter. Apart that KAV won on points in my 'noddy' comparison, I just can't help feeling that I feel a little bit more 'safe' using KAV compared to NOD. Again just to re-iterate, my post is very much perception and opinion based and not technical using defined test criteria.

[zfactor]

i guess you are right in saying that one person may feel different than another. i to seem to feel like you do regarding feeling somewhat safer than with nod32. i just really like the nod program better. even though most say it is so much harder to set up i come from an ibm backround and find it refrshing to "feel" like i can set it up so i know how each item works, where with kav as you said just simple sliders it does have some adjustment but really very minimal when in comparison to nod. they really didnt make this decision easy; and being i have to decide here as both my trials are almost up; i geuss i could format agin and retry them but im sure i still will be wondering if i should have gone the other way.

you said kav seems to run lighter once it is up?? is this just looking at the ram numbers or are you talking about actual system performance???

[RejZoR]

The KAV is almost as configurable as NOD32. You just have to click correct button to get more options :P

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "The KAV is almost as configurable as NOD32. You just have to click correct button to get more options :P" }-
And dont forget KAV 4.5 :P :)

[zfactor]

so pretty much are you guys all saying that nod would equal kav in virus detection? and how well long term does it deal with removing them from your system or does it usually make you remove them manually like some "other" av programs. it makes it so confusing seeing all these reviews saying nod did not fair at all well against kav (av comparatives) and others alike but the general consensus i see all over the net is nod is so highly reccomended by so many. i own retail stores and need to protect them as they are on line all day and who knows what could be running around. i hate to loose my customer data etc... i do backups but we have customers all day and to do that many a day would be very tiresome. my mother works for a software company as thier accountant. and they are not an av company but thier developers: about half recc nod32 and of course the other recc kav.

now while online at my stores we are under dial up. with kav testing i constantly see alerts for lsass and lovesan and many others but never seen any of these with nod32. is thier a reason for this or is this a feature nod is lacking i would glady buy either but being i am buy multiple copies i dont want to make the wrong desicion. thanks for all the help

also regarding the updates with nod i hear so many people complaining about only a couple a week or when it does update it will not update to the current version??? kav updates like three or four times a day. just wondering are they (eset) working on this or has it been fixed already

[Firecat]

zfactor,

I dont know about NOD32, but KAV will automatically disinfect the files, registry, BHOs and other stuff that was created by the malware. Of course, ArcaVir does that too, Norton does not, McAfee also does if you upgrade engine to the latest version.

KAV has hourly updates - ensures an excellent response time.

Regards,
Firecat

[q1aqza]

-{ Quote: "
you said kav seems to run lighter once it is up?? is this just looking at the ram numbers or are you talking about actual system performance???" }-
Yes I was only referring to RAM utilisation, I haven't analysed CPU usage, so sorry if my 'lighter' comment was misleading or not inclusive enough. On a perception basis tho, I notice no difference in performance during browsing or opening local files etc when running either KAV 5 or NOD. Both seem fairly transparent.

I'd love to have an AV with KAVs detection & updates and NODS realtime/adv heuristics. I guess some smart alec will tell me I'm talking about McAfee ;D

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "Yes I was only referring to RAM utilisation, I haven't analysed CPU usage, so sorry if my 'lighter' comment was misleading or not inclusive enough. On a perception basis tho, I notice no difference in performance during browsing or opening local files etc when running either KAV 5 or NOD. Both seem fairly transparent.

I'd love to have an AV with KAVs detection & updates and NODS realtime/adv heuristics. I guess some smart alec will tell me I'm talking about McAfee ;D" }-
NO! McAfee's heuristics are only about as good as KAV itself. Try ArcaVir, has really good detection and fairly good heuristics.

[hollywoodpc]

Quote: Updates. I think NOD32 updates are poor, often server failure errors and sometimes only one update for a few days

Everyone has there opinion . This particular statement is sad . If the user felt this was a problem , contacting Eset would be in order . Something is wrong somewhere . Updates poor ? Really . I do not think so . It is sad this statement was made . Nothing could be further from the truth . So , as I stated in the beginning . You will get more confused as more people respond as they push their favorite on you . Not to say this person was choosing a side . Only saying that his so called experience is very difficult for me to accept . Updates poor . I think I have heard it all now . To clarify . NOD updates are very good . Keep in mind . You should set the update server to choose automatically . One of the servers has been shut down . Maybe , before the fix , this person had that server chosen as the ONE server to connect to . Idiotic but , it happens . You are on the right path . Both are good . Both are strong and if it were me , either one would be great . I do not think one is far enough ahead of the other to worry . BC said to give it a fair chance but , KAV is not as nice with other programs as NOD seems to be . And what a pain to sit and watch your computer startup slow to a crawl while it loads . GEEZ . That is a personal thing though . Sorry . Bottom line is , flip a coin . If both work on your computer equally , flip a coin . If one seems easier than the other , choose that one . No need to keep losing sleep . You have chosen two of the best to pick from . Good luck and hope that helps

[Firecat]

I think I'll stay out of this...Its going to become a flame thread soon.

[Diver]

Re: KAV start-up delay.

Boot times with KAV can be reduced with a registry patch to disable scanning of certain items at start up. You can find it over at forums.useice.com. Also, KAV may load slow with certain firewalls due to the operation of its mail scanner.

However, both KAV and NOD32 are very good AV's.

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "Re: KAV start-up delay.

Boot times with KAV can be reduced with a registry patch to disable scanning of certain items at start up. You can find it over at forums.useice.com. Also, KAV may load slow with certain firewalls due to the operation of its mail scanner.

However, both KAV and NOD32 are very good AV's." }-
Also remember that the registry patch has officially been certified by Kaspersky.

(I'm not breaking my rule, no suggestions from me my friend, for I might be flamed).

[zfactor]

okay thanks all i know these are two of the upmost av's i'll have to play with them again and see how they fell to me. i really like nod's gui better than kav. kav makes me think of norton or panda both of which will never find thier way to my pc's no offense to anyone using these. i just have had numerous problems with both in the past. i guess i have to look past all of the reviews i read that say that kav is just THAT MUCH BETTER than nod32.

i geuss reading all of those just gives some a false sense of "extra security" if these as everyone says are so close in terms of detection to one another. sometimes i feel running nod that maybe kav would really be that much better. but then when nod strike and finds something on the web or in a file it makes me feel better.

the difference for me has always been kav screaming at everything!!!
lsass exploit, lovesan exploit, and numerous others like every five seconds sometimes at my store when im on dial up. have others seen this and should i really worry about these?? it just makes me wonder why it is screaming at all of these and my kerio says nothing is trying to get in or out even when i check it to make sure. is this common with kav? with nod sometimes it doesnt even feel like it is working cause i never see anything it just sits there in my tray with no alerts or screaming of any sort.

with nod how is it at detecting trojans? i know kav is supposed to be that much better from what everyone says but nod is supposed to be improving. my retail pc's only use 256 mb of ram and i have 6 of them i hate to stick a full 1 mb in these which are really only used for pos applications so i try to run as few resident programs as i can that is why i was asking in the first place between these two. i could run a separate at but hate to use up that much more mem. i run adaware and spy bot often and run spysweeper also a few times a week.

i appreciate the feedback and do not wish this to be a flame post please keep that out of this one. i asked a serious question and just want to make the right decision for me thanks to everyone

[zfactor]

also you mentioned arcavir?? where can i look into this?? and what would you suggest as the best firewall for nod?? are there any it disagrees with?

[MushfiQ]

zfactor..here is link to arca virus products & their forum :)

http://www.stormbyte.com/

[hollywoodpc]

-{ Quote: "also you mentioned arcavir?? where can i look into this?? and what would you suggest as the best firewall for nod?? are there any it disagrees with?" }-
Most firewalls are ok with NOD . As stated , NOD gets along very well with most other software . It does not like AV programs though . ICK !! lol . Find a firewall you like and try it . IMO , no harm in that . Good luck my friend

[zfactor]

how would one rate arcavir up to nod or kav? and is it available without the firewall ? is this thier own engine or do they use someone elses as do many use kav's engine thanks

[hollywoodpc]

I will say this . As of today , reviews are not stellar but , I think they are doing a good job . When I first wrote to them and got no response for a couple of days , I got a bit bothered . I posted in here about how I felt the support sucked . WRONG ! He wrote me back in an email . We wrote back and forth about issues . I must say that they will do anything to figure out a problem IF you have one . StormByte bent over backwards to help me . Support is good . I think the program itself is much better the reviews show . Only my opinion but , I hope that helps .

[q1aqza]

-{ Quote: "Quote: Updates. I think NOD32 updates are poor, often server failure errors and sometimes only one update for a few days

Everyone has there opinion . This particular statement is sad . If the user felt this was a problem , contacting Eset would be in order . Something is wrong somewhere . Updates poor ? Really . I do not think so . It is sad this statement was made . Nothing could be further from the truth . " }-

Yet another NOD die hard who can't accept the program isn't perfect. Sad that these people can't handle any criticism about their favourite AV. It is a fact that sometimes eset don't provide updates for a few days. Sometimes I experience server failure despite having the automatic server option selected. Just a fact for me.

I think NOD is great and if I hadn't given KAV a recent try out I wouldn't have even replied to this thread or seen the good points of KAV 5 and I was happily living with the very few 'bad points' of NOD. Anyway I still have a while to go on my licence so I'm not ditching NOD for KAV. I will review nearer the time.

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "how would one rate arcavir up to nod or kav? and is it available without the firewall ? is this thier own engine or do they use someone elses as do many use kav's engine thanks" }-
Read my review of ArcaVir 2005 (you'll find it in the second page of the other AV forums i.e. this forum). It caught all the malware I threw at it, but there ARE some that it may miss. It also has a very good heuristics engine, but its slightly behind NOD32.

I love its interface and its features. For me, ArcaVir seems to be the perfect balance between KAV's signature detection and NOD's heuristics.

Its their own engine, and you get daily updates except for weekends, but that might change soon.

If you want ArcaVir without the firewall you'll need to buy ArcaVir and download MKS_Vir 2005 instead. MKS will accept ArcaVir serial keys, and its the same program without the firewall. Also MKS has different colours in its interface, but the layout is the same.

If you live outside North America, its best you go to http://www.arcabit.com for more info on ArcaVir.

Regards,
Firecat

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "If you want ArcaVir without the firewall you'll need to buy ArcaVir and download MKS_Vir 2005 instead. MKS will accept ArcaVir serial keys, and its the same program without the firewall. Also MKS has different colours in its interface, but the layout is the same." }-The firewall is a separate program. The launch is controlled from the main control center and, as I recall, it is disabled at first start-up after installation. If you don't enable the firewall, it won't be a factor. There should be no need to use mks_vir 2005.

Blue

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "The firewall is a separate program. The launch is controlled from the main control center and, as I recall, it is disabled at first start-up after installation. If you don't enable the firewall, it won't be a factor. There should be no need to use mks_vir 2005.

Blue" }-
Yes that's right...but he asked if it comes WITHOUT the firewall.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "Yes that's right...but he asked if it comes WITHOUT the firewall." }-Firecat,

Whoops, I missed that nuance. Sorry about that.

The other thing, and I don't know what this means in the long term, but Mariusz has indicated here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=65665) that the programs will be "totally different" sometime in the future. Just something to consider...

Blue

[Firecat]

Hmm...I'll check up on that. Thanks Blue. Y'see I am a tester so stormbyte might give me a bit more info on that...

[hollywoodpc]

-{ Quote: "Yet another NOD die hard who can't accept the program isn't perfect. Sad that these people can't handle any criticism about their favourite AV. It is a fact that sometimes eset don't provide updates for a few days. Sometimes I experience server failure despite having the automatic server option selected. Just a fact for me.

I think NOD is great and if I hadn't given KAV a recent try out I wouldn't have even replied to this thread or seen the good points of KAV 5 and I was happily living with the very few 'bad points' of NOD. Anyway I still have a while to go on my licence so I'm not ditching NOD for KAV. I will review nearer the time." }-
I do not push NOD on anyone . AND , I am not a diehard fan . I know what works . regardless of anything you have to say , your comment on updates is false . Period . That is a fact ! There are plenty of AV programs I have recommended to people that were not NOD . I am talking a fact . You sir , are a liar . I do not appreciate being told that I am a diehard NOD fan . It is good . That is why I use it . If you care to debate the good and the bad , so be it . No problem . It has it's faults . Updating is not one of them .

[q1aqza]

-{ Quote: "I do not push NOD on anyone . AND , I am not a diehard fan . I know what works . regardless of anything you have to say , your comment on updates is false . Period . That is a fact ! There are plenty of AV programs I have recommended to people that were not NOD . I am talking a fact . You sir , are a liar . I do not appreciate being told that I am a diehard NOD fan . It is good . That is why I use it . If you care to debate the good and the bad , so be it . No problem . It has it's faults . Updating is not one of them ." }-

You come on and accuse me of being a liar when you have no evidence to prove that Eset updates are always fine, likewise I have no evidence of my bad experience. All I know is that on average at least once or twice a week I get server connection failure and have to try again. I have also on a number of occasions since using NOD in the last 6 months or so noticed that there are no updates for sometimes 1 or 2 days and I have even witnessed 3 days (before NOD I used NAV2004 which updated once a week, so this never bothered me). It's only since seeing KAV in action that I 'complained' about NOD's updates.

If you go back to my original post on this thread you will see that once a again at the end of my post I reiterated the fact that my post was very much personal perception/opinion.
Copy of my last sentence: "Again just to re-iterate, my post is very much perception and opinion based and not technical using defined test criteria."

So for me updates are my only real gripe with NOD and to put it in perspective I have only complained about NOD's updates now that I have compared it to it's closest rival which I believe has superior updates.

In hindsight I accept the word 'poor' was maybe a little strong, I therefore retract my statement about NOD's updates being 'poor' and replace it with the word 'temperamental' instead.

[hollywoodpc]

-{ Quote: "You come on and accuse me of being a liar when you have no evidence to prove that Eset updates are always fine, likewise I have no evidence of my bad experience. All I know is that on average at least once or twice a week I get server connection failure and have to try again. I have also on a number of occasions since using NOD in the last 6 months or so noticed that there are no updates for sometimes 1 or 2 days and I have even witnessed 3 days (before NOD I used NAV2004 which updated once a week, so this never bothered me). It's only since seeing KAV in action that I 'complained' about NOD's updates.

If you go back to my original post on this thread you will see that once a again at the end of my post I reiterated the fact that my post was very much personal perception/opinion.
Copy of my last sentence: "Again just to re-iterate, my post is very much perception and opinion based and not technical using defined test criteria."

So for me updates are my only real gripe with NOD and to put it in perspective I have only complained about NOD's updates now that I have compared it to it's closest rival which I believe has superior updates.

In hindsight I accept the word 'poor' was maybe a little strong, I therefore retract my statement about NOD's updates being 'poor' and replace it with the word 'temperamental' instead." }-

Now I need to try to make you aware of something . When I said something was wrong somewhere , that was meant as me UNDERSTANDING that it was a personal case to you . My apologies for not STATING that I understood . My fault . As for the 3 day interval , I would not be surprised if that happened 6 months ago . As of late , everyday is the norm . Keep in mind too that updates are not as needed with NOD as the AH takes care of alot of that . So , to be clear to everyone , I made the mistake of not being clear in letting you know that I understood it was just a personal case . I knew it had to be . And to let you know , KAV is outstanding . I cannot justify , nor have I ever , steered someone away from it . It is excellent . If it were a bit more compatible , who knows , it may have been my choice . NOD is about to come out with a great improvement over what they have now . Adware , spyware , and riskware will be dtected BEFORE they can install dll s on your machine . This means it could be better than most antispyware programs out now . Only speculation that it will be that good but , surely the potential exists . Hey . Enjoy whatever you use . Try to pick a good one . Not sure what you use but you compared the two best in the business at this point . My opinion and a fact , according to many , MANY tests . Just enjoy . Anf thank you for being a gentleman this time around . I hope we have everything cleared up now . To recap . You like KAV and I think you are stupid to think that way . NOOOOO . Only kidding . If KAV is your chouce , Congrats . You chose wisely .

[hollywoodpc]

choice and detected . Damn . Poor spelling . Geez
Typed too fast

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "NOD is about to come out with a great improvement over what they have now . Adware , spyware , and riskware will be dtected BEFORE they can install dll s on your machine . This means it could be better than most antispyware programs out now." }-
You sure do put a lot of faith in Nod, Hollywood, I'll grant that. ;) But if i were you, i wouldn't ditch my resident spywareprotection just yet. :)

[hollywoodpc]

-{ Quote: "You sure do put a lot of faith in Nod, Hollywood, I'll grant that. ;) But if i were you, i wouldn't ditch my resident spywareprotection just yet. :)" }-
Sorry Don . Could you clarify . I was saying I like KAV and NOD . Resident protection has not been ditched . I think I am not following . I apologize . Please clarify . Thanks

[hollywoodpc]

Ok
I understand now . Oh NOOOO way ! Not yet . As I stated . It has potential . Never said I was going to throw it on and ditch everything else . You misunderstood but , thank you for warning me in case I was saying that . I do appreciate that . No no . I will wait and test it myself . Just nice to add .

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Ok
I understand now . Oh NOOOO way ! Not yet . As I stated . It has potential . Never said I was going to throw it on and ditch everything else . You misunderstood but , thank you for warning me in case I was saying that . I do appreciate that . No no . I will wait and test it myself . Just nice to add ." }-
I agree, it's very nice addition to an already god AV, and also that both Nod & Kaspersky are more than just good, they excel at what they do, if you ask me.
Let's hope that these two (and a couple of other's, not mentioned here) will see an even bigger crowd of followers, they deserve it. 8) :)

[hollywoodpc]

I am in total agreement my friend