TDS-4 Wishlist ? and Feature Request

[Defenestration]

How come there is no TDS-4 wishlist thread sticky where we can post all our requests for the upcoming TDS-4 ?

I have already posted up a few TDS feature requests to this forum, like the ability to run and update in Limited User Account. Another minor request is to start up minimized. Currently, with TDS-3, the main TDS window is opened and only minimized when all the startup scans have finished. I want it to start with no window at all (ie. just a tray icon), unless something suspicious is found. I'd also like the tray icon to indicate the start-up scans are being performed, and then change to the default tray icon when all the scans have finished.

[Pilli]

There will be more than one version of TDS 4, the first will be the TDS-4 Guard. Simple set it and forget it.
Other version(s) features have yet to be finally decided, so I will make this a sticky for now but Wayne may decide otherwise. :)

Cheers. Pilli

[Defenestration]

Thanks Pilli.

Will this TDS-4 Guard be like BoClean then (ie. no on-demand scanner) ?

[Pilli]

Similar I believe ;)

[timnicebutdim]

I would like to see TDS-4 with the following,

1) A security bar in the interface showing the level of security - depending on how full the bar was would give an indication of the security setting.
Hovering the bar would also show text - ( low, medium, high, highest security level ).
Clicking the bar would make a pop up appear - from there you should be able to click on default security - highest security ( for novices that want peace of mind ), custom security ( choosing how tds should scan ).
The security level should also show when hovering the TDS-4 icon in the system tray.

Also on the interface - next to the security bar should be a scan now ( nice and simple for novices ).

2) When performing a scan any compressed files that may not be scanned properly due to rare compression ( packers ) programs being used should be listed at the end of the scan. Next to them should be a ( find this packer ) and it should search for a packer that uses that extention in google.
Also should be instructions about the compressed files explaining that TDS-4 needs the packer to proprely scan the files and how to download the packer once found and how to add it to the TDS-4 scanner - plus a list of sites that list packers ( http://www.megasecurity.org/Packers.html for example ).
These files should have a special alert icon in the interface that will remind people to rescan the files. If the new packers were found they would be given the all clear or again the info would tell them to search for the packers. Once all files have been given the all clear then the alert icon would dissepear from the TDS-4 interface.

Everything in TDS-4 should be updatable automatically while online - so for example if new sites were found that contained packers... the urls could be added to the list of recommended sites to search.

3) The help section should be written twice. Once for advanced users and once for novices. Novices should be walked through every aspect of TDS-4 but in simple english ( no jargon ) - so that even a complete fool could understand it.

Doing this would bridge the market over to less security aware people. This is the main problem with TDS-3 - it isn't user friendly for novices. I am an expert in marketing and just having one icon or word that a novice can't easily understand or find the meaning to can scare them away from a product. Every icon in TDS-4 should have a quick option to right click and immediately explain what it is in the simplest terms possible.

If TDS-4 gets this right then it will start to convert more novices and a whole new market will open up - viral marketing is the most effective marketing possible for any product. Loosing one novice because he couldn't operate the product properly or wasn't sure if he was operating it properly has a massive chain reaction. He will not tell his friends to use it... he won't write about how good it is and user friendly on his website or blog... and it goes on and on.

On the other hand if he uses it and understands it easily he will tell his friends and write about how easy it was to use on his website, blog, forums, ect. In turn other people will use it because of this and they to will tell their friends and write about it in forums.

Suddenly everyone knows about TDS-4 being proberly the best anti-trojan in the world rather than just advanced users or novices that have been hacked in the past and started to research into this.

The other thing to bear in mind when making TDS-4 is the common most definite attribute to most computer users - they are lazy. Its a fact, most people are very lazy and quickly loose interest in a product that they need to learn...
With so many programs and things to do they just want to be able to click a few buttons and have that program work for them with the least effort.

Example: TDS-3 - you have to go into the help files to learn how to scan with it and also that you need to select all the settings for the highest possible scan, also exec protection has to be installed and TDS-3 has to be running to have it working in real time - but you have to go into forums to learn this or get your fingers burnt to discover this. That isn't good and is why TDS-4 needs a simple bar that you can easily click and just select "Highest security level"... and a quick scan computer button. It's basic user friendly things but it goes a long long way.

This would also cut down on support issues - just have a look at the forums for examples - does tds3 provide real time protection?, does exec protection run when tds3 is closed?, what scanning options should i choose?, is tds3 ok for novices?... and the same questions are asked time and time again. It must be real annoying to support staff having to answer these questions again and again when you know a simple forum search would reveal the answers but here is the point - users are basically lazy... they don't want to search forums and scan threads looking for the answer.. its easier for them to make a new thread and then wait for the answer.

Also i would like to see TDS-4 with a way to scan for files in the memory processes so that you don't have to manually go through them all to know which process to kill to delete certain trojans.

[quexx88]

How about a reduction in RAM usage? TDS-3 with ExecProt enabled makes my system almost unusable :-\

[ozbob]

My addition to wishlist is a streamlining of the database download

Currently it appears to be over 2 Meg of the same signatures with an additional 20 or so each time

My Nortons AV must lookup 2 (or more ?) databases as its updates are only a couple of hundred K

Just a thought, keep up good work guys

[Defenestration]

Whoopsie Daisy, I think someone's opened a Pandora's box. What, me ?? Nahhh, I never touched it Guvnor! Ask me mum.... I'm a good boy! ;)

[nadirah_in_school]

I wish to see a trojan information database that users can access to find out more information about a specific trojan. I think that would be good.

[Pilli]

@ quexx88-{ Quote: "How about a reduction in RAM usage? TDS-3 with ExecProt enabled makes my system almost unusable " }- TDS uses low system resources except when running a full scan. Execution Protection when installed does not run as a process but momentarilly hooks a starting process to ensure it is clean. I should look carefully for other conflicts.

@ ozbob-{ Quote: "Currently it appears to be over 2 Meg of the same signatures with an additional 20 or so each time" }- TDS4 will mostly use incremental definition updates, thus reducing DL size considerably.


Pilli

[timnicebutdim]

-{ Quote: "I wish to see a trojan information database that users can access to find out more information about a specific trojan. I think that would be good." }-

I would like to see this also, however it would take a lot longer to write out descriptions for what each trojan does and doing that may cut down on the amount of time spent finding new trojans. Id rather have a large trojan database than a smaller one which is more informative.

A workaround would be to have a "search forums for posts about this trojan" button next to each trojan - clicking it would take you to a forums and search to see what other users have written about it. That way the devolepers can spend more time finding new trojans while offering some tools to discover what the trojan does.

It's easy to make the code to do this - i have done something similar on a website i run that has a seperate database for web hosting companies that can also search my forums for extra information about the companies - it works fine, i can provide the code for this if diamonds thought it would be a nice little extra.

[Infinity]

the trojan descriptions is not necessary as long as TDS-3/4 will catch and clean it properly.

I combination of Processgaurd (block drivers and hooks) would be phantastic.

the incremental updates would be nice.

integration in PG would be nice

[Socio]

I like the idea of a set it and forget version for the less experienced user crowd. My wish is that there would be perhaps a pro version that keeps at least most of the goodies TDS3 has in it now like, System Testing, System Analysis, plugins, whois, network, well ok all of it. ;)

EDIT: I have one more wish a bit OT;

Once the Diamondcs team is done with TDS4 I wish they would take their considerable expertise and make a Antispyware app as powerful as TDS3 so we can finally have a one app end all, no holds bar solution to spyware.

[hollywoodpc]

Once the Diamondcs team is done with TDS4 I wish they would take their considerable expertise and make a Antispyware app as powerful as TDS3 so we can finally have a one app end all, no holds bar solution to spyware." }-
Please !!!!! OMG . We have been waiting for like , 35 years for TDS-4 . No where on the horizon STILL !! And you want an anti spy proggy from them ? OUCH . You will be dead before that happens . lol . In all fairness , I think that is a great idea . But , as you have seen , ideas becoming reality is rare . These guys are good but , so tedious that the idea of anti spyware is a lost dream .

[Pilli]

Hi hollywoodpc, I would much prefer a program that does not require regular updates to prevent spyware - We can all dream ;D Having said that TDS3 does cover a lot of spyware that has Trojanic behaviour.

Pilli

[hollywoodpc]

Pilli ,
Touche'

[dvk01]

Is there any thought to a backup or quarantine set up with TDS4

I am seeing a few too many people fixing FP's or riskware identifications and not being able to restore again

The riskware is the one I am most concerned about as many legitimate program components are quite rightly detected but can be unwittingly removed

Things like some of the company supplied remote access devices that TDS detects

[nonentity]

HOw 'bout a simple drag & drop function as well as a "batch" capability? Above all, why not provide a *link* between/to/from your other products, e.g. process explorer/process guard/worm guard? That way, you'll be able to see to which port the trojan is connecting, etc. Simply put, why don't you just bundle them all...yeah, a security suite would be nice, no??

[morph1]

..and how about updates ? AS TDS-3 updates just get bigger, why not just download the NEW signatures rather than the whole lot ?

P.S. TDS-4 is rapidly becoming "never gunna see it-ware"
It's been promised for so long it's going to have to be something incredible to justify the lead-time ::)

[rodsoto]

-{ Quote: "Is there any thought to a backup or quarantine set up with TDS4

I am seeing a few too many people fixing FP's or riskware identifications and not being able to restore again

The riskware is the one I am most concerned about as many legitimate program components are quite rightly detected but can be unwittingly removed

Things like some of the company supplied remote access devices that TDS detects" }-

Do you mean like setting a restore point in XP before disinfecting??? Yeh i like that idea....

[tony64]

Well I'm not an expert and thus it's hard for me to post a wishlist. I've had a look on what you guys are saying.. Fine with me !!

However, I'd like to say that DCS approach to market places is highly customer driven if I can judge from what follows (DCS moderator thread)

QUOTE" And again, even though TDS-4 is a 100% rewrite - a completely brand new program - all registered members will receive a FREE upgrade - even if the only TDS purchase you've ever made from us was a purchase of TDS-1 in the mid 90s." UNQUOTE

The soft is one of the most expensive I had ever bought but it's worth each euro I spent.

Cheers

Tony

[JW Clements]

-{ Quote: "..and how about updates ? AS TDS-3 updates just get bigger, why not just download the NEW signatures rather than the whole lot ?

P.S. TDS-4 is rapidly becoming "never gunna see it-ware"
It's been promised for so long it's going to have to be something incredible to justify the lead-time ::)" }-

Why not stop work on TDS-4 and provide incremental updates for TDS-3? It took 12 minutes to download today's file. If done daily, that works out to 1 hour/week (5 dailys per week, none on weekends), 50 hours/year (because two weeks are forced vacation without updates). Rough calculations are that we see about 100 added to a (current) base of 48,000, so that's 0.21% new and
99.79% old (already downloaded). That would drop the load on the servers too, and possibly avoid the problems with mirrors having outdated versions and folks having to change their .cfg file to find a mirror with the newest version.

This would provide at least some immediate relief while we wait for TDS-4 and at a guess, would only require 1.5% of the total elapsed time (4 years?) to see TDS-4. (assumption 3 weeks / 200 weeks = 1.5%)

[hollywoodpc]

12 minutes ? What kind of Edited unnecessary word. Pilli connection do you have . It should NEVER take that long ? And by the way . Differing versions of TDS - 4 ? Uh oh . Guess those of us that just paid , will not get the whole thing for free . Guess we will have to pick which one we want . I hope that is not the case

[Pilli]

-{ Quote: "Guess those of us that just paid , will not get the whole thing for free . Guess we will have to pick which one we want . I hope that is not the case" }- I beleive that licensed users will have a choice of whichever full version they choose.

HTH Pilli

[polyglory]

-{ Quote: "12 minutes ? What kind of Edited unnecessary word. Pilli connection do you have . It should NEVER take that long ? And by the way . Differing versions of TDS - 4 ? Uh oh . Guess those of us that just paid , will not get the whole thing for free . Guess we will have to pick which one we want . I hope that is not the case" }-

OOps, I reckon my comments will hangfire as well.

We will see ::)

[Atomas31]

Will the TDS-4 Guard be compatible with BoClean? meaning would it be possible to have both of them as resident has layered protection or are we gonna be force to choose between TDS-4 Guard or Boclean has resident scan?

thanks,
Atomas31

[JW Clements]

-{ Quote: "12 minutes ? What kind of Edited unnecessary word. Pilli connection do you have . It should NEVER take that long ? And by the way . Differing versions of TDS - 4 ? Uh oh . Guess those of us that just paid , will not get the whole thing for free . Guess we will have to pick which one we want . I hope that is not the case" }-
Unfortunately, for me, a 26.4kbps dialup. I'm at the extreme end of the phone line in farmland, no chance of cable or phoneline broadband. I'd have to signup for satellite service to get anything better. And I'm sure that I'm not the only one with "snail-like" service. So, incremental updates would be very good for us less fortunate folks. I remember the "old days" when DCS broke the 10,000 primaries mark and downloads were relatively quick at 2 minutes, but now I plan to download when I can go and make a coffee or such. Water under the bridge? Maybe, but I've been quiet about the logn development time, I bought PE to provide financial support, I bought PG because it's excellent and I understand that DCS wants TDS-4 to be excellent too. But I would like Incremental Updates now, and with them, I'd wait patiently and quietly for -4, no matter how long it takes. And IMHO, it would be relatively easy and quick to supply. But maybe not. But maybe it would. One can only wish, and this is a Wish List thread (just that mine is for TDS-3 and not -4).
I won't raise the subject anymore, either DCS will or they won't.
Jim

[Pilli]

Hi, I bleieve that there will be no updates to TDS3 such as incremental back ups unfortunately as this would detract from TDS4's development.

Pilli

[WSFuser]

i ask one thing of the DiamondCS team, I want TDS-4 to have a 30-day, fully functional trial like most other software. TDS-3 is powerful from what Ive read however the only way for me to try all of its features like execution protection is to buy it. I dont have money to try all the software i want. n also, TDS-4 will have heuristics right?

[Pilli]

-{ Quote: "TDS-4 will have heuristics right?" }-TDS3 already has adjustable heuristics, so I doubt that heuristics will be left out of TDS4 :)

Pilli

[Defenestration]

New method of updating so dcsmutex.exe does not change every time. It is tedious to have to authorise it for PG after every update.

[gottadoit]

-{ Quote: ".. It is tedious .." }-

No pun intended I'm sure ;-)

So you would prefer DCS to put the changed code into a DLL that isn't checked by ProcessGuard then ?

I suppose that at least they will at least have some of a signing/verification routine to make sure that it wasn't malware that tampered with the DLL ...

[Defenestration]

-{ Quote: "So you would prefer DCS to put the changed code into a DLL that isn't checked by ProcessGuard then ?

I suppose that at least they will at least have some of a signing/verification routine to make sure that it wasn't malware that tampered with the DLL ..." }-Yeah possibly. I think this is how Kaspersky do it.

[Defenestration]

Ability to select hidden files and folders to be scanned from within TDS. Currently, hidden files and folders are not displayed on the selection dialog.

Workaround: Use Explorer to select and scan file/folder using TDS context menu.

[worldcitizen]

Geez!! We're almost halfway through March 2005 and still not even one TDS 4 program yet! Not even a beta. Camels cross the Arabian desert faster than this and I'm beginning to think pigs will fly before we get anything. Iraq and Afghanistan have become democracies, Arafat has died and still nothing! We've even had a Tsunami and no TDS 4 yet. The way things are going this pending release may outlast even the pope.

I just looked out the window and I thought I saw a pig fly!! I understand that DCS want to get it right 1st time but waiting an eternity and a half is becoming quite cumbersome.

TDS 4 = 'The Never-Ending Story'

My Feature Wish : Please release the program before I die of old age!! LOL

Dave

[Pilli]

Dave, Your post has made me laugh a lot. You have a wicked sense of humour mate! ;D

Cheers. Pilli

[ShunterAlhena]

Dave,
How true... ::)

;D

[tuatara]

TDS-4 : I have NEVER waited so long for a new release,
first i was a bit sad about that, when i checked every 3 months and saw
that there was still no new release.

But finally after the years went by, i think it is funny too,
My grandfather asked my father (in the 30's) to check every now and then here,
to see if there was a new release.

But now my father is to old and i took this job over from him back in
the 60's now my Son is going to check for the next 30-40 years or so.

And i hope, if he finds it here, it will not be the same as boclean.

I'll check tomorrow if there is response, otherwise i'll be back in June 2005

:>)

[Caliban]

Here's my two cents, DCS should release whatever exists of TDS-4. We can all beta test it and interest would be piqued. Trust would also be restored to the extent that the very existence of TDS-4 is questioned. ;)

[hollywoodpc]

-{ Quote: "Geez!! We're almost halfway through March 2005 and still not even one TDS 4 program yet! Not even a beta. Camels cross the Arabian desert faster than this and I'm beginning to think pigs will fly before we get anything. Iraq and Afghanistan have become democracies, Arafat has died and still nothing! We've even had a Tsunami and no TDS 4 yet. The way things are going this pending release may outlast even the pope.

I just looked out the window and I thought I saw a pig fly!! I understand that DCS want to get it right 1st time but waiting an eternity and a half is becoming quite cumbersome.

TDS 4 = 'The Never-Ending Story'

My Feature Wish : Please release the program before I die of old age!! LOL

Dave" }-

Dude !
You are killin me !!! This is a wish list for TDS-4 so here is mine : I would like for TDS-4 to be released . Ok . That was bad . I only want it when it is ready to go but , it sure does take awhile . If it does not blow all other AT programs away , I will be veryupset . And I hope our " free " upgrade is for the whole thing . As stated before , this may have multiple parts . If so , does that mean we get to choose one for free and pay for the rest ? In other words , if there is an ondemand scanner ( like TDS-3 ) and a seperate TDS-4 for real time protection . Does that mean we get our choice of only one of those . I hope it is one complete product . And I was always told that time will tell . hmmmm . I had to take a shot . Everyone else does . To my good friend Gavin , I know you are hard at it . All in fun here . I think you know that .

[worldcitizen]

If no more DCS programmers leave to set up their own software enterprises we might get TDS 4 but from what I can tell the programmers at DCS are working on their own secret programs for launching their own businesses and leaving TDS 4 in the lurch.

The deal is this guys. You look after us and work hard to get TDS 4 released and when you decide to set yourselves up in a software business we'll support you. You scatch our backs and we'll scratch yours but at the moment we are getting shoved to the back of the que all the time to make way for other interests when it's OUR $ that keeps you all alive and well.

As my dear mother used to always say: - Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Dave

[gottadoit]

I know that it is frustrating and tedious waiting for TDS-4 to come out but surely a bit of respect can be shown for this thread
The title of the thread is "wishlist and feature request"

Maybe we should ask Pilli to create another sticky thread for humourous observations (Dave), rants and non-specific complaints (that are not expected to be answered)

Wayne, maybe you could create a new thread (like Marcos did in the NOD32 forum) for the announcement of TDS-4 whenever it is made available and close it straight away so that people can subscribe to it and that would at least save people the need to poll the forum ?

My 2c

[worldcitizen]

Sorry but I just had to have a dig.

Now about the wish list.

I noticed that a lot of sites upload trojan loaders and exploits to our browser cache and from there they can get activated if the cache is not cleaned. Sometimes they get activated anyway or install ugly stuff. No matter which AV or firewall I have had I've always had trouble with these trojan exploits and downloaders and I'm NOT going to practice safe sex.

The world wide web is and should be my universe to explore (including the black holes (and red ones :P :P ) ) and any program that can't get me there and back in one piece is just no good. So I expect and hope that once and for all DCS will address these nasties - trojan downloaders and exploits so that stuff doesn't get onto our PC's other wise what's the use of all this security software if I can't visit my favourite sites?

Dave

[Jooske]

Worldcitizen,
Thought WormGuard was created for that originally?

[worldcitizen]

Hi Jooske,

Don't know. All I know is that even with WG I frequently get these trojan downloaders and I told Gavin and he said that TDS wasn't tweaked to deal with them and that maybe they would think about including that in a later version but so far no program except an AV intercepts them but I found that only Bit Defender really seemed to be able to stop them. They're a nuisance. They only cause problems sometimes but when they do they really can stuff up a system. I tried NOD 32 but a lot of them got through so there doesn't seem to be many programs that take care of these nasties until it's too late.

Dave

[Jooske]

*Irrelevant postings have been removed*

Please get back On Topic again, which is a wishlist for TDS-4.

In WormGuard you can set which file types should always be blocked for execution.
TDS does deal with downloaders, keyloggers, trojans, dialers, worms, adware, spyware and lots more.
Use the scanner more frequently, update daily, update windows system, etc.

[worldcitizen]

I emailed gavin about the downloaders and he said that it was not a function of TDS 3 but that it might be included in a future version. He said might but wasn't too sure about it so I hope it does get included in the new version or in one of the modules as I have already spoken to him about it personally but it's good to mention it here. I hope Gavin does read this.

Dave

[Jooske]

See the many hits on this thread, we all read it!

For me the downloader detection is part of TDS, the blocking is another place for which we have among others WormGuard and i hope a few more, especially if they are trying to manipulate system files or registrysettings.

[TylerGred]

I don't know if this has been covered in another thread, I just skimmed over this one, but...

I would like more "right-click" options in the detection box. Especially, the ability to exclude a file from a future scan. I just got this program last night, so maybe there is a way, but I did a search and the only way I read about is to include it in the exclusions list. I think that should be fixed as I have yet to find a way to copy the files address to the exclusion list and it's kind of difficult to type out some of the longer files.

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "I don't know if this has been covered in another thread, I just skimmed over this one, but...

I would like more "right-click" options in the detection box. Especially, the ability to exclude a file from a future scan. I just got this program last night, so maybe there is a way, but I did a search and the only way I read about is to include it in the exclusions list. I think that should be fixed as I have yet to find a way to copy the files address to the exclusion list and it's kind of difficult to type out some of the longer files." }-

Hi TylerGred,

In TDS-3 you can only exclude directories (=folders), not files.

Quotes from the Helpfile:
The Exclusions feature allows you to add directories to a list which will NOT be scanned. When scanning, TDS-3 ignores directories (and all corresponding subdirectories) if they are on the Exclusions list.

To add an Exclusion:
Click on Exclusions and press Add. In the box provided type the directory path you wish to exclude, and press OK or Enter. You may also remove paths from this list using the Remove button.

=== end quotes ===

As for your question about how to easily get the path of a file or directory:
There are several free tools for that; I name a few:
1.
Copy This Path
http://camtech2000.com/Pages/Useful.html
2.
CopyPath
http://www.byalexv.co.uk/
3.
Ninotech Path Copy
http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/1527.html

Cheers, Jan.

Edit to add :
See this old thread for those utilities:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=13098

[TylerGred]

I'd just like to be able to exlude it by right clicking without having to go through the exclusion list...

I guess I'm lazy...

Also, why can you not exclude a file???

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "I'd just like to be able to exlude it by right clicking without having to go through the exclusion list...

I guess I'm lazy...

Also, why can you not exclude a file???" }-

I cannot answer all your questions about this; that's up to DCS.

Anyway, we always have to keep in mind that excluding has to been done in some secure way: you don't want that some malware suddenly puts itself in your exclusion list...

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "See the many hits on this thread, we all read it!

For me the downloader detection is part of TDS, the blocking is another place for which we have among others WormGuard and i hope a few more, especially if they are trying to manipulate system files or registrysettings." }-

another wishlist, wormguard to be integrated into or combined with TDS. why should wormguard be a seperate product?

[hollywoodpc]

I agree . That would be really nice !

[FanJ]

Quotes from the TDS-3 Helpfile :

Generics: Anti-worm

The anti-worm generic detection system in TDS-3 was ported over from the WormGuard 2.x engine (http://wormguard.diamondcs.com.au). However instead of providing an analytical and comprehensive report on the detected files that WormGuard provides, TDS-3 will simply provide its findings based on the file being highly dangerous or being of a low risk.

TDS-3 does not stop the execution of these files even with 'Execution Protection' enabled - this is what WormGuard is for, however it will provide exactly the same detection when scanning for files on your system as WormGuard does when these files are executed. Files detected with Anti-Worm generic detection enabled should be analysed manually in notepad or other text editor.

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "Quotes from the TDS-3 Helpfile :

Generics: Anti-worm

The anti-worm generic detection system in TDS-3 was ported over from the WormGuard 2.x engine (http://wormguard.diamondcs.com.au (http://wormguard.diamondcs.com.au/)). However instead of providing an analytical and comprehensive report on the detected files that WormGuard provides, TDS-3 will simply provide its findings based on the file being highly dangerous or being of a low risk.

TDS-3 does not stop the execution of these files even with 'Execution Protection' enabled - this is what WormGuard is for, however it will provide exactly the same detection when scanning for files on your system as WormGuard does when these files are executed. Files detected with Anti-Worm generic detection enabled should be analysed manually in notepad or other text editor." }-

i guess then wut i want is for TDS to stop the execution of worms like wormguard or at least have that option available. and if theres any improvements, TDS should use the wormguard 3.x engine.

[Bubba]

*Irrelevant postings have been removed*

Please get back On Topic again, which is a wishlist for TDS-4....as was asked by a Forum Mod....in this post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=404691&postcount=47).

Regards,
Bubba

[dvk01]

We definitely need some way to exclude single files rather than the whole folder

[halcyon]

1. Removal of AgentSvr.exe dependency (i.e. agentsvr.exe is not started by TDS, when all talk/chatty/hello features are turned off)

2. An interface overhaul (so that it actually complies with Window GUI guidelines and does not look like it was designed by a 13-year old script kiddie :)

3. Fix the automatic update for chrissakes. It breaks down by itself and has to be manually fixed (download server lists, download radius, whatnot). It's not automatic, if it has to be fixed manually every now and then.

4. Release in 2005, pretty please :)

Due to the aforementioned issues I'm no longer using TDS-3 and will not upgrade or buy more DiamondCS products, unless at least the major problems (i.e. autoupdate) are fixed for good.

[ShunterAlhena]

Halcyon, I second every point. Especially the 2nd one.
I didn't buy TDS-3 yet (neither am I planning), but I did evaluate it for a month or so. It's services might be professional, but a little bells&whistles don't hurt sometimes IMHO :)

[Jooske]

Hi there,
About the Agentsvr.exe, we had several discussions threads, including with yourself Halcyon, and you can see in the last of this series how you can disable it forgood
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=317620&highlight=agentsvr.exe#post317620
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=228333&highlight=agentsvr.exe#post228333
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=203201&highlight=agentsvr.exe#post203201
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=160707&highlight=agentsvr.exe#post160707
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=118838&highlight=agentsvr.exe#post118838

You do know it's part of windows XP, and if you disable it several parts of windows/office might not work properly anymore.

The TDS GUI has never been something primitive for me, if that is what you mean, it just suits the environment it is fighting. The product is rather popular also in that specific environment as well as it does remind people it can be nasty there.
But let's see what DiamondCS will come up with in a next version. You could start your own skins and add those?
If you look in the SS3 scripts environment in the TDS Private forum you can see how you can make changes to the layout, other colored lines, etc.

Till now i have maybe two or three times a year an update is working a few hours later, because i am too early or other things and experience learns once support is aware it's fixed in none.

I am very happy with TDS-3 as it's still one of the strongest protections/ detections and largest database, use it together with the other products and one is hammered rather tight.

Funny, some people want more bells and whistles and others say there are far to many already. Ai ai, making all users happy, just create three or four versions of TDS or separate extra's, whatever for those who want the network utilities, etc. It's exactly those extra's which make TDS a real security SUITE, not just a real fine scanner.

And you know, registered TDS-3 operators get an upgrade all free, with the rising prices i would know what i would do if i hadn't registered my copy yet years ago.

[Defenestration]

-{ Quote: "1. Removal of AgentSvr.exe dependency (i.e. agentsvr.exe is not started by TDS, when all talk/chatty/hello features are turned off)" }-I agree! As Jooske pointed out, some parts of XP or Office need it, but if you don't use these parts then TDS will cause AgentSvr to load. I don't like bloat, and the loading of this unnecessary process is bloat when it's not required.

I'd also like to voice my support for halycon's other points. These should be addressed for TDS-4.

I would also like to see a beta for TDS released soon. Why... ? Well, if a product endures too much development without exposure (and not just beta tester exposure) then user requirements are only discovered at the latest stages (too late to make the final release, which in turn results in extra work for the 4.1 release). I would hope that the main engine for TDS-4 is finished/finalised, and so would hope that DiamondCS would release a beta version soon to gauge non-beta-testers opinions, before it's too late to make a difference.

Without this feedback, I would put money on the final TDS-4 release being a bit of an anti-climax. I've seen it before, and it will happen again. There's nothing quite like a quick release cycle, once a product goes into the final stages, to polish a product.

With an enthusiastic community who aren't afraid of using beta software, DCS should be utilising that to the full, much like Kaspersky have done with there technological prototype of KIS 2006. Kaspersky have received a lot of feedback that they otherwise wouldn't have, and also discovered a serious bug which otherwise wouldn't have.

What do you say DCS ? When do we get a beta ? :D

[halcyon]

Jooske,

AgentSvr.exe dependency in TDS-3 is not a Windows problem, it's a TDS-3 issue.

AgentSvr.exe cannot be renamed/removed/uninstalled from Windows XP system, as you've stated correctly. I have asked this from Microsoft and it CANNOT be removed (or system may malfunction).

However, it only starts if programs ASK for it's services. TDS-3 always asks for it's services, EVEN when EVERYTHING related to speech/greet functions in TDS-3 is turned OFF.

Now, this is just SILLY behaviour.

Immediately when I quite TDS-3, AgentSvr.exe also quits by itself, because no other software on my system requests it.

BTW, I am even able to configure Office 2000 so that it does not start Agentsvr.exe and use any extra resources due to that. And that's an MS app, for chrissakes :)

Why can't I configure TDS-3 like that?

Because the developers have so far refused to fix this and claim memory usage figures (for Agentsvr.exe) on THEIR computer and ignore requests and comments from registered users ("it's not a problem, live with it").

That's quite sad, imho (writing as a registered user and an ex-tds3 advocate).

[Jooske]

You have not read the links i posted above nor threads they link to, like this one
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=19235


BTW on many people's requests Microsoft is working more on the speech/msagent technology again and it will be used even more in all their products. You could stop using Microsoft, and not blaming TDS-3 any further for using Microsoft technology.
http://research.microsoft.com/srg/whisperid.aspx (among others) where you can see the technology can be used for additional security reasons.
TDS has always been many steps ahead.
There are scripts written for TDS to open other applications etc and interact with the computer on voice command (see among others in my CokeMachine project as a start for that).

[zacksam]

As systems often get inoperable and do not boot anymore i would highly recommend to be able to run TDS-4 from external media like BartPE to clean them from within a clean system. I made a working plugin for TDS-3 that was
a big timesaver in many cases. I use it to scan for maleware files as registry scanning does not work at the moment.
That has to be done when booting back to the host OS.
So it would be helpfull if TDS-4 would also scan the host registry to fix autorun entries residing there (there are tools available to redirect the host registry residing on the HDD to the BartPE registry)

[halcyon]

-{ Quote: "You have not read the links i posted above nor threads they link to, like this one
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=19235
" }-

No, in fact it is you Jooske, my dear, who has not understood and read what I write :)

The above message links to a way of removing Agentsvr.exe by renaming it. This can mess up the system (ask Microsoft or any Agent Service programmer worth their salt. I have asked).

Also, you fail to understand that Agentsvr, even if it's on the disk, does not get started unless a program requests for it.

TDS-3 requests for it and there is no way to disable it without compromising the system.

Now, this is just silly, because speech features surely aren't a way to make TDS-3 or any system running it any more secure.

But I rest my case. I'm tired of fighting the TDS-3 apologists, who fail to accept any criticism as relevant and think there's nothing wrong with the software.

Here's another lost customer, bye-bye...

Hope you do better in the future...

[Jooske]

Next time installing XP do it without the agentsrv stuff; what is not installed can't be started and no system demands to install it before it lets you go on.
In autostart disable it,
in taskmanager have it killed, whatever.
Don't run the spchapi and all that.
We're talking about 256KB RAM / 524KB VM and you can kill it without any problem.

[Defenestration]

Built-in support for scheduling so scans can be automatically started on regular days. It should also be possible to set the scan settings for each job. Check out the O&O Defrag Pro 8 scheduler for ideas.

[WSFuser]

will TDS-4 be compatible with windows xp x64 edition?

[ShunterAlhena]

As it will be released when 32bit processors are long obsolete, it surely will be compatible :)
/me now goes back to writing more constructive posts...

[quexx88]

I request that RAM usage be reduced. For some reason, TDS3 with execution protection surges to over 60mb RAM and sticks there, creating quite a drag.

[dvk01]

is there anyway that when you do a text file save that instead of it automatically calling it scandump.txt and overwriting previous , you can have the option to save as and call it waht you want and save where you want

that will definitley make it much easier or those of us that fix other systems

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "is there anyway that when you do a text file save that instead of it automatically calling it scandump.txt and overwriting previous , you can have the option to save as and call it waht you want and save where you want

that will definitley make it much easier or those of us that fix other systems" }-

Hi Derek,

Not quite sure whether I understand you right, but I myself always rename a scandump.txt (if I make one) to for example:
scandump_2005_04_27_1.txt

But I agree, it would be nice if a next version of TDS would automatically put date and time into the name of a scandump ;)

[dvk01]

Hi fan

Yes after I have done it I do rename, but I frequently advise users to install & use TDS and run a scan and send me a copy of scandump & then to run tds a second time after they have cleaned up (hopefully) and a second scandump is needed to check and many of them forget to rename so it is overwritten

[Pilli]

Can we please stay on topic here in line with thread title.
As has been stated TDS4 will be released when it is ready.
This wish list is about feature requests and not release speculation.

Than you. Pilli

[Defenestration]

The Guard should be light on resources.

[snapdragin]

Microtao - as your question is off-topic to this thread, I have split it off into a thread of it's own along with WSFuser's reply, and changed the title to match your question. You can find your thread here: Is there a TDS-4 Beta? (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=81776)


I've removed 4 off-topic posts from this thread that had very little, if anything, to do with what this thread is about - TDS-4 Wishlist and feature requests.

Pilli has reminded everyone to please stay on topic. Therefore, if there are any further posts made that are not exclusively a "wish for a future option/feature for TDS-4", they will be removed.

[Detox]

WC - I have removed your post this time - not the mod who you mentioned by name in your last post. Should you feel that you have a valid point to make without the extraneous etcetera then make that point yourself without the baggage.

[worldcitizen]

I would like to see TDS 4 employ a system like an Anti-Virus where it catches Trojans online and if they are downloaded via the internet. Usually my anti-virus takes care of that but if there is a specialised program for Trojans like a TDS 4 Guard then I would prefer that TDS 4 Guard do the intercepting, cleaning and stopping instead of my Anti-Virus because it would be more specialised in that field and would do a better job.

So far trojan downloaders are intercepted by an anti-virus but not by TDS 3. I spoke to either Wayne or Gavin and they confirmed this to be the fact and that they hadn't decided if a future version of TDS would have that feature so I'm suggesting that this feature be included in any TDS 4 Guard.

Dave

[WSFuser]

maybe like a http scanner? this would be a great feature but like i said i hope tds-4 doesnt have a trial without autoupdate and real-time scanner as is with tds-3. otoh at least tds offers a trial, boclean just has a 30-day money back guarantee...

[cliff_f]

I hope the TDS4 will support WIN XP SP2 Chinese Version cuz nowadays Chinese version users cannot use TDS3.
thanks.

[Infinity]

http scanner would be awesome imo :)

[Kalkriese]

I suppose this is really just a cosmetic thing, but I would like to see TDS have Full Screen viewing capability. AND... Just Maybeeeeeee...... an option for a larger font...... Eh ? 8)

[Defenestration]

I want it to be possible for TDS-4 to start completely minimized to tray, without any of the main GUI being displayed (unless some malware has been found, in which case the usual alert should be displayed.

[WSFuser]

maybe a boot-time scanner like avast has? this would be great for eradicating those difficult to remove trojans.