Favorite PRIMARY Antivirus You Use? [Archive]

spy1

January 14th, 2003, 01:31 PM

The 'release' version of NOD32.

Strangely enough, I had sufficient intelligence to figure out how to use the program, what the buttons were for, how to set things to my liking.

Didn't have the "didn't see" , "must have missed" , "thought I did" "couldn't find" syndrome that seems a little prevalent these days and it's been working wonderfully for me.

And besides - I don' NEED no steenking emails! :) Pete

Firefighter

January 17th, 2003, 05:32 PM

I think that the guestion is meaningless. Everybody knows that McAfee, Norton, Pc-Cillin users are over 80 % of all AV users.

If the majority is the whole thruth, we can say that the ultimate best beer is Budweiser (which stold the trademark from the older original Budweiser, I mean the Budejowice Budwar from chechs, the only justice is that money talks), the best car is Chevrolet, the best watch is Timex (maybe now Seiko), the best Government was that in Russia under Stalin, and so on.

The pearls are hiding among minorities, that's my habit of life!

You must make you own decisions, and be proud of it! ;D

Regards,
Firefighter!

Krusty

January 17th, 2003, 07:16 PM

{QUOTE-> Quote firefighter: You must make you own decisions, and be proud of it! <-QUOTE}
True too. No one can tell you what are you fond of.

{QUOTE-> Everybody knows that McAfee, Norton, Pc-Cillin users are over 80 % of all AV users. <-QUOTE}
Well I don´t know that. I have heard alot backwards. Know what is the secret of these master companies? It is always the same: success. They are KNOWN AV companies, easy to sell, easy to success now, like M$.....but not necessary the best solution you can have. And I know you know it too ;) . Succeeding brings other aspects to think of and that is PROFIT only. I mean that developing the products is no more so relevant than profit is.

best regards ~Ari^

the Tester

January 17th, 2003, 08:07 PM

I trialed NOD32 cuz of price and their track record.Got hooked and now I wouldn't switch.I'm very happy with NOD32 in all aspects;speed,ease of use,updates available on a regular basis.I rely on NOD32.That's what it all comes down to with any av program,whether or not you trust it for protection.

Carren

January 18th, 2003, 12:40 AM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=0#42775 date=1042842750]
I think that the guestion is meaningless. Everybody knows that McAfee, Norton, Pc-Cillin users are over 80 % of all AV users.

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I can't speak for Pc-Cillin users, but there is a very good reason for why so many people use NAV or McAfee. Generally has nothing to do with the quality of the product (and I am NOT saying they are not quality products!) .... but has more to do with the fact that one of those AV's generally comes preinstalled on new computers.

Most people who use computers are NOT interested in how they work or security issues, or any of the other things that those of us who frequent these kinds of forums, are interested in. All they want to do is sit at their computer and type their html emails, chat to their friends, play online games, and maybe write the occasional letter or school assignment. They are happy to accept whatever AV came with their computer and trust it implicitly to protect them.

For that reason, any *real* public polls about "favourite antivirus programs" will always be meaningless. Just because a majority of people use a particular product, that does not mean that is the *best* product if the people using it are ill informed, do not understand the product and are generally not interested. JMHO ;)

Tassie_Devils

January 18th, 2003, 02:39 AM

{QUOTE-> {QUOTE-> quoting: Carren link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=0#42868 date=1042868408]
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I can't speak for Pc-Cillin users, but there is a very good reason for why so many people use NAV or McAfee. Generally has nothing to do with the quality of the product (and I am NOT saying they are not quality products!) .... but has more to do with the fact that one of those AV's generally comes preinstalled on new computers.
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Hello Carren and welcome to the forums.

You post was a very nice reply ;D and also probably 99% accurate in its content.

Yes, a lot of PC owners/users will simply purchase a PC, with all the gizmos/bells/whistles on it and the only time they question AV would be when they have exhausted their "I want it to be the fastest/best/prettiest/etc. etc.; and how much it costs", then comes:

"Oh, BTW, does it have an anti-virus"
"Yep, it's got Nortons, the *best*, etc."
OH, GREAT, FANTASTIC. Here's the cheque. See ya.

Then they simply forget about it. No further questions.

Yet, by the same token, they will ask no end of questions about harddrive, the amount of RAM, what this video card will do as opposed to that one, etc. etc.

As Carren stated, it's just that's what most PC Vendors have supplied in the "Package Deal" to customers.

Let's face it, forums in general may seem like they have a lot of security minded people, but in the grand scheme of things the total membership of forums would be a drop in the ocean of PC users, even then, a lot of forum members don't read "security" related threads, just general tech talk, chat, etc.

Nortons, has done a splendid job of marketing, selling its product and that's fine.
It is recognised as a major player, etc. in the AV/System Protection world, just like NIKE is in the sporting world. Marketing is the key. Also of course, the product MUST be pretty good, as all the good publicity would soon turn sour if the product failed miserably.

Geeze, I had never even heard of NOD, etc. until around 18-24 months ago, just Nortons, McAfees, PC-Cillin, the major players plus some free ones like AVG, etc.

Once again Carren your post put it in perspective. 8)

Cheers, TAS

snowy

January 18th, 2003, 09:01 AM

A person can purchase a computer for under $700 an it will meet most if not all his needs......an usually a restore disc of some kind comes with the pc...............QUESTION: do you think someone will kick out an extra $100 for an anti virus program to protect a $700 computer....add to that another lets say $60 for an anti trojan program.....add another $30 to lets say $50 for a firewall....suddenly thats a $200 outlay to protect $700..........an the person STILL HAS NO ABSOLUTE PROMISE THAT THE COMPUTER IS PROTECTED "FULLY"...........folks thats just plain a bad investment..............its much cheaper for people to use the less expensive software......and the restore disc if needed.
thats not what people in the security community like to or want to hear but its a downright fact of life......
mass production at a reasonable price is why many anti virus programs are so numerous.......the average user has no idea what security really is....they seek protection at the cheapest price.......like buying grapes at the super market.............an most software vendors while intelligent...are still in the dark ages when it comes to good business............great products sit on the shelves because the great software vendor knows zip about business

snowy

January 18th, 2003, 09:43 AM

Final Comment

The modern world has been built on mass production......a BMW or JAG may well be better than a Ford but there are more Fords purchased every year than BMW or Jag..........
we all know that every software has its "groupies" just as the Rolling Stones has theirs........an while "groupies" may build up the ego of a software vendor....ego trips sell pitifully few products.....an no this is not my personal opinion...its business 099...kindergarden stuff
you wont see me debate which is the best anti virus program......its a rather dead end street. When the best begins to really compete with the mass...then its a real subject...but until then its going in an endless circle.
Mcafee is pre-installed....that was a good business move but had little to do with how good/bad the product is...........thats the way it is.......an when the really good software producers pull their heads out of the clouds maybe their products will become just as used as their lesser counter parts...............

snowy

January 18th, 2003, 11:33 AM

The following is not "ACTUAL"

AVaverage: a new player...cost free..users=100.000 in two years

antiThe Best virus program: an older established product...cost $50....users 10.000 in ten years

question: Who made the greater profit
answer : The Consumer

AntiThe Best is a much better product...greater in every aspect.........but Mr average Joe bought his kid a new pair of shoes with the $50 an used AVG instead...does Mr average Joe even care if he gets a virus....of course not......he has a restore disc. Now if antiTheBest sold for $15...Mr average Joe could have purchased the program and the new shoes for his kid. But Mr Software Vendor says..oh, but my work is worth $50 not $15....guess what..Mr average Joe could care less.......he has his restore disc and his kid has shoes...he does not need your $50 product

Tassie_Devils

January 18th, 2003, 10:47 PM

LOL, well put Snowy :)

Yep, Mr Average just does not care, and let's face it, using the car analogy, a Ford Pulsar will get from A to B in roughly the same time frame as a BMW. You just may cruise in more comfort in a BMW, lol.

Cheers. TAS.

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 04:41 AM

There is a whole world out there filled with Mr Averages who still see anti virus programs as an ACCESSORY......NOT A NECESSITY. An perhaps the greatest mistake that has been made is the total failure to convince Mr Average otherwise.
second greatest mistake is the software vendor who has foolishly convinced him/her self that Mr Average needs them.......when in fact its the software vendor who desperately needs Mr Average.....or go bankrupt. the software vendor can produce a product so good that some would consider it a gift from the gods.............an if the software vendor fails to meet Mr Average on his terms.....the software vendor's product will lay uselessly un-used on the shelf.
Consumers last year were hit by major viruses an both the consumer and the internet survived. That proved to Mr Average THAT HE CAN SURVIVE......an it should have proved to the software vendors that if they want to survive as a business they best re-think and re-plan........sir cam came and went ...klez came and went.........code red came and went..............the consumer was hit and hit hard AN SURVIVED........many without even using anti virus programs......Mr Average just isn't buying that the dooms day virus is coming.......an he is right. Virus will come and viruses will go.....but Mr Average is here to stay........so, whats the great anti virus program of today.....Mr Average with his restore disc.

Paul Wilders

January 19th, 2003, 06:55 AM

Snowy,

Surviving - with costs. The economical damage world wide has been estimated in billions of USD - which could have mainly prevented. DDoS attacks are very common - using quite a lot of zombied systems - personal ones as well. Just a few examples ;). IMHO we haven't seen nothing yet..

regards.

paul

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 07:13 AM

PAUL

Belive me I could not be in more agreement with you....as would most everybody who has even slight knowledge of computers.
The problem is Mr AVERAGE is ignorring prevention...personally I would like to see EVERY COMPUTER PROTECTED....but its just not happening. An that effects all...not just the users but the software vendors as well...perhaps the software vendors the most.
You know as well as I that there are truely good products.......an yet the over-all users of the products is shamefully low..........certainly as a business person I would be the last to denie a vendor the compensation his product is actually worth......but does Mr Average really understand the value of a product?
Unless there is some major changes made...Mr Average is going to continue to use that ye ole restore disc......

Paul Wilders

January 19th, 2003, 07:25 AM

Snowy,

As a comparison: as soon as cars could be afforted by the "average person", everyone could by a car (T Ford for example) and hit the road. Accidents where bound to happen as more cars where sold. In the end, we ended up with traffic regulations, drivers permissions etc in order to prevent chaos and accidents as much as possible.

IMHO as for pc users, we still are in phase one as mentioned above. In due time phase two will be realized.

regards.

paul

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 07:29 AM

as a FRIEND to anti virus vendors this statement is made.

Ladies and gents....you have worked hard....you are smart...on the ball.....an being left behind in the dust by crappy software that dims in the light of yours......the one-five man operation is facing a critical time....when those with the dollars are winning the race....and the customers.
take a hint from wal mart.....sell more at a lesser price...gain your customer base...an not only will you survive but in time you may actually be greater than your present crappy compatition. Stop the petty bickering..you can't afford it....ever seen anyone from mcafee bicker..no, because they are to busy selling products.....

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 07:35 AM

Paul

sorry, I type slow and you posted as I was.

Again I fully agree.....an again I think most others would.
Paul, what I foresee is the demiss of many good products...an the consumer left with stink on a pile....an for no other reason than the guys with the bucks could afford to compete in such a way to drive good vendors out of business.........thats the essence of my posts.......
secondly government regulation....its coming

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 07:41 AM

Paul

the wording of my second to last post was in no way imply to you...just want to make sure you know that....
The bickering I refer to is simply ment to say that perhaps as a whole small vendors should join together an financially support advertising of ALL THEIR PRODUCTS....a rather unheard of idea....

Paul Wilders

January 19th, 2003, 11:14 PM

No prob, snowy ;).

A rather unheard idea indeed ;).

regards.

paul

snowy

January 19th, 2003, 11:53 PM

Paul

bet that idea made you reach for a smoke LOL

Paul Wilders

January 20th, 2003, 12:47 AM

{QUOTE-> quoting: snowy link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=15#43338 date=1043038404]

Paul

bet that idea made you reach for a smoke LOL

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Indeed - right in the middle of quitting that habit ;D

regards.

paul

snowy

January 23rd, 2003, 06:55 AM

PAUL

you may be much to busy to notice this sort of report so thought to post it just for general info.....its public record as of a few minutes ago

Reuters
Network Associates Swings to Profit
Thursday January 23, 6:41 am ET

SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - Network Associates Inc. (NYSE:NET - News) reported a net profit in the fourth quarter benefiting from increased demand for network and computer security technology, the computer security provider said on Thursday.
Network Associates reported a net profit of $44.2 million, or 26 cents per share compared with a net loss of $4.9 million, or $0.03 per share, a year earlier. Before special items, the company said it earned 29 cents a share. Analysts polled by Thomson First Call had, on average, expected the company to post earnings of 24 cents per share.

Net revenue fell to $256.0 million from $258.1 million a year earlier, the company said.

Network Associates also said it expects a first quarter profit in the range of 9 cents to 11 cents a share on revenue of between $225 million and $230 million. For the year, the company said it expects a profit of between 70 cents and 75 cents a share on revenue of between $1.0 billion and $1.03 billion.

Paul Wilders

January 23rd, 2003, 08:26 AM

Snowy,

{QUOTE-> you may be much to busy to notice this sort of report so thought to post it just for general info.....its public record as of a few minutes ago <-QUOTE}

I noticed - thanks for the heads up anyway ;)

regards.

paul

snowy

January 23rd, 2003, 09:47 AM

Lol..their stock is tumbling down....oooooh well

Smokey

January 24th, 2003, 08:24 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Straight Shooter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=0#40305 date=1041998290]
Simply trying to determine the most popular ones being used by WIlders Folks...
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First I used for a very long time KAV Pro, right now I've changed to avast!4 Pro.

Firefighter

January 25th, 2003, 08:37 AM

To Smokey from Firefighter!

It's nice to read that there are other unprejudiced pioneers, who dare to prove something so different and charming implementation that Avast 4 Pro has!

I almost gived up, when I took RAV as my resident some 10 days ago, but now I am using Avast 4 Pro as my resident again, DrWeb and RAV are my backups as they were in the beginning.

I had to totally throw away KAV 4.0.9 from my PC, because there was so much interruptions in my net sessions. I used KAV as my backup. Maybe it is my cellular modem (I use GPRS-phone as my modem), that was really too much for KAV!

I can't mention exactly the reasons why Avast 4 Pro is my choise, but it is fact, that Avast 4 is capable to scan more files from your PC than DrWeb, so it is not bad at all. Let’s hope that Alwil has done the same as Nokia did in the early 90:ies with cellular phones.

If you have a scanner that is capable to 100% clean result of 40 % from your PC, but if you want as clean PC as possible, so there are still 60 % files, that you don't know anything about! That's why Avast 4 Pro, and I had an extra bonus with those 2 VirusBulletin 100% in the Wild results last year from the older program of Avast. ;D

Regards,
Firefighter!

vlk

January 25th, 2003, 01:16 PM

Firefighter,

{QUOTE-> Let’s hope that Alwil has done the same as Nokia did in the early 90:ies with cellular phones.
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Please tell me - what was it? I'm curious... :P
After all, you're from Finland, so you must know... :)

Vlk

Firefighter

January 25th, 2003, 04:20 PM

To Vlk from Firefighter!

I have never been at Nokia and I am not a Nokia fun anymore, because I like minorities!

This is my point of view to that economical fairy tale.

1. Be proud of your roots, there your have your own nuclear power, the decisions to make are always yours!

2. Be open to numerous stupid questions!

3. Have a crystal clear vision in the horizon, that everyone are capable to admit it!

4. Don't punish those who are making mistakes sometimes, behind every mistake looms great opportunities, remove fear of your folks!

5. Use the mathematical weapons wisely (for examble Statistical Process Control)!

6. Treat your own employees like your own family, loving and caring!

7. Joy, when you have occasion to it!

etc.

From the top there is only one way and you know where it leads, unfortunately! But the whole journey to the top with it's valuable choises fascinates me.

After all, you have to give up at right moment. It's like with all things in human life! You have to go further to seek new adventures. ;)

"The truth is out there, but it hurts, after that you'll love it"!

Regards,
Firefighter!

Smokey

January 25th, 2003, 10:47 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#44399 date=1043501866]
To Smokey from Firefighter!

It's nice to read that there are other unprejudiced pioneers, who dare to prove something so different and charming implementation that Avast 4 Pro has!

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IMO Avast! is a very promising virusscanner, at the moment not perfect but AlWil is everyday working on his product to improve it.

Besides that, it's a fact that AlWil is one of the very few companies who is writing the words "Customer Care" and "Sales After" very big!

I think, it's worth to give such a product a fair chance to establish on the market, now a days there are already to many other (big) companies which forget their roots, and only are selling their products relying on their well-known name, the customer don't care for them, only the selling-rates are very important.

Firefighter

January 26th, 2003, 02:25 AM

To Smokey from Firefighter!

We must only recognize the truth, in the real world there are two kinds of fruit, those which are ripe and those which are unripe.

The ripe ones are those which are very soon becoming to putrid. I am not interesting about those ones. That's why I live among minorities!

In the bussinesworld there are many point of views to be counted. Unfortunately the CEO:s main purpose seems to be that, to fill your pockets as soon as possible. They forget that resource, what brings the money to their pockets.

In team sports, for example, almost allways the winner is not that team, which financial resources are the best. That's the real truth of money talks phrase. We have forgotten the purpose of healthy soul, joy to work with team workers and so on! With those things OK, your are the winner, despite of your financial situation! ;)

"The truth is out there, but it hurts"!

Regards,
Firefighter!

vlk

January 26th, 2003, 03:42 AM

Thank you, people! :)

It's nice to read it, but...

On the other hand, I must admit that it's also exciting to actually sell something (not to mention the fact the we're not a bunch of volunteers, so without selling the stuff we can't really survive, at least in the 'long haul'). So, besides the fun of coding the thing, we really have to pay some attention to marketing, sales and other things like that...

For example, we're constantly looking for international distributors who would not only put the product on their pricelists but also be confident that it's a great product and be able to pass this information to their customers... :)

But, Firefighter, if you like minorities, don't worry, it's unlikely that we'll fail you in this aspect (at least, in the next 50 years...) ;D

Vlk

Tinribs

January 26th, 2003, 04:26 AM

I sincerely hope your company goes on to even greater things Vlk, its very refreshing to see an av emerging into what could be a very fine antivirus (its good already!) and the main choice for many users, granted free versions can only be supported by sales of a 'corporate' or 'pro' version and thats understandable. But I wish you every success.

Firefighter

January 26th, 2003, 08:06 AM

To Vlk from Firefighter!

If the basics are about average, you may have bread on your table. Everyone must have done their homeworks. But if we are looking for a long time growth, then we must have something special.

When I said, that I like minorities, there is also the dark side in it. Among the minorities, there are plenty of folks, that never be able to renew themselves. I have found certain things about Alwil, that for me seems to be very promising. It is the route your are going to the top. Right choises that many others haven’t found, I call them priorities to the final countdown.

You may find some of these from my writings in Wilders, and some, which I think are your unique inventions, I’ll keep out of these sites, because these belongs to your intellectual capital.

Remember, that there are no quick profits in real business, that lasts enough time being. Just follow your own way, enjoy your work, have a party when a time is ready, and the crown will be worth it. ;)

“The truth is out there, but it hurts, after that you'll love it”!

Regards,
Firefighter!

UNICRON

January 26th, 2003, 05:40 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#44653 date=1043565945]
In team sports, for example, almost allways the winner is not that team, which financial resources are the best.
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Are you suggesting that Symantec is the NY Rangers of the AV world? ;)

Firefighter

January 27th, 2003, 04:00 AM

To Unicron from Firefighter!

I haven't followed the NHL League so intensive, but in Finland we play Hockey too, and here the winners have more than often 40% budget, than the most wealthy teams have.

The corruption in North America do in my point of view play much larger scale factor than it is in Finland, because the organizations of bookmakers belongs to the State monopoly in here.

That's why I don't speculate anymore about North American betting systems! ;D

And the Symantec issue, that's an other story. There are McAfee and Trend Micro, which are very large too. When you are inspecting bussiness sector, McAfee is bigger than Norton. So I want not to mention any particular AV-producer.

"The truth is out there, but it hurts"

Regards,
Firefighter!

UNICRON

January 27th, 2003, 07:44 PM

To Firefighter from Unicron!

Finish hockey is very similar to NA style. Much more so than other European leagues (except for the money:Selanne, Teemu $6,500,000USD!)

The NY Rangers have the highest paid roster at $68,527,085 USD but have only managed 49 points compared to $30,315,000 USD for the Ottawa Senators who have 71 points. One is #1 in the conference, the other isn't even going to make the playoffs.

Moral of the story? You can't always buy success.

museheart

January 27th, 2003, 09:28 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Carren link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=0#42868 date=1042868408]
{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=0#42775 date=1042842750]
I think that the guestion is meaningless. Everybody knows that McAfee, Norton, Pc-Cillin users are over 80 % of all AV users.

<-QUOTE}

I can't speak for Pc-Cillin users, but there is a very good reason for why so many people use NAV or McAfee. Generally has nothing to do with the quality of the product (and I am NOT saying they are not quality products!) .... but has more to do with the fact that one of those AV's generally comes preinstalled on new computers.

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I think it is a very good question. I also agree with your statement above, however, I have used many products. Right now its Norton because that is what they chose for me when my computer was hacked. I don't like their support, I don't like talking to computers.

BTW, I love Brad...

Peace,

Firefighter

January 28th, 2003, 09:17 AM

To Museheart from Firefighter!

To me Norton, McAfee and so on represents an other lifestyle and values that I think isn’t the right way.

Why not enjoy the life within forests, lakes, wild animals, birds, fresh air and water, which you can drink taken straight from your water tap and not from a bottle. Listen to the silence and enjoy the peacefull environment.

Enjoy life so, that you can go to swim naked straight after that you have refreshed your mind in your hot lakeshore Sauna, and there is nothing to do with sex or anything you have to be shamed. In Finland we may say that your are one with the mother nature! We have over 600 000 saunas in a country where is over 60 000 lakes, the population is about 5.2 million and areal width something about Germany!

irrelevant part removed - please stay on topic - Forum Admin

I am not a Greenpeace spokesman, because I think they are too fanatics in their decisions and actions, but we can make our decisions through small choises.

In Europe we have plenty AV-programs which use 5-20 % harddisk volume than the US ones, and they are at least equal, probably even better in their main tasks. Use of harddisk is in my opinion a kind of pollution, waste of resources and money too. Small is beautifull, keep it simpple stupid (KISS) rules! That’s why in alphabetical order Avast 4, DrWeb and RAV. :)

“The truth is out there, but it hurts”

Regards,
Firefighter!

museheart

January 29th, 2003, 10:33 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#45220 date=1043763431]
To Museheart from Firefighter!

...Why not enjoy the life within forests, lakes, wild animals, birds, fresh air and water, which you can drink taken straight from your water tap and not from a bottle. Listen to the silence and enjoy the peacefull environment.

Enjoy life so, that you can go to swim naked straight after that you have refreshed your mind in your hot lakeshore Sauna, ...

The North American (more US, less Canada) lifestyle for example is among large issues and things which all produces too much pollution and waste...North America’s McDonald’s produces all kind of trash and waste that everybody knows.

I am not a Greenpeace spokesman, because I think they are too fanatics in their decisions and actions, but we can make our decisions through small choises.

In Europe we have plenty AV-programs which use 5-20 % harddisk volume than the US ones, and they are at least equal, probably even better in their main tasks. Use of harddisk is in my opinion a kind of pollution, waste of resources and money too. Small is beautifull, keep it simpple stupid (KISS) rules! That’s why in alphabetical order Avast 4, DrWeb and RAV. :)

“The truth is out there, but it hurts”

Regards,
Firefighter!
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Wow! Did I get a lecture or what? lol

Yes, Americans are spoiled, lazy swine. We can't run around naked because we are all too fat! Sex? Who has time for sex? We're all too busy building dynasties, funding crooked politicians and making sure everybody is minding everyone else's business.

Now I have a question, what is: Avast 4, DrWeb and RAV

Oh, by the way some of us are Southerners and we don't do things the way the rest of America do them. I'll tell you about us sometime. :)

Peace.

iceman

January 30th, 2003, 03:30 AM

Firefighter

the topic is about anti virus programs....not countries..cultures....or one's lifestyle peferences.

Firefighter

January 30th, 2003, 08:24 AM

To Museheart from Firefighter!

Hi, about the results of American way of life: You said it, not me!

But if the topic was av-programs, you have to know what RAV 8.6, DrWeb32 and Avast 4 Home and Pro are!

The answer is elsewhere on these Wilders Forum sites!

Peace and Good Luck! :D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Regards,
Firefighter!

Taxan

January 30th, 2003, 11:29 AM

Fax has been issued to The Office Of The U.S. Attoney General and Interpol advising of the anti-American statements being published at this website .

Taxan

Straight Shooter

January 30th, 2003, 01:40 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Taxan link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=45#45809 date=1043944175]

Fax has been issued to The Office Of The U.S. Attoney General and Interpol advising of the anti-American statements being published at this website .

Taxan
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Paul, Please delete this Jerk's post from this forum..
This BOZO can't even spell the word "Attorney" right... DUH!!!!

Unless I'm mistaken, I think he even spelled the name of his-her state wrong... "TAXAN"? I think "it" means "TEXAN"...
DOUBLE DUUUHHHHHHH......!

A Proud American,

Straight Shooter

Firefighter

January 30th, 2003, 02:27 PM

To Straight Shooter from Firefighter!

Thanks to you.

I never said that Americans may not be proud of their culture. It's an other story when we Scandinavians have a culture of our own, and we are very proud of it too! That's tolerance issue, if we appreciate each other! ;)

"The truth is out there, and it hurts!"

Regards,
Firefighter!

Straight Shooter

January 30th, 2003, 06:13 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=45#45835 date=1043954835]
To Straight Shooter from Firefighter!

Thanks to you.

I never said that Americans may not be proud of their culture. It's an other story when we Scandinavians have a culture of our own, and we are very proud of it too! That's tolerance issue, if we appreciate each other! ;)

"The truth is out there, and it hurts!"

Regards,
Firefighter!
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Hi, Firefighter...

My post wasn't directed at you, it was directed to "Taxan"..
I have tolerance, and to be honest with you, I couldn't care less who or where the software is made, or about lifestyles.. This is a SECURITY Forum, not the United Nations...

I use NOD32 (Slovakia), TrojanHunter (Sweden), MailWasher (New Zealand), Tracks Eraser Pro (who knows), and Zone Alarm Pro (USA).. I don't feel I am "betraying" my country. that has nothing to do with it.. Besides, while we're on the subject, someday, I think the world will be under one government, anyway... Maybe it should be that way...

solarpowered candle

January 30th, 2003, 06:29 PM

Duuurrrr wheres america

Straight Shooter

January 30th, 2003, 08:14 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: solarpowered candle link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=45#45870 date=1043969367]
Duuurrrr wheres america
<-QUOTE}

Next to Sweden ... ;D

solarpowered candle

January 30th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Ahhhhh Maybe they should advertise more or something

Kia Ora Bro :)

Paul Wilders

January 31st, 2003, 04:14 AM

Shooter,

{QUOTE-> Paul, Please delete this Jerk's post from this forum.. <-QUOTE}

Nope ;). Anyone who feels the need to report anything on this board to a governement is free to do so. Our logs reveal FBI, CIA etc. lurking over here quite a lot. So be it ;).

regards.

paul

Smokey

February 1st, 2003, 04:22 AM

{QUOTE-> quoting: UNICRON link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#44819 date=1043620821]
{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#44653 date=1043565945]
In team sports, for example, almost allways the winner is not that team, which financial resources are the best.
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Are you suggesting that Symantec is the NY Rangers of the AV world? ;)
<-QUOTE}

Maybe they think they are and when they wake up it was all just a bad dream... ;D

museheart

February 10th, 2003, 09:13 PM

museheart

February 10th, 2003, 09:23 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: iceman link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=30#45707 date=1043915455]

Firefighter

the topic is about anti virus programs....not countries..cultures....or one's lifestyle peferences.

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Whoops! I'm sorry iceman...I thought I was replying to firefighter.

Please excuse me, I have been very ill that is why I have not been here
for a while.

I didn't mean to start a ruckus...it is called satire. I'm a writer. (Tongue in cheek)

I am a red-blooded American, first American - Cherokee.

Peace,

museheart

February 10th, 2003, 09:54 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=45#45770 date=1043933042]
To Museheart from Firefighter!

Hi, about the results of American way of life: You said it, not me!

But if the topic was av-programs, you have to know what RAV 8.6, DrWeb32 and Avast 4 Home and Pro are!

The answer is elsewhere on these Wilders Forum sites!

Peace and Good Luck! :D

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Regards,
Firefighter!
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Firefighter,

I found the answers. I always find the answers.

Why are you so hostile? I was only reacting (satire - do you know that word in Finland?)to what you replied which had nothing to do with the subject.

And about America. I have lived in other countries in Europe. I have a comparison. There is no country like America and there never will be.

I am proud to be American.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it. This is a forum about software.

Firefighter

February 14th, 2003, 01:50 AM

To Museheart from Firefighter!

I deeply regret if I have hurt your feelings. I can't say anything but maybe they were the biorytms then, when my style to write was too aggressive. I'll try to chance my style, if it is possible anymore. :-\

I'm just proud of Finland and that's it. No more or less! ;)

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

museheart

February 14th, 2003, 08:33 PM

{QUOTE-> quoting: Firefighter link=board=19;threadid=6075;start=45#48189 date=1045205403]
To Museheart from Firefighter!

I deeply regret if I have hurt your feelings. I can't say anything but maybe they were the biorytms then, when my style to write was too aggressive. I'll try to chance my style, if it is possible anymore. :-\

I'm just proud of Finland and that's it. No more or less! ;)

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!
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Dear Firefighter,

No problem. You didn't hurt my feelings, I just didn't know why you were
being so hostile. I have no problem with nationalism. I think there should
be more of it in this country!

Probably doesn't matter anyway, we're all gonna die! lol

Pray for peace,

LindaHewitt

May 22nd, 2003, 01:10 AM

Seven plus years ago, I used McAfee. Last year when I bought my new desktop, it came with Norton 2002 Live Update, which was fine. I became nervous about the frequency of AV definition updates. Last May, I started subscribing to the Panda daily email newsletter.

After reading this for almost a year, I decided that Panda AV was the way to go. I have installed Panda Titanium on my desktop and Panda Platinum on my laptop. Both of these products are superior to Norton's in every way.

My question is why wasn't Panda listed in your survey. Panda is one of the top three AV providers worldwide.

Just curious.

Cheers,

Linda

;D

solarpowered candle

May 22nd, 2003, 08:12 PM

I see that there is a very good deal for the Panda antivirus Titanium for a 3 yr liscence for $42 http://www.tryus.dk/start.asp
sounds good if one was into Panda

Q Section

May 24th, 2003, 06:18 PM

Hello LindaHewitt

Have you ever looked for un-biased third-party information on how anti-virus programs faire? One really good place to look is Virus Bulletin. They are an independent outfit who tests anti-virus programs all the time. Here is a page with some test results you may find interesting: http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml?table

We hope you continue to learn all about computer security. The Wilders Forum is really quite good for learning many aspects of security.

Best wishes.