Cd-W Problem

[snowy]

Have just spent the past three days dl"ing one of the linux os'es........an iso image......an then spent 12 hours trying to copy the iso to CD...........

For some unknown reason the Cd just wont write to..

this issue ONLY happens using the newer type CD's...the Slim Jewel Cases.......which should not be an issue.......have tryed both Compaq CD's and Memorex...........700 mb


oddly the cd burner does burn...to one of my older cd-rw 650 mb..........so the burner is working...just not on the 700 mb cd's. Have tryed writing at all the speeds.....ran tests......waited....waited...waited........NOTHING using the 700 mb cd.
TOTAL ignorant as to what may be wrong here and would appreciate any/all suggestions.........the burner is EasyCd Creator......
is there anything I need to change settings wise in order for the 700 mb to burn ? The burner does not seem to "see" the disc.

snowy

[root]

Hi Snowy. EZ CD Creator program should work for 700MB. What is your burner, itself, IE: Toshiba, Sony, ??
My first thought is if it is an older burner, it may not support 700MB.

[snowy]

ROOT

sure nice to see you.....the burner is an ADPTEC.....under five years old......works really well....

the MB chart shows up to 700 mb......but the toolbar displays 650 mb......only once did it display 700......Root this would be the size of the disc.....

have burned iso before...........an now here I sit with a 700 mb useless iso.........aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[snowy]

Root.......I should mention that no type of file will burn to the 700 disc......no matter its size or script......nor can I copy cd to cd...............but can on the 650 disc...

[MickeyTheMan]

Did you specify you were burning an ISO ? That might just be your problem

[eyespy]

Snowy,
check to see if a "firmware" update is available for your burner. This will allow it to detect newer CDR's.

Also, you may want to update the driver for your chipset.

I've encountered these problems before and one of the above should help !!

regards,
bill ;)

[snowy]

Mickey

yes..did specify iso...."create cd from image" and also tryed every other possible way.......the darn think just wont write to a 700 mb disc



Eyespy

very much to my utter dislike I actually registered the program.....are should say that it registered itself even though I clicked to get off the website.........so when ahead and checked for updates.....none. for some reason I just don't believe that......LOL
I am not awear of how to up grade the chipset......or else don't recall having done so.........


Root, Mickey...Eyespy

thank you very much for replieing to my call for help.....this has really been a disapointment not being able to make a cd...........I was dl'ing from 11 am friday until 4 pm sunday.........an was all ready to try linux......oh well.......I still think the burner can burn to a 700 mb disc if I can do whatever needs doing..........either that or find a freeware or trial version just to burn this one program........not something I would ususally consider......

[eyespy]

What is the brand name of your Burner and how old is it ?

You shouldn't have to register for driver updates !

The chipset drivers would be the drivers for your motherboard.

Check out the fixes and the firmware update for my burner
below !!

regards,
bill ;)

[MickeyTheMan]

-{ Quote: " quoting: snowy link=board=9;threadid=6028;start=0#40055 date=1041919258]
I was dl'ing from 11 am friday until 4 pm sunday
" }-
Yikes, you ain't on cable are you ?
Downloaded Knoppix (699.69 meg) in something like 45 minutes

[snowy]

Mickey

LOL..no on dial-up......an not able to stay connected very long right now......I also dl'ed Knoppix....thats what I am trying to burn..........



Eyespy

I am not able to "see" the firmware thingy you so nicely provided.......its the way my "blocking" is setup.....an no quick way of removing. I did however try to upgrade every driver on the ye ole puter...motherboard etc.....everything shows as the most recent........
Kinda at wits end right now....sure don't want to purchase another burner just for this one program.......so guess I'll just be taking some lumps on this issue......an trashing the iso...............now thats going to really disappoint me.

you folks can just about guess what it was like trying to dl 700 mb on a dial-up connection...ouch!!
well...what can I say..except THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO HELP>>>>>APPRECIATED! this burning thing is not something I have much experience with......

[snowy]

Mickey

by the way...my phone lines are fiber optic...an those type of lines wont take DSL....I am the ONLY person in a ten mile area who has such phone lines............had cable..only one cable provider in area...an it was selling my personal info.....had to get a court order to stop....even cancel my credit cards.......was not a very nice situation.

[Pieter_Arntz]

snowy,

This may be worth a shot. Look at this page for the CDR Identifier: http://www.lurkhere.com/~nicefiles/
NO big download and it may just help

Hope that helps,

Pieter

[root]

I didn't desert you Snowy, but unlike some people around here, I have to sleep occasionally.
You can go to Adaptec Support (http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/supportindex.html?sess=no&language=English+US) and check the faq and look for updated drivers. If you don't have the burner information, Fresh Diagnose could prolly get it for you.
There are also programs that can work around this problem I believe. I would have to dig into my CD backups and find the files I have. Let me know.
Mickey, do you know if it would be possible to use a couple of olders CDs and span two CDs when burning the ISO?
I'm guessing the ISO is over 650MB and that is why you have the problem.

[eyespy]

-{ Quote: " quoting: snowy link=board=9;threadid=6028;start=0#40069 date=1041928988]

Eyespy

Kinda at wits end right now....sure don't want to purchase another burner just for this one program.......so guess I'll just be taking some lumps on this issue......an trashing the iso...............now thats going to really disappoint me.

" }-

Snowy,
if it's any consolation, CD Burners are rather cheap these days !! :)

Just wondering if you used file compression like WinRar or WinACE, would you be able to fit that OS on a 650 mb CDR ?? Just so you would have the file until you figure out how to burn it in ISO !! ;)

Good luck,
bill :)

[snowy]

Seems I too needed some sleep[......an just waking up now.

Well the burner's limitation is 650 mb,,,,,,a search for firmware didn't turn up anything other than tired eyes LOL

the iso that needs burning is 700 mb......can it be compressed 50 mb shorter....hey I am game for trying.

yes burners are fairly inexpensive......its not so much the cost.......just that I rarely use cd burner an seems a waste to purchase another one.....the computer is getting old....its been out to the barn and around the block more times then I care to remember.......still working like a fine clock...by the grace of my higher power.
well after a few pots of coffee.....I'll did into this more..

thank you everyone.....

[MickeyTheMan]

Snowman, something don't make sense.
I made that iso for knoppix using cd creator4 and a 700meg CD
Somehow you are overlooking a simple setting somewhere.
Heck when i bought my sys, 700 meg cd's didn't even exist, so it has to work... look again for the obvious overlooked thing...

[controler]

if the burner isn't detecting the disks, maybe they not formated?
I Have used CD Creator and love that program.
I have trouble sometimes trying to burn onto cheap CD's at higer speeds than 12 though, using an expensive Yahama and also cheaper ones. Most CD-R's come preformated.
You using CD-R or CD-WR?

[snowy]

MICKEY

I think you may well be absolutely right.....there is something I must be overlooking........an controler may have hit on it.....the cd may not be formatted.....


Controler

ok, you can call me super dumb...BUT HOW DO YOU FORMAT A CD?????? never was faced with that before.



Eyespy

found a firmware site and upgraded the software from v4 to v4.2.........


folks truely I am grateful for your help.....an want to give Koppix a real try...am just maybe get away from M$....again I thank each person you has replied......

p.s.
am trying out a new broswer..really its a bho...called tabsurf........looks like spyware.....

[snowy]

Found a site with instructions which I followed........supposedly there is a wizard to format the cd.......nope...no wizard........

at the moment the cd is stuck in f drive.....was doing a sys test of the drive with the cd in......an the cd would not even test.....its as if it just does not exist.........but using a 650 mb disc and all goes as it should...


Mickey....yes...according to what I just read easy cd creator WILL write a 700mb data cd...........so its not the burner.....it has to be something being overlooked.......

[eyespy]

-{ Quote: " quoting: snowy link=board=9;threadid=6028;start=15#40313 date=1041999672]

ok, you can call me super dumb...BUT HOW DO YOU FORMAT A CD?????? never was faced with that before.


Eyespy

found a firmware site and upgraded the software from v4 to v4.2.........

" }-

Snowy,
you can only format or erase a Re-writable CD or CDR-W.
CDR's , once written to, cannot be erased or altered.
As for Burning software (NERO, CLONECD, Roxio EASY CD CREATER, etc) that should not have any bearing on your burner being able to DETECT or READ certain blank disks or various disk sizes, it's the CD Reader itself. Firmware updates usually provide a fix to this problem.
Updated MoBO drivers also help with this issue by updating IDE drives and Bus controllers !!

regards,
bill ;)

[snowy]

Thought to let you guys know that by mistake I DELETED the program I was trying to burn........SO I AM RE-DL'ING IT>>>>ALL 700mb!!!!!

on such a slow dial-up this will take days.....

[MickeyTheMan]

Snowman, i could probably make a copy of it and send by mail faster if you wish ! Just email me details

[snowy]

MICKEY

That is most kind and considerate of you to offer.....I may very well take you up on the offer....so please leave it "open"

Right now...call it being stubborn....I would like to give this one more try at burning.......going to take 96 hours to download......so will do the downloading while sleeping or not doing business..........all in all may take a week....ouch!!
Mickey I think it was ready to burn when I deleted it.....the files are hidden....so made a new folder...named newdirectory.....checked HIDDEN in koppix....and the dl from image appeared.......at that point I have no idea what I did to delete the program............Yes I would have purchased the CD if it could be found in the U.S or CA.......

so what do you think of Knoppix ?

Thank you Mickey for the good Looking Out for me on this one......

[MickeyTheMan]

Knoppix is ideal to learn about LINUX.
By doing on the fly compression/decompression that CD is loaded with something like 2 gigs of programs.
As everything is run from the CD, there is no need to install on a dedicated partiion for Linux.
And the speed loss is somewaht negligeable.
All in all worthwile to have.

[snowy]

Mickey

much appreciate your opinion of the program....its just what I need..........a worthwhile download that I am sure I will put to good use.....

only getting 2500 bps dl speed....man that hurts! Ready to sell the house and move to where I can get dsl.....
using dlexpert to dl.....75 threads...

[snowy]

After three days of battling this issue my patience is worn.........re-moved Easy Cd creator entirely then did a clean install......from cd disc.........problem remains.

going to have to sit back and re-look at this mess....still can burn 650mb.....but no 700mb......an yes it clearly shows that it should burn 700mbs.........made every possible adjustment....still a no burn...........going to take a break from this......relax then try another time.

[controler]

Yes you can format the CD and write to it. I just didn't think any of the newer CD's were not preformated.
CD's are just like a floppy disk. You sure can't write to a floppy without formating it.
Here id the deal. You CAN write to a CD-R and write to it another day
if you haven't CLOSED it. BUT until you actualy close the CD, you won't be able to run it on any other CD-Rom.
Also the latest version of CD Creator is like 5.03 isn't it?

[snowy]

Controler

hey my friend......I am using cd-rw....and tryed several brand new never before used discs........none work,

like with a floppy I tryed to erase the disc..which in turn formats it.....but on the 700mb discs it wont erase...just sits there...which is the same thing that happens when trying to do a system test using the 700md...just sits there!!
the taskbar shows its a 700mb disc....an should test the transfer speed...it wont....but will with a 650 disc....odd.
I could easily download another burner or take Mickey's offer....an yet I feel that after paying for a burner it should work.....an I am just stubborn enough to try until it does.
burning cd's is not my normal thing.....at most have burned 10 cd's over the years...music and data....and iso's....never a problem until now......will just keep trying

[snowy]

Forgot to mention....I have Never been able to write to a cd-r disc.....have always had to use cd=rw discs...

[MickeyTheMan]

Snowman, you are not trying to burn that iso to a CD-RW i hope !

[eyespy]

-{ Quote: " quoting: controler link=board=9;threadid=6028;start=15#40550 date=1042086079]
Yes you can format the CD and write to it. I just didn't think any of the newer CD's were not preformated.
CD's are just like a floppy disk. You sure can't write to a floppy without formating it.
Here id the deal. You CAN write to a CD-R and write to it another day
if you haven't CLOSED it. BUT until you actualy close the CD, you won't be able to run it on any other CD-Rom.
Also the latest version of CD Creator is like 5.03 isn't it?
" }-

Controler,
I'm not sure you can format a CDR. Yes, you can leave the session open and add more files at another time, but once anything is written to the CDR, it cannot be erased or formatted, even while it was brand new !!
But just the opposite applies to CDR-W's !
Unless you have other burning software that I'm not yet aware of !! ;D

regards,
bill ;)

[snowy]

Well now I am REALLY UPSET...at myself!!!!!

The tray on drive f opened un-expectly...my leg hit...knocked the entire sliding try almost out of the tower.....an when trying to fix it I broke the door....hows that!!! But did get the tray back in.....seems to be working.........don't know about "writing" but it does "read"

Have dl'ed Nero.....after some sleep I'll remove Easy Cd and install Nero....just to see if the problem is with Easy Cd or the disc...........

Broke a part of the Ye Ole Computer....an broke my heart! This ole puter been through rough times but has always been well cared for.....a bubble bath every Saturday night......reformatted ever three months..........oooooooh now its door is broke.....
any comments on Nero....got the demo......

[eyespy]

-{ Quote: " quoting: snowy link=board=9;threadid=6028;start=30#40609 date=1042102791]


Well now I am REALLY UPSET...at myself!!!!!

The tray on drive f opened un-expectly...my leg hit...knocked the entire sliding try almost out of the tower.....an when trying to fix it I broke the door....hows that!!! But did get the tray back in.....seems to be working.........don't know about "writing" but it does "read"

Have dl'ed Nero.....after some sleep I'll remove Easy Cd and install Nero....just to see if the problem is with Easy Cd or the disc...........

Broke a part of the Ye Ole Computer....an broke my heart! This ole puter been through rough times but has always been well cared for.....a bubble bath every Saturday night......reformatted ever three months..........oooooooh now its door is broke.....
any comments on Nero....got the demo......
" }-

Snowy....
it may be time to grab a Java and take the afternoon off !! ;D

I use Nero. It came bundled with my A-Open Burner. It works very well for me.
Based on friend's comments, Roxio Easy CD Creator is another one I would recommend !!
I doubt that your problem is related to Easy CD Creator, but you never know !! :P

Regards,
bill ;)

[snowy]

BILL....very good advice...I'm bushed!! An trying to take care of business matters...with just one hour of sleep....a tired man makes mistakes

I agree...an don't think the problem is with Easy CD.....whats so odd is that when the 700mb disc is placed in f drive....the drive does not even see the disc....its as if its just not there. also tryed several other disc an immediately f drive see's them......so I am of the thought that this problem is related to the type of 700mb disc being used......
well back to work...then sleep...lots of restful sleep..

[KING]

DLEXPERT? Still in use? I moved on and suggest you all try FileHound (http://)...use it and never look back.

Best burning programs...
CloneCD (http://elby.ch/english/products/clone_cd/) and Blindwrite (http://www.blindwrite.com/)

To fix this problem quicker and easier it would be nice ot have the exact make and model of your burner.

I think you just need a new burner either way. Burners today are fine to keep for 5 years, but one from 5 years ago...I don't think so. :)

I have two ASUS, nice low price with the best technology around. Very fast, copy ANYTHING, what else can you ask for.

check out how good your burner really is (http://elby.ch/english/products/clone_cd/writers/a.html)

Just got the ASUS CRW-5224A for 76 USD including shipping and handling and last year I got the ASUS CRW-4816A for 86 w/ s&h. They are dirt cheap.

P.S. Don't go for hype name burners like Plextor or the new Yamaha F1. They are not as good as they say they are.

To update firmware or drivers you should check your burner makers official website for that.

[KING]

Almost forgot...

For compresion UltimateZip (http://www.ultimatezip.com)

Best around. ;)

[snowy]

KING....is that really KING.....

good gosh....last time I shared posts with you was when your cat was so ill...that was what..two..maybe three years ago........well hope all is well with you,.

by now everyone may be awear that I know zip about burners.......the one I have is Roxo Easy Cd Burner Standard Edition........an for the most part it works very well.....never had a problem with it until now using these 700mb disc.....I only use the burner now and then...but I do depend on it very much for backing up programs for when I do re-formats.....which saves me days of re-downloading.
Plus, when helpiong others I can just bring the CD's along with the needed programs.....a tremendous asset.

King, I will look at the links you provided....thank you very much.


EYESPY

I got some sleep LOL

[snowy]

King... you sure brought back memories,,,,,I just remembered that it was Mickey The Man who first got me into backing up my system on CD's.......we were discussing partitions at the time......


Snowy The Snowman

[snowy]

The burner's an Adaptec Easy Cd Creator standard edition

[snowy]

Questions: does Dlexpert need to be removed in order to install and use Filehound?

Will using Compression make the 700mb downloaded file fit on a 650mb cd ? The program runs from the cd...

[controler]

I didn't think Adapetc made a CD bruner called ez creater. I thought that was the name of the software used to burn the CD's.
If adaptec makes a burner, does it have a different name?
I go to their products page and don't see any burners listed.

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodindextech.html?sess=no&source=menu

[snowy]

Controler

you may be correct..I am not sure..thats why I posted both names. I think but again not sure..that the adaptec burner was purchased by ROXIO.....the upgraded drivers I download cam from them......but hey I know nothing on this subject......other than the frustration of my burn not working LOL

[KING]

I can't help but help people...it is a disease.

NO snowman, you don't need to remove dlexpert although after using filehound you will never use it again if the fastest downloads possible is what you want.

Controller is right snowman, you keep naming the software. That is burning software BUT the term burner refers to the physical drive in your computer and not the software. That is the root of all the confusion at the moment.

Right click my computer > Properties > Hardware > Device Manager > CD/DVD drives(expand) > tell us the make and model of your drives. This reveals the compnay that makes it and which one it is. that is what we need to know so that we can help you find firmware and driver updates if available.

[KING]

You can compress the download into one zip file and then put that on the CD. Ultimatezip compresses way better than any other program. Try it, it can't hurt.

Off to the movies...goodnight.

[snowy]

**Right click my computer > Properties > Hardware > Device Manager > CD/DVD drives(expand***




KING

The above listing is not there....I went through EVERYTHING thinking perhaps I wasn't seeing it.....but its just not there. this is on a win98

[snowy]

Was discussing this with a group at church this morning an two people there are also experiencing the same issue with the 700mb disc.....one youngster claims to have found a work around by tinkering "with the disc" but he wasn't able to explain in such a way that I could understand......

although I do believe there is a disc issue...."tinkering" with the disc does not sound quite like a solution.....but just in case it was....I walked all over that there silly disc....shook my finger at it.......called it a few rare names...but nope it still wont work....

[eyespy]

Snowy,
if only it were that easy !!

My Burner seems to have trouble detecting/reading the "generic" brand (no label) cdr's. I haven't had any trouble as of late with 'brand name" cdr's !

Compress it, burn it, save it for a rainy day!

Regards,
bill ;)

[snowy]

BILL

you may be right....really don't think I have any other option at this time. The people I mentioned were also experiencing the problem...contacted the vendors but no solution was forthcoming.......
for the heck of it I'll try other cd's....so far have tryed Compaq...memmorex and an off brand.

oh wellsss

[KING]

Hey guys,

Included with your hardware is always a manual. IN burner manuals they always tell you prefered media that will work best with it. Check that out and buy that media.

I say just go get a new one, they are dirt cheap now and once you have a really good one who knows what you will start getting into when there are no limitations. Need recommendaitons? Just ask.

In Win9x systems then you can find this same thing in Control Panel > System > a tree list of all devices > CD Rom/etc such as DVD ROM if available > tell the name you see there.

New burner is really the way to go, they are only getting cheaper and better. The better ones have no problems whatsoever and don't cost much at all. ;)

[snowy]

King

now this is very odd..mine is 9x.....but no listing such as you mention.....I also have DVD......the cdrom is there....but nothing related to what you posted......an I know you well enough to know that if its suppose to be listed then it should be................

yes I did dl TWO other burners for testing.....an will try later...........right now kinda tired.
The burn is by Roxio.

[Pieter_Arntz]

Hi snowy,

I stumbled into something that might help you to use Knoppix after all:
http://www.worldwidewait.com/daemontools/installation.html
With this you should be able to create a Virtual CD on your HD.
The download link on that page is no longer accessible for everyone.
It can be found here: http://www.daemon-tools.org/downloads.htm

Hope this helps,

Pieter

[snowy]

Pieter

GOT IT.....just downloaded> MUCH MUCH MUCH THANK YOU PIETER>

can't begin to say how disappointing this cd experience has been......put forth such an effort to download on a dial up ....only to not be able to burn the image....ouch that hurt.
Really do thank you for this Pieter......I now will have to re-download knoppix....last night I deleted the SECOND download.....had just about given up on ever being able to use the program.......


snowy

[Pieter_Arntz]

You're very welcome. :)
Let me know if it works.

Regards,

Pieter

[snowy]

Pieter

Will do.........say, I've a funny feeling this is going to be a real big hit with me........have already found and downloaded an add-on.........an can see many uses for this proggie............Pieter for years I've been trying to find a program such as this.......

It will take me several days to re-download the iso for knoppix......but for sure I wont mine the added effort..

Again....MUCH THANK YOU

Snowy

P>S if by chance you noticed my post "take it back/rant".......well un-installing that cd burner is what brought about that post.....