Mozilla Firefox 1.0 PR --[12-9-04]

[NICK ADSL UK]

New build now available
Please download from one of the major geeks mirrors

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2248.html

[gerardwil]

Because it is a PR I like to add this:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html

[bigc73542]

I just installed firefox 1,0 and it wiped out my windows update version5 and six other processes stating it was not compatable with firefox 1.0. Well I have been useing firefox 0.93 with it's little bugs trying to give it a fair chance. But after installing 1.0 I will never use firefox on my computer again. To repair the damage it did I had to do a system restore. Doesn't look like they are getting the bugs out yet.

[chew]

BigC

Oopps! That doesn't sound good.

I am on 0.9.3 at the moment.

Do you know what FF 1.0 actually wiped out?

:o

[bigc73542]

It said that my antivirus was not compatable, don't know which one. And one of my at programs again it didn't say which one. It said sun java1.50 it said my fugi digital imaging was not compatable and as I said it said it had disabled MS windows update ver.5 and what ever else it did it would not allow internet explorer to connect to the internet. It also killed all the programs I have set to lock IE homepage And internet options and opened it right up. In my opinion mozilla is sliding backwards fast. I do realize that this is not a final release but it is worse than their beta releases.

[ronjor]

I just installed over 0.9.3. I lost some extensions and themes. These are being rewritten by the authors.
It will update correctly now in the themes or extensions window.
My bookmarks remained intact.

It installed well for me.

[bigc73542]

I just remembered that firefox said that windows explorer was not compatable also. That is funny as this computer is only about four months old. and everything else runs on it

[chew]

BigC

... hmm ... that is a pain indeed. I hope they develop it slowly and take their time to ensure everything is fine before the final release. No point trying to catch up with the Version numbers. I think you should email the FF team about those issues and hope they can deal with it quickly.

Ronjor

... have you noticed any changes? Similar to that of BigC? Have you checked carefully.

:-\

[ronjor]

Did you install over 0.9.3? I don't ever remember getting those compatibility messages you are talking about.

This is the best install I have had yet.

It is nice to finally be able to update extensions from the window.

[bigc73542]

I will definatly send them the info on what occured on install of 1.0

[bigc73542]

Yes I did I install over 0.93 just like all the previous versions.

[chew]

Ronjor

I never installed Over the older FF version.

FF's instruction is to uninstall the older version first and then install the new version. But you need to save / back up your old profile before installing the newer version.

Correct me if I am wrong?

:-\

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "BigC

... hmm ... that is a pain indeed. I hope they develop it slowly and take their time to ensure everything is fine before the final release. No point trying to catch up with the Version numbers. I think you should email the FF team about those issues and hope they can deal with it quickly.

Ronjor

... have you noticed any changes? Similar to that of BigC? Have you checked carefully.

:-\" }-


I can't find a shortcut to my newsreader but other than that, it's fine.

I updated some extensions and themes right from the browser. Some are still not ready.

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "Ronjor

I never installed Over the older FF version.

FF's instruction is to uninstall the older version first and then install the new version. But you need to save / back up your old profile before installing the newer version.

Correct me if I am wrong?

:-\" }-


I said to heck with it and installed over 0.9.3. Worked great.

If using xp with system restore, why not?

[gerardwil]

First uninstall the older version, your settings, profile etc. are in a different folder and can stay there.

[chew]

Ronjor

LOL ... is that the new FF logo ... LOL ... I thought it was a "turkey" ... sorry but it took me a while to actually see the "FF" ...

How about the Window Explorer thingy like what BigC mentioned before. Any problem with that?

How's your IE? Window Update etc., ? Working?

:)

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "Ronjor

LOL ... is that the new FF logo ... LOL ... I thought it was a "turkey" ... sorry but it took me a while to actually see the "FF" ...

How about the Window Explorer thingy like what BigC mentioned before. Any problem with that?

How's your IE? Window Update etc., ? Working?

:)" }-


That is the theme window with Noia Extreme installed.

I checked IE and windows update after reading what bigc said and it works fine.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "First uninstall the older version, your settings, profile etc. are in a different folder and can stay there." }-


I do delete the firefox folder in program files before install but it still retains all bookmarks and settinge such as skins.

[chew]

Thanks Ronjor for the glimpse of the FF extension and the info. Sure looks good.

I never tried Extension before so perhaps this time I will try to tart my FF up a bit ... that is if I am confident enough to install it before the final release.

:)

P/s: Usually I just used Add/Remove Program in the Control panel to Uninstall FF that's all ... I never tried to delete anything at all. Then I just installed the newer FF version.

[gerardwil]

-{ Quote: "I do delete the firefox folder in program files before install but it still retains all bookmarks and settinge such as skins." }-
Anything here bigc?:

C:\Documents and Settings\some name\Application Data\Mozilla\....

[ronjor]

On this install, Firefox disabled the extensions that wouldn't work as well as the themes that wouldn't work.

After I installed, I went to the extension editor and checked for updates. There were several that were ready for installing.

Did the same with the theme manager. Some were ready.

The extensions that won't work are grayed out. You can check from this window for updates.

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "That is the theme window with Noia Extreme installed.

I checked IE and windows update after reading what bigc said and it works fine." }-
Hmmmm...the Noia eXtreme seem to download ok but it would not load into browser.....yes, i closed and reopened browser :-\

[ronjor]

Did you try to install from the themes manager in Firefox?

[Rainwalker]

BTW.....this baby seems even faster then the last ;)

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "BTW.....this baby seems even faster then the last ;)" }-

I agree.

[bigc73542]

I am glad you guys are haveing good luck with 1.0 you can have my part of it. It won't bite me twice. I did reinstall 0.93 and it runs just fine [for a beta] ;D

[ronjor]

You'll be back. ;D ;D 8)

[bigc73542]

Not as long as opera works better for me ;D 8) ;) :lurking:

[ronjor]

Installing Firefox CORRECTLY.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=125207

[bigc73542]

I got 1.0 working but it will still be my backup browser ;D 8)

[ronjor]

I thought maybe you might give it an hour or so. Welcome back!! ;D ;D 8)

I just installed correctly to get rid of the double entry in add/remove programs. :-[

System restore comes in handy at times. :D

[chew]

Guys

I think I will just wait for the Final Release Version 1.0. for the moment. Not long to go.

BTW ... I always think 0.9.3 is a very good beta and fast too. Hmmm ... 1.0 is faster ... whooohoo!

Ok time to go to bed now.

Cheerio

:)

[Justhelping]

I'll wait.

[FluxGFX]

Am I the only one not to have any issues with the PR1 of FireFox under WinXP SP2 ?

[ronjor]

No problems at all here. I just installed over 0.9.3 when I should have uninstalled 0.9.3 first. I had two Mozilla's in my add remove programs.

runs great!

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "Did you try to install from the themes manager in Firefox?" }-

GaDay Ron......yep...sure did and it is showing as 2.75 grayed over as it sits there.

[ronjor]

I just updated a couple of themes from the browser widow. So I know it works.

I tried some extensions and they wouldn't update. All is not ready yet.

You could go to documents and settings and delete all the extensions there and start over. It doesn't take that long. I've done it! :D

Documents and settings,your name,applicaton data,Mozilla,Firefox, profiles,default.lee, extensions

If I were doing it, after deleting the extensions, I would uninstall Firefox and do a reinstall.

[NICK ADSL UK]

-{ Quote: "I just installed firefox 1,0 and it wiped out my windows update version5 and six other processes stating it was not compatable with firefox 1.0. Well I have been useing firefox 0.93 with it's little bugs trying to give it a fair chance. But after installing 1.0 I will never use firefox on my computer again. To repair the damage it did I had to do a system restore. Doesn't look like they are getting the bugs out yet." }-


Hi BigC :)
So sorry to hear it has caused you problem's. I had been playing around with it and couldn't find anything wrong with it so i posted it. Just goes to show how careful you have to be when installing software

Best regards

[ronjor]

Firefox RC1 is running like a champ here. And, it IS faster than the last release.

[bigc73542]

I have firefox working alright now but It still has those little beta bugs, but I will admit it is getting better with each release.

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "I just updated a couple of themes from the browser widow. So I know it works.

I tried some extensions and they wouldn't update. All is not ready yet.

You could go to documents and settings and delete all the extensions there and start over. It doesn't take that long. I've done it! :D

Documents and settings,your name,applicaton data,Mozilla,Firefox, profiles,default.lee, extensions

If I were doing it, after deleting the extensions, I would uninstall Firefox and do a reinstall." }-

At work today i thought ::) that when i got home i would do that. Only had to delete the grayed over item and it popped right in......sweet browser.....sweeeet ;)

[ronjor]

This Bud's on me! Great news!

[justhelping]

-{ Quote: "Am I the only one not to have any issues with the PR1 of FireFox under WinXP SP2 ?" }-

The only one who seems to have problems is a guy who is a well known Opera fanatic. The negative energy against firefox must have caused the problems. Still as of his last post he got it working....

As for extensions not working, have you tried rebundling them? My experience is most of them will work, the only reason why Firefox disables them is because the <em:maxversion> is set too low.

All you need to do is to edit the install.rdf in each extension installed in your profile to read

<em:maxVersion>0.1</em:maxVersion>

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "The only one who seems to have problems is a guy who is a well known Opera fanatic. The negative energy against firefox must have caused the problems. Still as of his last post he got it working...." }-

I don't believe bigc is a fanatic about anything but helping people.
We are lucky to have him on this forum.

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "I don't believe bigc is a fanatic about anything but helping people.
We are lucky to have him on this forum." }-

::) Without a doubt that be true >:(

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "This Bud's on me! Great news!" }-
your on 8)

[bigc73542]

What pub are we going to. :) I'll get the second round

[ronjor]

Makes no difference to me as long as the beer is cold. Any old roadside "tavern" will work. :D

[bigc73542]

here is one

[ronjor]

That will work! We'll peel off Rt 66 during our travel a quaff a brew!

[Tassie_Devils]

Ron, hi...

Do you have TabBrowser Extension installed and is it working.
I won't install new version unless I can have that particular extension running.

Actually here is screenie of my extensions, if you have any of those do they still work.

I also noticed you have NoiaXtreme Theme, ;D ;D so at least I will be a happy camper with that.

Just that I have never had a problem with 9.03 and don't want to screw up at this stage.

I've tried installing TabBrowser in couple other friends PC's and getting the top 'ScrollBar' to work properly when multiple TABS opened seemed to be a hit and miss affair. Work on some, not on others. It's working on mine here, and would hate to have that feature lost as well. :(

TAS.... Thanks :D

[dog]

Hey Tas, ;)

Yes, the tabbrowser extension works, as well does the adblock nightly from your list. Another that I use, not on your list also works without issue is, all in one mouse gestures.

HTH,

dog - *puppy*

[Tassie_Devils]

Hi dog *puppy*

Thanks for the feedback. I shall give it a try in the next couple of days then.
I still have 0.93 .exe to reinstall if any probs.
I will uninstall FF first, but leave the profile under Application Data so all settings, etc. should 'take'....I hope.... hate having to reimport everything again.

Cheers, TAS

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "Ron, hi...

Do you have TabBrowser Extension installed and is it working.
I won't install new version unless I can have that particular extension running.

Actually here is screenie of my extensions, if you have any of those do they still work.

I also noticed you have NoiaXtreme Theme, ;D ;D so at least I will be a happy camper with that.

Just that I have never had a problem with 9.03 and don't want to screw up at this stage.

I've tried installing TabBrowser in couple other friends PC's and getting the top 'ScrollBar' to work properly when multiple TABS opened seemed to be a hit and miss affair. Work on some, not on others. It's working on mine here, and would hate to have that feature lost as well. :(

TAS.... Thanks :D" }-



Tas,

Some of the extensions aren't ready yet.

I tried Tabbrowser in an earlier version. It wouldn't work well for me.

Most everything can be updated from the browser. That feature is working most of the time.

I notice you have Firesomething. That is a really useful extension!! ;D Much fun.

Check the themes and extensions pages. They are updated daily.

This is what I have so far.

[chew]

I've decided to upgrade to Firefox 1.0PR yesterday for me and my gf and everything is running smoothly. We are Safe Mode users ...

But after seeing the nice extension from you guys ... I am tempted to mess around with some extensions soon ... ;D

So I will search around before I install them.

;)

[Tassie_Devils]

Hi Chew.... yep, they are fun....

3 extensions I absolutely love:

TabBrowser Extension [note tabs, scroll bar in screen shot for multiple tabs]
FireSomething [note the name of my Browser top right, ;D ]
Noia eXtreme Theme... see the button, scroll bar, nice colours.

Cheers, TAS

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "here is one" }-

Works for me....BTW interesting site.
After that we should plan a trip to the UK to visit our friends there....besides...i hate to admit it...i prefere me beer at cellar temperature
:)

[FluxGFX]

Well all to say depends what you drink...

But I like the beer they got in Amsterdam :)

[stalker]

Hello


1. I am not sure, but I think it is also recommended, somewhere on www.mozilla.org, for those who use installers, that they uninstall previous version first, delete folders, and then install new version (optionally, I would also search for left-overs in registry, and reboot after making all these changes)

Yeah, it is because of all these problems (well, it is one of the reasons) with upgrading, updating installed software, I prefer "non-setup" usage.



2. In Firefox's and Thunderbird's case, that means to use .zip files, rather than .exe installer.

After first program execution, they surely both writes to registry, same as both "setup/install" veriants, but when you upgrade, it is clearly stated on Mozilla.org, that you musn't copy new version into same directory as previous is already installed.


So you simply backup bookmarks.html, user.js, prefs.js, cookies.txt, cookperm.txt, hostperm.1, signons.txt, key3.db files to some "safe" location, delete old installation's directory, create new folder, extract/copy new release, restore backuped files, and that's about it !!



Cheers all

[Firefoxversusopera]

-{ Quote: "I don't believe bigc is a fanatic about anything but helping people.
We are lucky to have him on this forum." }-

The second sentence might or might not be true, but as for opera....

Whenever someone mentions Firefox, a certain member cannot resist plugging Opera and running down Firefox even though it's clear that member doesn't know much about Firefox.

See for example,
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=48205

Msg 2.

I'm sure a search of Bigc and firefox can uncover many more examples.

That's okay, browsers are a very religious thing lol

[bigc73542]

I am useing firefox right now, and I do have the right to express my opinion about a piece of software. I have not bashed or said that firefox is no good. in fact see my post #16 here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=259246#post259246) it is just that I have preferences the same as you do.

bigc

[jackfox]

-{ Quote: "Hello


1. I am not sure, but I think it is also recommended, somewhere on www.mozilla.org, for those who use installers, that they uninstall previous version first, delete folders, and then install new version (optionally, I would also search for left-overs in registry, and reboot after making all these changes)

" }-

I really doubt that. What ever registry changes made by Firefox's installers are minimal and will not affect the functioning of the browser. At best, I remember a registry fix built in that allows flash or maybe shockwave to work, but that was ages ago.

The advise is not to OVERWRITE the old browser files with the newer one.

I (and many others) have happily, run 2 different versions of firefox in different directories.

-{ Quote: "
Yeah, it is because of all these problems (well, it is one of the reasons) with upgrading, updating installed software, I prefer "non-setup" usage.
" }-

I prefer the non-setup usuage, mainly because I don't really need a uninstaller/installer.

-{ Quote: "
After first program execution, they surely both writes to registry, same as both "setup/install" veriants, but when you upgrade, it is clearly stated on Mozilla.org, that you musn't copy new version into same directory as previous is already installed.
" }-

Indeed this is the biggie! You *can* and usually should reuse your profile though.

-{ Quote: "

So you simply backup bookmarks.html, user.js, prefs.js, cookies.txt, cookperm.txt, hostperm.1, signons.txt, key3.db files to some "safe" location, delete old installation's directory, create new folder, extract/copy new release, restore backuped files, and that's about it !!" }-

I haven't used an installer for a long time, but doesn't uninstalling give you the option to keep your profiles?

I personally backup my profiles anyway, this is very good practice espically when you install lots of extensions to play with.

You might also want to backup the files in your firefox plugin and search plugin folders so you don't need to redownload search engines and plugins everytime you change firefox versions.









Cheers all" }-

[Comp01]

Personally I am sticking with 0.9.3 until it gets to RC1. Though, 1.0PR on my 98SE machine runs smoothly, but it has a few glitches (Like the pop up stopper won't turn off for me, for some odd reason - Even if I add a site to allow, or turn it off completly.)

[stalker]

-{ Quote: "The advise is not to OVERWRITE the old browser files with the newer one." }-


That's exactly what I said, well it seems we agree.



-{ Quote: "Indeed this is the biggie! You *can* and usually should reuse your profile though." }-


I reuse those settings, stored in files that I mentioned in previous post (I got the lost somewhere in Mozilla's docs), for others, I simply set all the important stuff again (performance and security stuff in about:config and under Tools -- Options), it takes less than 5 minutes to set all my four profiles (the default one with 2-3 extensions, and two "extra" profiles, that are without additional extensions, clean and fast


/EDIT: I use Firefox with MOZ_NO_REMOTE path varable set.



I remeber having some problems when I tried to resore "too much" things. It is that, you never know where in some configuration file, there is also some path stored (or something that was "specific" to previous installation) , and you put Firefox to some other folder after upgrading or reinstallation



But anyway, I really do not know why one "should reuse" user profile though

[mercurie]

Fellow Creatures,
First of all lets stop giving BigC a hard time. One of the kindest most helpful creatures in our forest. OPERA I use it too.

I noticed a single line here at the Wilders that said,"most here seem to favor FireFox". My boss at work told me the other day it was wonderful. So well with out hardly any research I set a restore point and downloaded to desktop and installed. I decided to start with a clean slate so I told it to import nothing from IE and I have never had it on my computer before. So far no problems I am on it now. Does PR mean PreRelease. You mean this is in a sort of beta state release???? I got lots of questions. I will say this it is fast. Wow!!!! If it is not really ready for regular dummy like me maybe I should uninstall and wait. Or do go back on restore point? What do you think. :o

[ronjor]

-{ Quote: "What do you think" }-

Use it! It won't hurt a thing. :)

[bigc73542]

I guess I will have to admit that the more I use firefox the more I like it. But it still runs second ;D . No all kidding aside some of the negativity towards mozilla browsers was contrived. I have used mozilla browsers ever since Internet explorer just released version 4. And all of them worked well, the only thing was netscape was a little bloated. So I will quit throwing opera at you although it is also a good browser.

*puppy* bigc *puppy*

[ronjor]

"There never were in the world two opinions alike, no more than two hairs or two grains; the most universal quality is diversity"

Michel de Montaigne (French philosopher and writer. 1533-1592)


Just about sums it up. :)

[bigc73542]

Without diversity the world would be a boring place to live. ;)

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: "I guess I will have to admit that the more I use firefox the more I like it. But it still runs second ;D . No all kidding aside some of the negativity towards mozilla browsers was contrived. I have used mozilla browsers ever since Internet explorer just released version 4. And all of them worked well, the only thing was netscape was a little bloated. So I will quit throwing opera at you although it is also a good browser.

*puppy* bigc *puppy*" }-

Hey BigC............i say keep throwing it
;D

[mercurie]

-{ Quote: ""There never were in the world two opinions alike, no more than two hairs or two grains; the most universal quality is diversity"

Michel de Montaigne (French philosopher and writer. 1533-1592)


Just about sums it up. :)" }-
I like that. Very true. I will use it then. BigC must be reading my mind to I wanted to replace Netscape 7.1, and on this machine run IE, OPERA and Firefox. Thanks. ;)

[Jackfox]

-{ Quote: "That's exactly what I said, well it seems we agree.


I reuse those settings, stored in files that I mentioned in previous post (I got the lost somewhere in Mozilla's docs), for others, I simply set all the important stuff again (performance and security stuff in about:config and under Tools -- Options), it takes less than 5 minutes to set all my four profiles (the default one with 2-3 extensions, and two "extra" profiles, that are without additional extensions, clean and fast)

" }-

And what about profiles with lots of extensions? Using the files you mentioned below, you not only have to download and reinstall the extension but also have to reset the configs for the extensions. If you are using adblock, you will need to reimport the adblock list for example. If you reuse the profile all this is automatically retained.

Sounds to me you would be better off just reusing the profiles!


-{ Quote: "
I remeber having some problems when I tried to resore "too much" things. It is that, you never know where in some configuration file, there is also some path stored (or something that was "specific" to previous installation) , and you put Firefox to some other folder after upgrading or reinstallation
" }-

Doesn't sound like anything that applies now. Extensions now are fully installed in the profiles and do not point to other paths.

In which versions did you experience problems? In the past (pre-0.9), the danger of reusing profiles was due to extensions. The extension handling system was not as robust then, and there was a chance that the extensions would break something. Currently, the system errs on the side of caution and extensions are automatically disabled if not explictly marked as okay.


-{ Quote: "
But anyway, I really do not know why one "should reuse" user profile though" }-

Because I said so of course.

[stalker]

Hola ...


-{ Quote: "And what about profiles with lots of extensions? ... If you are using adblock, you will need to reimport the adblock list for example. If you reuse the profile all this is automatically retained." }-

Ops, sorry jackfox, I forgot to mention, I use only one additional extesnion (beside the default one DOM Inspector), because of my computing principles, but as the most important, it seems I need to emphasize again - I am always reffering (on forum's discussions) only to my system's specs, conditions, particular my way of PC-usage (minimalism principle), my level of knowledge, etc.


-{ Quote: "Sounds to me you would be better off just reusing the profiles!" }-

If we're talking about upgrading, I suppose not (in case of .zip package with no installation), because of that article in Mozilla's FAQ, or somewhere, but maybe you're right, and it is possible to restore the whole previous profile setups. Don't know actually, and also, I do not care much.


It seems on a lots of forums, there is always one guy, that do not understand this. Rather read my post again ...

-{ Quote: "Yeah, it is because of all these problems (well, it is one of the reasons) with upgrading, updating installed software, I prefer "non-setup" usage." }-


It is you, who say what one should do.


Cheers all