Alternate Email client

[Phazor]

Back on track on trying to find an alternate email client, Using OE now.
So my question is do most of you still use OE or have you switched to a different program?
If you switched what do you use/recommend. Doesnt really matter whether its free or shareware. Something along the line of OE,as it seems sufficient and dont know if i really need any other bells and whistles. Although i have considered adding a spamkiller type program (mailwasher). Will mailwasher or other spamkiller program work along with an alternate email client or should i stick with OE and just add the spamkilling program on the side.

[root]

I use Poco. Safe, slick and gets the job done. It is not susceptable to all those nasties that OE is.
Has lots of features also.
http://www.pocomail.com/

[luv2bsecure]

I agree with root on POCO - it's a nice email client. Also, POCO Mobile or whatever they call (POCO PE maybe?) is about as secure as you can get. It runs off one of those USB tokens and leaves NO TRACES at all of email on the computer. Not one file. If you have a good USB Thumbdrive - say 128mb - you're setup for a good long while!

But, my favorite is The Bat --

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/

Sweet program

If you want easily the most secure email client on the market -- though it would cost you a small chunk of change -- try SecureBat http://www.ritlabs.com/securebat/index.html

If I'm not mistaking, I think Paul uses THE BAT and hopefully he could post here with a few insghts.

Good Luck in your search!

John
Luv2bSecure

[Paul Wilders]

John,

-{ Quote: "If I'm not mistaking, I think Paul uses THE BAT and hopefully he could post here with a few insghts." }-

Indeed I do. In case visiting the Ritlab site and pages still leave questions unanswered, I'll gladly (try to) answer them.

regards.

paul

[root]

The Bat is probably ahead of Eudora in popularity by now. It is indeed an excellent email client.
Being old and feebleminded, I had the darndest time trying to set it up though. I don't know what my problem was because I haven't heard of people complaining about it not being easy to use.
At any rate, I highly suggest to others, use the Bat, Use Poco, use incredimail, anything but that worm infested Outlook or OE.
Do you good people know if we got rid of Outlook, OE, and IE, we would not have to worry about things like code red, nimda, BugBear, and 90% of the other nasties around the net.
Yes, I know the old arguement, if The Bat were the most popular program, then the hackers would be writing programs for them. Well, I don't think they would find the going as easy though. Its a matter of priorities.
Just my 2 scents worth. ;D

[JacK]

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use incredimail, anything but that worm infested Outlook or OE.
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Hi ;)

Incredimail ("free") is spy/adware....
I think (not checked for a while) it inherited the same flaws as OE + its own.

OE6SP1 with "read all messages in plain txt" is as secure as any other tool ;)
I agree about the Bat : great progy ;)

Cheers,

[Pieter_Arntz]

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Incredimail ("free") is spy/adware....
I think (not checked for a while) it inherited the same flaws as OE + its own.
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Just adware last time I checked, but doesn't the same go for the freeware version of Eudora?
I've been using the full version of Incredimail for quite some time (I know.. I know.. I'm a sucker for smilies :D ) I'm pretty sure it shares some weaknesses with OE, but they're not tested as often.
And it's no more then common sense not to use the preview options.
One advantage over OE: if I ever get infected with a mailworm or anything like that, at least my OE addressbook is empty ;D

Regards,

Pieter

[Logan5]

Take a look at Becky Mail. You can find more info at the Becky Forums.

http://www.morelerbe.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

I dropped OE over a year ago and went with Becky.

Logan

[Paul Wilders]

Hi Logan,

-{ Quote: "Take a look at Becky Mail." }-

Not bad at all indeed ;).

regards.

paul

[Tinribs]

I Use Mozilla's built in email client, safe and secure, similar to OE and Nod32 still scans email with a few tweaks.

ps Root I wouldn't call 50ish old and feeble minded!!!

[bubs]

I haven't shopped around much, but FWIW I''d go along with Tinribs. The Bat! seems very popular with OpenPGP activists, which is a pretty good recommendation for its security / privacy features.

PS - Eek! - my 101st posting!

[Tinribs]

Congrats bubs!!! have a cookie to get started on ;)


ps she is one fine Elf, shame I'm an old Ogre. :D

[Prince_Serendip]

:) Hello Everyone!

I have OE rusting away in a corner somewhere around here. Never use it. I use Webmail. It has drawbacks but it's economical and quick. For secure stuff I use ZipLip. If anything does get sent to my OE it bounces to a web address.

I never store my addresses in OE. That goes double for unsecured webmail providers. I keep them all in an encrypted format. No one can steal/use them. Works for me!

Best regards from Larry! 8)

;) Hey, bubs? Two cookies taste better than one! Congrats!

[FanJ]

Hey Bubs,

Congrats from me too !!! :)

Cheers, Jan.

[luv2bsecure]

Has anybody ever seen or used a program called "Delta Mail"??

See:

http://tinyclick.com/?DELTAMAIL
(This is actually a PC World URL, but it was so long it kept gettiing truncated so I used Tiny Click to make my own URL)

and

http://www.zenzon.fsnet.co.uk/download.html

I downloaded this several weeks ago and it is a very interesting program. I'm not using it or anything - just testing it - but if you're interested in email privacy, you should read the little blurb and download - you don't have to install, it's just a small little program that has some serious encryption. It's frustrating though as I have written the developer three times with a question and have received nothing in return. If anyone has tried it, what did you think? And if you do download and take a look -- let us know what you think!

John
Luv2bSecure

[JacK]

-{ Quote: " quoting: luv2bsecure link=board=9;threadid=4352;start=0#28697 date=1035529544]
I downloaded this several weeks ago and it is a very interesting program. I'm not using it or anything - just testing it - but if you're interested in email privacy, you should read the little blurb and download - you don't have to install, it's just a small little program that has some serious encryption. It's frustrating though as I have written the developer three times with a question and have received nothing in return. If anyone has tried it, what did you think? And if you do download and take a look -- let us know what you think!

John
Luv2bSecure
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Hi John,

I 'll give it a try.
BTW that's remind me of a little tool no longer to d/l by
Diamond Computer Systems Pty. Ltd.
http://www.diamondcs.com.au
Very handy for punctual use :

X-Message allows you to send an encrypted message to a friend by making a special .exe file that contains your message. Simply run xmessage.exe, type in your message, and click the Make button. This will generate the X-Message - a file - message.exe

Send message.exe to your friend. When they run it, the message will decrypt and be displayed on screen.

You can password-lock messages. Passwords are 16 bytes long (128-bit encryption). If an X-Message is password locked, the recipient must type the password before the message will decrypt and display.

The X-Message self-decrypting file runs checksum tests on it's contents (executable and encrypted data), and it will not load if these have been tampered with (for example, by a cracker or virus).

Rgds,

[luv2bsecure]

Well Jack, you are right -- I couldn't find anyplace to download using Google. Too bad as X-Message sounds like a nifty little tool.

The closest thing to that would be HidePro (free) which uses strong encryption and will encrypt any file and creates a .exe executable - not bad for email. I think I've mentioned it before. http://www.tihy.ro/eng/index.html the Romanian page is at http://www.tihy.ro

If anyone knows how I could get my hands on X-Message let me know!

John
Luv2bSecure

[Phazor]

Ok everybody thanks for the suggestions, right after posting this topic i went out and surfed and found 6 email programs that i thought i would be interested in and after looking at them im down to 2.
Wanna guess which ones????.........
poco and the bat...
Have a few questions though...

Has anyone compared Poco and the Bat as far as resource usage? Seems i read a post where poco uses alot of resources.

How about as far as features go?

Usability which do you find the simplest to use as im looking into this as an alternate for my mothers email program. To help protect her against nasties and get her off of OE. In Short can mom use it without to much trouble.

As far as the bat goes. Purchasing the program does that intitle you to all upgrades or are those at an addtional charge. Couldnt find anything on their site about it.

And correct me if im wrong but the Bat allows you to import/export OE Message folders, whereas with poco this option is not available. You cannot transfer you current messages and folders to poco?

Phazor

[Tinribs]

I used to use Pcomail and I'm fairly sure you could import mail, I know it imports address books ???

I know Root uses it so I'm sure he'll be along to straighten us out soon :)

[root]

Hi. As far as comparative resource usage goes, I have no idea. I hav 2k and its not an issue, but when I looked, it had about 5meg in memory. I am an intense email user with lots of traffic and stored messages.
Poco will import directly, messages from OE, Netscape, Eudora, Pegasus, and EML files. It will import directly Address books from Netscape, Eudora, and CSV files. I think OE will export CSV files.
The Bat has a large loyal following. Poco has a somewhat smaller loyal following, which in the long run will make it safer. The virus coders almost always pick on the most popular programs to do the most damage. That's why I don't recommend Eudora anymore.
Poco is feature rich and supports skins. It uses its own rendering engine for HTML so it is not succeptable to OE worms.
I have nothing to gain by convincing you to use Poco. I simply prefer it to The Bat as it is much easier to use, I think. Either is a vast improvement in safety over OE.
Many may come back and say, if you keep OE updated and properly patched, it is as safe as Poco. I do not want to have to worry if I have all the patches and to try to make sure I get the patch before the worm gets to me.
I do not want programs I have to keep patching, period.
End lecture. :)

[luv2bsecure]

Hello!

Having to worry about the export/import issue is one email clients should be waaayyy past. The problem is Microsoft. Eudora had the right idea with folders and backup files being plain text - open with any text reader - Notepad!! But with the .dbx and all the other stuff in proprietary formats with Outlook and Outlook Express - it just doesn't make sense to me.

As for the Bat, I think as good as it is (and would be my choice along with Poco as a close second), it wouldn't be fair to not mention that the importing of folders from OE can take some manual work once they're brought over. It doesn't necessarily keep them in the same folder titles, and can truly take some work after importing. But, truly, it's worth it.

But, again, really we shouldn't have to worry about this. If Eudora could pull off the compression of plain text folders and keep things stable and easy to backup, there's no reason Microsoft can't do the same thing - except that by keeping their format proprietary, they keep people using their products so they'll think twice about the potential hassles of switching. At least, I can't think of another reason why MSFT would stick with this .dbx format.

John
Luv2bSecure

[bellgamin]

I like Calypso - it's free, powerful, stable, looow on system resource usage. Download at...
http://download.mcsdallas.com/binaries/email/calypso33.exe

User's group [one of Calypso' lead programmers is a denizen there] is at...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CalypsoMail

FAQ at...
http://www.ouisoft.com/calypso.htm

Another recommendation is Phoenix Mail [no kin to the browser] -- it's free, open source, & super friendly. Get it from...
http://fox.hispeed.com/phoenix/us_home.shtml

JOHN - thanks for the Delta recm. I shall check it out. I am an email-client-junkie who will try anything that isn't M$.

P.S. - Surprisingly, no one mentioned the China entry - FoxMail. Haven't tried it yet myself but have read some good reviews.

shaloha............bellgamin

[Phazor]

-{ Quote: "Poco will import directly, messages from OE, Netscape, Eudora, Pegasus, and EML files. " }-
Im i not getting something... http://www.pocomail.com/faq.html -- look under importing messages....
Not to put you on the spot but i was going to try it out, until i found this and figured if i didnt like it i spent alot of time for nothing if i cant import/export.

[root]

What can I say? Those are the programs that show up in the drop down boxes to import from other clients.
I know OE works because I imported my OE messages. The only thing I was unhappy about was I could not import Opera email.
You are making this harder than it is. You can download trial copies of The Bat and Poco and try them out to see which you like best.
Go to Webattack.com and download Total Uninstall. It is a free program. Use it to install one of the programs and if you don't like it, use Total Uninstall to uninstall it. It will completely remove it.
That's the way I do all my installs now.

[luv2bsecure]

Hi Phazor,

I have to agree with root here....just download the trial and try to import them. If it works great! It wouldn't take much time at all actually. You could know 30 minutes from now. It will leave your OE folders in place if that is a worry. They will still be there if you try and it partially works, or messes up, or ---etc. Just uninstall and start the serach over!

root,

As always you have something wise to pass along. I had never heard of Total Uninstaller. What a program! It truly does exactly what it says - and it's freeware - wow. It does the best job of any uninstaller I have ever used. It really does get *every* file. I like that :) Thanks for passing that one along.

John
Luv2BSecure

[deadmanschest]

Hi all - seems no one has mentioned (freeware) Pegasus 4.01 from NZ. Large program, but full featured, secure and fast for its size. Has a 'Send To' utility (add-on) that integrates into Windows Sent To menu. Became my replacement for Outbreak Express.

Allows you to run multiple versions of the app, but only one at a time.

I also use the Opera browser client, small and fast and cleanly integrates in the browser, very fast Only supports POP account, no IMAP.

Pegasus is overkill for my needs, but it has some powerful filter capabilities built in, and is very well written, with some excellent Help menus, if needed. It ran very well straight out of the box.

dmc

[puff-m-d]

Hello all,

I use The Bat! and love it.... It is very easy to use. As far as resources, It uses about 9 megs the way I have it set-up. I use PGP with it integrated into The Bat1! and have 4 mail accounts set-up.

You can import mail with the types *.msg, *.eml, *.msb and from unix mailboxes.

You can also import mailboxes, see below attachment.

HTH.

Regards,
Kent

[puff-m-d]

Hello all,

As far as updates are concerned, here is what RitLabs says:

* Note for users of previous versions of The Bat! - do not uninstall your existing copy of The Bat! - just install the new version over. It will save your breath and time. Registered users of The Bat! - your registration is valid for this version and other 1.xx versions - just follow the instructions above.

The cureent personal edition version is 1.61. If I understand correctly, your registration will cover all updates until 2.0.

HTH.

Regards,
Kent

[Phazor]

Ok i finally got around to getting it installed, got it set up and working retrieving mail. So far im liking it but i do have a few things i noticed that i dont care for and i dont know if there is some settings somewhere that i missed.
Im on dial up by the way.

1. When clicking on the Poco icon, it asks me to enter my pop3 password before even logging on to the internet. I know its not OE but isnt this a little backwards?

2. Noticed when done checking mail and i quit the program I dont get that box that asks if i want to stay logged on or disconnect from the internet. Being on dialup it would be nice if i could get that box to come up.

Thanks Everyone for you imput.
So far i have not done any importing as i want to get see how i liked it first.

[root]

Poco saves your password. Did you put it in the accounts box when you set it up?
Tool>options>under general setting>Network options, you can check automatically hang up after connections finished. No question box though.
Go to the tools and all thru the accounts setup and check and make sure you have filled in everything you need.
Then go to options and open up the tree view and check each page carfefully for the options you want. There are a lot of features there.

[Phil]

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I use Poco. Safe, slick and gets the job done. It is not susceptable to all those nasties that OE is.
Has lots of features also.
http://www.pocomail.com/
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root,

I know your post above is a little old but I wanted to say "thank you". I have been casting about off and on for several months for a new email client. I was forced to dump my old Netscape after purchasing this machine and have been using OE for the first time ever. OE6 *is* a good client but I just get that icky feeling every time I fire it up and can't get over it. I have tried a few and didn't like them for one reason or another. I was trialing The Bat! when I was linked to this thread from another. I know many people *love* The Bat! but they must drink a lot or somethin'. (sorry Paul and John -- HEY, does Ringo use it too? ;D ) I'm quite sure I just didn't spend enough time with it to learn the in's and out's, but it didn't make me WANT to spend any more time. Had I not been using Total Uninstall, I would have had a heck of a time getting rid of it because it refused to uninstall and caused some system goofs. I have since read the new release does have problems on XP SP1. That's no joke! ::)

Anywho -- I am now a registered Pocomail user. I had looked at the web site several times before but never tried it. Your postings here prompted me to go ahead and give it a test drive. It only took me a very few days to see this is the one for me. Now I have to come to grips with the more powerful features like scripting but I don't think that will be too difficult. Now all we need to do is get ESET to get the new NOD32 squared away with Poco and we will be good to go. With the way Poco handles attachments, even *that* is not really a big issue.

So, again -- THANKS!

Phil

[root]

Glad you like it Phil. I have been very satisfied with it.
It even works well with the Outpost Beta testers newsgroup by properly threading the posts.
It has all the function I can use and then some. :D

[Uguel707]

Hi!
I had Pop Peeper installed since I heard many horror stories about "Outlook-sieve". ;) I didn't know about Poco or Bat but they sound good to me! Here some info about Pop Peeper:

Description

POP Peeper is a utility that runs in your Windows task bar and alerts you when you have new email on any of your POP3, Hotmail, MSN or Yahoo accounts. You can also use POP Peeper to read and delete your email. POP Peeper supports HTML email, so you can see your email the same way as you would in your email client.
Requirements
- Windows Operating System
- One or more supported email accounts
- Internet Explorer 4 (or better) for certain features (Webmail and viewing HTML)


Primary Features

Completely Free: No Ads. No Registration. No Fees.
Easy Setup
Compatible with the following Server Types: POP3, Hotmail\MSN, Yahoo
Read and delete email without opening your email client
HTML Email Support
Save or Open File attachments
No account limit -- notifies you of an unlimited number of accounts
Be notified of new email with visual and\or audible indicators.
So this it. Better than just letting OE goes by itself! Bye ! Uguel707

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[Phil]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Uguel707 link=board=9;threadid=4352;start=30#38457 date=1041217875]

- Internet Explorer 4 (or better) for certain features (Webmail and viewing HTML)
HTML Email Support
Save or Open File attachments
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That sure sounds like a neat app and would certainly be better than using OE alone. From the description, I only see one small problem with it as far as I am concerned -- it uses IE to render HTML. If you receive one of the nasties that targets IE and you don't have scripting and ActiveX turned off, it will get you anyway because it does use IE. As an alternative, you might want to take a look at MailWasher. It's also a cool little app. :)

http://www.mailwasher.net/

Phil

[Uguel707]

-{ Quote: " I only see one small problem with it as far as I am concerned -- it uses IE to render HTML. If you receive one of the nasties that targets IE and you don't have scripting and ActiveX turned off, it will get you anyway because it does use IE. " }-

Well, just correct me if I'm wrong:

the thing is, I have a modem,consequently IE doesn't start auto. and I customized Pop Peeper to go 20 minutes after prompting IE. In the meantime I can open my mail on the server, read it, delete or keep what I want. I open Outlook just after check up is done Mailwasher? I had already downloaded before and unfort. I couldn't install it properly.

I'm a beginner and I'm a bit clumsy!!! Had a hard time with PP too! If I had a high speed connexion I would do just the same: Have POP Peeper or another mail-checker starts only after a...minutes delay.The proof I had, I mean that OE it doesn't start anything before is: the enveloppes are still closed in IE mailbox even if mail has been opened before.When I'll be a "XP-grown-up" I'll have a look at other mail-watchers! So, do you think I'm still at risks? I' m looking for advice. See you!

Happy New Year!

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[Phil]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Uguel707 link=board=9;threadid=4352;start=30#38859 date=1041466902]
Well, just correct me if I'm wrong:
" }-

OK -- I'm good at that. I have to correct my wife ALL the time! ;D ;D

-{ Quote: "
the thing is, I have a modem,consequently IE doesn't start auto. and I customized Pop Peeper to go 20 minutes after prompting IE. In the meantime I can open my mail on the server, read it, delete or keep what I want. I open Outlook just after check up is done Mailwasher? I had already downloaded before and unfort. I couldn't install it properly.
" }-

There is a misconception about this "reading the mail on the server" business. The part that you see on your screen when checking mail with your utility, you actually *have* downloaded it to your machine. Otherwise, you couldn't see it. If the mail is HTML and you view it with Pop Peeper, it is using the Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine to show you that mail. That's the same thing Outlook Express uses when you pull the complete message from your server. It is still MUCH safer to use Pop Peeper because you are (usually) not pulling all the code.

-{ Quote: "
I'm a beginner and I'm a bit clumsy!!! Had a hard time with PP too! If I had a high speed connexion I would do just the same: Have POP Peeper or another mail-checker starts only after a...minutes delay.The proof I had, I mean that OE it doesn't start anything before is: the enveloppes are still closed in IE mailbox even if mail has been opened before.When I'll be a "XP-grown-up" I'll have a look at other mail-watchers! So, do you think I'm still at risks? I' m looking for advice. See you!
" }-

I probably have caused you unneeded alarm. Since you are using XP, that means you are also using IE/OE6. If you have installed all the security updats, have active content disabled, and have OE in the restriced zone, you should have NO problems viewing HTML in Pop Peeper. There are a few exploits still not fixed in IE/OE, but the chances of you seeing one of them is *very* remote. I don't think you have anything at all to worry about but you do need to understand what you are seeing in Pop Peeper *is* on your machine and not only on your server. It's just a small part of it, though.

HTH
Phil

[Uguel707]

Thanks for your advice!
Yes, I have windows XP and it already had many updates and security patches. ;)
Well I'm puzzled, ??? I was sure I was reading the mail "out of" my computer not "in it". So, what's the asset then? Just reading less codes? If I have understood well : it's there ! ::) Fortunately, you said my chance to get stg bad is remote :) But, I must tell that: If I knew that I would need all these extras: anti-virus, firewalls, mailwatchers, spyblockers, trojan killers etc etc I wouldn't get connected. It makes things harder and harder. At x-mast time we had a good family chat about internet, and many people said that is becoming just too much! A new virus leads to a new update and so goes the wheel...They are right! Bye and thank you for your answer!
ps: I read on the net that we should get rid of the VBS exe
which is the visual basic script. That is said to cause a vulnerability in Outlook, I tried to delete it but I couldn't, it seems to be protected by Windows.

[Phil]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Uguel707 link=board=9;threadid=4352;start=30#38903 date=1041482409]
Thanks for your advice!
Yes, I have windows XP and it already had many updates and security patches. ;)
Well I'm puzzled, ??? I was sure I was reading the mail "out of" my computer not "in it". So, what's the asset then? Just reading less codes? If I have understood well : it's there ! ::) Fortunately, you said my chance to get stg bad is remote :) But, I must tell that: If I knew that I would need all these extras: anti-virus, firewalls, mailwatchers, spyblockers, trojan killers etc etc I wouldn't get connected. It makes things harder and harder. At x-mast time we had a good family chat about internet, and many people said that is becoming just too much! A new virus leads to a new update and so goes the wheel...They are right! Bye and thank you for your answer!
ps: I read on the net that we should get rid of the VBS exe
which is the visual basic script. That is said to cause a vulnerability in Outlook, I tried to delete it but I couldn't, it seems to be protected by Windows.
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Everything you see on the internet -- web pages, email, my words here -- everything, is downloaded to your computer. The advantage to seeing just a part of your email on the server is you can decide if you want to download the entire msg or not. Let's say somebody you know sends you a picture of their cat or something that happens to be 1 MB in size. Instead of taking 4 or 5 minutes to dl it, you can preview it in a few seconds and delete it -- time saved. Not to mention the ability to delete spam before it ever hits your hard drive.

As for needing all that other "stuff", you really don't if you practice what is called "safe hex".

http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

Keep your OS and antivirus updated, turn on the XP firewall, and follow the tips in the above link and there is not much chance of anything nasty happening. The people that blindly click every dancing bear type link that is emailed to them and download files from questionable sites are the ones that get in trouble.

As for scripting -- yeah, that is a protected file and you can't delete it. If you could, you would quickly be in a mess because several things on your system *need* scripting to work. There *is* a way to disable it but I won't be the one to tell you how because then you would be blaming me when your PC broke. ::) Just follow the above tips and keep OE in the restriced zone and scripting won't be a problem.

Phil

[Uguel707]

Well I'll go to bed a little bit smarter than I was before! :)

Thank you Phil! ;D ;D ;D I will put your link in my bookmark and go to that site tomorrow. I never go to suspiscious sites. Some used to come to me before Microsoft patches. That happened even in "BCBG" or respectuous sites , even kids sites are sometimes targeted by malicious people. I don't use any peer-to-peer program which also leads to anything . Good night!http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADnAsEVUhew7JqzMCQt1HOKPGRxgvQBwUONKanRqo4tKg0MyXXX1d5mvhUdsdqv1nkfRR754G8S43TtGjuMhsPvG1L9vJ5oadKUxeuNTvVdAAAAcXJkAg/091dormir0.gif?dc=4675397853794291570

[Phil]

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Well I'll go to bed a little bit smarter than I was before! :)

Thank you Phil!
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You're very welcome -- but just like that "delete scripting" thing, don't believe anything you read on the internet, even from me, until you check it out and satisfy yourself it is correct. Then you can pass on the knowledge you have gained to the next person that needs it with confidence it is right. :)

Phil