Future of NOD32...

[rdsu]

Hi,

I want to know if the developers of NOD32 will improve the detection of Trojans in the future?

I never had problems with NOD32, but it seems that will be better if we have a great global protection.

In my opinion, the NOD32 is a great AV, that have a great GUI, excellent virus detect, the best configuration of all the AV's that I know, use low resources, incremental updates regularly, but I saw in this forum that all the AV’s should have a great detection of Trojans instead of only have for virus.

The new version of IMON will detect more Trojans?

Thanks

[rdsu]

It's so difficult to respond to this question!?

[Slovak]

Since ESET is always silent about what they do, I guess we will know those answers when ESET fixes or releases them.

[Marcos]

The new HTTP scanner will be capable of scanning archives internally, taking advantage of advanced heuristics and other features. Detection of trojans will be improved in AH soon.

[rdsu]

{QUOTE-> The new HTTP scanner will be capable of scanning archives internally, taking advantage of advanced heuristics and other features. Detection of trojans will be improved in AH soon. <-QUOTE}
Thanks for your reply ;)

I hope that you have a good work on it...

[Eliot]

I will second that post 8)

[steve1955]

Start living in the real world no software developer is going to respond to a question like that,basically asking if the next release will be better!by saying:-"no we haven't improved it in fact we've made it slightly worse"

[WilliamP]

Don't get me wrong,I'm not defending anyone ,but trojans are the reason I have TDS3. Where does the anti virus end and the anti trojan start? I feel that you should have both types of protection. NOD is an anti virus.

[rdsu]

Yep, but now we need a program that protect us from Malware. Why have a lot of programs when we can have one?

[Pigman]

{QUOTE-> Why have a lot of programs when we can have one? <-QUOTE}

Because a really nasty piece of malware could disable that super-cool AV/AT, scramble up your registry, wipe half your HD, and leave you with nothing?

[sir_carew]

In my big collection of trojans (most are backdoors) AH detect most without signatures. Currently AH is excellent detecting new backdoors. Indeed one of the best.

[Pigman]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is AH?

[rdsu]

{QUOTE-> Pardon my ignorance, but what is AH? <-QUOTE}
Advanced Heuristics...

[Straight Shooter]

Mele20 told me the Beta is that's going around now does much better with trojans...

My questions...
1. How about spyware?
2. Riskware?
3. Pornware (LOL)..

I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd.... :-\

[TheQuest]

Hi, Straight Shooter

{QUOTE-> I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd.... :-\ <-QUOTE}
You flatter yourself if you think they [Eset] are making the beta or any final
release of their product for YOU.

You stay with what you like and trust, that you choice.

And bad mouthing thing you do not, or say you not use.

Which is never really constructive when you do. [which seem often]

So suck it BABY.;D

Take Care,
TheQuest 8)

[Blackspear]

{QUOTE-> Mele20 told me the Beta is that's going around now does much better with trojans...

My questions...
1. How about spyware?
2. Riskware?
3. Pornware (LOL)..

I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd.... :-\ <-QUOTE}

I see someone trolling for a bite, any good strikes yet? Awwww come on, surely you can do better than this.... ::)

[Blackspear]

{QUOTE-> Because a really nasty piece of malware could disable that super-cool AV/AT, scramble up your registry, wipe half your HD, and leave you with nothing? <-QUOTE}

LOL, nice ;D ;D ;D

Cheers ;D

[Eliot]

When its all said and done, look what I run. NOD32. :o

[Straight Shooter]

{QUOTE-> I see someone trolling for a bite, any good strikes yet? Awwww come on, surely you can do better than this.... ::) <-QUOTE}Give me a break... When did asking a question, being curious as a FORMER NOD32 user, and telling the truth become trolling?

[Mele20]

You know I have been absolutely furious with SS in the past and even had him on block for a long time over at our home site. But I have say that I think he is right this time. I don't perceive his question as trolling. Hostile reponses here just feed the perception by many that NOD32 users are nasty MF who are incapable of accepting any criticism of NOD32. As an example just look at the long, now locked, thread by Kobra over at dslr mostly about NOD32. (I got put on post watch over there for defending NOD32). When I was a new user of NOD32, this forum greeted me with extreme hostilty also. This attitude does not win new users to NOD32. Rather it reinforces the idea that NOD32 has a great deal to hide.

I'm giving SS the benefit of the doubt here. If he actually begins trolling then I will feel differently.

[Straight Shooter]

{QUOTE->
So suck it BABY.;D
Take Care,
TheQuest 8) <-QUOTE}Suck it baby?? Thank you... It looks to me like you're a piece of work... LOL

I sincerely want to thank Mele20 for her kind response..I feel bad about the fact that even if NOD32 becomes "What I want it to be", I probably still won't go back to it, NOT because of the product, but because of the "infantile mentality" of some of the users/posters of this forum. I was simply asking a question, and I want to thank Mele20 for saying I didn't mean to troll, because I sincerely didn't...But I will say one thing... The extremely hostile, "cultish" behavior of SOME, NOT ALL, NOD32 users is very well known and it's probably the biggest reason, weighing everything else, I decided a while ago, not to use the product anymore.... Sure, there are a couple of things I like about NOD32, but it isn't so much the product's shortcomings that kept me from it, rather it's the attitude that prevails when I, or someone else, would point out something to the effect that I just did... Oh, by the way, almost all the major players in the AV business are starting to detect what was asking about...NAV, KAV, McAfee, EZTrust, etc, etc.. If NOD32 could detect a high percentage of the above with AH, wouldn't you think I'd be interested? Then again, I don't have to prove my sincerity... Thank you Mele, for standing up for me.. I appreciate it, really...I didn't like Kobra's posts too... for what it's worth... The title of this thread was "The future of NOD32"...

There's no point to this...I'm outta here...LOL..

[Paul Wilders]

Well, let's get things in perspective here ;).

1) Marcos addressed the issue on topic in this thread - and others joined in on topic.

2) Shooter - as a matter of fact everyone is free to start his/hers own new thread on all not covering the topic at hand.

3) Last - but far from least: records show 99.9% of all who did post over on the NOD32 support forums, never ever encountered any hostility - on the contrary. In case anyone feels the need: just check all threads ;). Both Eset and fairly all those coming over here are quite satisfied in regard the Eset Support Forums are functioning - and so are we.

That said: although both Eset and our team do their upmost to keep all running smooth, there's no way to prevent people joining in with a suspicious agenda (0.1 percent). Comes with the territory of being open: no board registration needed thus allowing guest to participate for example. We'll have to live with the (seldom) consequences coming with this.

regards.

paul

[Dazed_and_Confused]

{QUOTE-> Hostile reponses here just feed the perception by many that NOD32 users are nasty MF who are incapable of accepting any criticism of NOD32. <-QUOTE}"Many"? :o That seems a little extreme (not to mention downright inaccurate).

{QUOTE-> As an example just look at the long, now locked, thread by Kobra over at dslr mostly about NOD32. <-QUOTE}I believe the Kobra issue has been discussed at length before. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with his criticism of NOD32. ::)

{QUOTE-> When I was a new user of NOD32, this forum greeted me with extreme hostilty also. <-QUOTE}
I didn't have that experience. Just the opposite, as a matter of fact. :) One of the reasons I chose NOD32 over KAV and other contenders is because of THIS support forum and the great people here. Thanks to everyone here to making this a GREAT user support tool! :D

[Alec]

I'm a fairly new NOD32 user and I certainly wouldn't consider myself to be obsessively devoted to it. If there is a better product out there for my needs, then I will be happy to look at it. However, it seems to me (based on my albeit limited experience in watching these types of debates) that Eset kind of gets a bum rap on the anti-trojan front.

Straight Shooter says that "Oh, by the way, almost all the major players in the AV business are starting to detect what was asking about...NAV, KAV, McAfee, EZTrust, etc, etc." But I find that intriguing because just last night I was over at a relative's house and they asked me to take a look at their "slow" computer. They swore that they used NAV religiously and kept it up-to-date. And, sure enough, it was apparently running and up-to-date. Nevertheless, they had some 70+ active processes running on this system... obviously much of it malware. I killed as many of these by hand as I could, just so I could utilize the system to perform scans in a reasonable time frame, but some utilized 2 or 3 simultaneous processes that would resurrect each other. A scan by Trend Micro found a couple of trojans, but it took dedicated anti-trojan tools (Trojan Hunter & Ewido Security Suite) to find and eliminate 13 various trojan strains (as I recall). Additionally, AdAware and Spybot Search & Destroy each found 200+ spyware problems. Even after this, I doubt I have found all the malware problems. I sort of ran out of time to try a bunch more tools. I know that I ended up deleting one problematic executable by hand because none of the tools yet had detected it (for the curious, it was a program called WToolsA.exe and WSup.exe).

Anyway, my point is this... that certainly the goal of a single tool to eliminate malware is admirable, however I personally have not seen any single tool that even come close to this goal... not NOD32, not NAV, not KAV, not Trend Micro, not McAfee, not TDS-3, not Trojan Hunter, not PestPatrol, not AdAware, not any of them that I have tried. And, don't get me wrong, this is not a knock against the developers. I know developers are probably working their butts off for us; but for the foreseeable future, I think people are just going to have to have multiple tools for multiple categories of malware in their arsenal.

So while I understand that because NOD32 does have some really nice qualities that may make some people want to hold it to a higher standard, I nevertheless don't know why so many expect it to overnight be able to detect and clean every type of malware imaginable. I honestly don't see any of other anti-virus vendors really doing that much better of a job at trojan detection (with the exception, perhaps, of KAV). I haven't, of course, done exhaustive empirical studies and analyses, but my antedotal experience certainly doesn't lend credence to the alleged claims of noticeable superiority of anti-trojan detection made for many of the other AV utilities.

[Blackspear]

Nice post Alec ;D

Cheers ;D

[WilliamP]

I certainly agree wtih the posts of D+C and Alec. I feel that a layered defense is the way to go. I can see how keeping all security up to date for all the different versions of malware for one program would be a monumental task.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

{QUOTE-> I certainly agree wtih the posts of D+C and Alec. I feel that a layered defense is the way to go. I can see how keeping all security up to date for all the different versions of malware for one program would be a monumental task. <-QUOTE}Monumental, yes. :) In addition to a great risk for the user. When I play golf, it's nice to have more than one club in my bag (although my husband does always seem to win :( . )

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Well, let's get things in perspective here ;).
3) Last - but far from least: records show 99.9% of all who did post over on the NOD32 support forums, never ever encountered any hostility - on the contrary. In case anyone feels the need: just check all threads ;). Both Eset and fairly all those coming over here are quite satisfied in regard the Eset Support Forums are functioning - and so are we.
paul <-QUOTE}

So, there is no truth to what I have been hearing that Eset is moving the board in house partly because of complaints?

As for no one being treated hostilely on the old board software, when this NOD32 forum was created, it had that nasty ability to give negative karma. That was so ugly and so unnecessary. I got a lot of it just because NOD32 public beta ate my entire Sent Items mail folder which had 5000 messages in it and I was upset. It couldn't tell the difference between a folder and a file and I had the unlucky opportunity to be the user who discovered this bug. I didn't need negative karma. It was hurtful and I try to forget that but it is not easy. I agree the board members are nicer here now. I left NOD32 for PC-Cillin precisely because of the nasty people here who, at the time, were incapable of hearing any criticism of their precious NOD. I only decided to start using NOD32 again mostly because I had noticed this board was getting less hostile and that Wilders had done away with that cruel bad karma stuff.

SS is right on target. In the past, it has been very difficult to use NOD32 and post here if you have valid criticism. That is much less true today. Thank goodness.
Ironically, I had just been assuring SS that this board was not nearly as hostile/defensive as it used to be and then he comes here because of trusting me and gets bludgeoned. One long term member cheering on the "suck it baby" member. Why wasn't that moderated?

Over at DSLreports, those of us who champion NOD32 have our most difficult work being that of convincing people that this board is not made up of a bunch of hostile nuts. That is still the general perception which was generally a valid description back when this board came into existence. I don't think it is true today but people have long memories and this hostility is frequently the first thing brought up. The attitude here even got into Kobra's thread over at dslr and much of NOD32 bashing stems from the over defensiveness of members here in the past and to some extent (such as "suck it baby") today.

[LowWaterMark]

Actually, the "suck it baby" reference is from Kojak, which is StraightShooter's avatar. While that remark taken out of that context is over the line, it becomes borderline within that context. It's a fine line we have to walk and it isn't always easy. When we remove too much we're accused of censorship, when we don't remove enough people complain about that, too. :-\

[Dazed_and_Confused]

{QUOTE-> I agree the board members are nicer here now. <-QUOTE}Thank you. :)

While I don't agree with SS's desire that NOD32 address each and every type of threat (Pornware?????), I also DON'T think his question was out of line (trolling). But just because one poster didn't agree with SS's question is no reason to label everyone here as hostile.

[Q Section]

{QUOTE-> Yep, but now we need a program that protect us from Malware. Why have a lot of programs when we can have one? <-QUOTE}
VaMPiRiC_CRoW - you might look at this link (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=34742) to see what other Wilders posters have said about a single program doing it all.

Best wishes!

[sig]

"So, there is no truth to what I have been hearing that Eset is moving the board in house partly because of complaints?"

I don't have a clue, Mele, but if your source for this info is a poster recently banned from this site, in other forums he apparently has shown himself to be somewhat creative in his recollection of events and discussions. So I wouldn't give it credence unless/until it is confirmed by ESET and Wilders.

As for complaints about the NOD forum, most of the complaints I've seen from posters who don't have a predisposed agenda or antagonistic attitude and therefore have an (or perhaps additonal) ax to grind if they're rebuffed, is that there isn't always a timely response from ESET reps. Often a great deal of the support here is from other users and Wilders mods rather than ESET. There'd be a great many more complaints about lack of support or responsiveness IMO if it weren't for other (occasionally cranky) users here. ;)

Often it's a matter of how a poster presents himself and his issue. While SS asked reasonable questions here (and some others might not "get" his manner of posting and so take offense or umbrage or whatever), I'm afraid his posting history and occasional dropping by this forum to tweak users and the product may have tried others' patience.

Some other product support forums I've seen wouldn't be as lenient (or as gentle) as this one has been toward antagonistic posters, OT discussions or criticism of the product, valid or not. Such posts and posters would be summarily "disappeared" at a minimum. ;) Here a good deal remains public, for good or ill; others may draw whatever conclusions they will.

[Blackspear]

{QUOTE-> ...As for complaints about the NOD forum, most of the complaints I've seen from posters who don't have a predisposed agenda or antagonistic attitude and therefore have an (or perhaps additonal) ax to grind if they're rebuffed, is that there isn't always a timely response from ESET reps. Often a great deal of the support here is from other users and Wilders mods rather than ESET. There'd be a great many more complaints about lack of support or responsiveness IMO if it weren't for other (occasionally cranky) users here. ;)

Often it's a matter of how a poster presents himself and his issue. While SS asked reasonable questions here (and some others might not "get" his manner of posting and so take offense or umbrage or whatever), I'm afraid his posting history and occasional dropping by this forum to tweak users and the product may have tried others' patience... <-QUOTE}

Well said Sig :)

My issue wasn't the question, rather the ending remark by SS "I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd", it just seemed to be a fishing expedition, waiting for someone to strike back. If you don't like Nod, why come here and gripe about it, go to the forum of your chosen AV and talk it up there...

Most of us are here to learn and help others ;D

Cheers ;D

[Paul Wilders]

{QUOTE-> So, there is no truth to what I have been hearing that Eset is moving the board in house partly because of complaints? <-QUOTE}

Rumors... ;D We have no indication in any way this is going to happen in the near future. That said: Wilders and Eset don't signed an "everlasting" commitment on the subject. In case Eset feels the need to move their forum(s) in board somewhere in the future, we will surely part as good friends. It's Eset's perogative to host their forums wherever they want to - as it it ours to invite and decline requests from security software vendors in regard to hosting their software support forum(s). FYI: we have declined many such request in the meanwhile, if only because we firmly believe in hosting just one dedicated software forum for each branch in order to avoid conflicts of interests and we are rather picky: we only want to host top notch software forums.

{QUOTE-> As for no one being treated hostilely on the old board software, when this NOD32 forum was created, it had that nasty ability to give negative karma. That was so ugly and so unnecessary. <-QUOTE}

Well, many liked this karma stuff - others disliked it. In the end, it was no more then a gadget, allowing registered users to express their opinion. Furthermore, we eliminated the "bad karma" possibility along the way on the old board, leaving members only with the option to "applaud" while "thumb downs" had been eradicated - as shows in the Archives. Anyway, we have dropped the karma stuff althogether when moving to this board software :)

{QUOTE-> I got a lot of it just because NOD32 public beta ate my entire Sent Items mail folder which had 5000 messages in it and I was upset. It couldn't tell the difference between a folder and a file and I had the unlucky opportunity to be the user who discovered this bug. <-QUOTE}

No offense intended in any way, but Beta-testing comes with the usual risks, and participating in it is a free personal decision. You might encounter sortalike problems while Beta-testing as you do right now. I for one do applaud you (as well as others) for participating. As a rule, Beta-testers should make sure to have a solid back up (software) available IMO in order to keep out of trouble.

{QUOTE-> I didn't need negative karma. It was hurtful and I try to forget that but it is not easy. <-QUOTE}

I sincerely do hope I've commented on this one to satisfaction right above.

{QUOTE-> I agree the board members are nicer here now. I left NOD32 for PC-Cillin precisely because of the nasty people here who, at the time, were incapable of hearing any criticism of their precious NOD. I only decided to start using NOD32 again mostly because I had noticed this board was getting less hostile and that Wilders had done away with that cruel bad karma stuff.
SS is right on target. In the past, it has been very difficult to use NOD32 and post here if you have valid criticism. That is much less true today. Thank goodness. <-QUOTE}

I do refer to sig's reply in this context; worded very well IMHO :)

{QUOTE-> Over at DSLreports, those of us who champion NOD32 have our most difficult work being that of convincing people that this board is not made up of a bunch of hostile nuts. That is still the general perception which was generally a valid description back when this board came into existence. I don't think it is true today but people have long memories and this hostility is frequently the first thing brought up. <-QUOTE}

Well, all boards have their specific public - DSLR is no exception to the rule. Personaly, I haven't encountered such an attitude over on the DSLR Private Security Forum or from Justin or from WCB. And you would be surprised how many DSLR members are members over here as well, posting very often in a constructive and positive way - in the NOD32 forums as well :)

{QUOTE-> The attitude here even got into Kobra's thread over at dslr and much of NOD32 bashing stems from the over defensiveness of members here in the past <-QUOTE}

Ahh..Kobra again ::) It's sufficient to state he has been banned from the UK Kaspersky Support forum, and over on DSLR he has been reprimanded severely by WCB - and on both case not because of anything related to NOD32.

{QUOTE-> and to some extent (such as "suck it baby") today. <-QUOTE}

LWM has addressed this one rather well in the meanwhile :)

best regards,

paul

[Bubba]

and with that We can all try to get back to the threads intended purpose\question Please.

{QUOTE->
I want to know if the developers of NOD32 will improve the detection of Trojans in the future? <-QUOTE}