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Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:25 AM
i would had stuck this in the how to forum but some one cough cough locked it up uhmmmmmmmmm paul=) lol
settings is mainly for stoping internet explorer anoying pop ups surf in peace with out those anoying pop ups=)
Blazes newby how to privacy setings for newbys=)
Click on internet explorer thats that big blue E ICON lol
go to tools scroll dowen to internet options then click on security tab then go dowen to the midle of the box click on custome level and select the following so it matchs the buttom
look here to get a look befor you start with the instructions below
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1333507;root=security,1;mode=flat;start=0
Download signed activex controls - Prompt
Download unsigned activex controls -Disable
Initialize and script activex controls not marked as safe - Disable
Run activex controls and plug-ins - Enable (in general I would advice not to enable ActiveX.)
Script activex controls marked safe for scripting - Enable
enable the cookies only if your at a site you trust
if your just surfing and not posting or editing your profile at a message bord or buying something online then disable but if you are posting or editing your profile or buying something enable them
Allow cookies that are stored on your computer disable
Allow per session cookies (not stored) -Enable
i use internet sweeper and cookie muncher to kill my cookies and clean up my history
*File download - Disable ('Enable' as needed only!)
Font download - Prompt
Java permissions - High Safety
Access data sources across domains - Prompt
Don't prompt for client certificate.... - Disable
Drag and drop or copy and paste files - Enable
*Installation of desktop items - DISABLE
Navigate sub-frames across different domains - Enable
*Launching programs and files in an IFRAME - DISABLE
Software channel permissions - High Safety
Submit non-encrypted form data - Prompt
*Userdata Persistence - DISABLE
*Active Scripting - DISABLE you must Renable this option if you are editing your profile at message bords or buying something on line doing bills or uneployment registering ect ect
Allow paste operations via script - Disable
Scripting of Java applets - Disable you must Renable this option if you are editing your profile at message bords or buying something on line doing bills or uneployment registering ect ect
Logon -setting (Your choice)
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:26 AM
newby trouble shooting with zone alarm pro
ZAP does have some bugs but thats expected with any fire wall.
if your on dial up on 56k you might notice a few things that you probabley had no clue of but here goes.
In some cases zone alarm pro works to well this causes problems on dial up.
if you have aol 7.0 or even 6.0 you might notice you cant connect to the internet the very first time you try to connect.
but you will always connect on the second time this is probably due to zap learning mode in testing the Icmp Protocol along side with udp and 1 tcp flag basicly these problems acure when connecting to the internet the first time on dial ups zap blocks the icmp as will as the udp-aol and you get an imidate tcp flag .
the following problems will accure
1.will not connect on dial up first time
2.aim instant messenger aol's stand alone instant messenger and aol internal mesenger wont load( means budy list wont load or the aol instant messenger application stand alone will not connect or if it does the talking on aim feature will give you the if you and a buddy are behind difrent fire walls typical message box its due to this issue.)
3 .if you post replys on such forums as wilders your reply wont post correctly you get web page not found or not responding there for your post does not go threw.
4.when clicking on several pages moving threw the web fast you will get perty much a service odf denial effect when none of the web pages load correctly you get page 404 not found or page not responding no matter what site you go to.
solution?
1.first off call aol and make sure you have the best dial up number in your local area sometimes that stupit auto numbers in your area isnt the best number for conecting to the internet when useing aol.
have the aol guy or woman guide you in puting locale dial up conection dial up numbers in manualy.
find the one that connects the first time and move that one to the top when dialingup the internet so that number is at the top makeing it the first number you use when trying to reach the internet threw aol.
after you done the albolve and found a good 1 dial up local connection first try number go ahead and disconect and close aol start up zone alarm pro go to the alerts and logs and hit clear.
keep zone alarm pro open or hideing in task bar now dial up aol when it gets to 4 click on zone alam you will see new alerts poping in a icmp alert a udp alert that says aol programand some times an imidiate tcp flag
right click on it and add to zone name it i usealy put a 1# and just name them that way like 123 typ thing
now you will get a udp alert program aol right click add to zone #2
if you get an imidiate tcp flag just 1 add that to zone to#3 no more tcp flags after that one to allow
you will notice that you can post and your budy list will load and you can connect on the first try depending if you were fast enough to add to zone.
you will also notice aim talk works if it does not right click on aim in the right side buttom task bar on aol instant messagenger right click on it select prefrences then aim talk
on the box that says alternet internet adress check the box or uncheck it lol you have to play with it sometimes this will get it to work=)
or another thing you can do is on za pro click on fire wall and the second tab not main but i belive zones you will notice that thers two listings that says new net work tis is what you are curently hooked in to the internet with you can add it to your trusted zone by right clickin on it and adding it in permenatly=)
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Aol user's are you tired of Aol Spam or aol pop ups as will as 3rd party spam from aol how about those anoying aol phone calls late at night or dureing dinner or lunch darn phone spam!
will im tired to heres how to stop it
go to settings at the very top of your aol internet screen scroll dowen to prefrences
now click on Marketing prefrences you will see a huge list of aol spam click on each one in order and click on continue then select no i dont want any darn aol spam or pop ups or phone calls asking me to buy stuff or aol junk mail lol
its just that easy aol dosnt tell you about it perty much keeping it a secret in less you call them up specficaly asking them how to stop it=) enjoy newbys
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:28 AM
blazes newby frindly must have toys for every newby out there
most of these use no resources unless they're triggered
StartPageGuard
StartPage Guard (SPG) protects your PC from cyberscam, by detecting and preventing any unauthorized changes to your internet browser's Start and Search pages. It is also capable of removing automatically most of known "invaders".
more about start page guard
http://www.pjwalczak.com/spguard/
dowenload start page guard
http://www.networkingfiles.com/SecurityApps/startpageguard.htm
DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0
RegistryProt is a 100% free, standalone, compact, low-level realtime registry monitor and protector, that adds another dimension to Windows security and intrusion detection. By monitoring important locations and keys in the Windows system registry, RegistryProt will alert whenever a key is added or changed, and then give the option of accepting the key change, reverting back to the original key setting, or deleting the key.
RegistryProt's most useful attribute is that it will detect the vast majority of trojans at the exact moment that they infect/install themselves into your system, and as such provides a new dimension in trojan and intrusion detection.
more about DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/web/htm/regprot.htm
dowenload DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/web/htm/regprot.htm
Newby warning about DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0 when you very first install and activate this be off line.
when you are prompted with a box for the very first time asking you if you want to keep this regystry key typ message click on yes repeatedly say yes to every thing.
choose not to start it on start up option instead choose to run it manuely by makeing a short cut on your task bar then click that when you go on line and start it up then
click on the -- mark on top of its box to minimize the box to your systems tray.
also remember when you online with a windows computer
windows has an automatic update feature so when your runnig DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0 in the back ground remember to look on the buttom right hand corner
if you see a blue planet icon or a windows update icon and you get prompted by DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0 with a box at the same time windows update was going on click yes you whish to allow the change in regystry its just windows updateing.
this also includes if you go to windows update web site for critical updates i sugest you turn off DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0 when your dowenloading updates could mess your dowenload up at microsoft update web page.
after dowenload if you are not prompted to restart your computer turn it back on and say yes.
another note if your running windows me turn DiamondCS RegistryProt v2.0 just befor you shut dowen your computer could cause your computer to not shut dowen properly
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:29 AM
0Click2 (6/22/00)
0click2 is a small, simple, free program for users of Windows95, 98, NT and 2000 which allows you to "disconnect doubleclick from the internet" and this in turn prevents their banner ads, their cookies and their tracking of your activities. 0click2 works by causing all referrals to doubleclick from any site to be blocked at your own computer. 0click2 works only with the standard Microsoft winsock for dialup networking, DSL, ISDN and cable modems and does not work with other winsock programs such as AOL(Compuserve), Trumpet Winsock or Twinsock. 0Click2 adds new functionality to allow you to choose to block other sites as well.
more about 0-click2
http://www.nsclean.com/0click.html
dowenload 0-click 2
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/16025.html***
DSOstop2 (new version 3/21/02)
The "DSO Exploit" (Data Source Object) was first reported by GreyMagic Software of Israel on February 27, 2002 and a "workaround" for Microsoft's defective code was provided by Axel Pettinger and Garland Hopkins on March 3, 2002. Their fix requires the user to manually edit the registry. Many computer users are extremely nervous (and justifiably so) about doing this, owing to years of warnings and advisories not to. This FREE utility will safely do it for those who do not feel confident running and editing "Regedit." Read the details for more information and links to the registry modification instructions and test site.
more about dso stop 2
http://www.nsclean.com/dsostop.html
dowenload dso stop 2
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1170/dsostop2.exe
Cr2Kill (8/5/01, updated 8/6/01)
CR2Kill is designed to detect and delete the CodeRed II and III worm from IIS servers. It then will send the user, with their permission, to the Microsoft site where the ISAPI patches are available. Please read detail page.
more about cr2kill
http://www.nsclean.com/cr2kill.html
Dowenload cr2 kill
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-847/cr2kill.exe
HTAstop (4/13/01)
It's now possible for a "rogue" website to actually embed trojans, worms and/or viruses directly into a web page. In the past, pages that offer seemingly attractive downloads which contain such malware required you to click to start any download to your computer. Now it's become automatic, using features in the Windows operating system known as scripting. These scripts can load programs without you knowing, and then they run immediately. All you have to do is visit the site, without doing anything besides viewing the page. HTAstop acts as a brickwall against these scripts, disabling them so the download doesn't occur. HTAstop protects you against one variety of script, our IEClean covers all twenty seven.
more about hta stop
http://www.nsclean.com/htastop.html
dowenload hta stop
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-647/htastop.exe
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:30 AM
SockLock (2/17/99)
If SockLock is used BEFORE you fall victim to Happy99 or other SKA class trojan attack, it will protect you from infestations by this trojan horse. You can actually download and enjoy the fireworks display presented by the Happy99 trojan without any risk of infestation or spreading the trojan further to other hapless victims as SockLock PREVENTS any SKA class Winsock infesting trojan from being able to do anything more than display the cute distraction. They CANNOT infest your machine (or anyone elses) if SockLock has been used to lock your winsock against modification. SockLock also creates two 72 byte files which prevent SKA class trojans from being able to install at all on your machine once you activate the protection using SockLock. ***
more About sock lock
http://www.nsclean.com/socklock.html
Dowen load sock lock
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/38943.html
NoScript
Script Blocking
If you are a home or small business customer, you should be running Norton AntiVirus 2001 or later. Both programs can be configured to detect VBScripts when they are run, alert you to ones that are unknown or possibly malicious, and block them if necessary.***
more about no script
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/win.script.hosting.html
dowenload no script
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/noscript.exe***
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ScripTrap
ScripTrap traps scripts when they attempt to run on your computer and provides the option of blocking them or letting them continue to run. You can also check the intercepted script with your anti-virus program before you decide to run it or not. This provides you with a chance of catching possibly malicious code before it causes damage. ScripTrap is particularly useful for trapping scripts that arrive in email attachments, such as the recent ILOVEYOU virus.The worst thing about many types of scripts is that they can operate without warning as a legitimate part or extension of another program. Most damaging of all are email attachments that contain scripts. If you open them in an email program that allows scripting they may execute before you even realize what you have done.***
more about script trap
http://keir.net/scriptrap.html
dowenload script trap
http://keir.net/download/strap.exe***
CookieMuncher
Cookie Muncher. A must have privacy program. Stop the Evil Empire watching your every move. Eats a cookie as soon as it arrives, now works with IE and Netscape. Now also works with Netcaptor. Support for keeping some cookies now added (IE engines only) set the file attribute of the cookies you want to keep to read-only. Now shows your IP address on the pop-up menu. Support for AOL added Only uses between 5% and 8% CPU. Opera Added ***
more about cookie muncher
http://www.bigwig.net/softwaredesign/free.htm
Dowenload cookie muncher
http://www.bigwig.net/softwaredesign/download/cookiem.zip
B3D Killer
Features of B3D Killer:
-Removes all traces of the Brilliant Digital software (dlls and executables) from your computer.
-Deletes most, if not all, registry keys associated with the program and its "auto-install" function (which lets it re-install itself silently when you browse a webpage).
-Displays output of all actions performed.
-Is only 52 kb.
more about b3d killer
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/B3DKiller.html
dowenload B3D killer
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1214/bdkiller16.exe
id blaster
What does ID-Blaster do?
In Windows, many applications have something called a "product ID number". This number may be the same through Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player - even the operating system itself.
Since this number nevers changes, it would be the PERFECT way a malicious person or even an advertising company could track your habits. Maybe through a malicious website ActiveX control, or java applet.
more about id blaster
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/idblaster.html
dowenload id blaster
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1283/IDblaster.exe
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:31 AM
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Blazes best free fire walls
for newbys
New! FREE ZoneAlarm***
Version 3 of our legendary basic firewall is now available. Free to individual and non-profit users, ZoneAlarm® is the popular first step for many home PC users..***
dowenload zone alarm free***
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp
for intermidiate newby
if your willing to take the time and learn and want the best free fire wall and your not a newby in a rush and you want real protection here***
Kerio Firewall v2.1.4
one of the best rule based firewalls available.***
http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_home.html
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Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:32 AM
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best absolutley free spyware killers newby frindly software
SpyBot-Search & Destroy***
the perfect double check for Ad-aware. Covers: Aureate,CLPRS, Comet Cursors, eZula HotText, Gator, GoHip, Radiate, WebHancer, WildTangent etc.. Very useful extra features included***
SpyBot-S&D searches your harddisk for so-called spy- or adbots; little modules that are responsible for the ads many programs show. But many of these modules also transmit information about your surfing behaviour and more to the net.
If SpyBot-S&D finds such modules, it can remove them - or replace them with empty dummies in case their host won't work any more with its bot removed. In most cases, the host software still runs after removing the bot.
For a list of 'supported' bots see the feature lists below. Spybot-S&D works with an easy interface that allows updates by just replacing a file of about 1k size. Those updates come by my software mailinglist.Another feature of Spybot S&D is the removal of usage tracks, which makes it more complicated for unknown spybots to transmit useful data. The list of last visited websites, opened files, started programs, cookies, all that and more can be cleaned. Supported are the three mahjor browsers Internet Explorer, Netscape Communicator and Opera.Last but not least Spybot-S&D contains some routines to find and correct invalid entries into the registry.
read me first
http://patrick.kolla.de/software/spybotsd/about.en.html
dowenload
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1274/spybotsd10.zip
lavasoft
first read this befor dowenloading
http://www.wilders.org/screenshots27.htm
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1269/aaw.exe
use this to dowenload updates also allow it permition in your fire wall to conect to the internet
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1246/refupdate.exe
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Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:33 AM
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Eraser.
best clean up utlity for intermidiate newbys
Eraser is a secure data removal tool, which allows you to remove sensitive data from your hard drive by overwriting it with carefully selected patterns.
The program is free software, which means that everyone has access to the source code, the freedom to study it, make modifications and even distribute modified versions of their own. This freedom has made Eraser one of the most trustworthy and popular security tools for Windows***
newby translation
lol translation if you are doing bad stuff and you want to get rid of the evidence lol this is the best tool for deleting your files such as porn naughty pictures ect ect=)
more info here a must read
http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/***
dowenload here
http://download.sourceforge.net/eraser/eraser53.zip
advance newbys only
RegCleaner
heres the best regesrty cleaner thats free
http://www.jv16.org/
RegCleaner is an easy to use program. With RegCleaner you can easily get rid of those old and obsolete registry entries created by software that you have destroyed ages ago. And by easily, I mean easily. You don´t have to be any expert to use this program.***
warning do not go playing around with this tool this is a newby kinda frindly utlity translation read everthing about it when you know you uninstalled something and you see traces of it then remove it also open it up every time you installsomething and look what new keys been added
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a must have for inewbys
Panda 25 in One Cleaner
Detects, removes and restores Nimda, the new fast spreadin W32/Goner-A worm, and various other infections.
more about panda
http://www.pandasoftware.es/library/pqremove_en.htm
dowenload panda 25
http://www.wilders.org/downloads.htm
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Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:34 AM
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best free antiviruse and trojan removers.
sorry guess what there isnt any there all out dated or poorley made or the freelance programer dosent update it enough and why should he its free you cant complaine.
To my newbys you will have to buy these utlitys to be truely protected and im sorry to say that cost money.
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Best antiviruse protection and trojan these are must haves you cant afford to be with out them for newbys
you will either have to buy
NOD32 ANTIVIRUS
AT http://www.nod32.com/
or
nortion anti viruse
AT http://www.symantec.com/nav/
do not by nortion antviruse 2003 only 2002 2003 is evill
trojan protection
you will have to buy these two softwares to be truely protected
TDS
IIt not newby frindly but its the best and i look after my newbys
http://tds.diamondcs.com.au/
if you get tds heres the newby help file writen by my buddy fan j
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=2871
Also another great tutorial by my budy fan j
Required system files for TDS-3***
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=2906
BOClean is a must for extra protection tds is more like a tank its fine for checking files and your computer for every trojan knowen to man as will as excution protection but being online with it is a system resources hog for newbys i recomend useing thisoff line or when excuting a newly dowenloaded program or trojan checking befor han or a complet computer check.
Boclean how ever is a good back up while your on the inter net it kills trojan and nastys trying to install and isnt a resource hog tds with boclean is a must.
one protects you on line and the other off line
get boclean here***
http://www.nsclean.com/supboc.html***
this is extremly newby frindly no thinking at all a few sugestions when you get it
first thing you do is click on it when your on the net after you install it click on the grey box that says bo with the vacume on your system tray hit check for update.
go to configure boclean and
and check the fist two box's make sure there checked
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Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 07:35 AM
---------------------------------------------------------------------------best internet sweeper or cleaner
only use with aol 7.0 all verstions of windows except xp and realy realy old window verstions
aol user with verstions befor aol 7.0 not recomended you been warn works perfect with aol 7.0
dowenload here
http://www.wilders.org/HTMLobj-1277/isfw.exe
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ps if your going to run all this stuff make sure you have at least 256 ram or something up there
root
August 26th, 2002, 09:59 AM
WOW!!! I'm impressed, MRBLAZE.
Although I do not agree with everything you said, I will not argue your post here. You did a very good job at covering a lot of ground, and I can see it took you some time to put this together.
I think I will break down and give you a friendly pat on the butt. (Applaud ;D )
BTW, your English is showing. :D
MyNethingyman
August 26th, 2002, 10:18 AM
blaze????Blaze????? BLAZE ;) ;) ;) ;)
I got me here + 11 kama sutra points screwing around in this forum and I hereby donate them to YOU which will now bring your score to +43 -0. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Here all the time I thought you were just another purdy face. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Now go back and fix that link to Wildcatboy's thread and DSLR and you have them all drooling . ::) ::) ::) ::)
WTG ! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
FanJ
August 26th, 2002, 10:26 AM
Yep,
Fine posting, Blaze !!! ;D
Jooske
August 26th, 2002, 11:10 AM
Wow Blaze, and with you posting all that beautyful info and your pc shows still working with all that on it, that surely is something and really educative!
Another karma PLUS for you!
Think somebody(s) needs clean glasses and read "smile" for "smite" as only explanation why you got 11 MINUS somehow.
Thanks a lot, i'll wrestle through all that and looking forward to other people's comments on the contents/ recommendations.
UNICRON
August 26th, 2002, 11:33 AM
Ge blaze, I think it is time to revoke your N00b status.
Prince_Serendip
August 26th, 2002, 11:52 AM
:) Hi MRBLAZE!!! Simply AWESOME! Excellent work! You have been doing your homework! The world is your oyster, MRBLAZE!
The World is Your Oyster Award!
Detox
August 26th, 2002, 12:05 PM
Hehe yup good job Blaze, I agree, some might not be my very first choices but nobody should go wrong with any of em! Good boy hehe
Mr.Blaze
August 26th, 2002, 03:07 PM
Thank you guys so much for your support and compliments to tell you the truth most of this is from you guys.
i learnd all this stuff at wilders and messing around with aol alot of it is copy and paste i put for the newbys like me who missed out on alot that was going on and theres nothing in the archives but one thread.
{MyNethingyman}
Now go back and fix that link to Wildcatboy's thread and DSLR ok
{blaze}ill fix it can you tell me which one is it ant the right link it was 5am in the morning and my eyes could no longher focus on the screen lol thats why i couldnt finish
the Tester
August 26th, 2002, 09:00 PM
Mr.Blaze.WOW!!! I don't have all the programs that you listed,but I sure appreciate the advice.Excellent posts!
ljc1174
August 26th, 2002, 09:50 PM
Very kewl indeed blaze!
I will do my best to use the advice!!!
;)
Take Care,
Lori
snapdragin
August 26th, 2002, 11:48 PM
Blaze!!!!! oh my word!! :D
What an incredible post! You are quite amazing, and i know how difficult that was to collect all that information and keep it in order to post.
All i can say is....WOW!! ;D ;D GREAT WORK BLAZE!!
Mr.Blaze
September 11th, 2002, 09:58 PM
lol somebody actualy asked for this thread by name lol so im bumping it i been geting some people intrested in looking at this maybe ill revise it gather some more stuff and valuable newby information
then with pauls permistion post it in the archives section
rember i perty much just slaped it all together and im a newby to so if you see something you disagree with or isnt acurate let me know so i can fix it id really really alpreachiate it
ill even use proper gramer puncuation and spell check with a revised verstion
FanJ
September 11th, 2002, 10:10 PM
Hi Blaze,
You've put a nice guide together !!!!!
In one of the first postings in the thread (if I remember me well) you wrote that you enabled ActiveX (well, to be fair: you added: I know, I know......).
Some remarks:
As you know, having ActiveX disabled you might not be able to view some sites completely, but having ActiveX enabled can cause some real trouble at some sites....
So in general I would advice not to enable ActiveX.
MyNethingyman
September 11th, 2002, 10:12 PM
Next thing you know you will be coding software then you will not have to worry about the spelling. :-\ :-\
Mr.Blaze
September 11th, 2002, 10:16 PM
ok cool ill go fix it
burns
September 13th, 2002, 06:29 PM
Excellent thread. Obviously you put in a lot of time here and I congratulate you on a job well done. Hope this goes to the archive section.
On a separate note I just wanna say : this forum is excellent. I have learnt so much from here you cannot imagine.
Mr.Blaze
September 13th, 2002, 10:17 PM
lol the next thing id like to see lol is a how to get started codeing software andreas gave me a taste of how to edit text in software and he made it so easy i liked it lol a little to much.
Yup alot of the greatest people i had the privlege of knowing has been here its like the best people you can posiably find have all wonderd in here its like a magnet
even the lurkers post once in awhile with some of the most mind bending posts that makes you want to see them post more often
paul fan j joosky check out uni technodeom prince are but a few of the great ones.
also im amazed by the number of registerd bord members in such little time great place
hope you post more often where al family here
Mr.Blaze
January 3rd, 2004, 11:33 AM
bump
LowWaterMark
January 3rd, 2004, 04:27 PM
Actually Blaze, wasn't this your first draft? Your final version is over here, I believe:
Mr.Blazes Newbie survival guide (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=4146) 8)
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