Opera 11.01 is terrible - Time to uninstall

[buckshee]

I am about to uninstall Opera. It loads some web sites very fast but then if I click on a link within a web site it is soooo.... slow much of the time and often only 1/2 loads the requested page and seems to stall. Though it doesn't make sense, I seem to a little have more luck when going from one site to another but often that doesn't work. It seems the problem is that Opera is waiting for a page to fully load - though it appears loaded I think there is background stuff that is still loading so when I request another link it all slows down. My internet speed is 6Mb DSL and I don't have anywhere near the same problems with Firefox - so I have had enough - Bye bye Opera - bye bye

[Creer]

Try to change settings in Opera:

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By default it is "Redraw after 1 second" - change it to: "Redraw instantly"

[buckshee]

Mine was already set for redraw instantly so that isn't the problem. I thought I'd throw out my concerns in case some-one knows a miracle cure !!!

[littlebits]

Make sure that you have Turbo disabled, it can cause some sites to load very slowly.

Also your security software maybe causing slow browsing, try disabling web scanning, etc.
Thanks.:)

[buckshee]

I disabled Avira Webguard and it seemed to speed things up but I like it active as I don't have any other protection other than AVIRA and a firewall. I disabled Proactiv to see if that helps. I don't suppose it affects download speed but it might affect page scanning speeds of Webguard - maybe someone else could answer that but I think we are making progress

[zfactor]

i have seen the same type of thing from opera on a few systems. i was never able to get it right no matter what i did. on those systems i either went back to ff or stayed with chrome. i love opera and most of the time its great but with some systems it seems to just not get along. i spent days trying to get it right and never found a real solution

[Ocky]

You could go through this list of things to tweak to speed things up .. http://operawiki.info/OperaPerformance
Also check Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Network. Max. Connections to Sever and Max. Total Connections. Try 128 for both.

[Noob]

Your solution is called Google Chrome ::) (Try Beta and Dev builds)

[buckshee]

Thanks for the tips - I decided to trash Opera nothing seemed to really help. I'll use Firefox 4 or Chrome

[redgrum]

-{ Quote: "I am about to uninstall Opera. It loads some web sites very fast but then if I click on a link within a web site it is soooo.... slow much of the time and often only 1/2 loads the requested page and seems to stall. Though it doesn't make sense, I seem to a little have more luck when going from one site to another but often that doesn't work. It seems the problem is that Opera is waiting for a page to fully load - though it appears loaded I think there is background stuff that is still loading so when I request another link it all slows down. My internet speed is 6Mb DSL and I don't have anywhere near the same problems with Firefox - so I have had enough - Bye bye Opera - bye bye" }-

Settings > Preferences > Advanced > Security Try Un-checking 'Enable Fraud and Malware Protection', if you are already using Avira webguard, maybe the two are not playing nicely?

[nanana1]

Don't know why TS has a terrible time::) , me running Opera 11.01 fine and fast here ! ;D

[gerardwil]

-{ Quote: "Don't know why TS has a terrible time::) , me running Opera 11.01 fine and fast here ! ;D" }-

+1

Gerard

[ruinebabine]

-{ Quote: "You could go through this list of things to tweak to speed things up .. http://operawiki.info/OperaPerformance
Also check Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Network. Max. Connections to Sever and Max. Total Connections. Try 128 for both." }-
Thanks for this tip, it really make a difference here! :thumb:

But couldn't this tweak much taxing web servers, in same way as when downloading files? Just wondering.
And if they made it available in the gui setting, after all... 8)

[Criss]

Hi,

I can confirm this is a problem with avira webguard. The problem will also occur when u use chrome with avira webguard. U can fix this either by reuqesting a hotfix in the avira forum or setting the max total connnections to 48 in opera. :D

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

I can confirm this is a problem with avira webguard. The problem will also occur when u use chrome with avira webguard. U can fix this either by reuqesting a hotfix in the avira forum or setting the max total connnections to 48 in opera. :D" }-

Thanks and now we know the truth : AVIRA WEBGUARD is TERRIBLE !!!:ouch:

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Your solution is called Google Chrome ::) (Try Beta and Dev builds)" }-

Now confirmed this to be a noob solution.:P

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Now confirmed this to be a noob solution.:P" }-

Who knew you'd pop in to defend Opera? (playful poke, not being serious) I wanted to stop in here because this exact issue was happening to a friend of mine. Once the webguard in Avira was shut off, his Opera worked flawlessly. Another case of too many similar tools fighting each other, instead of working together it seems.

[Creer]

It looks like issue with Avira webguard not only affected Opera browser but also Chrome:
-http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=126838
-http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=126654

[Sully]

Personally I am of the opinion that a browser should not be required to be tweaked, turn this on or that off, for it to be reasonably fast. If there are conflicts, that is another story of course.

It is sort of like a car. I expect a motor to have proper plugs and be timed and tuned. It doesn't have to do 0-60 in record time, but it should run well. If I want to get more out of it, I tweak it by modifying fuel mixtures or specialized parts. The tweaking should enhance an already acceptible performance, not be required to get normal performance.

This is one reason why I tend to like simplistic programs and it is what I call "bloat". So many new fang-dangled features that it loses its basic performance -- and other things as well. This doesn't just apply to Opera, or at all. But the mentioning of tweaking an browser to make it work (assuming there is no program conflict) is, to me, unacceptable. It should work well with default settings.

Personally I haven't tried Opera in awhile because I am currently satisfied with Chromiums simplistic browser.

Sul.

[nanana1]

From Avira forum (http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=126838) :

Slow internet with Chrome with Webguard enabled
Sounds like I have the same problem as a few others. Especially with more complex websites (google maps, facebook etc).


Monday, February 7th 2011, 1:09pm

Chrome and Webguard (http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=126654)

Hello, I'm using Avira Professional. I installed last version from website but I have a porblem with webguard. Sites are loading too late. When I close webguard it turns back normal.



From Avira Knowledge Base (http://www.avira.ch/en/support-for-home-knowledgebase-detail/kbid/208)
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How does WebGuard impact my Internet download speed?
WebGuard acts like a HTTP proxy and needs to cache some data in order to scan it. After scanning, it delivers data to the browser at full speed.

WebGuard is very fast, so the scanning itself will take very little time.

As a result, you will have almost the same download speed, but it may seem slower because the data comes to the browser with a delay. For the same reason a lot of speed-test sites/programs will turn out to be inaccurate.



Interestingly, the Avira forum moderator, Sebastian, endorses Opera in his signature and this TS cannot use it.:wacko:

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Who knew you'd pop in to defend Opera? (playful poke, not being serious)" }-

No need to defend Opera here, just laying out the truth against the terrible lies.:P

-{ Quote: "I wanted to stop in here because this exact issue was happening to a friend of mine. Once the webguard in Avira was shut off, his Opera worked flawlessly. Another case of too many similar tools fighting each other, instead of working together it seems." }-

Great comments :thumb: and I am surprised we can agree here.;)

[funkydude]

-{ Quote: "I am currently satisfied with Chromiums simplistic browser." }-

There is nothing simple about Chromium other than it's UI. There is no simple browser today.

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "If I want to get more out of it, I tweak it by modifying fuel mixtures or specialized parts. The tweaking should enhance an already acceptible performance, not be required to get normal performance." }-

If I really want to get more (and much more), I forget about tweaking and change the engine instead, so I use Opera.8)

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "No need to defend Opera here, just laying out the truth against the terrible lies.:P



Great comments :thumb: and I am surprised we can agree here.;)" }-

Hehe, as I said, it was a playful jab :) Sure we can agree....for once, it's NOT Opera's fault :P...had to, for old time sake, lol. *exits the thread*

[Sully]

-{ Quote: "There is nothing simple about Chromium other than it's UI. There is no simple browser today." }-
That is true I am afraid. Only thing left of "simple" is how FEW options it has it seems. I prefer just a browser without all the "suite" type things, and turbo modes and blah blah. But under the hood, boy are you ever spot on with that comment.

Sul.

[Sully]

-{ Quote: "If I really want to get more (and much more), I forget about tweaking and change the engine instead, so I use Opera.8)" }-
Well, that is one way to do it lol. Of course "performance" is always measured differently by everyone it seems, so one should go with what "feels" best ;)

Sul.

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Well, that is one way to do it lol. Of course "performance" is always measured differently by everyone it seems, so one should go with what "feels" best ;)

Sul." }-

"Performance", to me, means it doesn't crash and renders perfectly and quickly (barring network/website issues). I really don't know if anyone goes by "feel" anymore. Now it's speed, speed speed.

[Sully]

Actually, I think everyone bases it off "feel". I say this because like so many here I have tried every browser, and sometimes those that are reported to be the fastest on earth ;) don't "seem" or "feel" the fastest at all. Same goes with about any program that has competition, such as imaging programs or defraggers. We try them all typically to see on our systems, which one is the "fastest", and we do this not by the claims, but by what we "feel" it doing.

Maybe "feel" isn't the best word here, but I think you see what I mean.

Sul.

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Actually, I think everyone bases it off "feel". I say this because like so many here I have tried every browser, and sometimes those that are reported to be the fastest on earth ;) don't "seem" or "feel" the fastest at all. Same goes with about any program that has competition, such as imaging programs or defraggers. We try them all typically to see on our systems, which one is the "fastest", and we do this not by the claims, but by what we "feel" it doing.

Maybe "feel" isn't the best word here, but I think you see what I mean.

Sul." }-

Oh, but Sully, if the benchtests say it's so, then it must be ;D Haven't you learned by now? Benchtests overrule "feel". Honestly the more that gets added in to "keep up with the competition", the less performance there will end up being, imho. That goes for all browsers.

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Oh, but Sully, if the benchtests say it's so, then it must be ;D Haven't you learned by now? Benchtests overrule "feel". Honestly the more that gets added in to "keep up with the competition", the less performance there will end up being, imho. That goes for all browsers." }-

Bench Test is the most objective way to assess and a yardstick to measure with. But whether a particular bench test is fair or not is another issue altogether. So when you claimed to be the fastest, you must show your bench test results to prove that you achieve the fastest results and the competition will try to outdo you in that test.8)

[buckshee]

I decided I'd try a couple more things and reloaded Opera as I really didn't want to give up on it until I was completely fed up with it.

I did the following settings change
Settings/Advanced/Network
Max Connections to a server = 8
Max Total Connections = 20
Now I don't know if this made any difference as well. But with Avira Webguard
active I set Ahead heursitic to low,

So far so good - But, hey, tomorrow is another day

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Actually, I think everyone bases it off "feel". I say this because like so many here I have tried every browser, and sometimes those that are reported to be the fastest on earth ;) don't "seem" or "feel" the fastest at all. Same goes with about any program that has competition, such as imaging programs or defraggers. We try them all typically to see on our systems, which one is the "fastest", and we do this not by the claims, but by what we "feel" it doing.

Maybe "feel" isn't the best word here, but I think you see what I mean.

Sul." }-

I called it "CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE" which explains why not everybody will use the "fastest" but the one which gives the most joy and satisfaction to the user.;) :P

[zfactor]

as a example i LOVE opera.... but i have simply found it horrible on a few systems i used it on. i have a problem on some systems where it loads the page in sections. ill have say just words on the page then pictures will slowly load. and its not just one page its on almost all of them and i have tried every tweek i could find without any success. where i find on the exact same machine firefox 4 and chrome blow it away page load wise.

so a lot will depend on the system its on also. i love opera and i do use it on some systems but others i just simply cant because it just doesnt work well with that system..