uninstaller with real time engine looking for

[mantra]

Hi
i'm looking for an uninstaller ,like revo pro , with a real time engine that can track registry changed and files...


i used revo pro , but i got lots of crashes and freezes
and i was forced to hardware reset


is there a software like revo pro ?

thanks

[Mr.PC]

What about Total Uninstall (http://www.martau.com/uninstaller-download.php) ?

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "What about Total Uninstall (http://www.martau.com/uninstaller-download.php) ?" }-

Total Uninstall is the best app of its type imo. Give a try.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "What about Total Uninstall (http://www.martau.com/uninstaller-download.php) ?" }-
but it does not have a real time engine to monitor installed programs,does it?

thanks

[acr1965]

I've not tried this for a while but I believe it has real time monitoring, plus there's a free version.

http://www.ashampoo.com/en/usd/pde/0803/Tools_and_Utilities/Ashampoo-Magical-UnInstall

[Mr.PC]

-{ Quote: "but it does not have a real time engine to monitor installed programs,does it?
thanks" }- You need to read carefully the Help file of Total Uninstall.;)

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "You need to read carefully the Help file of Total Uninstall.;)" }-
yes thanks
to read the help file i have to install it

but i guess it make a snapshot before and one after
please can you tell me if i'm right

[Boyfriend]

Yes. It makes quick snapshot before and one after installation. Then it compares and presents the differences (both file and registry) to user to review it. It can also export registry entries (settings, key info, etc.) for later installation.

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "
but i guess it make a snapshot before and one after
please can you tell me if i'm right" }-

That's right. You run a before and after snapshot. If you need a reboot in between then Total Uninstall completes the snapshot after reboot. For uninstall the best/safest approach imo is to ensure TU is set to always uninstall using first the provided uninstaller (i.e. the applications own uninstaller). When that's complete change the View to "Traces after Uninstall" and you can review what is left over and make a decision about whether to do a Clean Up.

Another tip I have is to do some "Clean Boot" installs. To do this create a new snapshot, and then just reboot your PC and complete the snapshot. This will show you all the items that have changed as a result of a boot and you can then add them to the Scan Exclude list (right click on the item) or Compare Ignore list. Do this several times until a boot shows no items changed. This ensures that when you install new software that requires a restart only the items changed by the program are recorded and not items that change every boot as a matter of course.

Final tip - after installing new software, run it (e.g. just open the GUI and close it again), before you complete the snapshot.

[Boyfriend]

Thanks Scoobs72 for very useful tips :) I am also considering using it. Your tips will help me a lot against numerous troubles, which I may have to face.

[CloneRanger]

Total Uninstall = :thumb:

Been using it for years, no problems :)

Also there is InCtrl5 you can use as well - http://www.freewaregeeks.com/?page=detail&get_id=2060&category=107

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "That's right. You run a before and after snapshot. If you need a reboot in between then Total Uninstall completes the snapshot after reboot. For uninstall the best/safest approach imo is to ensure TU is set to always uninstall using first the provided uninstaller (i.e. the applications own uninstaller). When that's complete change the View to "Traces after Uninstall" and you can review what is left over and make a decision about whether to do a Clean Up.

Another tip I have is to do some "Clean Boot" installs. To do this create a new snapshot, and then just reboot your PC and complete the snapshot. This will show you all the items that have changed as a result of a boot and you can then add them to the Scan Exclude list (right click on the item) or Compare Ignore list. Do this several times until a boot shows no items changed. This ensures that when you install new software that requires a restart only the items changed by the program are recorded and not items that change every boot as a matter of course.

Final tip - after installing new software, run it (e.g. just open the GUI and close it again), before you complete the snapshot." }-

thanks a lot
by the way revo pro has a real time engine
it 's pretty cool because monitor only the program you are going to install

but under xp i got some crashes
under w7 works great


does somebody use revo pro? some crashes?

[MrBrian]

Comodo Programs Manager

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Comodo Programs Manager" }-
do you use it ?
is safe?
thanks

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "thanks a lot
by the way revo pro has a real time engine
it 's pretty cool because monitor only the program you are going to install

but under xp i got some crashes
under w7 works great


does somebody use revo pro? some crashes?" }-
Use it under Win7 64bit and it performs flawlessly. Was interested to hear it has a real time engine. How is that activated. I can find no reference to it?

:-\

[MrBrian]

-{ Quote: "do you use it ?
is safe?" }-

I tried it in a virtual machine a few months ago. It didn't cover every installed program, if I recall correctly. Also, it changed my Automatic Updates settings. I kept the installer for possible future use but decided not to use it, for now.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "I tried it in a virtual machine a few months ago. It didn't cover every installed program, if I recall correctly. Also, it changed my Automatic Updates settings. I kept the installer for possible future use but decided not to use it, for now." }-
thanks
but doesn't have an exlorer extension like"install with comodo realtime engine"
sad it can't monitor every programs

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Use it under Win7 64bit and it performs flawlessly. Was interested to hear it has a real time engine. How is that activated. I can find no reference to it?

:-\" }-
have you the pro version ?
because only the pro version has this feature
real time engine
mouse right click install with revo
or run revo install program , browse and select the program you want to monitor

i guess that's it , good luck

cheers

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "have you the pro version ?
because only the pro version has this feature
real time engine
mouse right click install with revo
or run revo install program , browse and select the program you want to monitor

i guess that's it , good luck

cheers" }-
Hi Mantra

Yes, I have the Pro version but had never twigged on this function...which I can now see when doing as you described. Will have to try it out and see if it is any good. Thanks.

I recall many years ago using an app call Cleansweep (from Quarterdeck, I believe, but long since absorbed by Symantec) and it had a real time monitor that would intercept install...without any prompting and then proceed to log the changes, etc. and then when uninstalling it referred back to its log, etc.

Those were the days, eh!

Now where is my zimmer frame? ;) :P

[MrBrian]

-{ Quote: "thanks
but doesn't have an exlorer extension like"install with comodo realtime engine"
sad it can't monitor every programs" }-

I believe it does have such an explorer extension.

[brainrb1]

If you like Ashampoo products.....For XP/VISTA users
Ashampoo Magical UnInstall older version is free and it 'monitors each new installation'
http://download.cnet.com/Ashampoo-Magical-UnInstall/3000-2096_4-10764895.html?part=dl-AshampooM&subj=dl&tag=button
and register for free key...configure/internet/register for free key

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "If you like Ashampoo products.....For XP/VISTA users
Ashampoo Magical UnInstall older version is free and it 'monitors each new installation'
http://download.cnet.com/Ashampoo-Magical-UnInstall/3000-2096_4-10764895.html?part=dl-AshampooM&subj=dl&tag=button
and register for free key...configure/internet/register for free key" }-
thanks
i'm using
but seem to work like total uninstaller
i mean make a snapshot and a second shapshot , and make the compare

for real time monitor , i mean like revo , it doesn't make snapshots , it's a tiny driver 20k i guess and in real time while you are installing a program monitor the change in the registry and file

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "thanks
i'm using
but seem to work like total uninstaller
i mean make a snapshot and a second shapshot , and make the compare

for real time monitor , i mean like revo , it doesn't make snapshots , it's a tiny driver 20k i guess and in real time while you are installing a program monitor the change in the registry and file" }-
It will be difficult to find another uninstaller that has a real time installation monitor, as it appears to be a new approach and currently unique to Revo. In fact, this is the first I am hearing about it.

How well does it work?
Is it as good as snapshot based monitors?
How does this real time engine monitors if a program needs a reboot after installation?

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "It will be difficult to find another uninstaller that has a real time installation monitor, as it appears to be a new approach and currently unique to Revo. In fact, this is the first I am hearing about it.

How well does it work?
Is it as good as snapshot based monitors?
How does this real time engine monitors if a program needs a reboot after installation?" }-

How well does it work? -> 100% really
Is it as good as snapshot based monitors? -> i guess better

How does this real time engine monitors if a program needs a reboot after installation? -> don't know really but i send an email they told me it will 100% work in the next version

cheers

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "How well does it work? -> 100% really
Is it as good as snapshot based monitors? -> i guess better

How does this real time engine monitors if a program needs a reboot after installation? -> don't know really but i send an email they told me it will 100% work in the next version

cheers" }-
So, you are saying Revo real time engine currently can not monitor those programs that require a reboot during their installation routine? That appears to be a major drawback. I have never tried Revo pro before. I will give it a try and see how it compares with other snapshot based uninstallers.

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "It will be difficult to find another uninstaller that has a real time installation monitor, as it appears to be a new approach and currently unique to Revo. In fact, this is the first I am hearing about it.

How well does it work?
Is it as good as snapshot based monitors?
How does this real time engine monitors if a program needs a reboot after installation?" }-
Here is what the user manual states about all of this:

"Here is the summary you have to do to install programs with Revo Uninstaller Pro:

1. Right-mouse click on the setup file of the program you want to install (or use Install Programs toolbar button in Revo Uninstaller Pro)
2. Install the program as usual
3. Start and configure the program (programs)
4. Press Stop and Save on the band (toolbar)

Some programs require restarting before you are able to run them for the first time. If that is the case you have to Stop monitoring, Save the log and then restart. Revo Uninstaller Pro has the ability to detect system restarts and save the log automatically, but in this case the name of the log will be the name set by Revo Uninstaller Pro."

Have not had the opportunity to try one of these cases myself where a reboot is required but I dare say what is stated above sounds feasible.

;D

PS: Mods; hope it is OK to quote user manual? If not then please delete as appropriate.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "So, you are saying Revo real time engine currently can not monitor those programs that require a reboot during their installation routine? That appears to be a major drawback. I have never tried Revo pro before. I will give it a try and see how it compares with other snapshot based uninstallers." }-
thanks
i would be happy to know such results

do you think total uninstaller is still the best ? i mean the last version, i don't talk about the free version

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "

Some programs require restarting before you are able to run them for the first time. If that is the case you have to Stop monitoring, Save the log and then restart. Revo Uninstaller Pro has the ability to detect system restarts and save the log automatically, but in this case the name of the log will be the name set by Revo Uninstaller Pro."

" }-

That's a real pain. Total Uninstall does this automatically across reboots.

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "It will be difficult to find another uninstaller that has a real time installation monitor, as it appears to be a new approach and currently unique to Revo. In fact, this is the first I am hearing about it.

" }-

TU has a real time monitor called "Agent" in the Pro version. The agent intercepts installs as they happen, based on various masks. It's just a way of avoiding having to manually right click "Monitor with Total Uninstall" on the .exe when you do an install.

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "
Some programs require restarting before you are able to run them for the first time. If that is the case you have to Stop monitoring, Save the log and then restart. Revo Uninstaller Pro has the ability to detect system restarts and save the log automatically, but in this case the name of the log will be the name set by Revo Uninstaller Pro."

" }-
But does it automatically start after the reboot to continue monitoring? It is recommended to run a newly installed program at least once, as new registry keys are created on the first run, before finalizing the install log. Wouldn't Revo real time monitor miss those addition keys?

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "TU has a real time monitor called "Agent" in the Pro version. The agent intercepts installs as they happen, based on various masks. It's just a way of avoiding having to manually right click "Monitor with Total Uninstall" on the .exe when you do an install." }-

I did not know that. I thought it was a snapshot based uninstaller only. I will look into it.

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "I did not know that. I thought it was a snapshot based uninstaller only. I will look into it." }-

Yes it is still a snapshot based uninstaller - perhaps I have misunderstood what folks were talking about when using the term 'realtime'. Any other method apart from snapshot based sounds very dubious to me...however I'm now curious so will take a closer look at Revo :)

[Scoobs72]

Well I've taken Revo for a quick spin with a side-by-side comparison to Total Uninstall. Initial impressions:

1. Monitoring of installations is certainly simple and more convenient than Total Uninstall. This is it's big plus point, however Total Uninstall can hardly be seen as inconvenient in the snapshot monitoring method
2. The accuracy of monitoring appears good and based on my single install test, on a par with Total Uninstall
3. Support for monitoring across system restarts appears poor and the manual has just 4 very vague sentences on the subject. Reliable monitoring across restarts is a critical requirement of any tool such as this.
4. Revo is missing many of the advanced features of Total Uninstall, too numerous to list here.

In summary, the realtime monitoring is nice, but aside from this it can't match Total Uninstall for features and capabilities. With further development it could be a nice alternative, however the monitoring across reboots issue has to be addressed.

Disclaimer - the above info was based on a 30 minute test. If I missed anything, it's not my fault!

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "But does it automatically start after the reboot to continue monitoring? It is recommended to run a newly installed program at least once, as new registry keys are created on the first run, before finalizing the install log. Wouldn't Revo real time monitor miss those addition keys?" }-
Cannot advise on this yet as I have not yet installed anything new that requires a reboot. I will go looking for one and if I find a likely candidate I will try an install to see what it does in this case. Will of course post back if and when that occurs.

;D

Edit: Scoobs has responded re. this but I have just noticed elsewhere that apparently improving the real time install re. handling reboots is on the cards...but no idea when this might be.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Well I've taken Revo for a quick spin with a side-by-side comparison to Total Uninstall. Initial impressions:

1. Monitoring of installations is certainly simple and more convenient than Total Uninstall. This is it's big plus point, however Total Uninstall can hardly be seen as inconvenient in the snapshot monitoring method
2. The accuracy of monitoring appears good and based on my single install test, on a par with Total Uninstall
3. Support for monitoring across system restarts appears poor and the manual has just 4 very vague sentences on the subject. Reliable monitoring across restarts is a critical requirement of any tool such as this.
4. Revo is missing many of the advanced features of Total Uninstall, too numerous to list here.

In summary, the realtime monitoring is nice, but aside from this it can't match Total Uninstall for features and capabilities. With further development it could be a nice alternative, however the monitoring across reboots issue has to be addressed.

Disclaimer - the above info was based on a 30 minute test. If I missed anything, it's not my fault!" }-

yes i agree
but i gess revo is more safe
when you try to uninstall a tracked program it allarm you on keys that could be dangerous to delete

total uninstall doen't do it

[Scoobs72]

-{ Quote: "yes i agree
but i gess revo is more safe
when you try to uninstall a tracked program it allarm you on keys that could be dangerous to delete

total uninstall doen't do it" }-

TU does this automatically through excluding specific files/folders and registry entries by default in the snapshot analysis. 99% of people wouldn't know whether a registry key was safe to delete or not :)

[Scoobs72]

...note to self...stop sounding like a fanboy.

[pegr]

For some additional reading, this subject has also previously been discussed in the following threads: -

Uninstall Software? (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=258680)

Looking for pure "installation monitor" tool (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=246632)

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "TU does this automatically through excluding specific files/folders and registry entries by default in the snapshot analysis. 99% of people wouldn't know whether a registry key was safe to delete or not :)" }-
do you mean the last version of total uninstaller is like revo , i mean there a lot of keys in exlusion list because they are dangerous to delete?

i was not able to run revo in safe mode , is there a way to load revolt.sys in safe mode?


do you test under xp sp2 /vista sp1 or w7?

thanks a lot

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "Well I've taken Revo for a quick spin with a side-by-side comparison to Total Uninstall. Initial impressions:
" }-
Thank you for carrying out the test. I could not find the time to try it myself. So, the real time engine can not monitor after a reboot and that makes it only 50% useful.

-{ Quote: "
Edit: Scoobs has responded re. this but I have just noticed elsewhere that apparently improving the real time install re. handling reboots is on the cards...but no idea when this might be." }-

I will be looking forward to this improvement to the real time monitoring engine. The technology looks promising, but without the ability to continue monitoring after a reboot it is currently only partially useful.

[Raza0007]

-{ Quote: "For some additional reading, this subject has also previously been discussed in the following threads: -

Uninstall Software? (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=258680)

Looking for pure "installation monitor" tool (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=246632)" }- I believe we are discussing the "Real Time Monitoring" technology of Revo, which is new and so probably is not discussed in the previous discussion threads.

[pegr]

-{ Quote: "I believe we are discussing the "Real Time Monitoring" technology of Revo, which is new and so probably is not discussed in the previous discussion threads." }-It's being compared to Total Uninstall though, which was previously discussed. In any case, I imagine the caveats relating to the use of third-party uninstallers in general probably still apply.