restart needed after update?

[hojtsy]

I have heard that TDS3 definition updating should be followed by a TDS restart to use the new defs. Is this true?
What about execution protection: Do you need to reboot or restart to use the new defs in the exec protection?
-hojtsy-

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "I have heard that TDS3 definition updating should be followed by a TDS restart to use the new defs. Is this true?" }-
Hojtsy

Good question. I'm a relatively new user of TDS-3, but I'll give this one a try.

If your a registered user of TDS-3, you can update the defs from the toolbar. I believe (while not 100% sure) that after updating the defs, the app automatically restarts the scanner (on-demand and execution protection). Here is the message I get after updating the refs, which leads me to that belief:
Radius Advanced Specialist Extensions on standby for 13 trojan families

22:27:59 [Radius] • Systems Initialised [33631 references - 12563 primaries/9529 traces/11539 variants/other]

22:27:59 [Radius] Radius Systems loaded. <Databases updated 17-04-2004>

22:27:59 [Radius Update] Update complete.

Now if your not a registered user, you have to manually download the updated defs, and manually restart the app.

[nameless]

I'm a registered user of TDS-3, and I've always assumed that you need to restart TDS after updating the database. I've always known that you can download database updates through the interface (or automatically, which is equivalent), and that TDS doesn't restart afterward. Still, I've always assumed... neurosis I guess.

What I do is launch TDS with a batch file, which checks for a database update (and downloads it if available), then launches TDS afterward. This method may be unnecessary, but it is a very easy way to check for updates and run TDS, without having to restart it. Here is the basic batch file used (paths may vary, of course, and this is only for Win2K/XP):

@echo off
if not defined TDSul set TDSul=1 & start "Updating and launching TDS" /min %SystemRoot%\system32\cmd.exe /c %0 & goto :EOF

cls
echo.
echo Please wait while the TDS updater runs...
echo.

start "" /wait "C:\Program Files\TDS\update.exe"

start "" "C:\Program Files\TDS\tds-3.exe"

Note: The "if not defined" line near the top simply causes the command window to run minimized. That's all it does, and it can be removed or commented out if desired.

[Gavin - DiamondCS]

If update.exe is used, it will automatically issue the commandline for TDS to reload the databases - InitRadius

If you update manually, you can either restart TDS or type initradius into the TDS commandline to re-initialise the databases. Execution Protection will now be using the new databases as well.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

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Gavin,

What is "update.exe"? I always use "Update TDS Database Now - Ctrl-U" from the TDS menu. Is this the same thing as "update.exe"?

[Paul Wilders]

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What is "update.exe"? I always use "Update TDS Database Now - Ctrl-U" from the TDS menu. Is this the same thing as "update.exe"?" }-

It's one and the same :)

regards.

paul

[Dazed_and_Confused]

Paul,

Thanks. Now that Hojtsy got us on the TDS-3 update subject, I do have one observation to make. I understand the app is supposed to automatically update on Monday's and Friday's. I've never seen this happen with my app - at least there has never been a message on the TDS message screen that indicated that it automatically updated. Not that it's a big problem - it's rather easy to update manually. But I am curious as to why the auto update is not working.

[Pilli]

Hi Dazed_and_Confused. Not Paul I'm afraid :)
This screenshot will show you what you need to enable:
Tick Automatic updates and then save.

HTH Pilli

[Dazed_and_Confused]

Pilli,

Thanks for the help. However, I already have that option enabled. When it automatically updates, should I see a message similar to one I get when I update manually? Thanks again!

[scartissue]

mine does the same thing..I have the option selected to update auto but TDS3 will not..I have to do it manualy every time.??

[Pilli]

Hmm, I suppose the easieast way to check is to check your logs, \TDS3\log\month then select a Monday or Friday
Open the log file, which is in plain text and you will see every action that TDS3 takes including updates and scans.
Here is a copy from my log today, note the new radius file for today has not yet been issued :)

09:37:17 [Radius Update] Downloaded file was corrupt, trying next server...
09:37:19 [Radius Update] Database already up-to-date - transfer aborted.


HTH. Pilli

[nameless]

Is everyone afraid of a two-line batch file?

start "" /wait "C:\Program Files\Trojan Defence Suite\update.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Trojan Defence Suite\tds-3.exe"

The above saves you from having to update manually, having to remember to update manually, and having to worry about whether or not the automatic update works.

[Fraha]

Hi,

Could it be that the Radius update will not occur when the computer stays on all the time?
I have several log files on Friday and Monday where there is no mention of a radius update! :o

How does this work? If all systems would try to update on Monday or Friday and do that (in a given timezone) all at the same time it would not work I guess?
Is there some random thingy in the code? Just curious! 8)

Frans

[Fraha]

-{ Quote: "Is everyone afraid of a two-line batch file?

start "" /wait "C:\Program Files\Trojan Defence Suite\update.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Trojan Defence Suite\tds-3.exe"

The above saves you from having to update manually, having to remember to update manually, and having to worry about whether or not the automatic update works." }-

And in which *.BAT file should we place this? c:\autoexec.bat ?

What does the START statement do then?

Frans

[FanJ]

Only a few links to batch-files:


http://www.cs.ntu.edu.au/homepages/bea/home/subjects/ith305/ith305.html

http://www.aumha.org/a/batches.htm

http://lists.gpick.com./pages/MS_DOS.htm


BTW:
I myself check manually every working day for a TDS-3 update.
But that is - of course - everyone's own decision.

[nameless]

-{ Quote: "And in which *.BAT file should we place this? c:\autoexec.bat ?

What does the START statement do then?" }-

No, certainly not autoexec.bat. You'd create a totally new command script file. As I mentioned before, this is only intended for Win2K and WinXP. (The START command won't work elsewhere.)

The START command simply starts the two programs (update.exe and tds-3.exe). The /WAIT parameter associated with update.exe simply tells the command script interpreter to wait until update.exe finishes before it runs tds-3.exe.

I'm sure there are ways to accomplish the same thing with Win9x/Me if you really wanted to.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "Could it be Radius update will not occur when the computer stays on all the time?" }-
By golly, I think that's it! I did notice that when I started the app on Mondays or Fridays it udpated automatically when starting. However, if the app is already open, it will not automatically update.

[Jooske]

Add the radius.td3 to the CRC32 scan so you see if it did change. As much work as manually pressing the Update now option in my opinion.
You can add the update.exe in your windows taskmanager, use a script to time it, do it voice commanded with that option in a voice recognition desktophelper, whatever means you like.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

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Jooske,

This is EXACTLY what I did, and it works GREAT! :D I have it setup to udpate daily at a preset time. Thanks a bunch.