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mantra
August 29th, 2010, 12:36 AM
Hi

are there some anti spam rules to import in thunderbird?

i did look for them , but did not find

otherwise in there a thunderbird alternative , with anti spam rules to import or update?

thanks
cheers

Adric
August 29th, 2010, 07:14 AM
I have a simplistic way of doing this by using Message Filters
via the Tools drop-down.

Filter Rules

Filter Name: From Spam (Junk)
Apply filter when: Checking Mail or Manually Run

Match any of the following
From - Isn't in my address book - Collected Addresses
From - is - my e-Mail Address (i.e xyz@abc.com)

Perform these actions:
Set Junk Status to - Junk
Delete Message

Everything not in my address book goes to the trash folder which you can spot check to see if you want to add any of those addresses to your Collected Addresses. Once you are sure there is no mail you want to keep or add to you address book, go to Tools and Run filters on folder while in the trash folder and all the junk will be deleted from the trash folder. Occasionally, run a Compact on the trash folder to keep it from getting too big.

I never see any spam clutter in my Inbox. I have full control of what gets deleted and what doesn't. Even though it is not 100% automated, it works fine for my needs.

Al

tlu
August 29th, 2010, 07:57 AM
-{ Quote: "Hi

are there some anti spam rules to import in thunderbird?

i did look for them , but did not find

otherwise in there a thunderbird alternative , with anti spam rules to import or update?

thanks
cheers" }-

I wonder why you would need that. The junk filter in Thunderbird is very good once trained which takes a little while if you start using it.

whitedragon551
August 29th, 2010, 08:41 AM
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=280295

When I just did this with TheBat it only allows you to import them to a POP account. So what I did was setup a free POP account through Gmail. Set that account up in TheBat and imported the spam to my spam account. From there you can drag and drop to another account. Once in my main account's spam box I used one of TheBat plugins (AntiSpam Sniper) with the 2500 emails from the link in the thread I posted.

mantra
August 29th, 2010, 10:17 AM
-{ Quote: "I wonder why you would need that. The junk filter in Thunderbird is very good once trained which takes a little while if you start using it." }-
thanks
are you talking about the built in spam engine or about a component ?

thanks to all

mantra
August 29th, 2010, 10:18 AM
-{ Quote: "http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=280295

When I just did this with TheBat it only allows you to import them to a POP account. So what I did was setup a free POP account through Gmail. Set that account up in TheBat and imported the spam to my spam account. From there you can drag and drop to another account. Once in my main account's spam box I used one of TheBat plugins (AntiSpam Sniper) with the 2500 emails from the link in the thread I posted." }-
thanks
the bat! + plugin are a bit expansive,compared to many free clients

tlu
August 29th, 2010, 11:26 AM
-{ Quote: "thanks
are you talking about the built in spam engine or about a component ?
" }-

The built-in (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Junk_Mail_Controls) one.

EDIT: I recommend adding the JunQuilla (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/9886/) extension. Its documentation can be found here (http://mesquilla.com/extensions/junquilla/).

mantra
August 29th, 2010, 12:49 PM
-{ Quote: "The built-in (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Junk_Mail_Controls) one.

EDIT: I recommend adding the JunQuilla (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/9886/) extension. Its documentation can be found here (http://mesquilla.com/extensions/junquilla/)." }-
thanks
by the way there is nothing to import , words ,token and son
i mean something like adblock

can i delete this emails directly in the server before download them?

tlu
August 29th, 2010, 01:08 PM
-{ Quote: "thanks
by the way there is nothing to import , words ,token and son
i mean something like adblock

can i delete this emails directly in the server before download them?" }-

No, there isn't, AFAIK. But again, the junk filter learns pretty fast - within 3-4 weeks it's very reliable. Particularly in the beginning make sure that you regularly check the junk folder in order to mark possible false positives as "Not junk".

whitedragon551
August 29th, 2010, 04:17 PM
-{ Quote: "thanks
the bat! + plugin are a bit expansive,compared to many free clients" }-

Well worth it. Very configurable, light, and offers loads of plugins and options.

mantra
August 30th, 2010, 01:39 AM
-{ Quote: "No, there isn't, AFAIK. But again, the junk filter learns pretty fast - within 3-4 weeks it's very reliable. Particularly in the beginning make sure that you regularly check the junk folder in order to mark possible false positives as "Not junk"." }-
thanks

the problem is that i have a not english thunderbird , i have different names ..

i tried to install a language pack to have thunderbird in 2 languages but it did not work

i did exactly -> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Language_packs#Downloading_a_language_pack

and after the last program update the fonts become microscopic ,can you help me to enlarge? i can not even seen them :(


i found this link to enlarge fonts http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=56972
but it's incredible that's not exist a plugins or a tool to customize thunderbird fonts

mantra
August 30th, 2010, 03:17 AM
i can change this fonts in the arrow
please help

tlu
August 30th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Perhaps this site helps: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Font_settings_in_Thunderbird

mantra
September 2nd, 2010, 05:43 AM
-{ Quote: "I have a simplistic way of doing this by using Message Filters
via the Tools drop-down.

Filter Rules

Filter Name: From Spam (Junk)
Apply filter when: Checking Mail or Manually Run

Match any of the following
From - Isn't in my address book - Collected Addresses
From - is - my e-Mail Address (i.e xyz@abc.com)

Perform these actions:
Set Junk Status to - Junk
Delete Message

Everything not in my address book goes to the trash folder which you can spot check to see if you want to add any of those addresses to your Collected Addresses. Once you are sure there is no mail you want to keep or add to you address book, go to Tools and Run filters on folder while in the trash folder and all the junk will be deleted from the trash folder. Occasionally, run a Compact on the trash folder to keep it from getting too big.

I never see any spam clutter in my Inbox. I have full control of what gets deleted and what doesn't. Even though it is not 100% automated, it works fine for my needs.

Al" }-
hi
thanks
i tried to run thunderbird in english to learn from you

i can make filters
but i have more then 1 account
i clicked to a sender to block it but i can make a rule only for 1 account

is there a way to make a filter that works for all my accounts

thanks

tlu
September 2nd, 2010, 06:05 AM
-{ Quote: "

is there a way to make a filter that works for all my accounts
" }-
AFAIK that's the normal behaviour. This is confirmed in http://kb.mozillazine.org/Junk_Mail_Controls :
-{ Quote: "Even though the phrase "Configure Junk Settings for: <account name>" shows when you are on this tab, the option to reset training data applies to ALL of your accounts. There is only one set of training data, so don't reset it here thinking you will only affect the account shown." }-

Adric
September 2nd, 2010, 11:04 AM
-{ Quote: "hi
thanks
i tried to run thunderbird in english to learn from you

i can make filters
but i have more then 1 account
i clicked to a sender to block it but i can make a rule only for 1 account

is there a way to make a filter that works for all my accounts

thanks" }-

Filters must be set up on a per-account basis, and they likewise operate on a per-account basis. I believe filters can be copied to another account though. See: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_%28Thunderbird%29 for complete details and tutorial

Al

tlu
September 2nd, 2010, 01:02 PM
-{ Quote: "Filters must be set up on a per-account basis, and they likewise operate on a per-account basis. I believe filters can be copied to another account though. See: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_%28Thunderbird%29 for complete details and tutorial

Al" }-
I don't think that this is correct. You have to differentiate between message filters and the junk filter. There are indeed account specific message filters which can be seen in the messageFilterRules.dat text file in every account - but they have nothing to do with the junk filter. The junk filter (which is a Bayes filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_spam_filtering)), on the other hand, only uses the training.dat file which contains the training data for the Junk Mail Controls - and there is only one in your profile folder (i.e. not account specific).

mantra
September 3rd, 2010, 01:37 AM
-{ Quote: "I don't think that this is correct. You have to differentiate between message filters and the junk filter. There are indeed account specific message filters which can be seen in the messageFilterRules.dat text file in every account - but they have nothing to do with the junk filter. The junk filter (which is a Bayes filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_spam_filtering)), on the other hand, only uses the training.dat file which contains the training data for the Junk Mail Controls - and there is only one in your profile folder (i.e. not account specific)." }-
thanks
so junk work for every account
filters are account dipendent , aren't?

mantra
September 3rd, 2010, 02:07 AM
hi

by the way maybe is almost off topic but i found a nice component to change the language on firefox and thunderbird quick locale switcher https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/addon/1333/?src=api


is there a way to force thunderbird to write settings on a file instead on registry?


why don't open a topic with What are the "Must Have" extensions for thunderbird ?

thanks a lot

Adric
September 3rd, 2010, 05:52 AM
-{ Quote: "I don't think that this is correct. You have to differentiate between message filters and the junk filter. There are indeed account specific message filters which can be seen in the messageFilterRules.dat text file in every account - but they have nothing to do with the junk filter. The junk filter (which is a Bayes filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_spam_filtering)), on the other hand, only uses the training.dat file which contains the training data for the Junk Mail Controls - and there is only one in your profile folder (i.e. not account specific)." }-

I wasn't talking about the Junk Mail Controls component. I specifically talked about using the Message Filters component as did the URL that I pointed to.

Al