SO with SRWare Iron 5.0.380

[vtol]

Assuming that Google's Chrome and it's derivative Iron are supported by P/SO.

If so having trouble with the SO tab on Iron 5.0.380 (beta yet close to RC) to show. Most of the time the SO tab is a no-show, if though randomly appearing it sits in a strange position at the upper right edge. Even when dragged to a more convenient place it would escape and return to the initial position, or better be a no-show again. OS is WIN 7 64bit

[Dark Star 72]

Can confirm this behaviour in the ChromePlus browser. When I open the browser the SO tab will be where I placed it but after browsing a couple of sites it will disappear. Close and reopen the browser and the tab will be back again.
Even if the tab has disappeared SO is still active, confirmed that by going to a known 'bad' site which triggers the Prevx blackout ;D Do you really want to go there, there be dragons lurking :o
I'm sure this wasn't a problem with Google Chrome but wasn't using build 130 then.
Am on XP Home SP3 with Returnil 2010.

[PrevxHelp]

We currently aren't trying to support SRWare Iron directly so there could indeed be some issues - I'll take a look at this soon to try to get a more reliable experience together :)

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "We currently aren't trying to support SRWare Iron directly" }-

Looks like i'll be bumper hitching with pegas ;)

[vtol]

-{ Quote: "Can confirm this behaviour in the ChromePlus browser. When I open the browser the SO tab will be where I placed it but after browsing a couple of sites it will disappear. Close and reopen the browser and the tab will be back again.
Even if the tab has disappeared SO is still active, confirmed that by going to a known 'bad' site which triggers the Prevx blackout ;D Do you really want to go there, there be dragons lurking :o
I'm sure this wasn't a problem with Google Chrome but wasn't using build 130 then.
Am on XP Home SP3 with Returnil 2010." }-SO not active anymore (WIN 7 64bit) with b x.136, though the tab is still there

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[tobacco]

lol!

Before it should of been there and wasn't and now it shouldn't be there but is :wacko:

I thought SO was ready for prime time but i'm guessing from all these recent threads that SO still needs a ton of work.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "lol! Before it should of been there and wasn't and now it shouldn't be there but is" }-

We don't necessarily support SRWare Iron or other custom builds of browsers, only the default versions of Chrome, Opera, IE, and Firefox.

-{ Quote: "I thought SO was ready for prime time but i'm guessing from all these recent threads that SO still needs a ton of work." }-

There has never been an issue that we couldn't solve and we solve most of them in only a few hours or after a single user reports it - please let us know if there are any issues you are experiencing but SafeOnline is currently used by more than 5 million users, almost entirely without problems.

[vtol]

-{ Quote: "lol!

Before it should of been there and wasn't and now it shouldn't be there but is :wacko:

I thought SO was ready for prime time but i'm guessing from all these recent threads that SO still needs a ton of work." }-it is not always there, more erratic and if showing still in that far right upper place. does not matter though as it does not work. which they said is by design as not supporting this browser. I am curious how it does with the latest chrome beta released today, at least chrome is supported by Prevx, but I am not going to install that google stuff.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: " but SafeOnline is currently used by more than 5 million users, almost entirely without problems." }-

Joe

Pleeeeeeeeeease - don't start responding defensively like all the other forums do! It is what has always separated Prevx from the other support forums ;)

The positive and not negative or defensive responses. Since you support chrome and iron is very similar and based on the same source code, it shouldn't be difficult to figure out right??

[Triple Helix]

-{ Quote: "Joe

Pleeeeeeeeeease - don't start responding defensively like all the other forums do! It is what has always separated Prevx from the other support forums ;)

The positive and not negative or defensive responses. Since you support chrome and iron is very similar and based on the same source code, it shouldn't be difficult to figure out right??" }-

But then your get a list as long as my arm! Can you add this Browser and this one and on and on! I use 3 of the four as I will not use Google products anymore! IMO

TH

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Joe

Pleeeeeeeeeease - don't start responding defensively like all the other forums do! It is what has always separated Prevx from the other support forums ;) " }-

It's hard to not respond defensively when receiving messages like: "I thought SO was ready for prime time but i'm guessing from all these recent threads that SO still needs a ton of work. "

If I've misinterpreted your post then sorry but I felt like it was necessary to clarify that the massive majority of Prevx users are running fine and without problems :)

-{ Quote: "The positive and not negative or defensive responses. Since you support chrome and iron is very similar and based on the same source code, it shouldn't be difficult to figure out right??" }-

It is a matter of priority - Iron has an extremely low userbase and we have a number of other improvements (i.e. Prevx 4.0 :)) which are a higher priority than small, infrequently used browsers.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "It is a matter of priority - Iron has an extremely low userbase" }-

Correct but we aren't talking about a browser based entirely on new and completely different code. You support Google chrome and both Iron and Google chrome are based on the same code.

But enough said - it's your choice to ignore Iron and until i see the "customer is always right" and "we strive to be the best and most compatible product out there" attitude return, i have no choice but to withhold my recommendation of Prevx and SO :thumbd: to all family, friends and contacts which by the way, is the only security progam i have ever recommended.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Correct but we aren't talking about a browser based entirely on new and completely different code. You support Google chrome and both Iron and Google chrome are based on the same code." }-

The issue is that SafeOnline doesn't integrate into the browser itself - it works beneath the browser layer, so each minor browser change requires a significant change on our end. Identifying URLs in each different browser requires massive amounts of work to find the correct browser address bar, which is why we can't easily add other browsers (even though the bulk of the protection can be loaded beneath it).

-{ Quote: "But enough said - it's your choice to ignore Iron and until i see the "customer is always right" and "we strive to be the best and most compatible product out there" attitude return, i have no choice but to withhold my recommendation of Prevx and SO :thumbd: to all family, friends and contacts which by the way, is the only security progam i have ever recommended." }-

We always have the mentality to be as compatible as possible and it is on our roadmap to add support for minor browsers but I am just trying to be fair in saying that it won't be done in the next update but will be much easier to be added in the Prevx 4.0 architecture, which is still quite some time away.

[Dark Star 72]

-{ Quote: "The issue is that SafeOnline doesn't integrate into the browser itself - it works beneath the browser layer, so each minor browser change requires a significant change on our end. Identifying URLs in each different browser requires massive amounts of work to find the correct browser address bar, which is why we can't easily add other browsers (even though the bulk of the protection can be loaded beneath it)" }-
Joe,
When I am using the ChromePlus browser the Tab is sometimes there, sometimes not. Regardless of whether the tab is visible or not is the browser still as fully protected by PSO as say Firefox is?

[vtol]

-{ Quote: "It is a matter of priority - Iron has an extremely low userbase and we have a number of other improvements (i.e. Prevx 4.0 :)) which are a higher priority than small, infrequently used browsers." }-

But SeaMonkey is not a small, infrequently used browser?

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=272036

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "But SeaMonkey is not a small, infrequently used browser?" }-

We have not put forth any effort to adding SeaMonkey - it may have inadvertently become supported because of changes to Firefox protection :)

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Joe,
When I am using the ChromePlus browser the Tab is sometimes there, sometimes not. Regardless of whether the tab is visible or not is the browser still as fully protected by PSO as say Firefox is?" }-

Hard to say - we haven't done any testing at all with ChromePlus so I wouldn't count on it. It likely has similar attributes to the Chrome browser itself but we aren't intentionally supporting it.

[vtol]

-{ Quote: " because of changes to Firefox protection :)" }-but not FF 3.7, which is still not supported...

[Cudni]

-{ Quote: "but not FF 3.7, which is still not supported..." }-
should it be if still being worked on continuously until official release date

[vtol]

-{ Quote: "should it be if still being worked on continuously until official release date" }-might be, however I would like to believe that early development snapshots are being utilized by a broader audience than it used to be. there is no harm to get on the wagon early

[1000db]

-{ Quote: "It is a matter of priority - Iron has an extremely low userbase and we have a number of other improvements (i.e. Prevx 4.0 :)) which are a higher priority than small, infrequently used browsers." }-

I'm an avid Iron user and have waited for it's support in SO. However, I believe the protection that SO currently provides was worth switching to a different browser for everyday use. Even as an Iron user I have to agree with PrevxHelp that the low user base of Iron warrants the current decision not to support Iron. It makes sense from a development perspective.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "I'm an avid Iron user and have waited for it's support in SO. However, I believe the protection that SO currently provides was worth switching to a different browser for everyday use. Even as an Iron user I have to agree with PrevxHelp that the low user base of Iron warrants the current decision not to support Iron. It makes sense from a development perspective." }-

Your choice 1000

But if everyone thought that way, and "thank god we don't", we'd all still be using "Internet Explorer".

[Triple Helix]

But you have IE,FF,Opera and Chrome all supported and secured to do online transactions what else is needed in reality? IMHO You can use the other Browsers to do what ever you like but if you need to be secure use the one's that are supported for now Joe said that they will try to add more in Version 4!

TH

[ace55]

-{ Quote: "But if everyone thought that way, and "thank god we don't", we'd all still be using "Internet Explorer"." }-

All SRWare iron adds to Chrome is adblocking and no transmission of the RLZ identifier on a Google search query. Oh, and no google updater program, so you can leave vulnerabilities in your browser longer.

In no way is SRWare Iron such an innovative browser that it deserves high priority. It has a small user base for a reason. Badmouthing Prevx to your friends/family is your call, but come on man. If you want SO, use Chrome with AdSweep. If you want baked in adblocking, use Iron without SO. Choice is obvious to me.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "Badmouthing Prevx to your friends/family is your call, but come on man. If you want SO, use Chrome with AdSweep. If you want baked in adblocking, use Iron without SO. Choice is obvious to me." }-

So sorry i insulted your mother (prevx) ::)

And who said i'm "bad mouthing" prevx?? I just said i will not recommend any longer. Go back to school if you can't see the diff!

[vtol]

-{ Quote: "All SRWare iron adds to Chrome is adblocking and no transmission of the RLZ identifier on a Google search query. Oh, and no google updater program, so you can leave vulnerabilities in your browser longer." }-

It may provide also a installation path of the user's choice, which Google does not. But you are obviously an expert.

-{ Quote: "In no way is SRWare Iron such an innovative browser that it deserves high priority. It has a small user base for a reason. Badmouthing Prevx to your friends/family is your call, but come on man. If you want SO, use Chrome with AdSweep. If you want baked in adblocking, use Iron without SO. Choice is obvious to me." }-Good that you are deciding about priorities others than your own!

There are reasons (also other, e.g. no support for FF 3.7, buggy WIN 7 64 bit implementation) to refrain from recommending Prevx until it has been matured.

[Saint Satin Stain]

-{ Quote: "We have not put forth any effort to adding SeaMonkey - it may have inadvertently become supported because of changes to Firefox protection :)" }-
My optimism was premature, the next day the SO icon was not there, then a few hours later it appeared again. It blinks in about five percent of the time. So Prevx Help's explanation is probably correct. SeaMonkey and Ff share some code.

[PrevxHelp]

We took another look at SRWare Iron and have added preliminary support in the newest beta version just to see how extensible the Prevx framework is - you should be able to use the beta version from here: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=1681593#post1681593 :)

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "We took another look at SRWare Iron and have added preliminary support in the newest beta version just to see how extensible the Prevx framework is - you should be able to use the beta version from here: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=1681593#post1681593 :)" }-

Well, Well, Well

Now that's the Prevx Help we have all come to know - "always striving to be the best and most compatible"!

Keep up the good work :thumb:

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "We took another look at SRWare Iron and have added preliminary support in the newest beta version just to see how extensible the Prevx framework is - you should be able to use the beta version from here: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=1681593#post1681593 :)" }-

Using the most up to date versions of SRWare Iron and Prevx Facebook SafeOnline and there are no changes. SafeOnline tab disappears after 5-10 minutes of browsing and only reappears after restarting Iron. Then disappears again. SafeOnline protection has been lowered from max to high to allow Snagit to work.

[trjam]

Joe, Iron is nice, really nice and it would only benifit Prevx to go ahead and get it working with SO. I am using it as my main browser on all computers.