Email and Clients

[whitedragon551]

What web based email do you guys use? I have Gmail for my personal account and through my college, but I feel like its not very private. Im looking for something a bit more secure.

While were at it Im looking to integrate my email into my desktop so I dont have to leave my email page open all the time in FF. What clients do you guys use and why?

In the past I used Thunderbird and I think it would compliment FF. However Zimbra seems like a decent tool as does PostBox and Eudora. Id prefer something that has an open source user base so its easily configurable and skinnable.

[tesk]

Gmail is the choice here.

I download 4 pop3 accounts through Gmail too and add different labels to them. A central managed email system - for free, even with backups of all your emails. That is great ;)

[whitedragon551]

Do you use Gmail web based or do you use a client?

[GlobalForce]

Don't ask, find comments by pairing with username Devinco - http://www.cotse.net/pricing.html

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Don't ask, find comments by pairing with username Devinco - http://www.cotse.net/pricing.html" }-

Your posts are always off topic and spam. Grow up and GTFO of my thread.

[whitedragon551]

Zimba is a no go. It takes up 200+Mbs just for the install and IMHO a email client should never be that heavy.

[SirPeterPan]

I use Hotmail. I hardly check my e-mail anyways.

[linuxforall]

Gmail via POP in Opera.

[tobacco]

Thunderbird 3 hosting Hotmail (pop3 only), AOL & Google apps (2 addresses) via IMAP. Yahoo a no-go 4 me as i don't get "free pop"

On top of this, i run Comodo Secure Email with my Hotmail account (all email signed and encrypted with receiver key or Comodo generated single use certificate in conjunction with secure web reader service).

[pjb]

I use Gmail IMAP and access it primarily via Thurnderbird 3.
I find it works well for me, and all the folders etc are kept in sync.

[iravgupta]

I believe I have something genuine to contribute here. I have meddled with a lot of email clients paired with Gmail. This pairing can be done in 2 ways - IMAP and POP3. POP3 IMHO is a very outdated(though still widely used) protocol. In this age, absence of sync is not acceptable, though I do understand there are some devices that benefit by this model -like feature-phones with anemic mail clients and stringent data plans, but for a full blown desktop client, POP3 is not advisable by any means. Then comes IMAP. Well, it solves the sync problem, but only to some extent, as it gives rise to another issue - performance. Folder switching is just not smooth, handling of deleted items is a nightmare(especially when paired with Gmail). Thunderbird is improving the IMAP-Gmail performance but its just not there yet. Ditto for Outlook and Opera.
Then there is Windows Live Mail which supports both POP3 and IMAP, along with something else - DeltaSync. You can pair a Windows Live Hotmail account with this client and reap the benefits provided by DeltaSync. Its like features of IMAP coupled with performance of POP3. The common mail client issues are just not there. Folder switch is seamless, full folder sync along with contacts and calender sync. Its really a pleasure to use.
What I have done is turned off junk mail filtering in Gmail, and have set it to forward my all incoming mail to my Hotmail account. At first I was archiving the forwarded mail in Gmail but later found not much value in it. Now I have just set it to forward and delete. Did the same with my yahoo account.
Now the question is what if you want to send a mail using the accounts that are forwarding mails to Hotmail. Well there is a simple solution to that - just add these accounts to Windows Live Mail client via a POP configuration and set them not to auto-fetch. When composing a new mail, you will be able to choose any of the configured accounts for sending out the mail.
This arrangement started out as an experiment for me, in a bid to simplify my growing number of email accounts, and has served me very well over the last 2+ years. If you require more details, just PM me.

[whitedragon551]

Thanks Ravi. So to narrow things down Im looking for something that specializes in IMAP email protocols over the POP3.

Have you ever trialed Mulberry? Its open source, and supposedly specializes in IMAP. The only other one that comes to mind is Thunderbird.

Could you point me in the direction of DeltaSync? I havent been able to find it. All that comes up for me is the DeltaSync protocol.

[GlobalForce]

Ravi - unique. Would you, for the benefit of the community, keep it out here on the forum and define the essentials of implementing this in preferably laymans terms? I'm sure there's more than a few folk that, sadly, won't interact, but nonetheless, find your approach compelling. Nevermind. Closer inspection shows the bases were covered first time around. Thanks for posting.

[Dundertaker]

Same here with Gmail(IMAP). I often use Thunderbird ver3. But it's not skinnable. But it's good.

I also use Gmail(IMAP) in Opera 10.5.1 's Mail. Sometimes a bit faster than Thunderbird ver3.

Am thinking of using Comodo SecureMail (free) with Thunderbird ver3 and Gmail. But have not yet setup.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "I often use Thunderbird ver3. But it's not skinnable." }-

There are themes and 1000's of personas available.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "There are themes and 1000's of personas available." }-
they are super super ugly

i would like to enlarge the size of the fonts in the left panel or at least the icons
thunderbird is great
i use gmail and thunderbird , but the fonts are bloody small:thumbd:

[iravgupta]

Guys, working on a detailed tutorial to achieve what I outlined earlier. Stay tuned.

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "Thanks Ravi. So to narrow things down Im looking for something that specializes in IMAP email protocols over the POP3.

Have you ever trialed Mulberry? Its open source, and supposedly specializes in IMAP. The only other one that comes to mind is Thunderbird.

Could you point me in the direction of DeltaSync? I havent been able to find it. All that comes up for me is the DeltaSync protocol." }-

Indeed, DeltaSync is just the protocol, an alternative to IMAP and POP3. A much superior alternative. The only client that makes use of this protocol is Windows Live Mail. Outlook can also do this but via a MS supplied connector. The only mail service that works using this protocol is Windows Live Hotmail.

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Guys, working on a detailed tutorial to achieve what I outlined earlier. Stay tuned." }-
Sounds good. I have my ISP email and Gmail forwarded to my Hotmail account and also use Windows Live Mail. However, I didn't realize you can have Gmail delete what gets forwarded. Thanks for that tip. I'm also guessing that you have no increase in spam or you wouldn't have turned off spam filtering in Gmail. Personally I find the Hotmail spam filtering to be better than Gmail's, but when I posted that once upon a time on another forum the Gmail fanbois got rather livid ;D

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "Personally I find the Hotmail spam filtering to be better than Gmail's" }-
Yes, there were 2 aspects to this -
1. I was not ready to periodically keep checking the Gmail spam folder for any missed mails. Gmail spam filter is too agressive IMHO.
2. Hotmail is very good at blocking stuff if you take time to send it to Junk rather than deleting it straight away.

Don't really want to turn this into a Gmail vs Hotmail thread at all, but my primary reasons (among a number of others) in setting up this arrangement were
1. The Windows Live Mail client. I am yet to find a more stable and high performance client. This and DeltaSync make an unbeatable combo. Hell knows why MS doesn't advertise it. One good TV spot and this product is IN.
2. I get full email sync along with calender and contacts.
3. I simply cannot use email without reading pane. The new email peek feature in Gmail doesn't cut it for me.
4. The web and client interfaces for Hotmail are consistent, unlike Gmail where you have completely different UI depending on what client you are using.

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Yes, there were 2 aspects to this -
1. I was not ready to periodically keep checking the Gmail spam folder for any missed mails. Gmail spam filter is too agressive IMHO.
2. Hotmail is very good at blocking stuff if you take time to send it to Junk rather than deleting it straight away." }-
I found the setting to have it delete mails that are forwarded, but I can't find anything to turn off the spam filtering. How did you do it? I must be blind this evening ???

[whitedragon551]

Is Windows Live Mail only available for Hotmail emails or can I forward my Gmail there as well and have the same functionality as I would with Thunderbird or Seamonkey?

Also out of curiosity is there some sort of web based spam filtering besides the email clients built in spam filtering? Id like to turn of Gmails spam filtering and supplement with something a bit more accurate.

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Is Windows Live Mail only available for Hotmail emails or can I forward my Gmail there as well and have the same functionality as I would with Thunderbird or Seamonkey?" }-
Windows Live Mail does pop and imap too. You don't have to use a Live/Hotmail account if you prefer not to.

-{ Quote: "Also out of curiosity is there some sort of web based spam filtering besides the email clients built in spam filtering? Id like to turn of Gmails spam filtering and supplement with something a bit more accurate." }-
I've found Hotmail's spam filtering to be very good, more accurate than Gmail. In Gmail I get a good mail in spam once in while (not often) but quite a few obvious spam mails land in the inbox. Most of these get weeded out by Hotmail (I forward Gmail to Hotmail), but every once in a while I have to log in to Gmail to move this stuff to spam and check spam for good mails.

This is the nice part of Ravi's approach of deleting the mail after it's forwarded, then you don't have to log in there and see what went wrong.

I can also recommend Windows Live Mail (the desktop client) either with or without a Live Mail account. Nice thing about using it with Live/Hotmail is (as Ravi already pointed out) the good synchronization of email, contacts and calendar.

[whitedragon551]

Is DeltaSync only compatible with hotmail account?

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Is DeltaSync only compatible with hotmail account?" }-
As far as I know Hotmail is the only one that uses it. Quite a shame actually, because it works very well.

[whitedragon551]

Alright so DeltaSync is out of the question since I use Gmail. Any other alternatives besides Thunderbird I should consider?

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Alright so DeltaSync is out of the question since I use Gmail. Any other alternatives besides Thunderbird I should consider?" }-
Windows Live Mail also does pop and imap, it isn't limited to the DeltaSync protocol. If I was using Gmail as my main or only account I would definitely go with imap, much more practical than pop3.

Mulberry is well-known to be very good with imap. I've never used it myself, but rumour has it that it can be a bit complicated and has tons of settings and features. It is also now open source, it used to be a pay-for app.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Windows Live Mail also does pop and imap, it isn't limited to the DeltaSync protocol. If I was using Gmail as my main or only account I would definitely go with imap, much more practical than pop3.

Mulberry is well-known to be very good with imap. I've never used it myself, but rumour has it that it can be a bit complicated and has tons of settings and features. It is also now open source, it used to be a pay-for app." }-

I tried it out. In full screen mode it was totally messed up. There are 3 panes by default. When it was maximized the top right pane went all the way to the top right corner, the bottom right pane went all the way to the bottom right corner and the pane on the left was centered in the screen with huge gray gaps between and resizing didnt work.

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "I tried it out. In full screen mode it was totally messed up. There are 3 panes by default. When it was maximized the top right pane went all the way to the top right corner, the bottom right pane went all the way to the bottom right corner and the pane on the left was centered in the screen with huge gray gaps between and resizing didnt work." }-
Which one did you try, Mulberry or WLM? Sounds pretty ugly if it's showing up like that.

[whitedragon551]

It was Mulberry.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "Alright so DeltaSync is out of the question since I use Gmail. Any other alternatives besides Thunderbird I should consider?" }-

Just started playin with this in a VM and you might want to check it out. Not open source but free and is very responsive. So far just tested my aol account but IMAP works fine.

http://www.emclient.com/

[whitedragon551]

I saw that during my search to, but didnt pay much attention to it.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Just started playin with this in a VM and you might want to check it out. Not open source but free and is very responsive. So far just tested my aol account but IMAP works fine.

http://www.emclient.com/" }-
It's mentioned in PC mag's best free software of 2010 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361876,00.asp

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Just started playin with this in a VM and you might want to check it out. Not open source but free and is very responsive. So far just tested my aol account but IMAP works fine.

http://www.emclient.com/" }-

How do you like it? Im using TBird v3 right now and its been good so far.

[mantra]

may i ask a question about thunderbird?

i have to install an extension to thunderbird and yahoo mail account, haven't i?


and is there a way to "format" the answer
i mean add
Dear Sir (the name of the sender ,automatically added by thunderbird)
answer

and quote the origianal message

how can i setup thunderbird to customize the answer format
for example a pro answer , i mean a nice format answer
for format i mean a nice template

thanks

sorry for my poor english

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "I found the setting to have it delete mails that are forwarded, but I can't find anything to turn off the spam filtering. How did you do it? I must be blind this evening ???" }-
Sadly there is no on/off switch for Junk mail filter. You have to create a custom filter to achieve this. Below is a screenie of one such filter, it works like a charm.
217217

[mantra]

installed microsoft live mail , and it's free and super ugly :( i like more outlook express
i'm contrite i installed it

for me , thunderbird is a lot better

by the way , nobody can help me?

to configure thunderbird -> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Creating_accounts_in_Thunderbird_for_popular_email_providers

by the way i would like to resolve how to have a nice format in the answer

[kennyboy]

-{ Quote: "Guys, working on a detailed tutorial to achieve what I outlined earlier. Stay tuned." }-


Be very interested in your tutorial when you have time to compose it.

Many Thanks

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "may i ask a question about thunderbird?

i have to install an extension to thunderbird and yahoo mail account, haven't i?" }-

Yes! However, Yahoo only works with paid version or if you get "pop" for free.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Yes! However, Yahoo only works with paid version or if you get "pop" for free." }-
thanks
but outlook express works , strange:wacko:

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "and is there a way to "format" the answer
i mean add
Dear Sir (the name of the sender ,automatically added by thunderbird)
answer

and quote the origianal message

how can i setup thunderbird to customize the answer format
for example a pro answer , i mean a nice format answer
for format i mean a nice template

thanks

sorry for my poor english" }-

Not quite sure about what you mean here. When creating an account, it will ask you how you want your name to look so maybe you could adjust that here. You can set your reply to be "on top" or "below" the quote when replying.

You could maybe achieve what you want with the Wisestamp extension.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Not quite sure about what you mean here. When creating an account, it will ask you how you want your name to look so maybe you could adjust that here. You can set your reply to be "on top" or "below" the quote when replying.

You could maybe achieve what you want with the Wisestamp extension." }-
thanks i will try
i have not extension in my thunderbird outside the calendar , i will install wisestamp
i would like an extension to customize thunderbird , but i guess there is not one
i mean fonts ,icon size above all

what can't understand is why i can send email with an yahoo accout via outlook express but not with thunderbird and i follow a turorial

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "thanks i will try
i have not extension in my thunderbird outside the calendar , i will install wisestamp
i would like an extension to customize thunderbird , but i guess there is not one
i mean fonts ,icon size above all" }-

Not sure - i'll have a look.

-{ Quote: "what can't understand is why i can send email with an yahoo accout via outlook express but not with thunderbird and i follow a turorial" }-

That is strange - it might of been from a previous agreement between those parties.

Do you have "free yahoo or paid" ?? Some countries get "free pop" but not North America so check that. There is also a possible workaround to get free pop by changing your yahoo settings. It works for some but not for me.

[iravgupta]

Guys, version 1 of the aforementioned tutorial is ready for your sweet inspection and suggestions. Find it here -
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
You can provide suggestions/comments on SkyDrive or via PM.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "How do you like it? Im using TBird v3 right now and its been good so far." }-

Well, i've moved it from a VM into Time Freeze on my real system and am going to give it more time. Hasn't been bug free for me (error twice during folder sync) (IMAP) but so far i like it. I still get the occassional errors with Thunderbird 3 too.

To me the IMAP functions seem faster than Thunderbird.

Thunderbird has browsing from your inbox but EM has inbox chat - decisions decisions lol! :D

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Guys, version 1 of the aforementioned tutorial is ready for your sweet inspection and suggestions. Find it here -
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
You can provide suggestions/comments on SkyDrive or via PM." }-
maybe a pdf version could be really better ,so we can print and read
thanks

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "
That is strange - it might of been from a previous agreement between those parties.

Do you have "free yahoo or paid" ?? Some countries get "free pop" but not North America so check that. There is also a possible workaround to get free pop by changing your yahoo settings. It works for some but not for me." }-
about yahoo i have a free account
by the way about wisestamp how can i download & install signature ?
when i click on it , it try to install on my firefox and not in my thunderbird (simply paste & copy doesn't give the same template

and i'm looking for a program that automatically when i reply
add
Dear sir name (<- automatically added by thunderbird
my answer

regards

and a nice quote with details about time , sender and incoming email body


i did not find it
but it's so hard to find an extension or a way to make it
i mean often i send email and i received just like i wanted

->i found this http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/tips#beh_replyheader
but there is not a list of commands sadly

thanks

[iravgupta]

Tutorial in .doc format, to be viewed in Web Layout:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
Tutorial in .pdf format, due to resize, some screenshots have suffered in sharpness:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%202.pdf

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Tutorial in .doc format, to be viewed in Web Layout:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
Tutorial in .pdf format, due to resize, some screenshots have suffered in sharpness:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%202.pdf" }-
wow
thanks
i would love a guide like this for thunderbird

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "wow
thanks" }-

Yes, great job Ravi!

[iravgupta]

Thanks for your appreciation guys. Please feel free to mention if you would like to have some steps illustrated more clearly.

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Sadly there is no on/off switch for Junk mail filter. You have to create a custom filter to achieve this. Below is a screenie of one such filter, it works like a charm.
217217" }-
Thanks, I never would have figured that one out. I also downloaded your tutorial, very nice. Thanks for making it.

[kennyboy]

Thanks Ravi. for the tutorial. Will study it when I have time, and maybe have more questions if that is ok with you.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "about yahoo i have a free account
by the way about wisestamp how can i download & install signature ?
when i click on it , it try to install on my firefox and not in my thunderbird" }-

You need to save it to your hard drive and then install it through thunderbird "addons"

As far as the rest sorry, i'm not sure. This is what i do.

Click reply. I have the quote set below my reply. Then i add my signature and hit enter a few times to give it some space and then begin my writing.

It then gets sent encrypted (their key) or with a single use comodo certificate and has to be retrieved from comodo's secure web reader service.

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "Thanks Ravi. for the tutorial. Will study it when I have time, and maybe have more questions if that is ok with you." }-
You are most welcome.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Tutorial in .doc format, to be viewed in Web Layout:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
Tutorial in .pdf format, due to resize, some screenshots have suffered in sharpness:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%202.pdf" }-
really great tutorials
but windows live skylive is a free service?

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "really great tutorials
but windows live skylive is a free service?" }-
Yes, 25 GB of free storage. You just need to have a Windows Live ID.

[whitedragon551]

Ive been using eMClient for a few days. I like it alot. I think it has the slight edge over Thunderbird. One thing that irritates me is that in FF you use the middle mouse button to scroll down. In eMClient Id like to have the same thing for the main message window, but cant seem to find it or its not there.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Yes, 25 GB of free storage. You just need to have a Windows Live ID." }-
do you mean/need w7?

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "do you mean/need w7?" }-


No - you need a hotmail or live account.

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "do you mean/need w7?" }-
The steps to get a Windows Live ID are present in the beginning of the tutorial.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Ive been using eMClient for a few days. I like it alot. I think it has the slight edge over Thunderbird." }-
I'm just wondering if you've stuck with eMClient or not?

[whitedragon551]

Im still using it, but Ive found a few hiccups. If I leave it running to long it cant connect to my Gmail account. Why do you ask?

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Im still using it, but Ive found a few hiccups. If I leave it running to long it cant connect to my Gmail account. Why do you ask?" }-Thanks for answering. I ask because I'll be getting a new computer soon (a 64 bit) and I was looking at using eMClient or perhaps Thunderbird on the new system.

[whitedragon551]

Ah. Its a very nice piece of software. It doesnt offer as much customizing as Thunderbird does, but its pretty quick with IMAP.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "Ah. Its a very nice piece of software. It doesnt offer as much customizing as Thunderbird does, but its pretty quick with IMAP." }-

And the free version is limited to only 2 accounts.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "And the free version is limited to only 2 accounts." }-

True, but thats easily fixed. Forward all your mail accounts to a single account that offers IMAP access and use that account as your default in eMClient.

[The Hammer]

A friend of mine suggested this one which is apparently known in Linux world. They now have a windows version. http://www.dipconsultants.com/evolution/

[whitedragon551]

It looks nice. Ive used it in Ubuntu. Ill have to give it a try on Windows and compare the two.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "may i ask a question about thunderbird?

i have to install an extension to thunderbird and yahoo mail account, haven't i?


and is there a way to "format" the answer
i mean add
Dear Sir (the name of the sender ,automatically added by thunderbird)
answer

and quote the origianal message

how can i setup thunderbird to customize the answer format
for example a pro answer , i mean a nice format answer
for format i mean a nice template

thanks

sorry for my poor english" }-

Mantra

I have been playin with DreamMail - http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/windows/DreamMail-Review-60302.shtml in a VM with PGP Desktop and they work fine together.

Thought you would be interested to know that it has not only lots of stationary to select from but also "Templates". The default template was displaying 'Hi (display name)' and would finish with my email address and date and time. You can configure these templates to display whatever you want when clicking the "compose button".

Only negative is POP3 support only. No IMAP.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Mantra

I have been playin with DreamMail - http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/windows/DreamMail-Review-60302.shtml in a VM with PGP Desktop and they work fine together.

Thought you would be interested to know that it has not only lots of stationary to select from but also "Templates". The default template was displaying 'Hi (display name)' and would finish with my email address and date and time. You can configure these templates to display whatever you want when clicking the "compose button".

Only negative is POP3 support only. No IMAP." }-

thanks seems cool!:thumb:
thank you it's open source ,isn't it
i guess they will add the imap soon

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "
thanks seems cool!:thumb:
thank you it's open source ,isn't it
i guess they will add the imap soon" }-

I'm just learning about it myself so can't help you on many questions yet. I just remembered you were looking for a client with template features and DreamMail seemed to fit that bill. I think it's a Chinese program with english language support fairly recent but their main product page is still in chinese which is why i posted that other link.

[TOMxEU]

Google Mail Checker Plus (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gffjhibehnempbkeheiccaincokdjbfe) - I have recently found this extension for Chrome and it is all I ever wanted. I see, how many emails I have, I can mark them as - read, delete, spam or archive, I can also read them from menu and click on links inside them, openning attachments does not work though. Clicking on it will with no new emails will open webmail.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "Google Mail Checker Plus (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gffjhibehnempbkeheiccaincokdjbfe) - I have recently found this extension for Chrome and it is all I ever wanted. I see, how many emails I have, I can mark them as - read, delete, spam or archive, I can also read them from menu and click on links inside them, openning attachments does not work though. Clicking on it will with no new emails will open webmail." }-

Use this for quick checking and reading of emails - http://www.poppeeper.com/ Works with all the web based accounts as well.

[TOMxEU]

I used POP Peeper before as well as Windows Live Email, they are just too slow compared to my current favorite, 1 sec and 1 click to read - 1 sec and 1 click to delete. ;)

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "I used POP Peeper before as well as Windows Live Email, they are just too slow compared to my current favorite, 1 sec and 1 click to read - 1 sec and 1 click to delete.
;)" }-

What happens if your working from your desktop with your browser closed? ;) ;)

[TOMxEU]

If I work on something (like games, office and so on), I do not want to be bothered. :)

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "If I work on something (like games, office and so on), I do not want to be bothered. :)" }-

Nice try escaping but not good enough :P

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "It looks nice. Ive used it in Ubuntu. Ill have to give it a try on Windows and compare the two." }-
So what do you think of Evolution Mail so far?

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "So what do you think of Evolution Mail so far?" }-

I have been so busy with school I havent had time to install it yet. To be honest Im pretty content with eMClient.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I have been so busy with school I havent had time to install it yet. To be honest Im pretty content with eMClient." }-
Ok thanks. When my new machine arrives I may give Evolution a try.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "A friend of mine suggested this one which is apparently known in Linux world. They now have a windows version. http://www.dipconsultants.com/evolution/" }-

I was about to give this a try, but 105Mbs at download for an email client is absurd. ::) After that its nearly 500Mbs after installation.

Its extremely buggy. I wouldnt waste my time if I were you until it gets further into development.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I was about to give this a try, but 105Mbs at download for an email client is absurd. ::) After that its nearly 500Mbs after installation.

Its extremely buggy. I wouldnt waste my time if I were you until it gets further into development." }-
Thanks for the warning. How did you find out about the buggy aspect?

[whitedragon551]

I actually installed it to test it out. Thats how I know it went from a 105Mb download to 500Mbs installed. :o For an email client to take up half a gig of space is just baffling to me.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "I was about to give this a try, but 105Mbs at download for an email client is absurd. ::) After that its nearly 500Mbs after installation.
" }-

Well, it isn't email client. It's a groupware client (MS Exchange, calendars etc.) That said, I never liked the thing on Linux either. I'd rather suggest Claws Mail for Windows (http://www.claws-mail.org/win32/) - that's the non-bloated very good email client mostly used on Linux.

[Bob D]

-{ Quote: "...I'd rather suggest Claws Mail for Windows (http://www.claws-mail.org/win32/) - that's the non-bloated very good email client.." }-10.3 Mb DL.
Or the even lighter Sylpheed http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ 6.4 Mb DL.
Shares lineage with Claws Mail. I run them both. Both capably handle IMAP.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I actually installed it to test it out. Thats how I know it went from a 105Mb download to 500Mbs installed. :o For an email client to take up half a gig of space is just baffling to me." }-
Sorry to ask so many questions but how do those numbers compare with eMClient?

[The Hammer]

What's the difference between ThunderBird 3 British and US versions? http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Sorry to ask so many questions but how do those numbers compare with eMClient?" }-

The eMClient is 41Mbs after install. Thunderbird is 32.3Mbs. Im using Thunderbird for the time being since I dont get the IMAP error I get with eMClient. If I leave eMClient on to long IMAP access gives an error saying it cant be accessed.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "The eMClient is 41Mbs after install. Thunderbird is 32.3Mbs. Im using Thunderbird for the time being since I dont get the IMAP error I get with eMClient. If I leave eMClient on to long IMAP access gives an error saying it cant be accessed." }-
It sounds like Thunderbird is less problematic than eMclient or Evolution.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "It sounds like Thunderbird is less problematic than eMclient or Evolution." }-

So far for me it has been, but I havent tested Sylpheed or Claws.

EDIT- Claws is nice, but I cant find the option to minimize to the tray. To me that is a must have feature.

Sylpheed offers the minimize to tray, but doesnt offer themes from what I can tell. However its very light. Weighs in at 10Mbs of RAM, and after install expands to 23.3Mbs on disk.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Gmail is the choice here.

I download 4 pop3 accounts through Gmail too and add different labels to them. A central managed email system - for free, even with backups of all your emails. That is great ;)" }-
Could I backup my emails in Windows Live Mail?

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "
Have you contacted support at eMClient?

[Ibrad]

I am kinda being forced to find a new email client now. I had been using webmail @hotmail but after the latest changes it will not work on my machine with my Firefox. So I guess tonight I will be downloading Windows Live Mail. I liked webmail because I could check it on any machines. I used Outlook for a time but after it downloads all my mail I can't view it on webmail. If I remember correctly Windows Live Mails lets you keep the main on the hotmail servers so I can still use webmail on other machines.

[iravgupta]

-{ Quote: "If I remember correctly Windows Live Mails lets you keep the main on the hotmail servers so I can still use webmail on other machines." }-
Yes, thats exactly how it is meant to be used.

[Ibrad]

Thats is 100% what a I need....if Microsoft does not make any more fixes to hotmail by tommorow night I guess I will be downloading it.

[The Hammer]

Any way to back up your Windows Live Mail emails?

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Any way to back up your Windows Live Mail emails?" }-
All you have to do is copy the storage folder. I moved that to the documents folder on another partition, so when I back up that, my mail folder gets backed up at the same time. This will also backup your settings, contacts, etc. If you ever have to re-install it you just change the storage folder to the old one you have (or a backup of that) and you'll get a popup that says the folder isn't empty, do you want to use the data in it. Click yes and then all you have to do is enter your password again.

[iravgupta]

And here's how you should go about it -
218265

[The Hammer]

Thanks Johnny123 and ravi16aug.8)

[The Hammer]

I settled on Windows live Mail and have been using it for a while now. Just two problems. First I have to figure out how to import my contacts from Outlook, the Office 2000 version into WLM. Secondly I had to disable monitoring of out going mail in Avira Premium because the Mailguard was blocking them. The reason as follows: "TLS connection detected. Sending of this email blocked". "You are using a TLS encrypted connection on the standard port to send emails. Mailguard is not able to scan these encrypted connections for viruses and unwanted programs. The connection will be terminated". Avira further advises to disable monitoring of outgoing emails (STMP) by mailguard. For me the outgoing scan is no big deal.

[iravgupta]

I don't have much experience with Outlook 2000, but you can check for a way to export contacts in CSV or .XLS format. Later you can import those in WLM.
As far as scanning goes, Avira categorically denies being able to scan emails that are recieved/sent using encrypted protocols, irrespective of the email client being used. I believe currently only avast!, eset, AVG and Kaspersky allow that.
Which email service are you using in WLM?

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "I settled on Windows live Mail and have been using it for a while now. Just two problems. First I have to figure out how to import my contacts from Outlook, the Office 2000 version into WLM. " }-
Open up the Contacts window and then try File>Import. I don't have Outlook installed but the choices listed in mine are the .wab file, a .vcf file, the Outlook address book, address book for the current Windows user or a .csv file. In the main window Import only appears to be able to import emails.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I don't have much experience with Outlook 2000, but you can check for a way to export contacts in CSV or .XLS format. Later you can import those in WLM.
As far as scanning goes, Avira categorically denies being able to scan emails that are recieved/sent using encrypted protocols, irrespective of the email client being used. I believe currently only avast!, eset, AVG and Kaspersky allow that.
Which email service are you using in WLM?" }-
A friend of mine imported the contacts for me. Not sure what you mean by email service. Are you asking who my ISP is?

[whitedragon551]

The latest build of Thunderbird has been giving me enormous issues. Any I should consider with the security in my sig? Possibly something is incompatible.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "The latest build of Thunderbird has been giving me enormous issues. Any I should consider with the security in my sig? Possibly something is incompatible." }-

What issues??? ?

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Sending of message failed.
Unable to open the temporary file C:\Users\[myname here]\AppData\Local\Temp\nsmail.tmp. Check your 'Temporary Directory' setting." }-

Already did the fix in their database. It happens after I send a message, then I have to do their fix just to send another one.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "Already did the fix in their database. It happens after I send a message, then I have to do their fix just to send another one." }-

That sucks - hope that is fixed soon!

[whitedragon551]

I wont know as Im switching. Im going to go through Office Outlook 2007 tomorrow morning before work.

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "I wont know as Im switching" }-

Me too :D

Now moving to Trulymail which has it's own client that you can also add your other email accounts to - http://trulymail.com/

[whitedragon551]

Ive got Outlook 2007 configured for the most part, but there are a few things that I cant seem to figure out.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=280091

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "Sounds good. I have my ISP email and Gmail forwarded to my Hotmail account and also use Windows Live Mail. However, I didn't realize you can have Gmail delete what gets forwarded. Thanks for that tip. I'm also guessing that you have no increase in spam or you wouldn't have turned off spam filtering in Gmail. Personally I find the Hotmail spam filtering to be better than Gmail's, but when I posted that once upon a time on another forum the Gmail fanbois got rather livid ;D" }-
Same here. Hotmail account is my primary email, Gmail is only for 'junk' emails.
MS did a great job with latest update Hotmail service and Wave 4 :thumb:

[Triple Helix]

Outlook 2010 with 5 email addresses and Hotmail web mail! :o

TH

[Creer]

I forgot mention... I use Windows Live Mail.

[wearetheborg]

Well this sucks....noone uses GPG for email encyrption?:(
Or paid email providers?

I use Lavabit (paid); they have one way encyrption so once the email is stored in their servers it cannot be accessed by anyone without the users password.
Lavabit also offers a free account without encryption.

I gather Eumx.net also offers good email services, but only paid.

[Creer]

Good point wearetheborg, I'm also curious how many wilders use paid email services.
Remember that both providers (Hotmail and Gmail) offer paid email accounts (Hotmail Plus for example). So far I use free email account.

[tobacco]

This is a long winded post :P but i've spent alot of time looking into this area and if your the least bit concerned about email security, hacking and privacy, these are my 2 choices "beyond the best solution which is using outlook or thunderbird and open pgp(example - GPG4Win) to exchange all email".

Free:

TrulyMail - http://trulymail.com/Features.aspx

Email client which performs (automatic encryption and decryption client side with private key also stored client side)public/private key encryption between trulymail users using encrypted servers. Can also setup regular email accounts (gmail, hotmail, aol, etc) and send/receive regular email with the added benefit of sending regular email as an "encrypted package" (both parties need the trulymail client to verify ownership of regular email addresses by authenticating with a verify code). The encrypted package is decrypted clientside with the private key(encrypted with the receivers public key before transmission) sent from the trulymail servers.

The easiest way to understand the security involved here is to read some info i received from trulymail support which is talking about regular email sent as an encrypted package and then trulymail messages and i will quote:

-{ Quote: "Basically, the package itself is encrypted with a synchronous key but that synchronous key is encrypted with a public key (first the server's public key and then the recipient's public key). The TrulyMail server has the key but never the package.

When sending encrypted TrulyMail messages, the server has the package but not the key
" }-


Paid:

CryptoHeaven - http://www.cryptoheaven.com/

Encrypted Mail
Encrypted Storage
Encrypted Chat

Price: Starts at $7.99/month or $66.00/year = $5.50/month us dollars and increase the more amount of storage you require.

Email client for cryptoheaven public/private key accounts (all email between cryptoheaven users are automatically encrypted/decrypted client side and stored on encrypted servers). Users have the choice of storing their private key "client side" or if they travel alot without their computer, "server side"

Cannot setup other accounts in the client to "send from" but can forward other email account's mail "receive"to your cryptoheaven account. The good part here is that all regular mail (plain text) received to your cryptoheaven account is automatically encrypted with the user's public key when they hit the server and then automatically decrypted when downloaded into the client.

I'm sure i missed something :wacko:

Edit:

Yes, i did - cryptoheaven mail sent to a non cryptoheaven user can be sent encrypted and decrypted by the receiver by inserting a password/answer (pre-shared or answer they will know to a question) you provide right in the email itself.

[Rilla927]

@wearetheborg

Thanks for the mention of lavabit. I'm checking them out.

[wearetheborg]

-{ Quote: "@wearetheborg

Thanks for the mention of lavabit. I'm checking them out." }-


Sure.
I have been using them for 4 years or so, quite happy with them. They have had some downtime (maybe 5 days or so in total, over a period of 4 years). But thats it.

Super simple interface, but it works.

A nice thing is that they have IMAP, so you can transfer/backup all your mail from any other email provider by first downloading to Thunderbird, then copy pasting into Lavabit account.

If you want multiple email account, eumx.net is also quite good (but they dont have a free account)

[whitedragon551]

Outlook isnt very friendly. Ever since installing it Ive been getting random system lags and the only thing Ive changed is my email client.

Any others that are similar to TB/Outlook?

[Rilla927]

@wearetheborg

I really like the idea of the one way encryption. Do they mean if your password was compromised by a hacker they couldn't read your email since it's encrypted. I'm hoping I understand this correctly. I shot off a email to them about storage limit but didn't think at the time to ask about the encryption.

[whitedragon551]

Im pretty set on TheBat. Lots of customization, light weight, fast, plugins for spam and virus filtering, etc.

[wearetheborg]

-{ Quote: "@wearetheborg

I really like the idea of the one way encryption. Do they mean if your password was compromised by a hacker they couldn't read your email since it's encrypted. I'm hoping I understand this correctly. I shot off a email to them about storage limit but didn't think at the time to ask about the encryption." }-

No, if your password is compromised, then the hacker can read your emails. But if their servers are compromised, if a hacker gets hold of the data on their servers, she cannot decrypt the data (your emails).

In gmail etc, your emails are stored in plaintext on googles servers, so anyone who gets access to the servers can read the emails. Lavabit is ensuring that if the breach is on their end, your emails will be unreadable to the hacker. It could be a disgruntled employee, or the govt asking for all emails 5 years down the line etc; with lavabit, your emails are secure against all this. They say even they cannot read your emails once its on their servers.

The first email you get after signing up is actually not to lose your password ;D

Their storage limit is on their home page:
http://lavabit.com/

[tobacco]

There's also a recent thread on secure email services you can read through here - http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=279029

[Rilla927]

@wearetheborg

Thanks for clarifying that. It looks like the limit is on a day to day basis; at least that's what their site says.

I don't see a real address or phone# for lavabit, do you? If so, that makes me suspicious.

@tobacco

Thanks for that link. I'm checking it out also.

[tobacco]

YW Rilla

If your looking for some security, avoid the free lavabit account as i learned from opening one that it's just a basic account with non of the security features associated with paid accounts.

For a free flexible client and mail service with security features, it's hard to top Trulymail.

[Rilla927]

I was looking at the Premuim account at lavabit. I need unlimited storage.

I will look at Trulymail and let you know whats up.

[whitedragon551]

I loved TheBat however I had a slight issue I couldnt trouble shoot and it had to go. PopPeeper is what Im currently using. I have one more quirk to work out and we shall see if this one is a keeper.

[Rilla927]

Does anyone know a email Program (or webmail) that supports virtual folders? The only one I found is Thunderbird.

[wearetheborg]

-{ Quote: "@wearetheborg

Thanks for clarifying that. It looks like the limit is on a day to day basis; at least that's what their site says.

I don't see a real address or phone# for lavabit, do you? If so, that makes me suspicious.

" }-

Their premium account has 8GB storage limit in total, with 8192 messages/day total.

Yup, I dont see a phone number/email address either.
But they have been around for a while, and many people have used them.

More knowledgeable folk at http://www.emaildiscussions.com/

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone know a email Program (or webmail) that supports virtual folders? The only one I found is Thunderbird." }-

TheBat supports virtual folders and I believe IMP Webmail does as well.

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php
http://www.horde.org/imp/

[Rilla927]

Thanks whitedragon,

I forgot about the bat. I like this program.

[whitedragon551]

I love it, but Im having an issue with it. Its browser related.

If my default browser is set to Firefox I get an error saying that there is an error sending the command to the application.

If I change my default browser to IE or IEx64 the error message goes away. There has to be some sort of little quirk with Firefox.

I think I just solved my issue. I think it was related to default program associations. Within Windows Default Programs you can choose to associate a file type or program with a specified program of your choice. xhtml was associated with IE. I changed that to Firefox default and the issue appears to be gone.

[Rilla927]

I use firefox also, thanks for the heads up.

[whitedragon551]

Not a problem. I couldnt find the answer anywhere online to my specific problem so I was forced to troubleshoot myself.

[Rilla927]

Was it you that tried eM Client?

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Was it you that tried eM Client?" }-

Sure was. I liked it except it kept disconnecting from GMails pop and smtp servers so I would have to close the client and restart it just to check emails. It grew old so I ditched it for Thunderbird. I was having a good time with Thunderbird until a few days ago. Now Im back to TheBat which was the first one I used in the first place.

[Rilla927]

I installed it and been having a hell of a time to get it to work with my zoho account. I have all the info needed from zoho site as far as incoming and outgoing server etc and it will not work. Zoho uses SSL.

I have checked out every possible free programs and there is one reason or another why I can't use it or just don't like it. My two picks I found that I liked is Foxmail and Dreammail but a lot people were complaining that it was phoning home constantly in China.

I installed Thunderbird last night and when I opened the program it just freezes. You can't even setup a account. So I ditched it.

I haven't installed the bat yet to see how well it works on my system. I have to check to see if it has a evaluation period.

I went to the emClient forum and you have 5 employees for over 600 threads.

Edit:

Has anyone ever heard of Fusemail? You get 100 Gig of storage per mailbox for $10.00 a month.

/www.fusemail.com/email-hosting

[whitedragon551]

Id personally go with Gmail or another more well known provider.

[whitedragon551]

I just ran across QMAIL3 for a new email client.

Looks to be very light and basic.

http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2311&Itemid=1

[Rilla927]

Remember I couldn't get my zoho account to work with eMClient so I installed Poco Mail and it works fine. You my as well say there is no support for eMClient unless you have the paid version.

Thanks for the link though.

[whitedragon551]

Im not familiar with Zoho. Maybe you have to go into your account and enable IMAP or POP. I know you have to do that with Gmail. Those features arent enabled by default.

[Rilla927]

Zoho is now working through Poco Mail. Very straight forward, nice little proggie.

[whitedragon551]

Back to eMClient. The new version seems to have the issues fixed. Ill be testing it out over the next few days to see how things go. If all goes well Ill be getting rid of TheBat. I still cant seem to troubleshoot the random error message Im getting with it.

[Rilla927]

Did you try their forum?

[molhopicante]

i put the question in other thread but i think here's the right place:

-{ Quote: "I will change my OS (Windows XP to Windows 7).

As Ootlook Express is not supported by W7, i need a substitute.

I don´t like Windows Live Mail. (Hate it)

I tried Thunderbird but i don´t like it either.

May you sugest an eMail client the most identical possible to OE?

Thanks.

PS:
I wondered abot Outlook but i have lots of messages in OE and i think Outlook can't support all the messages i have in it." }-

[whitedragon551]

In my experience Outlook 2007 is bloated and slow. You should be able to export messages. I know for a fact eMClient will take OE email imports.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Tutorial in .doc format, to be viewed in Web Layout:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
Tutorial in .pdf format, due to resize, some screenshots have suffered in sharpness:
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%202.pdf" }-
may i ask a question ?


is live mail dead or is still developed?

thanks

[Creer]

Hi mantra,

WLM is one of the part of Windows Live Essentials and it's still developement as you can see - the latest beta refresh from mid August:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windowslive/archive/2010/08/17/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-refresh.aspx

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Hi mantra,

WLM is one of the part of Windows Live Essentials and it's still developement as you can see - the latest beta refresh from mid August:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windowslive/archive/2010/08/17/windows-live-essentials-2011-beta-refresh.aspx" }-

thanks a lot

i google it for some info (like import account, contacts and so on)
and i read it's a dead software without updates
maybe it was the vista version or i did not get well the article

[Creer]

Probably it was about Vista version.
"Windows Live Mail" is a successor of well known as built-in e-mail client in Vista OS - "Windows Mail".

[whitedragon551]

eMClient seems to have been fixed since the last issue I have. Ive been using it for over a week with no hiccups.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "eMClient seems to have been fixed since the last issue I have. Ive been using it for over a week with no hiccups." }-
may i ask a question ?
about a new free yahoo account

does it work with an email client?
or to use an email client i have to pay € .. at year?

thanks

[tobacco]

-{ Quote: "may i ask a question ?
about a new free yahoo account

does it work with an email client?
or to use an email client i have to pay € .. at year?

thanks" }-

Through my experience, i have found only 2 ways to access my free yahoo account from my computer without the use of a browser:

POP Peeper - http://www.poppeeper.com/

Zimbra Desktop (owned by Yahoo) - http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop.html

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Probably it was about Vista version.
"Windows Live Mail" is a successor of well known as built-in e-mail client in Vista OS - "Windows Mail"." }-
Yep, and Windows Mail was the successor to the older Outlook Express that came with Windows for many years..

[SirPeterPan]

Currently using the latest version of Windows Live Mail with my Hotmail account.

The combination now has pretty much all I need.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Not quite sure about what you mean here. When creating an account, it will ask you how you want your name to look so maybe you could adjust that here. You can set your reply to be "on top" or "below" the quote when replying.

You could maybe achieve what you want with the Wisestamp extension." }-
hi
herere http://wisestamp.com/goodies/signature-examples/official-look-signature-template/ there is a cool template

how can i install on thunderbird and change the name and other info?

i would like to install this template and customize with my info

can i do it?

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Guys, version 1 of the aforementioned tutorial is ready for your sweet inspection and suggestions. Find it here -
http://cid-376e88796938f9ec.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public%20Documents/Windows%20Live%20Mail%20V%201.doc
You can provide suggestions/comments on SkyDrive or via PM." }-
hi
may i ask a question?
is there a way to use imap yahoo without a thirdy software or a at least a freeware?

[korben]

@zoho users

since they introduced the new uber-cool apps left side feature it's become very slow - any ways to make it go back to the way it was previously?

[whitedragon551]

Ill be trialling Windows Live Mail 2011 in the next few days.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Ill be trialling Windows Live Mail 2011 in the next few days." }-
Live Mail is pretty good, but I found the 2011 version a bit buggy compared to the older one. I'll wait till they clean it up a little before trying it again.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Live Mail is pretty good, but I found the 2011 version a bit buggy compared to the older one. I'll wait till they clean it up a little before trying it again." }-
Running smooth for me.