blog with multiple antivirus video reviews and tests

[simisg]

http://infomars.fr/WordPress/peghorse/

[PC__Gamer]

-{ Quote: "http://infomars.fr/WordPress/peghorse/" }-
videos and blog that aint even in english,

.... awesome ::)

[simisg]

from France......

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "from France......" }-

Do you want fry's with that. :o

[Mack Jones]

This page is ~Phrase removed~ , complete nonsense at all.
He's just trying to test fresh active malwares (always different samples for each test :dry: ) and conclude how the engine performs with only very few infected links...

Biaised methodology gives biaised results.
Simply useless.

:ouch:


Hell is full of good meanings and wishings

[Dark_Hanzo]

-{ Quote: "
He's just trying to test fresh active malwares (always different samples for each test :dry: ) and conclude how the engine performs with only very few infected links...
" }-
Most of the av reviewers, who post their reviews on youtube (e.g. Matt and Languy99), have similar methodologies.

[progress]

-{ Quote: "from France......" }-

I think most of the wilders members don't speak French :(

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: "Most of the av reviewers, who post their reviews on youtube (e.g. Matt and Languy99), have similar methodologies." }-Of equal or greater amateurish ineptitude?

[Dark_Hanzo]

-{ Quote: "Of equal or greater amateurish ineptitude?" }-
I had to look up the dictionary for the word "ineptitude" ;D. Anyway, sure those video reviews are made in an unprofessional way, but they are fun to watch.

[PC__Gamer]

-{ Quote: "I had to look up the dictionary for the word "ineptitude" ;D. Anyway, sure those video reviews are made in an unprofessional way, but they are fun to watch." }-
sure - with mute :)

in all honesty, i find his opinions laughable.

best of the paid-for:

Bullguard?
Nuwavesoft?

worst of the paid-for:

avast
Drweb
Nod32
mcafee
panda 2010
norton 2010


seriously, he must be having a laugh....

[smage]

Hi
Please spend some time watching the reviews before drawing conclusions.

The Mcafee review is GREAT!
This shows that tthe on-demand tests of AV-C are getting more and more meaningless.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Hi
Please spend some time watching the reviews before drawing conclusions.

The Mcafee review is GREAT!
This shows that tthe on-demand tests of AV-C are getting more and more meaningless." }-

Or it simply shows lack of ether how to use the product or how to test it. Also Dynamic tests done by AV-C show a completely different view and are alot more reliable then this garbage. But hey that's just my view.

[smage]

-{ Quote: "Or it simply shows lack of ether how to use the product or how to test it. Also Dynamic tests done by AV-C show a completely different view and are alot more reliable then this garbage. But hey that's just my view." }-


No but how are the reviews flawed?

I agree that they cannot be used to to compare products but if you take them individually, a product which is not able to protect a system against 15 urls cannot be considered as a good product.

Moreover he says that he is testing the proactive side of antivirus and thus he uses new samples of which many are rogues, that is why many AVs are not doing well.

There is something that amazes me in AV-C dynamic tests, I find that the AVs are doing too well in these tests. If you go to malware domain list and try out 10 new urls so many will fail to block the malware, so how are they doing so well in AV-C?
Also in his tests he used some 10-20 urls and some antivirus got terminated by malware, so how did AV-C test these antivirus with 100 samples?
Besides in his tests, he tends to be using default settings for the products, that's why AVs like Avira did not perform as expected.

Some may be surprised that NIS 2010 did so badly but this is because it was NIS 2010 Beta, so I want to know why are you people dismissing the tests so quickly?

[progress]

-{ Quote: "
This shows that tthe on-demand tests of AV-C are getting more and more meaningless." }-

I agree, on-demand tests are obsolete ... ::)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "No but how are the reviews flawed?

I agree that they cannot be used to to compare products but if you take them individually, a product which is not able to protect a system against 15 urls cannot be considered as a good product.

Moreover he says that he is testing the proactive side of antivirus and thus he uses new samples of which many are rogues, that is why many AVs are not doing well.

There is something that amazes me in AV-C dynamic tests, I find that the AVs are doing too well in these tests. If you go to malware domain list and try out 10 new urls so many will fail to block the malware, so how are they doing so well in AV-C?
Also in his tests he used some 10-20 urls and some antivirus got terminated by malware, so how did AV-C test these antivirus with 100 samples?
Besides in his tests, he tends to be using default settings for the products, that's why AVs like Avira did not perform as expected.

Some may be surprised that NIS 2010 did so badly but this is because it was NIS 2010 Beta, so I want to know why are you people dismissing the tests so quickly?" }-


Sorry but throwing 15 random url's from wannabemalwaretester(dot)com is proving nothing about a product. People that test products this way and think they are testing Zero day malware are only kidding them self's.

As for AV-Corp I do not pretend to know what virus they test against in dynamic testing. That is more left to IBK if he wish's to post, But trying to compare this slop to a real Anti-Virus testing co-op that is one non-profit and has a reputation in the industry shows complete lack understanding of how testing is done and carried out.

As for dismissing the test so easily, Why not ? There is many other reliable sources to check tests if you want why not check with one that has been doing it for awhile instead of Joeblow off the street with to much time on his hands ?

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "... so I want to know why are you people dismissing the tests so quickly?" }-

For me, it's because too many of these "tests" are cropping up and when you compare the results as a whole, the AV's rankings are all over the place.

[smage]

-{ Quote: "Sorry but throwing 15 random url's from wannabemalwaretester(dot)com is proving nothing about a product. People that test products this way and think they are testing Zero day malware are only kidding them self's.
" }-

Hi thanks for the explanation.
But if a product has good proactive protection, should it not be able to protect agains these samples? If a user got redirected to any of these sites, he would expect his AV to protect him.

-{ Quote: "
As for AV-Corp I do not pretend to know what virus they test against in dynamic testing. That is more left to IBK if he wish's to post, But trying to compare this slop to a real Anti-Virus testing co-op that is one non-profit and has a reputation in the industry shows complete lack understanding of how testing is done and carried out.
" }-

Yes AV-C is an independent and professional organisation sponsored by AV companies, so it cannot be compared to these amateur tests. But the results of AV-C can be quite misleading at times. Look at Mcafee for example, with its Artemis technology it started to perform quite well in AV-C on demand tests, so had there not been the dynamic tests which they only introduced last year, people would have thought that they will be protected by using Mcafee on their machine.

P.S: If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it(Margaret Fuller).

-{ Quote: "
As for dismissing the test so easily, Why not ? There is many other reliable sources to check tests if you want why not check with one that has been doing it for awhile instead of Joeblow off the street with to much time on his hands ?" }-

For dynamic tests, I know of only 2 reliable sources: AV-C and AV Test.
What I do not understand is why his reviews are dismissed while those of Matt and Languy99 are not?

Hmm now I understand it well, people do not agree with his tests because he has used them to classify products into best and worst.

[Mack Jones]

-{ Quote: "sure - with mute :)

in all honesty, i find his opinions laughable.

best of the paid-for:

Bullguard?
Nuwavesoft?

worst of the paid-for:

avast
Drweb
Nod32
mcafee
panda 2010
norton 2010


seriously, he must be having a laugh...." }-


It's not what he says about A or B but the way he do. :shifty:

[Mack Jones]

-{ Quote: "I agree, on-demand tests are obsolete ... ::)" }-

That's why there are proactive tests ;)

[Mack Jones]

-{ Quote: "For me, it's because too many of these "tests" are cropping up and when you compare the results as a whole, the AV's rankings are all over the place." }-

Wise sentence my friend :thumb:

for further details, we can read again this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

Once again, the sample size is the key.

Cheers,
MJ

[Mack Jones]

-{ Quote: "Hi thanks for the explanation.
But if a product has good proactive protection, should it not be able to protect agains these samples? If a user got redirected to any of these sites, he would expect his AV to protect him." }-

No. It's a matter of statistics.
Say A detects 70% of infected links and B 50%.
If you choose 10 links, that does mean A would stop 7 and B 5. Here is the margin of error I spoke earlier.

Let's take a example:
Ten infected links:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

A detects 1 from 7 and B 6 to 10 (remember 70% and 50%).
If you choose links 1 3 6 7 and 10, product A detects now 3 of 10 samples and product B 3 too. Both products detects 50% of infected URLs.
If you choose now links 2 6 8 9 10, A detects only 2 sample and B 4.
What's wrong ?

Your sample size is too short.
In fact, you could not be sure to be protected more by product A if you try with few samples. In some cases, that'll be true, in some others, false.

-> Statiscally, product A will be better is you reduce the margin error, the sample size in fact.
-> Statistically, Peghorse's results may be inverse with the next 15 infected links he could try.

Never forget AV science is also statistical science...but not only :)

[PegHorse]

Ha Ha Ha, YOU ARE ALL HILLARIOUS !
- You don't speak French
- You can't understand French
- So, you are not able to UNDERSTAND what i'm doing in my blog, all is explained, the reasons, what i'm doing etc...

And what i heard from my fans right now ???
That here in WILDERSSECURITY, people are flaming in my back, saying ~ snip ~ without knowing ? Don't you have better things to do in your life ?

~ snip ~

Fine, that's said too.

My job is not to do as everyone do.
All testing sites use always same protocol and same judgement, my job is not to provide this.
In fact, i'm testing all products with LATEST FRESH malwares, Trojans, Rogues that i can find in the day or the evening, so most of them are not in Database yet, and that's what i'm looking for, to see if the Antivirus vendor which ALL are claiming to fight unknown threats what they have in their tools to Kill them.

With all of tests we can see indeed, that most of them are liers, most are based to their database and Heuristic which are rarely works.

So, the goal of all of my videos and my methodology is to harass Security products with latest and newest threats as possible. That's why, i can't test all products with same threats because its taking too much times by encoding video, enhance sounds, sending them and etc... If i would take always same malwares, the test would be fake because it would be unknown from First products and known from the rest just because the newest threats became known Threats.

My blog is not multilanguage and i have no intention to do it because my English is not perfect and i want a perfect blog.
Also for such tests you have Mrizos on youtube and the forum www.remove-malware.com. This guy is US and speaks English, his methodology is slightly different than mine, but you'll have to deal with it.

[Fajo]

Well I had my laugh for the day, Thanks! This post also shows the complete lack of understanding about how AV's work let alone the features and techniques they use. :blink:

[smage]

-{ Quote: "No. It's a matter of statistics.
Say A detects 70% of infected links and B 50%.
If you choose 10 links, that does mean A would stop 7 and B 5. Here is the margin of error I spoke earlier.

Let's take a example:
Ten infected links:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

A detects 1 from 7 and B 6 to 10 (remember 70% and 50%).
If you choose links 1 3 6 7 and 10, product A detects now 3 of 10 samples and product B 3 too. Both products detects 50% of infected URLs.
If you choose now links 2 6 8 9 10, A detects only 2 sample and B 4.
What's wrong ?

Your sample size is too short.
In fact, you could not be sure to be protected more by product A if you try with few samples. In some cases, that'll be true, in some others, false.

-> Statiscally, product A will be better is you reduce the margin error, the sample size in fact.
-> Statistically, Peghorse's results may be inverse with the next 15 infected links he could try.

Never forget AV science is also statistical science...but not only :)" }-


Hi thanks for taking the time to explain unlike some arrogant folks that just boast about their great knowledge.

AV-C dynamic tests is the right way to go then.

Regards

P.S: “The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride and arrogance.” Samuel Butler quotes

[PegHorse]

You think you know better than me how AV's works ??
GO ahead i'm listening, i will have plenty of laugh today too, because if there is someone is knowing this is me.
I have very often disinfected computers just because of antiviruses sucking.
NO one is testing like me so i do it myself.

So please ! Teach me, i'm growing impatient to hear ~ snip ~
If i'm doing what i'm doing its just because i know perfectly how AV's works.

[BlueZannetti]

Folks,

Here's the deal - the rhetoric gets toned down or the thread gets closed. It's as simple as that.

Blue

[nikanthpromod]

-{ Quote: "So, the goal of all of my videos and my methodology is to harass Security products with latest and newest threats as possible. That's why, i can't test all products with same threats because its taking too much times by encoding video, enhance sounds, sending them and etc... If i would take always same malwares, the test would be fake because it would be unknown from First products and known from the rest just because the newest threats became known Threats." }-
:dry: :wacko:

Not professional .:thumbd:
U must test HIPS softwares too so all softwares will get 100% malware blocking score.

Not a useful Blog.

Its better to close this thread.;)

[andyman35]

The main problem that I have with these kind of home tests is that whilst providing a percentage of detections,they don't take into consideration how damaging the malware that gets through is when compiling their league table.For me one mbr rootkit is worth multiple 'nuisance' breaches and should figure in any analysis.

[PegHorse]

-{ Quote: ":dry: :wacko:

Not professional .:thumbd:
U must test HIPS softwares too so all softwares will get 100% malware blocking score.

Not a useful Blog.

Its better to close this thread.;)" }-
Did i mention ANYWHERE that my blog WAS PROFESSIONNAL ?
If you think so then you missunderstand EVERYTHINGS.

For the last times : most vendors are lying about what they give to you.
Everyone is claiming that they are fighting UNKNOWN threats but in fact they are not CAPABLE, because their technology is bypassed.

So i wanted to check who is powerfull and who is not, the one saying fight against unknown threats have been tested.
But of course i'm testing Hips too. What is Comodo ? Its a full suit, HIPS included.

People are appreciating all tests because most of them are protected by common suits i have reviewed and they can see the truth about it.
About HIPS protection, they are not French, all are English and people which i'm targeting is my country : France.

Comodo is lucky, he is Multilanguage so it has been reviewed. Also, i'm working on CIS 4.

Every suits have the opportunity to show what it gots against all kinds of threats. My blog is not a blog of HIPS but of all common Antivirus, suit etc...

But, i won't explain myself all the times, but i had to shut you down right now because i hate those one who are trashtalking to somebody back.
If you have anything to say, then contact the desired person or just shut up for ever.

Now to admins : Toning down is as you wish, but you should be worried just before i'm coming to answer ! If you had, i would have certainly be nicer !

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "You think you know better than me how AV's works ??
GO ahead i'm listening, i will have plenty of laugh today too, because if there is someone is knowing this is me.
I have very often disinfected computers just because of antiviruses sucking.
NO one is testing like me so i do it myself.

So please ! Teach me, i'm growing impatient to hear ~ snip ~
If i'm doing what i'm doing its just because i know perfectly how AV's works." }-


So, sense you can go to A directory and delete B file your now a expert. ::)

This thread and any little bit of creditability it had has pretty much went out the window with that sentence. :dry:

[PegHorse]

Why that ? If i didn't disinfect anything in my life, My blog won't exist, this sentence too and All suits would be awesome.
So i'm not worried about MY credibility.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Did i mention ANYWHERE that my blog WAS PROFESSIONNAL ?
If you think so then you missunderstand EVERYTHINGS.

For the last times : most vendors are lying about what they give to you.
Everyone is claiming that they are fighting UNKNOWN threats but in fact they are not CAPABLE, because their technology is bypassed.

So i wanted to check who is powerfull and who is not, the one saying fight against unknown threats have been tested.
But of course i'm testing Hips too. What is Comodo ? Its a full suit, HIPS included.

People are appreciating all tests because most of them are protected by common suits i have reviewed and they can see the truth about it.
About HIPS protection, they are not French, all are English and people which i'm targeting is my country : France.

Comodo is lucky, he is Multilanguage so it has been reviewed. Also, i'm working on CIS 4.

Every suits have the opportunity to show what it gots against all kinds of threats. My blog is not a blog of HIPS but of all common Antivirus, suit etc...

But, i won't explain myself all the times, but i had to shut you down right now because i hate those one who are trashtalking to somebody back.
If you have anything to say, then contact the desired person or just shut up for ever.

Now to admins : Toning down is as you wish, but you should be worried just before i'm coming to answer ! If you had, i would have certainly be nicer ! " }-

What are you 12 ? You sit here and act like you have a clue what you are talking about, when really all you do is throw 12 random (Variants) at that at a product. Then you for some reason think that you have tested the AV out. When honestly all you have done is shame the testing industry.

This thread has gone no were accept you attempting to bash people that have valid points. As I agree with the last person this thread simply needs to be closed.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Why that ? If i didn't disinfect anything in my life, My blog won't exist, this sentence too and All suits would be awesome.
So i'm not worried about MY credibility." }-

This is good as you have none. Good day! ;)

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "
So i'm not worried about MY credibility." }-

Then why post here at all? Why would you care if a few people here don't like your test method.

[PegHorse]

-{ Quote: "What are you 12 ? You sit here and act like you have a clue what you are talking about, when really all you do is throw 12 random (Variants) at that at a product. Then you for some reason think that you have tested the AV out. When honestly all you have done is shame the testing industry.

This thread has gone no were accept you attempting to bash people that have valid points. As I agree with the last person this thread simply needs to be closed." }-

You failed once again, i'm doing that but i'm testing features of the product !
The goal of throwing the newest viruses is to see how the product will react to the unknown threat. If it doesn't react then THEY FAILED because they tell to everyone they are capable to kill Unknown threats but its a MARKETING LIE.

I'm 28 but you seems to be younger, because even with my explanations, you're not able to understand what i'm doing. So i suggest you go to play Video games and do not annoy others with your ignorance, specially when you try to be pro and you failed.

I'm sorry for you but you are one of undesired people trashtalking to others back and with no real argument except one : You missunderstand everything surround you, so you think you are pro but you have absolutely none knowledges on computers viruses.

If you knew how antiviruses and viruses works, you wouldn't flame like that.
So just pass the way and start to learn.

[future]

Please not this Peghorse ... I am also French and is the shame of so-called testers in France. I tried several times to explain this on several other forums but every time it comes PegHorse (with his stupid nickname) and always find an answer to everything ... A tip: do not waste your time with this character.

That's all I have to say and I add nothing else.

[PegHorse]

-{ Quote: "Then why post here at all? Why would you care if a few people here don't like your test method." }-
Do you think i care ? You wrong. But i'm doing it to stop trashtalk on my back, i'm here to show you my presence and if you have anything to say me then do it now or shut up forever.
People here are all hypocrits, so this kind unwanted people will shut up when i'm here, and others will talk.

And i'm shocked that admins and moderators allow you such act.
This is more than single flames and it is a almost a crime in my country.
What you are doing in this threat before i come here, is named "DIFEMATION" and its a crime in my country to defame to somebody.
You can put somebody in jails for that !

So if nobody have better arguments to value then shut up for ever NOW.

[PegHorse]

-{ Quote: "Please not this Peghorse ... I am also French and is the shame of so-called testers in France. I tried several times to explain this on several other forums but every time it comes PegHorse (with his stupid nickname) and always find an answer to everything ... A tip: do not waste your time with this character.

That's all I have to say and I add nothing else." }-

This is out of subjects and you have been banned from administrators in Comodo.
You try to explain what ? You just defame on something you can't get it. And as i said its a crime and serious Forum act against it by just ban the unwanted person. But i didn't ask for that, because you amused me. But not admins and moderators.

And if i sucks so hard so please do your own test in Video and show me what you got, if you can't just pass the way too. Its easy to trashtalk but not to do better.

[future]

-{ Quote: "This is out of subjects and you have been banned from administrators in Comodo.
You try to explain what ? You just defame on something you can't get it. And as i said its a crime and serious Forum act against it by just ban the unwanted person. But i didn't ask for that, because you amused me. But not admins and moderators.

And if i sucks so hard so please do your own test in Video and show me what you got, if you can't just pass the way too. Its easy to trashtalk but not to do better." }-

I have not been banned from the forums comodo I simply create an account specifically to inform the community of Comodo your test methods that I found negative for some publishers because everything is based on the way you do with 10 url's. .. Then I just deleted my account. Nothing more.

But hey, you're right PegHorse: you are the best in the world and nobody can get to your level of perfection.

(Topic closed for me)

[BlueZannetti]

Folks,

We're done. Thread closed.

Blue