View Full Version : SATA HDD failure after Defrag
January 2nd, 2010, 04:02 PM
This happened on another one of my hard drives, however I wasn't aware of how it happened until now.
Boot PPM10, Start Defrag of C:, 'Needs to Restart', Restart, Boots, begins Analysis of NTFS, I go to bed thinking it's defragmenting, wake up it says "Here are your fragmented files would you like to defrag?".
This is where I say "No! I want to do stuff, I thought you were defragmenting all night.", Cancel.
I've tried everything.
Windows 7 Boot: Continues booting operation for hours, HDD activity light is locked ON.
Windows 7 Recoverty: Same Thing
Windows 7 Install CD: Same Thing
Paragon Recovery CD: Boots to main menu. Normal Recovery, Recover Boot, etc... All lock and will not load past the point of "Scanning Partitions//Checking Disk"
This in on TWO computers.
January 2nd, 2010, 05:02 PM
If nothing works, I'm going to be buying myself another HDD and then praying that my files on the other disk are recoverable. :|
January 2nd, 2010, 06:41 PM
U can get ur data by a linux live CD. Ubuntu or Parted Magic CD.
January 2nd, 2010, 07:22 PM
Sounds like a problem with the partition Table.
I suggest you try two free apps:
P W Bootable CD allows user to boot computer directly ... (http://www.partitionwizard.com/partition-wizard-bootable-cd.html)
Burn the .iso to cd - boot it , make sure NUM LOCK is on when you get to the bit asking about screen resolution. Type 1, then press enter.
If it sees the HD, click Disk 1 ( or whatever number it is) at the top of the screen , then Partition Recovery on the left pane.. Do a Quick scan. Tick ALL the partitions you want, OK , APPLY.
If PW doesn't see the HD , use Gparted 3.9.4.iso
Boot Gparted cd - if it says the drive is Unallocated , or similar, create a small partition the extreme right. APPLY.
Now boot PW again - it should see the drive and be able to do the partition recovery.
Hope it helps.
January 2nd, 2010, 08:13 PM
I'm not getting past the splash screen on PW.
I'm going to try the other one.
January 2nd, 2010, 08:27 PM
I hosed my partition table a while back - same thing - I couldn't get any bootable apps. to load - except Gparted.
After making a small partition out of harms way on the right of the HD - it rewrote the table - other boot apps. happily loaded and partition recovery got me right back to where I was before.
NOTE: Gparted will stop while loading ( 3 times, I think) - it is asking about language and keyboard settings. Just press Enter each time - the defaults are fine.
January 2nd, 2010, 08:28 PM
Both programs failed me.
First one failed to boot past the splash screen.
Second one got into the GUI (after I prompted boot from RAM)
but when it tries to scan for partitions, the hard drive activity light goes solid and after 10 seconds the window closes.
January 2nd, 2010, 09:05 PM
Strange. Gparted found the drive for me even when there was a "missing" partition table.
Nothing springs to mind at this stage,.:(
Not clear to me how you can get any data off -if you can't access the drive from windows, or from a boot disc.???
January 2nd, 2010, 09:09 PM
It seems strange that window would even start to boot at all if the hard drive was 'FRIED'. So it can't be fried, YET a boot disk won't even detect the HDD...
What about the firmware on the HDD?
January 2nd, 2010, 09:19 PM
If it had been just this one HD - drive controller board issue is possible.
But you had the same problem with another HD - bit of a coincidence.
Do you have another pc to plug the drive into?
January 2nd, 2010, 09:28 PM
And to verify the other hard drive was almost 6 years old when it 'broke'. This one is only a few months old.
I've reattempte everything I've done so far, nothing is working. I reset the BIOS, Unplugged the HDD...
When the HDD is unplugged the boot disks are very much successful at starting. However no HDD is detected, for obvious reasons.
I'm ordering a new, much smaller drive, so that I can install my window again. Hopefully with a working operating system I can make this work.
Another point of interest.
With my old drive, if I try to boot from another drive the 'broken' drive appears corrupted. With it's title containing weird ASCII characters and such. Firmware corruption?
January 2nd, 2010, 09:51 PM
Good luck with it - keep us posted of any developments - it will be interesting to find out what happened .
January 2nd, 2010, 09:58 PM
The problem HAS to be the partition table or the boot record.
I used the same defragmenter on the second partition a few days ago, it was when I tried to use it on the WINDOWS partition that it failed.
What about the Cylinder boundary? Maybe some of the information was pushed past the line. :|
January 3rd, 2010, 12:23 AM
I am not expert in this field but if this is partition table problem, then two use full programs to correct partition table are:
Test Disk (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk)
Partition Table Doctor (http://www.ptdd.com/features.htm)
January 3rd, 2010, 01:16 AM
Well I'll give test disk a try, I've got an Ultimate Book CD sitting around here somewhere. :[
January 3rd, 2010, 02:49 AM
I got it! Thank you VERY much aigle for suggesting those programs, in my googling I remembered about Ultimate Boot Disk and I ran a couple of low level programs, Partition Table Fix (Test Disk ;]), and with 3 simple clicks I fixed it!
This means I can now restore my old computer as well.
Thanks for your support through my troubles SIW2, you're first guess was correct it was a Partition Table error. The programs we tried were too broad scope. We needed low level stuff. :P
The scan came up with quite the dirty error plauge. Luckily I only lost about 15 drivers and a few system files. (Windows System Repair? ;])
Anyways, thanks again!
January 3rd, 2010, 08:16 PM
Great - thanks for letting us know the results.
Surprised Ultimate boot cd would boot and load , if Gparted didn't . I assume you used the System rescue cd module, which includes testdisk.
Happy you got it sorted out.:D
January 4th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Ultimate Boot CD
Select Disk: 1TB Drive
2 Partitions: Windows 7 // Media || Select Windows 7
Shows two partitions: 0 and ###### || Start and End || OK?
Three options: Quit || Deep Scan || Write
Are you sure? y/n || Select Y
Restart computer. Done. :]
January 4th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Thanks - that's interesting. Good to see test disk loaded in your particular circumstance.
Oddly, I got a copy of system rescue cd recently - only to find the more recent recent versions of Gparted have all kinds of issues with ntfs.
I'll stick with the older version.
January 4th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Alright. Thanks again for all of your help. :]
January 4th, 2010, 11:00 AM
happy to know that it worked. I never tried test disk but have very good experience with partition table doctor.
January 4th, 2010, 11:41 AM
The problem was solved. But the question remains, why did the problem happen in the first place? Is this Paragon tool reliable?
January 4th, 2010, 05:19 PM
Such tools can do anything anytime. No matter it,s paragon or some other brand.
January 4th, 2010, 06:47 PM
But it has to be the fault of the boot time defragmenter.
It's happened TWICE, not just a fluke accident. Perhaps at the start of the defragmentation the partition table is edited to suite Paragon's needs, and then if you cancel it fails to rewrite it back to default.
Paragon should check it out
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