Overkill???

[Sandcrab]

Am I being paranoid?

I am on dial-up, & to protect myself out there, started out with Ad-Aware, Spybot, SpywareBlaster & SpywareGuard. Progressed to Webroot's Window Washer (which is excellent) & then to the free version of ZoneAlarm (excellent also). Also have HijackThis & various utilities from GRC.com.

Question: Do I really need both both Ad-Aware & Spybot (because of the discrepencies) now that I have Window Washer????? Also, Ad-Aware always but always picks up low-level adaware that Spybot does not. Why is this??? have always been told that Spybot is the best.
PS. forgot to add that I also have Norton Anti-virus 2003.

Cheers,
Pete.
:) :) :-\ :-\

PS. --- G'day DaCat, hope all is well? :) :) :)

[shunned]

Somewhere around the forum is a much like topic where posters replied.....so the topic was well hashed..

Overkill..in general, hardly...under-protected most likely. Do you have ANY anti virus program???
Spyblaster and spywareguard do as their names imply...help prevent spyware. But notice that they prevent BEFORE THE FACT, NOT AFTER THE FACT.
That simple tactic applied to the over-all operating system would save countless users alot of agony. IMO so much focus is being placed on REMOVAL...instead of PREVENTION...that alot of people have near no prevention programs because of being obsessed with removal programs. kind of like putting the plow ahead of the mule...
File protection.., system monitoring...script detectors...cookie management....proper setting of Zones in internet explorer....controling windows scripting...an much more.......thats REAL TIME PROTECTION........an your use of the word OVERKILL causes me to mention this.
The real world is not about Removal its about Protection.
Sandcrab,,,what DO you feel comfotable with....both programs or just one.....you answered that question within your post.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

Call me paranoid, but I don't think it's overkill - especially when most of these apps are free. I use most everything you mentioned and have had apps detect items the others didn't.

I just upgraded to ZA Pro, but then I'm using broadband. It's a welcomed step-up in security if your paranoid like me.

I would also recommend TDS-3 for AT protection - you can't get any better, and the price isn't too bad.

And finally, I'm using AVG-FREE as my AV scanner. It's worked well for me, but I'm getting ready to trade up to either NOD32 or KAV, both much better at detecting the bad guys, from what I've read from those in the know posting at Wilders.org. ;D

[notageek]

It' s not overkill. I know people with more security apps than you have. ;) I have 2 AV ( 1 resident and 1 back up) 1 Set AT but trialing a few other ondemands, Spybot s&d, AAW, Spyware blaster, Spyware guard, SSM, proxomitron and a firewall. Plus I have a few junk cleaners :)

[shunned]

D&C

WAY TO GO!!!! My compliments....your very good insight is much greater than quite a few others hindsight

[shunned]

Notageek

WAY TO GO>>>A PROXO user...now thats on top of the game.....if some of the newbees are reading this thread hopefully they will be encouraged by you and D&C

[notageek]

Thanks Shunned. I like to get the word out on internet security as much as I can. I hope people read all the posts and websites they can and learn about the importants of internet privacy and internet security. I hope someday I'll be teaching internet security to people that would a great job. :)



Had to edit shunned name. I hit the T instead of the H. Sorry.

[Shunned]

Notageek

Its PRIME TIME....an its your time...you have the knowledge....just be yourself...cause you got everything it takes and everything thats needed.......DO YOUR THING AND DO IT NOW!!!
This is your world....
newbees are beginning to see the light an someone needs to instruct them correctly..begin where you can..but begin teaching! Shunned knows you can....Shunned believe in your ability......

[NanDog]

Sandcrab, I think Spybot S&D and Adaware complement one another very nicely. What one misses, the other finds. I recently went to AAW plus with active Adwatch and so far I'm happy with the USD 39.95 expense. I also have NIS 2003 (I know...I know...lots of folks blast Symantec proggies but they've treated me pretty well, maybe I'm one of the few lucky ones!) I also have Cookiewall, TrojanHunter+, IESpyad and use the Panda on-line AV scanner periodically! Plus I have CWShredder and HijackThis available. Also, I've tightened up IE so much that it squeaks when I click on it! Paranoid? Maybe! But I wouldn't be that way if all those crackers, blackhats and scriptkiddies weren't out to get me and my computer!!!! ;D

BTW, I see you're from Oz (I'm assuming you mean Australia and aren't referring to the Wizard of Oz) Where exactly? Was down there for 3 weeks about 6 years ago and would love to go back! You have a lovely country!

Edit: OK, looked at your profile and saw you're in Queensland. Port Douglas and Cairns were 2 of my most favorite spots (especially Port Douglas 'cuz it was so quiet and laid-back). But all our trip down the coast from Port Douglas, our northernmost destination, to Melbourne, was fantastic! A great country and a wonderful populace!

[Shunned]

A MUST HAVE!!!

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=24595



NanDog

Very impressive....nice job done well!

[Shunned]

For The Record:

Shun just praising the posters very fine security.....Shun knows nothing about nothing...Shun trys to sit on chair and falls instead......

[subratam]

Hello sandcrab,

Already much said and well said.
To add my views, You are NOT being paranoid.
As some already pointed out and you may have seen, in many signatures here, people are using more than one security software, me being one of them too.
Today, when viruses and trojans are NOT the only threats and when threats are increasing every second, specially this new kinda evil have crept up in the scenario called spyware which are considered as major threat as virus/trojans.
To answer your question, you need both Ad-aware and spybot and if NOT spywareblaster and spywareguard too.
These all compliment each other and NOT any overkill. You may find some answers why you need both of them, and also nice comparison between ad-aware and spybot
http://www.compukiss.com/populartopics/research_infohtm/review321.htm

Its your computer and why should NOT you take all steps possible to keep it safe?

[NanDog]

-{ Quote: " quoting: subratam link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=0#msg149929 date=1080280363]

Its your computer and why should NOT you take all steps possible to keep it safe?
" }-

Amen! Or in other words: "Listen and learn, young Jedi!"

Sandcrab, lots of great information on this forum that will allow you to make your computing much safer and more fun! Heed the words of wisdom to be found here!

Shunned, thanks for your kind words. And thanks for the info 'bout Script Defender. I need to check into that in order to have one more arrow in my quiver! But why don't you register and become a full-fledged member of the Wilder's family? I've seen you posting quite a bit lately. Come on in and join all the fun! We won't bite! I promise! (Well, maybe some of us will nibble on your ear!) :D ;D :D

[subratam]

-{ Quote: " quoting: NanDog link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=0#msg149947 date=1080284218]
But why don't you register and become a full-fledged member of the Wilder's family? I've seen you posting quite a bit lately.
" }-

Something , that pricked me too.. and does still... though, its always one' s wish . But yes, I look forward to see you joining here.. and by no way WE are saying that you ARE to be REGISTERED to have your views taken ;D , but maybe you are missing the cookies ... lol

[NanDog]

-{ Quote: " quoting: subratam link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=0#msg149954 date=1080286068]
-{ Quote: " quoting: NanDog link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=0#msg149947 date=1080284218]
But why don't you register and become a full-fledged member of the Wilder's family? I've seen you posting quite a bit lately.
" }-

but maybe you are missing the cookies ... lol
" }-

Withouddadoubt.....what makes this forum so special is the cookie snacks! Yummmmm.....

Buy ya gotta be a registered member to enjoy these highly-valued, eminently tasty but low calorie tidbits! Oh man.......they're better than Krispy Kremes!!

Shunned, you just have to try one! It's easy. Just sign up and say "Hi! I'm Shunned and I'm a Wilder's-aholic!" It's all downhill from there! :)

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "Buy ya gotta be a registered member to enjoy these highly-valued, eminently tasty but low calorie tidbits! Oh man.......they're better than Krispy Kremes!! " }-

I never did like sweets. ;D I simply enjoy knowing that I've helped someone lock down and secure their pride and joy from the viruses and trojans built by degerates with too much time on their hands.

[notageek]

I forgot to add one thing to my list and thought it would help out. I see shunned posted a link to a subject about SD. I thouhgt I would put in there I use Script Sentry. It does what it says it does. :)

[Shunned]

Sub and Nan,,,

Am very complimented by your invitation to become a member of this very nice forum. An would consider it an honor.
It was sheer accident that I arrived here. Found myself with some extra time on my hands. Every now and then I drop in here. Mostly just to read the posts. This time I just stayed awhile.
As stated to Notageek....this is your world guys.....you are the people that people can depend on. Its you guys who will be the security experts of tomorrow. Each of you are intelligent...an take pride in what you are doing. Its you this forum needs an not some drop-in like me.
The internet holds no interest for me. So, while I take your invitation to heart please understand that my visits here are numbered as are my days using the internet. So not much point in becoming a member..in my case.
To others, however, membership in this fine forum is encouraged.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: " quoting: notageek link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=15#msg150160 date=1080320661]
I see shunned posted a link to a subject about SD. I thouhgt I would put in there I use Script Sentry. It does what it says it does. :)" }-

Notageek,

When you say that ScriptSentry does what it says it does, are you implying S&D doesn't? Just curious - I use S&D and have not had a problem with it. But until now I've not heard of ScriptSentry. What category does it fall into (AV, AT, AD, ..)?

D&C

[notageek]

Mods I'm not trying to hijack this thread, just going to make one more point. Please bare with me.

Shunned. This forum isn't just for experts or people that know it all about security. It's also for people that want to learn by asking questions. It would be great pleasure to have you here as a member. Shunned if you would like to finish this We should open a new thread in the ten forward. :)

Now back to the topic.

[notageek]

D&C. ScriptSentry doesn't fall in the catagory as spybot s&d. ScriptSentry basically pops up telling you a script is trying to run do you want to allow it? Spybot is a spyware scanner and cleaner. Here's the link to scriptsentry. http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/programs.asp?Program=Script%20Sentry

[meneer]

And some more on topic:
dare I say that I do think using all this tooling is overkill? (glad there's no smite button anymore ;))
As far as I can see, most of these tools are needed because of:

fear of vulnerabilities in software
not trusting the software makers
not trusting yourown safe hex practices

All these matters can be overcome, not by using lots of tools. My processor power is needed for my work.
I only use a one or two tools, not even on a regular basis (I like adaware). I use less vulnerable tools (okay, as far as I can see), especially software that's not integrated in my OS, I try to get fixes pretty quick and I am not very curious opening my mail.
So far so good.

By all means, use the tools that you feel that you need, but also, by all means, check for yourself why you would need them. You certainly don't need tools just to use them.

[Dazed_and_Confused]

-{ Quote: "... check for yourself why you would need them. " }-

Meneer - Good point. If your travels are limited to your local financial institution's web site, why would you ever need an AV or AT? In my case, it's exactly that! Because I simply can't afford the risk. If I'm constantly navigating to secure sites and making financial transactions, the last thing I need is a sneaky keylogger tracking my steps and passwords. Better safe than sorry is my motto. Big thanks to TDS-3 - next best thing to a small army. 8)

D&C

[NanDog]

Much of what Meneer said is true. IMO, the best security tool is what's between your ears! But, that being said, I also like to have additional layers of protection for those isolated instance when I either get lazy or get stupid or get tricked. And calling these security proggies "tools" is pretty apt. I'm a car nut and am currently in the final stages of restoring a 1969 Camaro Z28 so I use real mechanic-type tools a lot! Just 'cuz I rarely need that 3/4-inch deepwell socket attached to a wobbly joint on the end of an extension doesn't mean owning such gear is overkill. When I need it, I'm damned glad I have it. For me it's much the same for Adaware, S&D, TrojanHunter and the like. My computing practices make them little used tools (not that I never use 'em but just that they rarely find anything) but occasionally I'm damned glad I have 'em, even if just to assure me that my box remains clean! When I put my computer to bed each night, I too can put myself to bed with an easy mind knowing that I won't be up early in the morning trying to clean and correct a sabotaged box. But, each to their own! ;)

[Dazed_and_Confused]

NanDog / Meneer,

Please don't take my last remark as a rebuke. Meneer is exactly right, as usual. If you limit your visit to sites of major corporations, you'll probably never see an virus or trojan or the like. However, sometimes I think those critters have the use Star Trek's transporter (beam me up Scotty! :D ) - at times they just seem to appear out of nowhere! And as you stated, it's best to be prepared.

[NanDog]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Dazed_and_Confused link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=15#msg150285 date=1080333641]
NanDog / Meneer,

Please don't take my last remark as a rebuke. " }-

No worries, mate! I didn't take your statement that way. As I said earlier, I just like to be very, very, very well-protected and that's why I have the progs I do! I'm kinda anal that way! ;D

In addition (and I'm not speaking for anyone else but I suspect many others fall into this group) I kinda enjoy playing the security game. It's the whitehats vs. the blackhats and it's fun knowing those outlaws can't just ride into my town, shoot up the scenery, knock over the bank, force the saloon keeper to pour free drinks, steal kisses from all the pretty girls and then just ride into the sunset! I'm gunnin' for 'em!!!! ;D

[Dazed_and_Confused]

Ha! You've obviously seen too many Clint Eastwood movies ;D And if there are any "Black Hats" out there listening in, ,my TDS-3 appy says "Make My Day"!

[NanDog]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Dazed_and_Confused link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=15#msg150340 date=1080338448]
my TDS-3 appy says "Make My Day"!
" }-

LOL!

[gerardwil]

Hi all,

In order to prevent my machine i am using progs like Spyware Guard, Spywareblaster, AV, Regprot, use of hosts file and ie-spyad, SafeXP, and a few other little progs. Also my ethernet stealthing all ports.
But as i am not the only user here, kids are also messing around some time, i have also progs like adaware, S-S&D, AT. So far these progs never find anything malicious. And I hope to keep it that way.
Adaware and S-S&D dont bite each other at all where S-S&D has more additional features.

Have a nice weekend, :)

Gerard

[meneer]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Dazed_and_Confused link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=15#msg150285 date=1080333641]
Meneer is exactly right, as usual." }- ;D it's a habit I guess ;D
-{ Quote: "If you limit your visit to sites of major corporations, you'll probably never see an virus or trojan or the like." }-
Don't just believe that I only visit safe sites, I'm in the security business. I try to practice safe hex, but that's not enough. Since I don't trust a lot of major corporation software, I just use other tools instead. No vulnerability = no risk = no threat = no tooling needed. I like simplicity 8)

I'm so glad that my online bank moved away form ActiveX, I changed browser a time ago, but had to use IE for online banking. Silly, using a not very secure solution for secure transaction... If only my bank wouldn't mind my using a linux system, my digital life would be even more relaxed... (yes, I believe that by integrating all kinds of software into the OS, security is at risk. One bug in one tool compromises the whole OS...)

[Sandcrab]

-{ Quote: " quoting: NanDog link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=15#msg150269 date=1080332729]
Much of what Meneer said is true. IMO, the best security tool is what's between your ears!
" }-

G'day All,

This topic seems to have attracted a bit of attention I must say & I have followed the thread with great interest. Seems to me that NanDog, Dazed_and_Confused & Co are quite correct in their remarks with being well armed & prepared for anything the nasty old Web can throw at you. Meneer also makes his point very well & I have taken it all on board. Both Ad-Aware & Spybot S&D do complement each other. Having said that, I can go to sleep at night Knowing that it's ok to be paranoid. (on the Web, anyway) ;D ;D
I tend to stay away from the dark areas of the Web & stick to the information gathering side of things. All your comments are much appreciated. This is a great forum & I would like to do my little bit by letting you all know that SpywareBlaster 3.0 is out & available for download from Javacool. Have a good one. ;) ;) ;)

[Pieter_Arntz]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Sandcrab link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=30#msg152221 date=1080642296]
This is a great forum & I would like to do my little bit by letting you all know that SpywareBlaster 3.0 is out & available for download from Lavasoft.

" }-

Thanks for the compliment on the forum, but I am afraid you got the second part mixed up somehow. ;)

Regards,

Pieter

[NanDog]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Sandcrab link=board=20;threadid=25774;start=30#msg152221 date=1080642296]
This is a great forum & I would like to do my little bit by letting you all know that SpywareBlaster 3.0 is out & available for download from Lavasoft. Have a good one. ;) ;) ;)

" }-

Ummm.....yes, Sandcrab, that's a good tip about SpywareBlaster but Javacool should get the credit and not Lavasoft! No worries though, mate. You're prolly still cleaning up after the Gracie storm and not concentrating on other things, right? ;)

[Sandcrab]

Oh dear, Oh Dear,
I really must stay off the homebrew. My brain cells are just about stewed. Maybe I should go into that Home after all. how embarrassing!
:-[ :-[ :-[

[K]

I don't think it's overkill at all...I'm glad there are others like me...I've got quite a few security apps myself. I try to spread the word about security also but not too many people listen :( Like my girlfriend...I ran ad-aware on her comp. and found over 300!!! bits of spyware. I installed ZA on her comp., as she has an always on connection. Just thought I'd share my thoughts since I was looking through the forum : )

[Samjax]

Being relatively "new" to the Wilders Forum, I have tried to put together my own personal protection package.

I currently have the following programs (a number of which are free...a few I have paid for).

R=Running resident
D=On demand only

Spyware Guard R
Spyware Blaster R
Ad Aware D
BOClean R
PestPatrol R
Ewido Security Suite D
Extendia AVK Pro (uses KAV and RAV engines) R
Extendia Security Suite D and R on a few items.
Kaspersky Anti-Hacker Firewall R
MailWasher D
CWS Shredder D
Hijack This D

2 weeks ago I only had Sygate personal firewall and Norton Anti-Virus. I feel that I now have a considerably "safer" system. Many thanks to all of the "pros" who post here regularly, without you guys and gals...I would have still been where I was a few weeks ago (hijacked, trojaned and infected with no clue what to do). Many thanks.

By the way...any suggestions regarding anything else I should obtain are greatly appreciated. I still have a few more dollars I can play with :)

[meneer]

If you still use IE and OE, you might consider changing that too ;)