To settle this "raging" controversy....

[Trespasser]

Hello there.
I have a young relative who works at our local university in the computer department tending their linux network. He's continually trying to correct me in the pronunciation of Ubuntu when we "try" to discuss computers. He pronounces it "you-bun (as in hamburger)-two. Well, Josh, if you ever happen to read this (you big weenie), once again, it's correctly pronounced "oo-boon (as in Daniel Boone)-too...as stated at Ubuntu's FAQs...

http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq

Silly, I know, but I just had to post this. ;).

How many of you have been mispronouncing it?

Later...

[culla]

almost everyone and who cares ::)

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "
How many of you have been mispronouncing it?" }-
Probably just people who can only speak English, or use it as their first language.

[cortez]

Mispronouncing foreign names and words is a national pastime ;D .

Even professors routinely mispronounce them.

When in Rome....

[Fuzzfas]

-{ Quote: "Hello there.
I have a young relative who works at our local university in the computer department tending their linux network. He's continually trying to correct me in the pronunciation of Ubuntu when we "try" to discuss computers. He pronounces it "you-bun (as in hamburger)-two. " }-

Obviously your friend has never heard Africans speak in their own language. If he had, he would know that not everyone in the world pronounces the alphabet like Americans. Actually the africans are quite sharp and clear with their sounds. The american ones are often too elaborated compared to the african ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjdDOfTzbk&feature=related

Tell your friend to watch the Shaka Zulu tv miniseries. It will give him a non traumatic approach to african sounds, since it's filmed in english. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZkSju6VElw&feature=related

He will hear some "weird" "u" out there, that's for sure. ;D Their "a" is also very clean.

[lordpake]

Not to mention us Finns. Our language is pronounced as it's written. Ubuntu is simply pronounced as 'U-bun-tu' by the locals here, no you's no a's no two's etc. :D

[TonyW]

I must admit that at first glance I would have pronounced it as you-bun-two as well.

[firzen771]

english is my native language but ive always said it as u say is correct ;D.

[whitedragon551]

I came in here to see the raging controversy. Where is it?

[Trespasser]

I stand guilty of over-hyping the thread title. OK? I blame it on television. :).

Later...

[Nick Rhodes]

-{ Quote: "I must admit that at first glance I would have pronounced it as you-bun-two as well." }-

When I say OO-boon-Too sounds like I trying to put on a fake Queens-English posh accent.

I will stick my U-bun-too, matches my Yorkshire accent better.

[FastGame]

U-bun-too, you-bun-two, U-bun-tu all get by in my part of the world.

I think the name should be changed to something everyone can pronounce correctly. Ubrown2 :)

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Hello there.
I have a young relative who works at our local university in the computer department tending their linux network. He's continually trying to correct me in the pronunciation of Ubuntu when we "try" to discuss computers. He pronounces it "you-bun (as in hamburger)-two. Well, Josh, if you ever happen to read this (you big weenie), once again, it's correctly pronounced "oo-boon (as in Daniel Boone)-too...as stated at Ubuntu's FAQs...

http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq


Silly, I know, but I just had to post this. ;).

How many of you have been mispronouncing it?

Later..." }-
I pronounce Paris as par iss and not par ee because I speak English and not French. Same goes for you bun two. I don't speak Swahili either.

[Ocky]

As a South African, I think I can help.

The word Ubuntu has its origins in the Bantu languages of Southern Africa of which for instance Zulu, Xhosa and the other 7 Bantu based languages spoken
here are part of.
Ubuntu means 'a person is a person through a person'. We all know that here.

It has nothing to do with Swahili at all. ;D

Pronounced ' OO-BOON-TWO ' ... Some of you have got that right :)

Hope it's all clear now. :argh:

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "As a South African, I think I can help.

The word Ubuntu has its origins in the Bantu languages of Southern Africa of which for instance Zulu, Xhosa and the other 7 Bantu based languages spoken
here are part of.
Ubuntu means 'a person is a person through a person'. We all know that here.

It has nothing to do with Swahili at all. ;D

Pronounced ' OO-BOON-TWO ' ... Some of you have got that right :)

Hope it's all clear now. :argh:" }-
I don't speak Bantu either. I'll still pronounce it you bun two. And I don't really care what the word means in Bantu.

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "I don't speak Bantu either. I'll still pronounce it you bun two. And I don't really care what the word means in Bantu." }-

I don't speak 'Bantu' either; firstly because it's a collective term for certain languages in these parts, and secondly because my home language is a mixture of English and German.
I don't care who cares what Ubuntu means or how it is pronounced.
Obviously my smidgeon of background info. is totally superfluous.

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "Obviously my smidgeon of background info. is totally superfluous." }-
Not at all. For me it was an interesting piece of trivia, and if you ask me I'd also say it's a safe bet that the majority of the Wilders population aren't so close-minded and dismissive of other cultures/languages.

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "Not at all. For me it was an interesting piece of trivia" }-

Same here. I found Ocky's post very interesting.

BTW, I'm a bit surprised by the attitude displayed by a few of the responders. You can continue to pronounce Ubuntu whichever way you wish. My intent was to say "Hey! This is the correct way to pronounce it!" firstly to my relative, Josh (yes....my own special way of venting), and to whomever might find it interesting. I'm sure Josh will continue to pronounce Ubuntu "you-bun-two" even after learning the truth since he's just "that" way (an "I say black he says white" type of person). Such is life, I guess.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Same here. I found Ocky's post very interesting.

BTW, I'm a bit surprised by the attitude displayed by a few of the responders. You can continue to pronounce Ubuntu whichever way you wish. My intent was to say "Hey! This is the correct way to pronounce it!" firstly to my relative, Josh (yes....my own special way of venting), and to whomever might find it interesting. I'm sure Josh will continue to pronounce Ubuntu "you-bun-two" even after learning the truth since he's just "that" way (an "I say black he says white" type of person). Such is life, I guess." }-
But that is the point. It isn't the correct way to pronounce it if you are speaking English. The accepted English pronunciation is u bun tu. I know how Mexicans pronounce Mexico and how the French pronounce Paris. But I don't use those pronunciations because I speak English.

To me, it would be disrespectful and pretentious to mimic another culture's pronunciation. Not the other way around.

[Trespasser]

Well, I'm convinced. you-bun-two it is since I speak English solely as well. Thanks for your train of logic. :).

No, seriously. I'm sure there are many words I mispronounce on a daily basis (linux for example...I pronounce it "line-ex" while Josh pronounces it "lynn-ex"), but since Ubuntu is by far my favorite distro I decided something like four years ago to find out what was the correct pronunciation. I choose to pronounce it correctly...not how it appears to be pronounced. But, it's your option to speak it whichever way you please.

Have a good one, everybody.

Later...

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Well, I'm convinced. you-bun-two it is since I speak English solely as well. Thanks for your train of logic. :).

No, seriously. I'm sure there are many words I mispronounce on a daily basis (linux for example...I pronounce it "line-ex" while Josh pronounces it "lynn-ex"), but since Ubuntu is by far my favorite distro I decided something like four years ago to find out what was the correct pronunciation. I choose to pronounce it correctly...not how it appears to be pronounced. But, it's your option to speak it whichever way you please.

Have a good one, everybody.

Later..." }-
You chose to pronounce it correctly? And just what "authority" did you use to determine what was correct? THE authority on the English language, the Oxford English Dictionary, doesn't list the word. So the only legitimate "authority" would be what is the most common or accepted pronunciation.

In fact, I've tried several dictionaries and NONE of them list the word. Even the wkipedia doesn't attempt to give the pronunciation. So, what did you use to determine "the correct pronunciation?"

In fact, I challenge anyone if this forum to cite a legitimate, verifiable authority to back up the contention that oo boon tu is the "correct' pronunciation.

[Pedro]

Right where one would expect.. mentioned in the first post.
-{ Quote: "How do you pronounce Ubuntu?

Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too". " }-
http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq

[Seer]

-{ Quote: "In fact, I challenge anyone if this forum to cite a legitimate, verifiable authority to back up the contention that oo boon tu is the "correct' pronunciation." }-

A Zulu dictionary (http://isizulu.net/) perhaps? -

213368

[Pedro]

Or perhaps straight from Mandela :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODQ4WiDsEBQ

[phaedrus]

OK. Can I ask a question...
What is (currently) the "correct" way for an English speaking person to pronounce "Mexico", "Paris", "Ubuntu", and "Linux" ?

I say currently because language and pronunciation are transitory. It changes over time, so there is no absolute "correct".

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "A Zulu dictionary (http://isizulu.net/) perhaps? -

213368" }-
Sorry, but what the Zulu dictionary says is irrelevant when speaking English. But it doesn't state the pronunciation as 00 boon tu anyway.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Right where one would expect.. mentioned in the first post.

http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq" }-
Ah, at last, someone cites a reasonable "authority." Just as Linus has the right to say how Linux should be pronounced, because he made up the word, Canonical should have the right to say how Ubuntu should be pronounced. Right? Not quite. They didn't make up the word. English dictionary please.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Or perhaps straight from Mandela :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODQ4WiDsEBQ" }-I know some people want to canonize Pres. Mandela, but that still doesn't make him an authority on the English language.

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "Ah, at last, someone cites a reasonable "authority."" }-

It was in my first post.

-{ Quote: "English dictionary please." }-

OK. How about this. It's the American English dictionary pronunciation of Ubuntu. It even has a button you click to hear it pronounced...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/ubuntu

And if you try to comeback that it's just an online dictionary then here's them selling their dictionary....

http://www.macmillandictionaries.com/about/about.htm

Oh, what the heck...here's an online talking dictionary of English pronunciations...

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ubuntu

Hope this satisfies you...but I have a hunch that it will not. :).

Dude, if you want to pronounce it "you-bun-two" then go right ahead if you wish. Stop getting so bent out of shape on this silly subject.

Later...

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "It was in my first post.



OK. How about this. It's the American English dictionary pronunciation of Ubuntu. It even has a button you click to hear it pronounced...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/ubuntu

And if you try to comeback that it's just an online dictionary then here's them selling their dictionary....

http://www.macmillandictionaries.com/about/about.htm

Oh, what the heck...here's an online talking dictionary of English pronunciations...

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ubuntu

Hope this satisfies you...but I have a hunch that it will not. :).

Dude, if you want to pronounce it "you-bun-two" then go right ahead if you wish. Stop getting so bent out of shape on this silly subject.

Later..." }-
Just to set the record straight, my name is not Dude. As to your cites, one has to admire your perseverance. I did a search for online dictionaries and Macmillan didn't even show on the first couple of pages.

I checked several of the better known dictionaries, such as the OED, Websters and The American Heritage and none of them even list the word. However, by googling "oo boon," I did find a few references to that pronunciation for Ubuntu. I also did a search on the topic of pronouncing Ubuntu and found that the overwhelming majority of IT people pronounce it u bun tu. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on what is "correct."

[FirePost]

My observation is that Ubuntu is a name for a product and the people that named it are the authority on how the name is properly pronounced. The pronunciation of the word is not relevant.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "My observation is that Ubuntu is a name for a product and the people that named it are the authority on how the name is properly pronounced. The pronunciation of the word is not relevant." }-
Problem with that reasoning is that Canonical has never exerted their "authority." This controversy isn't new and Canonical has never stepped into the discussion on one side or the other. Their Homepage gives the pronunciation as 00 boon tu, but that's it. They have allowed the IT community to establish the de facto pronunciation as u bun tu without any protest what so ever. IOW, Canonical has accepted u bun tu, so why can't you? I can insist forever that it is a toe mah toe but everyone else is still going to call it a toe mae toe.

Do you get it yet? Correct is what is accepted and not what all of the BS in the world says otherwise. I've even given up on telling people that "very unique" is improper usage. It is accepted usage today even if the concept is stupid.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "Problem with that reasoning is that Canonical has never exerted their "authority." (...) Their Homepage gives the pronunciation as 00 boon tu, but that's it. They have allowed the IT community to establish the de facto pronunciation as u bun tu without any protest what so ever. IOW, Canonical has accepted u bun tu, so why can't you? " }-
:what: lewmur, everybody including Mark Shuttleworth and his dog is ok with your way of pronouncing it. There was never a problem with this.
But it does not make it the correct way to pronounce it, no matter what you come up with in creative arguments. The correct pronunciation for this AFRICAN word is how Canonical is telling you, Mandela is telling you, dictionaries that hold the word tell you... ummmkay? :)

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "
No, its not OK, The "african" way is no more "correct" than the "accepted" way. OK?

[pandlouk]

I am only wondering...those that pronounce it Ubuntu as "you-bun-two", how do they pronounce Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu? ???

Panagiotis

[Seer]

-{ Quote: "The "african" way is no more "correct" than the "accepted" way." }-

Accepted where? In english speaking countries? What about the 'rest of the world'? You have every right to twist (anglicize) any foreign word as you see fit (another simple example would be pronounciation of 'Los Angeles', Pedro should know that ;) ), but this does not make a native english speaker a referent authority.

[Eice]

-{ Quote: ":what: lewmur, everybody including Mark Shuttleworth and his dog is ok with your way of pronouncing it. There was never a problem with this." }-
Unfortunately I doubt that's the issue at stake here. I suggest you simply let it go, as someone wants his stupid but widely-accepted pronunciation to be correct, and will not rest until you give in and admit that he's right.

[Pedro]

I don't see a problem with debating with people who disagree with you, even when they're not making much sense at the time. As long as we're all civil.
And lewmur certainly seems to be an intelligent guy. I just think these last posts are really wrong.
It could be a communication problem of sorts. For instance,
-{ Quote: "But that is the point. It isn't the correct way to pronounce it if you are speaking English. The accepted English pronunciation is u bun tu. I know how Mexicans pronounce Mexico and how the French pronounce Paris. But I don't use those pronunciations because I speak English.

To me, it would be disrespectful and pretentious to mimic another culture's pronunciation. Not the other way around." }-
I don't see anything wrong with this post.

[Alcyon]

In fewer words, Ubuntu (oo-boon-two) means "unity" and if it's pronounced you-boon-two, it introduce the concept of duality and completely disfigure its true meaning. Africans, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "In fewer words, Ubuntu (oo-boon-two) means "unity" and if it's pronounced you-boon-two, it introduce the concept of duality and completely disfigure its true meaning. Africans, please correct me if I'm wrong." }-
That might be what the word ubuntu means in some African language. (Nobody seems quite sure of the language or the exact translation.) But Ubuntu, (notice the capital U) is a distro of the Linux OS.

And if you want unity, stop trying to tell the majority of people that they are pronouncing it incorrectly. The original poster as much as admitted that he was stirring controversy. Look at the title of the thread. He started the controversy. Not I.

[Alcyon]

lewmur, this is only my interpretation of what Desmond Tutu said, I'm not African (just in case you didn't know), I know nothing about their beliefs, I'm not trying to convince someone that he's not pronouncing the word correctly and I've never said that you started a controversy. You're mistaking me with someone else, I presume.

Anyway... Guys, I knew nothing about Mr. Tutu until today so a big thanks goes to Fuzzfas for posting the video. It's time to start my own researches on this archbishop. Dialoguing with some hostile people will lead nowhere.

You can continue your strange quarrels without me.

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "The original poster as much as admitted that he was stirring controversy. Look at the title of the thread. He started the controversy. Not I." }-

Hum.....
Maybe I should have included controversy in my title quotation marks. I thought for sure putting raging in quotation marks would be enough to tip people off that the subject was meant as a joke. I was not attempting to "stir"controversy. How ridiculous. Like I said in my first post this topic is silly.

So, in the spirit of Ubuntu, let's allow this thread to die. Enough has been said.

Later...

[culla]

so how do you say
[can't write the first letter with a stick on it] utorrent?

[Fuzzfas]

This is one of the oldest problems worldwide... How do you pronounce imported words from a foreign language...

In your own country, as long as the others can understand you, it's fine to use your own language's pronounciation.

When you leave your country though, if you insist on that pronounciation, while the others use their own or the "original" pronounciation, you will have problems.

It's the same as when Americans go abroads and listen to others try to reply them in english with a heavy local accent. You know, all the laughs in comedies with Germans speaking english using the german pronounciation for "w" (v) for example? "I vil kill you". Something like that.

At the same way, for a frenchman, thinking in his own language, a pair of jeans, should be pronounciated like "Jean" in Jean-Paul. But if an american was to hear that, he would laugh his ass out.

Or another good example , since we have the Inspector in the forum, is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o&feature=related

Peter Sellers for HIS (supposed) native language, is pronounciating correctly.


So, in US, Ubuntu, given the way the english alphabet is pronounced ("u" is "you" after all), could , i think, very well be pronounced youbuntoo, youbuntwo or i don't know what else.

Simply for a South African, who's familiar with his word, you ll sound like the Ispector asking for a room...

My personal view on this is: In your own language you can use an imported foreign word in the way that it's more widespread amongst your countrymen. For the simple fact that this is how they will understand you. Is it the correct way to pronounce it? No. It's the way your language tries to live with it. The correct is the original one and as soon you leave your border, if you insist on using your own pronounciation, you end up like Peter Sellers.


-{ Quote: "so how do you say
[can't write the first letter with a stick on it] utorrent?" }-

The difference here, is that Utorrent, is not an african word. Ubuntu is. Or to put it in another way. If you ask most europeans (bar British) how would they pronounce UToramb, i believe they would say exactly UToramb, not YouToramb (Utoramb with a like in arson). Because it's most natural way that derives from the latin alphabet. If you ask them about UTorrent, many will shift towards YouTorrent. Why? Because they know it's an english word.


Or for example, there's a german newspaper, called "Die Welt". For an American, it would be natural i suppose, to call it exactly "Die (as in "die you bastard") Welt (W as in Wealth), which means "The world" and is pronounced "D Velt". If you go to Germany and to most european countries where more or less they are familiar with the particularities of the german accent and you say "Die welt" using american pronounciation, they will laugh their asses out. It may be correct for inside USA, but it's not the correct way to say it, because it's not english word. If you for some reason decide to import the word "Welt" from german into american english, of course for you it's natural to say Welt as in well. But it's not the correct way to pronounce it outside USA, because it's not an english word.

[iceni60]

you can hear how it's pronounced on youtube if you lookup mark shuttleworth. he gave it the name and knows how it's pronounced. jeff waugh seems to know too, he should know. i think he was one of the first people to be employed at ubuntu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bV4MVMrN-g

[Seer]

-{ Quote: "so how do you say
[can't write the first letter with a stick on it] utorrent?" }-

-{ Quote: "If you ask them about UTorrent, many will shift towards YouTorrent. Why? Because they know it's an english word." }-

Actually, it's μtorrent, not utorrent, so clearly it's pronounced 'micro-torrent'.

[Ocky]

"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Gentoo is too hard for me". ;D ;)

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: ""Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Gentoo is too hard for me". ;D ;)" }-

Ouch! That hurt!

Gentoo=let's do it the hard way and compile EVERYTHING we put our computers from scratch.

Yes, we seem to have another Gentoo "snob" in our midst.

.... ;).

Later...

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "I know some people want to canonize Pres. Mandela, but that still doesn't make him an authority on the English language." }-

You first ask for proof. They give you proof from not only the Zulu dictionary, but from the team that put the OS together. That team has a right to pronounce it however they wish and with that being said it makes them the authority on it since they created the OS in the first place. You come up with excuse after excuse with no educated answer. Your just being a troll.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "You first ask for proof. They give you proof from not only the Zulu dictionary, but from the team that put the OS together. That team has a right to pronounce it however they wish and with that being said it makes them the authority on it since they created the OS in the first place. You come up with excuse after excuse with no educated answer. Your just being a troll." }-
I did NOT ask for "proof." I asked for an authoritative cite. So far, the only one that comes even close is the "Macmillan Dictionary." Not much of an authority.

Let's put it this way, it is not incorrect to pronounce the word "car' as "caahh," if you live in Boston. So, no matter how Africans pronounce the word "ubuntu," the OS name Ubuntu is correctly pronounced you bun tu. Now, if you want to claim that oo boon tu is also correct, you'll get no argument from me. My argument is with those who claim it is the correct pronunciation.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "I did NOT ask for "proof." I asked for an authoritative cite. So far, the only one that comes even close is the "Macmillan Dictionary." Not much of an authority.

Let's put it this way, it is not incorrect to pronounce the word "car' as "caahh," if you live in Boston. So, no matter how Africans pronounce the word "ubuntu," the OS name Ubuntu is correctly pronounced you bun tu. Now, if you want to claim that oo boon tu is also correct, you'll get no argument from me. My argument is with those who claim it is the correct pronunciation." }-

The authority on Ubuntu is developers of their own OS. They said how its pronounced yet you still make more excuses.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "The authority on Ubuntu is developers of their own OS. They said how its pronounced yet you still make more excuses." }-
Please cite the law granting them this authority. Accepted usage supercedes their wishes.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Please cite the law granting them this authority. Accepted usage supercedes their wishes." }-

They created the OS. They can name it and choose how to pronounce what they name it however they wish. That makes them the authority on their own OS which they are. Your logically reasoning and skills are lacking to say the least.

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "Please cite the law granting them this authority. Accepted usage supercedes their wishes." }-

If you won't grant the creators of Ubuntu as having the right to determine how their creation should be pronounced then there's really no point in continuing this discussion.

I'm requesting that a Moderator please close this thread.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "If you won't grant the creators of Ubuntu as having the right to determine how their creation should be pronounced then there's really no point in continuing this discussion.

I'm requesting that a Moderator please close this thread." }-

They could just ban the troll.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "If you won't grant the creators of Ubuntu as having the right to determine how their creation should be pronounced then there's really no point in continuing this discussion.

I'm requesting that a Moderator please close this thread." }-
Are you saying that Canonical has the right to tell the public how they shall pronounce the name?

Accepted usage has always been deemed proper pronunciation. Do you deny that?

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "Are you saying that Canonical has the right to tell the public how they shall pronounce the name?

" }-

Yes. They put it together and named it and it makes them the owner/authority on their OS. They have the right to tell you how it should be pronounced. Weather you follow it or not is up to you, but if you do not pronounce it the way they define your wrong in your pronunciation.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Yes. They put it together and named it and it makes them the owner/authority on their OS. They have the right to tell you how it should be pronounced. Weather you follow it or not is up to you, but if you do not pronounce it the way they define your wrong in your pronunciation." }-
And I say that's BS because accepted usage cannot be wrong. Canonical has the right to say how they want it to be pronounced but not abiding by their wishes does not make it wrong.

Our positions are obviously diametrically opposed. So any further discussion is pointless. Bye bye.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "And I say that's BS because accepted usage cannot be wrong. Canonical has the right to say how they want it to be pronounced but not abiding by their wishes does not make it wrong.

Our positions are obviously diametrically opposed. So any further discussion is pointless. Bye bye." }-

Its theirs, if its not pronounced that way its wrong.

Just like you name your children. You could want them named Joe, but spell it Bob. If you say their name is Joe thats what it is and how its pronounced regardless of accepted usage.

[phaedrus]

Can I ask those who say a certain pronunciation of Ubuntu is "wrong".
How do you pronounce the words "Paris" and "Mexico"? and are you "wrong" if you sound the "s" and the "x" according to your own languages way of interpreting those words?
In other words are you limiting this idea of absolute right and wrong just to the term "Ubuntu" or would this thinking apply globally to other words that are interpreted and pronounced differently in different languages?

[whitedragon551]

If you dont pronounce the way those countries founders say it should be your wrong.

[iceni60]

most of you are wrong in this thread, so i'll clear some things up for you :D

ubuntu is pronouced the way mark shuttleworth says it's pronounced, and cities are pronounced and spelled differently throughout the world i.e. Florence is Firenze in italian, london is londres in french, Cologne is Köln in german etc.

;D lol

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "most of you are wrong in this thread, so i'll clear some things up for you :D

ubuntu is pronouced the way mark shuttleworth says it's pronounced, and cities are pronounced and spelled differently throughout the world i.e. Florence is Firenze in italian, london is londres in french, Cologne is Köln in german etc.

;D lol" }-
But Paris is still Paris and Mexico is still Mexico. Only a pretensious a$$ would say paree when speaking English. Even Pres. Charles De Gaulle didn't do that.

[whitedragon551]

-{ Quote: "But Paris is still Paris and Mexico is still Mexico. Only a pretensious a$$ would say paree when speaking English. Even Pres. Charles De Gaulle didn't do that." }-

Or someone who has an education past 3rd grade and that can respect what the owner, name, creator, etc wants it called.

[ronjor]

Since we seem to be going in circles with no end in sight, we'll put this thread to sleep.