Kubuntu 9.10 awsome!

[Durad]

Did anybody tested Kubunty 9.10 beta?
I love it :)

[Ocky]

Did you by any chance run it on a dual-boot set-up - maybe seperate (two +)
hard drives with one of the OS using Legacy Grub ?
If so how did it go ? :)

[chronomatic]

I, too, find Kubuntu 9.10 very nice. However, there are a few bugs that need to be worked out (which is normal in a BETA release). As a result I have went back to Gentoo, and will probably stay here for a while.

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "Did you by any chance run it on a dual-boot set-up - maybe seperate (two +)
hard drives with one of the OS using Legacy Grub ?
If so how did it go ? :)" }-

Assuming Karmic was installed to the second disk and that during installation
Grub was not installed to the MBR but to Karmic's boot sector and that I have
Ubuntu Hardy on the first hard disk. Then I think I can use the old Grub
chainloader commands :-


(1st partition of the second disc sdb1)

root=(hd1,0)
chainloader +1
boot

If Grub was not installed to the Karmic boot sector, then one should run:
sudo grub-setup --force /dev/sdb1 (where sdb1 is Karmic's partition)
from within Karmic.* (Apparently Grub2 'complains' but does it.)

*But how to boot Karmic (ext4 fs) if one has Hardy/Jaunty ext3 fs. Grub1
cannot read ext4 fs. My Hardy on the first drive uses Legacy Grub and is ext3 fs,
so is it correct to say that I would not be able to direct boot Karmic in this case ?
Then I better make sure to install Grub2 to the Karmic boot sector and not to the MBR
when I decide to install Karmic.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Assuming Karmic was installed to the second disk and that during installation
Grub was not installed to the MBR but to Karmic's boot sector and that I have
Ubuntu Hardy on the first hard disk. Then I think I can use the old Grub
chainloader commands :-


(1st partition of the second disc sdb1)

root=(hd1,0)
chainloader +1
boot

If Grub was not installed to the Karmic boot sector, then one should run:
sudo grub-setup --force /dev/sdb1 (where sdb1 is Karmic's partition)
from within Karmic.* (Apparently Grub2 'complains' but does it.)

*But how to boot Karmic (ext4 fs) if one has Hardy/Jaunty ext3 fs. Grub1
cannot read ext4 fs. My Hardy on the first drive uses Legacy Grub and is ext3 fs,
so is it correct to say that I would not be able to direct boot Karmic in this case ?
Then I better make sure to install Grub2 to the Karmic boot sector and not to the MBR
when I decide to install Karmic." }-
I think you've got it right. Install grub2 to the Karmic boot sector and have grub, on the Hardy partition "chainload" to it. You must use the chainload command in grub or it won't work.

[NormanF]

The daily stream of updates on my Netbook Edition have stopped. Its as ready as ever once the general availability version is available next week. I had to install a few missing Jaunty libraries to get Ubuntuzilla and Kuickshow installed. Fast and stable!

[steve161]

Just installed the ubuntu rc, and it is running well. I can't speak for anyone else, but my laptop loves the .31 kernel. The one thing that gave me a little trouble was adding an acpi parameter to grub2. It turns out I had to go to /etc/default/grub and add it to the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".

[Windchild]

"Ubuntu 9.10 is awesome"

In short, yes, yes it is. :thumb: Once the stable is released, I'll be installing it for a couple of new Linux first timers that liked the way the beta felt and looked when I showed it to them. Ubuntu is great.

[lodore]

Ive just tryed ubuntu 9.10 in virtualbox and it does seem good.
I will install the final as a dualboot on eiether my laptop or desktop or maybe both.

[Sputnik]

@Durad
If you prefer an KDE orientated distribution I'd like to recommend openSUSE over Kubuntu. My experience is that Kubuntu lacks lots of (under the hood) polish. Please notice that lots of KDE developers are in a way connected to openSUSE or Novell.

You can follow the KDE developers this (http://www.kdedevelopers.org/) blog.

[chronomatic]

-{ Quote: "@Durad
If you prefer an KDE orientated distribution I'd like to recommend openSUSE over Kubuntu. My experience is that Kubuntu lacks lots of (under the hood) polish. Please notice that lots of KDE developers are in a way connected to openSUSE or Novell.

You can follow the KDE developers this (http://www.kdedevelopers.org/) blog." }-


I think Mandriva also has excellent KDE integration. Many people seem to think it is the best for KDE.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "@Durad
If you prefer an KDE orientated distribution I'd like to recommend openSUSE over Kubuntu. My experience is that Kubuntu lacks lots of (under the hood) polish. Please notice that lots of KDE developers are in a way connected to openSUSE or Novell.

You can follow the KDE developers this (http://www.kdedevelopers.org/) blog." }-
Topmost post talks about Kubuntu :argh:

[Sputnik]

@chronomatic
True, however Mandriva is too 'closed' in my opinion.

@Pedro
Yup but all from comrade Riddell alone. :P

@All
I'm not intending an distro flamewar since this kind of discussions often end in one. Though from a developers' point of view I think that the whole Ubuntu project is contributing too little to the community. This said I've to admit that Ubuntu itself is a worthy since it generated more public interest in Linux distributions in whole. Kubuntu however still is, in my opinion, just a hobbyist spin-off of Ubuntu. It's awful to see how much stuff is often broken or half-working in released Kubuntu versions. I do respect Riddell's enthusiasm but, again from my point of view, it does more harm then good to KDE (where end-users experience a lesser desktop experience then the used to have with Ubuntu).

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "@chronomatic
True, however Mandriva is too 'closed' in my opinion.

@Pedro
Yup but all from comrade Riddell alone. :P

@All
I'm not intending an distro flamewar since this kind of discussions often end in one. Though from a developers' point of view I think that the whole Ubuntu project is contributing too little to the community. This said I've to admit that Ubuntu itself is a worthy since it generated more public interest in Linux distributions in whole. Kubuntu however still is, in my opinion, just a hobbyist spin-off of Ubuntu. It's awful to see how much stuff is often broken or half-working in released Kubuntu versions. I do respect Riddell's enthusiasm but, again from my point of view, it does more harm then good to KDE (where end-users experience a lesser desktop experience then the used to have with Ubuntu)." }-
Hey Sputnik,
I do think that most distros just use stock KDE 4 and dont really bother to brand it. so its hard to tell which distro is used. it could be any linux distro.
the only proper branded kde imo is mandriva or opensuse. mandriva does all the desktop environments well imo.

fedora does some branding but it still feels more like a gnome / xfce distro.

[Sputnik]

@lodore
I'm not necessarily referring towards branding. It's more like 'putting things together in a proper way'. Arch (http://www.archlinux.org/) for example also uses a 'stock' KDE but puts this together in a very efficient way making things just work.

The added value of a distribution is that they combine several oss-projects in such a way that they 'just work' for the end-user. This indicated a whole other role then just compiling some sources and adding some branding.

[NormanF]

Suse and Mandriva/PCLOS are the two distributions noted for integrating their tools into KDE so it really functions as more of a unified OS. The very modularity of KDE however will ensure it will never look and feel exactly like Windows.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "@lodore
I'm not necessarily referring towards branding. It's more like 'putting things together in a proper way'. Arch (http://www.archlinux.org/) for example also uses a 'stock' KDE but puts this together in a very efficient way making things just work.

The added value of a distribution is that they combine several oss-projects in such a way that they 'just work' for the end-user. This indicated a whole other role then just compiling some sources and adding some branding." }-
my idea of branding includes integration of all the tools and thats why the distros i listed do very well in those areas.
sorry if i didnt make that clear.

[munckman]

Hi all,

All this Kubuntu stuff gets me dizzy. When it is available (9.10), what would be the optimal installation method of Kubuntu 9.10? There are choices. One seems safe and one seems optimal.:-\

Wubi Windows Install (http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download), seems at first glance, a non-threatening way to go but "I" wonder if it is a less desirable choice; as opposed to a dual booting installation. I'm thinking that a dual boot, Kubuntu would be the best experience but an install of Kubuntu as a Windows installation package is very attractive.

I think what I am trying to say is that "I want to try Kubuntu 9.10 but IT just scares me somehow." No, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense but that is where I'm at.

All sugestions will be appreciated... trust me.

I really want to try Kubuntu 9.10...:doubt: I'm just unsure as how to proceed I guess.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Hi all,

All this Kubuntu stuff gets me dizzy. When it is available (9.10), what would be the optimal installation method of Kubuntu 9.10? There are choices. One seems safe and one seems optimal.:-\

Wubi Windows Install (http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download), seems at first glance, a non-threatening way to go but "I" wonder if it is a less desirable choice; as opposed to a dual booting installation. I'm thinking that a dual boot, Kubuntu would be the best experience but an install of Kubuntu as a Windows installation package is very attractive.

I think what I am trying to say is that "I want to try Kubuntu 9.10 but IT just scares me somehow." No, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense but that is where I'm at.

All sugestions will be appreciated... trust me.

I really want to try Kubuntu 9.10...:doubt: I'm just unsure as how to proceed I guess." }-

well try it using the windows install method and if you like it report back and we can help you transition a smooth dualboot.

[Nick Rhodes]

I had a quick play before it froze on me (twice).
Looking a lot better, no graphical glitches from the taskbar and plasmoids like I got in 9.04.
I honestly think as a desktop its good, I just felt some of the apps Kmail, Konquer, Kontact just did not seem to meet my needs.
After I installed Firefox was a shame the install firefox menu item did not go away.
And as a liveCD seemed to run as quick as the Main Ubuntu 9.10 livecd, where I found 9.04 Kubuntu livecd was noticably slower, especially loading the desktop initially.

Cheers, Nick

[Eice]

Does anyone else here have a Broadcom wireless? Because Karmic is refusing to activate the restricted drivers on my laptop.

The oddest part is that wireless works PERFECTLY when I boot from LiveUSB. A shame, since my USB and speakers are now working properly without having to mess with any config files (unlike Jaunty).

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone else here have a Broadcom wireless? Because Karmic is refusing to activate the restricted drivers on my laptop.

The oddest part is that wireless works PERFECTLY when I boot from LiveUSB. A shame, since my USB and speakers are now working properly without having to mess with any config files (unlike Jaunty)." }-

This seems to work for a number of folks:-

1) Open Synaptic Pacakage Manager
2) Ensure 9.10 LiveCd is in CD drive
3) Settings > Repositories > Ubuntu Software
4) Check the installable from cd and close
5) Refresh
6) Search for "bcmwl-kernel-source"
7) Mark for installation
8>Install it
9) Reboot computer

[NormanF]

If you did an "in place" upgrade, all the settings should carry over to Karmic. I have a Dell Inspiron e1505 notebook and all I had to do upon reboot was activate the network manager.

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "This seems to work for a number of folks:-

1) Open Synaptic Pacakage Manager
2) Ensure 9.10 LiveCd is in CD drive
3) Settings > Repositories > Ubuntu Software
4) Check the installable from cd and close
5) Refresh
6) Search for "bcmwl-kernel-source"
7) Mark for installation
8>Install it
9) Reboot computer" }-
Thanks Ocky. I didn't have a LiveCD, so I installed the dkms, fakeroot, patch and bcmwl packages from my LiveUSB. Wireless worked perfectly upon reboot.

I must say this is the best version of Ubuntu I've tried yet; everything is working well so far! *fingers crossed* AMD even has a new version of their Catalyst drivers for my Radeon card that doesn't chainsaw GNOME off at the knees whenever I try to watch a video with Compiz enabled. ;D Let's hope this lasts...

[chronomatic]

-{ Quote: "@chronomatic
True, however Mandriva is too 'closed' in my opinion." }-

Explain.

-{ Quote: "I'm not intending an distro flamewar since this kind of discussions often end in one. Though from a developers' point of view I think that the whole Ubuntu project is contributing too little to the community. " }-

Yes. I saw one of the lead kernel developers criticize Canonical for this in one of his speeches. He said that, out of all of the major distros, Canonical contributes the LEAST to the kernel. Red Hat is #1 I think.

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "Explain." }-
In the old days you had the paid Mandrake Club who had influence on the development of Mandrake. From my point of view Mandriva always acted as a corporation and never like a foundation giving it a closed character. Therefore you can't really compare it with old foundations like Debian or newer foundations like openSUSE and Fedora.

-{ Quote: "Yes. I saw one of the lead kernel developers criticize Canonical for this in one of his speeches. He said that, out of all of the major distros, Canonical contributes the LEAST to the kernel. Red Hat is #1 I think." }-
Very true. Even though Ubuntu itself was a welcome addition in the Linux world they really need to contribute more in the near future.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "
I'm not intending an distro flamewar since this kind of discussions often end in one. " }-
Pfft, common Sputnik, everyone knows Suse sucks.

Seriously though, i think both Shuttleworth and Linux said something about this that pretty much ended that debate. I'll see if i can find that.

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "Seriously though, i think both Shuttleworth and Linux said something about this that pretty much ended that debate. I'll see if i can find that." }-
Shuttleworth and Linus (Torvalds) you mean?

You're right Pedro, openSUSE sucks and so do I ;D

[Pedro]

Nah, you don't suck. :)
Yes, but separate interviews of course. I don't think i'm going to find the Linus one though, i give up :-X

[Beavenburt]

Kubuntu as a good KDE distro has finally landed I feel. 9.10 is very good. I can see no reason why this now can't compete with Suse and Mandriva in the kde market. With kernel 2.6.31, ext4 and the brilliant new 4.3.2 Kubuntu just flies. There's a nice set of apps and generally feels right. I like packagekit, it was always quite slow and clunky in Fedora but this is quick, responsive and easy to navigate. You have all the usual suspects - k3b, amarok etc. Install opera and vlc and you have a beautiful, quick and relatively light qt desktop experience.
Ubuntu could do worse than swith to kde in future for the main distro. KDE4 has come of age.

[Longboard]

-{ Quote: "Ubuntu could do worse than swith to kde in future for the main distro." }-:o
:P
LOL

[Sputnik]

@Longboard
Gnome fan huh?! :P ;) Personally I like KDE4 simply because of the QT libraries. They're a bliss for our programmers and very well documented. Though I have to admit that the 4.0.x and 4.1.x releases were below standard, however with the current releases it should work at least as well like the 3.5.x versions.

[Durad]

They both works nice, however, KDE looks 10 times better than GNOME.

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "In the old days you had the paid Mandrake Club who had influence on the development of Mandrake. From my point of view Mandriva always acted as a corporation and never like a foundation giving it a closed character. Therefore you can't really compare it with old foundations like Debian or newer foundations like openSUSE and Fedora.
" }-
Triggered by the 2010 release of Mandriva I've been taking a look on their website and downloaded the (fully open-source) x64 Free DVD. Their internal organization seems better then the years before, although they're not an foundation I like their Cooker project.

You learn something everyday... :thumb: