NOD32 v3 or v4?

[berryracer]

Which one do your reckon is better and why?

I am currently using v4 and Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit

but would like to know if I should switch to v3?

[The Hammer]

Switch to 3? No. V4 as better rootkit and trojan detection as well as better cleanup. It also runs faster than 3 did on my old rig. It's just beter overall in my opinion.

[twl845]

V4 with the whirling eye wasn't faster for me, especially at startup. I had to sit through the scan which was painfully slow. I reverted back to v3. I'm using Win XP.

[chrcol]

never used v3, but v4 scans email noticebly slower than v2. When I had real time scanning turned on it also completely crippled windows update. I am going to test v2 real time scanning on another machine next month on windows update to see how that compares.

[ccomputertek]

-{ Quote: " When I had real time scanning turned on it also completely crippled windows update." }-

whats the problem ? who scans files directly from microsoft for viruses ? And who by now doesn't get it to temporarily disable antivirus during windows update or service pack install ? It's common sense ! I get people complaining all the time that their PC game that spans 3 cd's never install right on their computer, I have to do it for them and make sure antivirus is disabled before doing it and it works no problem.... whats the story here ? why are you still leaving on your antivirus during these actions,when it's been known for the last 15 years, to turn it off temporarily while doing so.

[chrcol]

the thing is, is it right to need to manually turn something on and off everytime you patch the operating system?

seems a better approach would be for eset to automatically exclude windows update files as reccomended by microsoft here.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158

I have no idea if that will help as I only just discovered the web link but will see next month when I run windows update.

[e36]

I had freezing problems (on two Vista Home Premium systems) with V4 and had to revert to V3.

I tried working with ESET by submitting the information they requested until I realized I was spending way too much time trying to fix 'their' software.

[Proactive Services]

It's not right to need to manually turn off the AV. Which would explain why you don't have to if using NOD32. I've installed hundreds of large games and other applications and many more patches and service packs with AV enabled on over 500 clients with all the different hardware and software of the rainbow and they've always worked perfectly.

[trjam]

version 4 by all means. Anything else is poppy-****.;)

[SmackyTheFrog]

v4 works fine and does a better job at keeping the few users that have admin rights on their desktop from killing off the AV service. Gets my vote.

[trjam]

I said this once and I will say it again. Eset is not on top and that is not what they want. I have no qualms in saying they will do what is right, to get this right. I actually expect for them to maintain a lean and mean suite while enhancing their protection. It kills me, 98 percent of the folks I know dont care about parental control when there is OpenDNS, dont care about if their browser settings are right, dont care about what most vendors are wasting their time on. HIPS, yes at least some type of. All they really care about is, Keep my computer safe and keep your mouth shut.8)

[JohnnyDollar]

V3 kept me from installing some winupdates last year. I disabled checking of potentially unwanted and unsafe applications and never had any more problems with winupdate after I did that. Ever since then I have kept that function turned off.

[ccomputertek]

-{ Quote: "whats the problem ? who scans files directly from microsoft for viruses ? And who by now doesn't get it to temporarily disable antivirus during windows update or service pack install ? It's common sense ! I get people complaining all the time that their PC game that spans 3 cd's never install right on their computer, I have to do it for them and make sure antivirus is disabled before doing it and it works no problem.... whats the story here ? why are you still leaving on your antivirus during these actions,when it's been known for the last 15 years, to turn it off temporarily while doing so." }-

While it is not mandatory to temporarily disable anti-virus during a huge install or for important things like service packs, due to just the nature of the way anti-virus programs work and how they can interfere with those processes, it is what I call " good practice " to temporarily disable at those times.

And to stick to the topic, I'm going to have to say NOD32 3.0, I have tried 4.0 and had no problems with it at all, but I just like 3.0 better and think 4.0 needs to mature a little bit more, But I will stay with 3.0 until they discontinue or start to make updates that no longer support earlier versions of NOD, which I hope they never do and they keep the program updates somewhat unified.

[jimwillsher]

Anyone tried the new V4 build on a server?

[SmackyTheFrog]

I run it on Exchange, a few major Oracle DB servers, and a few other infrastructure servers like WSUS and terminal services without a problem. I'm still upgrading from v3 and will do the DCs last, but no problems so far.

[jimwillsher]

It's the 4.0.667 I was meaning, not V4 in general. I was curious if the people experiencing problems with V4 on servers had tried 4.0.667.

Jim

[chrcol]

what I am curious about is what exactly is different between v2 and v3 and v4.

I get told v2 doesnt detect everything and that seems quite vague.

Even on the official website I see no comparison page for it.

[twl845]

The only difference between v3 and v4 that is obvious is the scan on boot up in v4. That little eye in the System tray icon whirls around for quite a long time before the scan is finally over and I can do something. Is there a way to eliminate that scan? I can't find a way looking at the advanced setup screen.:P

[Thankful]

-{ Quote: "The only difference between v3 and v4 that is obvious is the scan on boot up in v4. That little eye in the System tray icon whirls around for quite a long time before the scan is finally over and I can do something. Is there a way to eliminate that scan? I can't find a way looking at the advanced setup screen.:P" }-
Tools->Scheduler Did you try unchecking 'Automatic startup file check'?
However, this may not be recommended.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "Tools->Scheduler Did you try unchecking 'Automatic startup file check'?
However, this may not be recommended." }-
I'll check that out. Thanks for your input. :)

[MatDE]

-{ Quote: "The only difference between v3 and v4 that is obvious is the scan on boot up in v4. That little eye in the System tray icon whirls around for quite a long time before the scan is finally over and I can do something. Is there a way to eliminate that scan? I can't find a way looking at the advanced setup screen.:P" }-

I would believe that is the new function where NOD32 checks if you have all windows updates installed. Of course you can disable this somewhere. I just don't have it installed so can't help to find it.

[SmackyTheFrog]

-{ Quote: "The only difference between v3 and v4 that is obvious is the scan on boot up in v4. That little eye in the System tray icon whirls around for quite a long time before the scan is finally over and I can do something. Is there a way to eliminate that scan? I can't find a way looking at the advanced setup screen.:P" }-
Better integration in to the network stack on Vista/Win7, better self-protection to keep malicious stuff from removing/crippling your AV, improved rootkit detection. Saying it is just gui facelift is a painfully stupid over-simplification. If the systray icon bothers you so much, why don't you just tell Windows to autohide it?

[Stoner81]

Personally I like v4 now that I have tweaked it a lot and saved my settings in a xml file seperately. The startup scan and the scan after a db update is annoying so that got disabled. I also run SpywareBlaster, MalwareBytes and Spybot (ESS is the one in real time though). So got pretty good security I think there. It would be good to have some HIPS protection included (one reason why I like Outpost) I would also like a more configurable firewall similar to that of Outpost.

Overall though quite happy however, I would have preferred them to keep the GUI from v2 (was so much easier) and it is also a lot faster in general but hey you can't have everything :P

Peace!

Stoner81.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "Better integration in to the network stack on Vista/Win7, better self-protection to keep malicious stuff from removing/crippling your AV, improved rootkit detection. Saying it is just gui facelift is a painfully stupid over-simplification. If the systray icon bothers you so much, why don't you just tell Windows to autohide it?" }-
Apparently you don't retain what you read. I said "The only difference between v3 and v4 that is OBVIOUS is the scan on bootup in v4". I didn't even say it is just a GUI facelift. What bothers me is the 2 minute scan just after the icon appears, and I was just asking if anyone had a remedy. Other than that, I think v4 is smokin'. :(

[ccomputertek]

You can change what files are scanned on the startup scan schedule task, simply change that around to something other than what it's set for, or if you know your system is clean, then zap that task all together.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "You can change what files are scanned on the startup scan schedule task, simply change that around to something other than what it's set for, or if you know your system is clean, then zap that task all together." }-
Thanks for that suggestion. Can you point me to where that is in the Advanced setup? Maybe I'm blind. LOL I looked at Scheduler, but it says not to alter it. I guess that's not what you're referring to. :)

[ccomputertek]

just edit the startup scan task and get to the page where it says files to scan and change it to whatever way you want it.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "just edit the startup scan task and get to the page where it says files to scan and change it to whatever way you want it." }-
Ah, OK thanks.:)

[Phenom]

NOD32 V2 was the best, I remember when it would block any threats and was very light.

[beethoven]

-{ Quote: " That little eye in the System tray icon whirls around for quite a long time before the scan is finally over and I can do something. :P" }-

I just took the plunge to update from V3 to V4 and of course notice the whirling eye but why do you stop working? Seems to me that during this scan I can still open files or work if I am impatient.

[ccomputertek]

212591

[cappac]

"It’s on-demand scans [eg. startup scan] that people notice most,
and I recommend that people turn this feature off. There’s generally no
compelling reason to do a scan of your entire system, particularly if it’s
going to degrade performance. You might worry that you aren’t being
protected at all, but AV software is most effective running on-access
scans, meaning that the AV engine scans files right before you go to use
them. Malware can’t hurt your system if you don’t run it, so who cares if
it is lying dormant on your disk?"

(John Viega, Myths of Security)

-{ Quote: "NOD32 V2 was the best, I remember when it would block any threats and was very light." }-

With all the checks that an AV needs to conduct today and the vast amount of signatures plus the need to scan every file regardless of filetype the situation has changed.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "I just took the plunge to update from V3 to V4 and of course notice the whirling eye but why do you stop working? Seems to me that during this scan I can still open files or work if I am impatient." }-
I have been getting the scan at bootup, so I wasn't aware I could begin while it was scanning. Thanks for the tip. ;)

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "212591" }-
Hi, I found where to make the adjustments and scheduled the scan for once a day etc. Thanks again.:)

[jeffw_00]

I'm using 2.7 and just renewed for another 2 years, when I noticed there was a v3 and v4. I'm running WinXP SP3 and expect to continue to do so for quite a while. Is there any reason for me to upgrade? I like NOD because it does its thing and never bothers me (i.e., very light). I'm not an extreme surfer, keep my XP updates current, have an incoming firewall on my router and a protective "hosts" file as well. What will v3 or v4 gain me? Hopefully not a slower machine.

Thanks!
/j

[ccomputertek]

-{ Quote: "I'm using 2.7 and just renewed for another 2 years, when I noticed there was a v3 and v4. I'm running WinXP SP3 and expect to continue to do so for quite a while. Is there any reason for me to upgrade? I like NOD because it does its thing and never bothers me (i.e., very light). I'm not an extreme surfer, keep my XP updates current, have an incoming firewall on my router and a protective "hosts" file as well. What will v3 or v4 gain me? Hopefully not a slower machine.

Thanks!
/j" }-

NOD32 3.0 or 4.0 will do you right lol :blink:

It depends, your living in the past with the 2.7 interface, unless you still like windows 3.1 for workgroups, to each his own though, use what your comfortable with, you don't have to upgrade if it's giving you the protection you feel you need.The only time you will be " forced " to upgrade, is when they make definitions and modules that no longer support older versions, which Im sure i'm not alone in hoping thats something they never do.

[jeffw_00]

Well, I'm still using XP, but honestly never muck with NOD, so if 2.7 is fully functional I use the GUI so rarely that it's not worth my time to upgrade.

Thanks!
/j

[Marcos]

-{ Quote: "Well, I'm still using XP, but honestly never muck with NOD, so if 2.7 is fully functional I use the GUI so rarely that it's not worth my time to upgrade.
" }-

Even the fact that v3/v4 has better malware detection ratio and v4 cleans out resistant threats ain't reasons for upgrade?

[jeffw_00]

Well - that was my question, wasn't it? 8-} Atlhough, in re-reading the other answers more carefully, I can see that although no one said "you need to upgrade", no one said "you're not missing anything".

If indeed upgrading to 4.0 has only benefits and no drawbacks (not more intrusive, buggy, eats more CPU, etc), then I want to upgrade. Is this the case?

Thanks!
/j

[verktyg]

I agree with TWL845 about the slow startup scan issue.

The main complaint that I have with V4 and V3 is that there is no universal way to set how they handle cleaning. It has to be manually set in each module and you have to drill down through several non logical menus to find the cleaning setting page.

I like to be notified of any detected threat and given the option to handle it myself. Years ago, I had an AV program automatically delete an NT4 system file that hosed the whole setup!

Chas.

[chrcol]

v4 is slower than v2, v2 cant be beat it in terms of performance.

also v4 has ssl scanning for email and https however the https scanning is buggy and you lose the ability for your browser to see proper certs so I have that turned off.

v4 detects more and has self defense, however it seems a clear and defined comparison between v2 and v3/4 isnt available. Or if it is where is it?

[stratoc]

i think v2 was and will remain an awesome product, a product that maybe they should have continued to work on, the things added in v3/4 are pretty much eye candy, i have tested the self defense and have yet to find malware that this is protecting against, the start up scans and scans after updating are maybe overkill as it monitors all real time files anyway.
i feel that instead of trying to improve on the near perfect v2 they have instead tried to make a product more attractive to a wider ranger of people and at the end of the day they are a business i guess :-\

[chrcol]

stratoc I find myself agreeing with you.

An anti virus is for virus protection nothing more nothing less, I have yet to see a virus manage to shutdown my nod32 v2.7 which I was using for many years. When the question is asked the answer is always a vague v4 detects against more and I feel v2 could be made to detect against more with patches.

The main reason I switched to v4 was to ensure compatability as I am about to upgrade my windows to windows 7 on my desktop machine.

I am wondering why eset are now focusing on adding new protections rather than making v4 as fast as v2 was. The reason I ask this question is simple.

If a virus scanner is fast and can run without you noticing its there, then I will use that anti virus and have it turned on. If it affects the performance of my system I will turn it off and just rely on manual scans, a virus scanner that has lower detection rates but is faster in my case is better than one I have to turn off.

The newer 467 build of v4 seems faster than 437 so I hope eset are taking notice.

[rseiler]

I would suggest considering this memory leak before deciding on v4:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=243188