Prevx RC 3.0.4.191

[Baldrick]

3.0.4.191 installed here...and running well...but did not install automatically. Had to check for an update manually and say yes to download/install.

SafeOnline Browser Security option has had a major update...at least the GUI has...and I like it...although it looks a different to the olders elements of Prevx...so am presuming that it is showcasing a more widespread change in the GUI?

;D

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "3.0.4.191 installed here...and running well...but did not install automatically. Had to check for an update manually and say yes to download/install.

SafeOnline Browser Security option has had a major update...at least the GUI has...and I like it...although it looks a different to the olders elements of Prevx...so am presuming that it is showcasing a more widespread change in the GUI?

;D" }-

any screenshots of the new Safeweb GUI?

[rolarocka]

Yeah looks great:

[PrevxHelp]

Hello all,
We've now released the first update for Prevx RC1 - the details are the same as the older download:

32bit: http://info.prevx.com/download.asp?grab=edgebeta (ignore the "edgebeta" part of the URL - this download is RC1 )
64bit: http://info.prevx.com/download.asp?grab=edgebeta64 (the web security functionality is not 64bit compatible yet but there are significant improvements "under-the-hood" of Prevx for 64bit still)

We had Immunity Inc. review the technical proficiency of the secured browsing provided by Prevx in this document: http://pxnow.prevx.com/zeroL/SecureBrowserWhitePaper.pdf

You "can" upgrade your existing installation to this build but it will automatically disable the new browser security features so it may be best to uninstall and the install this build fresh to get a better feel for the functionality right out-of-the-box.

Current known issues/incompatibilities are:
- Incompatibility with Comodo
- Incompatibility with Sandboxie
- Incomplete Safari support
- Partial incompatibility with KeePass/KeeForm
- Incompatibility with BS Player PRO
- Conceptual incompatibility with screen readers
- Possible remaining issue with Opera v10 on XP
- Incompatibility with Keyboard Express and ShortKeys from Insight Software Solutions

This build fixes a number of issues and now the "Stop Protection" (or Stop Monitoring) button from the Prevx tray icon will allow you to suspend browser protect at any point so if you need to take screenshots, this should be a much easier way to take them of secured data.

You'll see a new configuration screen now, as well as streamlined protection behind the scenes which should make the user experience much more friendly.

Let me know if you find any issues and thank you again for the extensive testing! :)

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "
SafeOnline Browser Security option has had a major update...at least the GUI has...and I like it...although it looks a different to the olders elements of Prevx...so am presuming that it is showcasing a more widespread change in the GUI?" }-

Yes :) SafeOnline is using a new GUI design which we may end up including in Prevx 4.0. The bulk of the GUI will remain the same for the duration of Prevx 3.0 just for continuity purposes and to reduce any user confusion but we are planning some major improvements for 4.0 a bit further down the road :)

[Defenestration]

Problem when installing to non-default folder is confirmed fixed in this latest build. However, the UAC elevation prompt is displayed the first time you clicking on Options during install, rather than when the installation is about to take place.

Also, problem with web browser being brought to front after manual scan appears to be fixed. I will keep an eye on this though.

Will Web security make it into the 64-bit version soon ?

[sded]

Installed 3.0.4.191 and so far no issues, still detects badpx5.rar. Using with Opera 10 under Vista Ultimate SP2, will see how it goes. Turned on SafeOnline browser security.

[firzen771]

ill give this update a try

[Baldrick]

Hi Joe

Just been trying out the scenario where the when specific site protection is removed Prevx does not check to see if there is a generic rule, ie, http://* in the list for it to use/refer to. As detailed in the following post:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1536693&postcount=89

and as far as I can see it is still happening. Is this supposed to be fixed in the 191 release or is it still in the oven baking? Or could it be that unless I uninstall the 183 build and fresh install the 191 build the fix does not come into play.

Not sure what I am doing wrong here. ???

[dlimanov]

Joe,
I've been away for a little while and missed all the news. Congratulations, looks like a lot of good new stuff is making it way into v3.0.
Have few questions:
- Any word on the Enterprise version and when it's coming along?
- Do you intend to use other vendors' engines for the in-cloud scanning (similar to Hitman Pro's)?
- Is there a post or a document describing any major changes for v3.0, namely in detection techniques?
Thanks and again, congratulations!

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Problem when installing to non-default folder is confirmed fixed in this latest build. However, the UAC elevation prompt is displayed the first time you clicking on Options during install, rather than when the installation is about to take place." }-

Yes, this is a bit of an annoyance. Part of this is to ensure that we will have write access into the folder once we do try and install but I agree that it would be worth streamlining this down further :)

-{ Quote: "Also, problem with web browser being brought to front after manual scan appears to be fixed. I will keep an eye on this though." }-

Great :)

-{ Quote: "Will Web security make it into the 64-bit version soon ?" }-

We're waiting until we finish all of the rest of the functionality but it will be coming into the 64bit version as well - 32bit is the current priority, however.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Hi Joe

Just been trying out the scenario where the when specific site protection is removed Prevx does not check to see if there is a generic rule, ie, http://* in the list for it to use/refer to. As detailed in the following post:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1536693&postcount=89

and as far as I can see it is still happening. Is this supposed to be fixed in the 191 release or is it still in the oven baking? Or could it be that unless I uninstall the 183 build and fresh install the 191 build the fix does not come into play.

Not sure what I am doing wrong here. ???" }-

Could you try removing all of the current rules (or just uninstalling/reinstalling to 191)? That should reset the rules and present you with a new dialog which will let you configure it easier/more accurately.

If not, let me know and I'll see what went wrong :)

[Baldrick]

Hi Joe

I think that the Security Configuration slider option is really first class but I do think that it would be extremely useful to have an option on the slider called 'Custom' that if set opens up all the fields an allows the user to set their own combination of options as checked/ticked.

Alternatively, you could have the option (as an Advanced button) to open up the setting what ever the slider is set to and modifiy the slider selected settings by ticking/unticking the releavnt individual options...at at that point the slider is moved to the 'Custom' setting.

Or have a combination of both the above.

What do you think? Complicating things too much? ;D

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Joe,
I've been away for a little while and missed all the news. Congratulations, looks like a lot of good new stuff is making it way into v3.0.
Have few questions:
- Any word on the Enterprise version and when it's coming along?" }-

The next Enterprise version should be out in the next few weeks - we won't be supporting the secure browser out-of-the-box in Enterprise just yet but will be soon.

-{ Quote: "- Do you intend to use other vendors' engines for the in-cloud scanning (similar to Hitman Pro's)?" }-

No, all of our detection is in-house and have no intentions of leveraging other vendor's scanning (Hitman Pro uses our engine as one of their scanners).

-{ Quote: "- Is there a post or a document describing any major changes for v3.0, namely in detection techniques?" }-

A whitepaper describing the new web protection via tests done by Immunity Ltd can be viewed here: http://pxnow.prevx.com/zeroL/SecureBrowserWhitePaper.pdf

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Hi Joe

I think that the Security Configuration slider option is really first class but I do think that it would be extremely useful to have an option on the slider called 'Custom' that if set opens up all the fields an allows the user to set their own combination of options as checked/ticked.

Alternatively, you could have the option (as an Advanced button) to open up the setting what ever the slider is set to and modifiy the slider selected settings by ticking/unticking the releavnt individual options...at at that point the slider is moved to the 'Custom' setting.

Or have a combination of both the above.

What do you think? Complicating things too much? ;D" }-

We've moved to the slider bar from the individual settings because the settings all go hand-in-hand with each other (i.e. it isn't possible to have solid browser addon isolation without browser memory protection). We've placed the options in such a sequence so that reducing protection by one level only disables the protection which is dependent on the higher levels.

I agree that the old screen was much more "advanced configuration friendly" but this new screen should reduce potential incompatibilities and dramatically reduce user confusion/insecurity if they untick the wrong combination of boxes.

Let me know if you have any other thoughts/questions on this :)

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "Could you try removing all of the current rules (or just uninstalling/reinstalling to 191)? That should reset the rules and present you with a new dialog which will let you configure it easier/more accurately.

If not, let me know and I'll see what went wrong :)" }-
Hi Joe

Removed all the default rules...so that the option showed as effectively switched off on the main GUI. Closed down the browser and then restarted it. Clicked the Add button in the option which added in the HTTPS & HTTPre-alted rules automatically and then clsoed the option. The Tab on Wilders was still BLUE. Added a site specific protection as before and Tab went GREEN. Removed the site specific protection agains as before and the Tab went back to BLUE.

What am I doing wrong here. ???

[firzen771]

Yet again ive lost all internet connection

[dlimanov]

Joe,
Is there a mailing list to subscribe to get notified when PrevxE is released?
Documentation says v3.5 in it, download says 3.0.4.xxx, what's the correct current version?
Lastly, does the app still invoke BSOD as a method to unload modules for cleaning, when it's unable to do so safely?
Thanks!

[dlimanov]

P.S. Sorry if this has been asked, but is Opera supported for secure browsing plug-in? Currently, Opera 10 build 1750 seems to load the Prevx tab but 90% of the time pages do not load altogether or take a very long time.

[firzen771]

well after several reboots it seems my internet works now :-\ strange...

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "P.S. Sorry if this has been asked, but is Opera supported for secure browsing plug-in? Currently, Opera 10 build 1750 seems to load the Prevx tab but 90% of the time pages do not load altogether or take a very long time." }-

Opera should be supported properly but we've had a few complaints about compatibility. We'll look into this closer but in the meantime, could you save a scan log (by clicking Tools > Save Scan Results) and send it to report@prevxresearch.com? This could expedite our diagnosis if we find anything obvious in there.

Thanks!

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "well after several reboots it seems my internet works now :-\ strange..." }-

Hmm... :-\ Had you blocked a website at all or did this happen directly after installing the new version?

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Joe,
Is there a mailing list to subscribe to get notified when PrevxE is released?
Documentation says v3.5 in it, download says 3.0.4.xxx, what's the correct current version?" }-

We downgraded our version number back to 3.0.4.xxx from 3.5 to save user confusion with the 3.0 branding. The official released version will be 3.0.5.x, not 3.5.0.x.

-{ Quote: "Lastly, does the app still invoke BSOD as a method to unload modules for cleaning, when it's unable to do so safely?
Thanks!" }-

In rare cases, yes, a BSOD may be required to clean the system but this is primarily just to clean the MBR rootkit which exists below the OS level so we need to perform some harsh measures to remove it properly.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Hi Joe

Removed all the default rules...so that the option showed as effectively switched off on the main GUI. Closed down the browser and then restarted it. Clicked the Add button in the option which added in the HTTPS & HTTPre-alted rules automatically and then clsoed the option. The Tab on Wilders was still BLUE. Added a site specific protection as before and Tab went GREEN. Removed the site specific protection agains as before and the Tab went back to BLUE.

What am I doing wrong here. ???" }-

I *think* the behavior you're describing is correct. By default, the HTTP protection results in a blue tab - if you click the "Configuration for all HTTP websites", you can move the slider bar to increase the protection generically (no need to add an http://* rule anymore).

Adding the rule and then removing it should bring it back to blue as you experienced, but let me know if you're expecting something different :)

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "We've moved to the slider bar from the individual settings because the settings all go hand-in-hand with each other (i.e. it isn't possible to have solid browser addon isolation without browser memory protection). We've placed the options in such a sequence so that reducing protection by one level only disables the protection which is dependent on the higher levels.

I agree that the old screen was much more "advanced configuration friendly" but this new screen should reduce potential incompatibilities and dramatically reduce user confusion/insecurity if they untick the wrong combination of boxes.

Let me know if you have any other thoughts/questions on this :)" }-
I can go with that. Seems logical and well thought out! ;)

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Hmm... :-\ Had you blocked a website at all or did this happen directly after installing the new version?" }-

directly after installing, the internet cut out, then i rebooted and internet was still gone, then continued to reboot a couple times and the internet worked again :-\

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "directly after installing, the internet cut out, then i rebooted and internet was still gone, then continued to reboot a couple times and the internet worked again :-\" }-

Just to clarify (as this is definitely an important issue to get fixed), was the internet not working properly in general or just in your web browser?

And, is your setup still the same one in your signature (so that we can try reproducing it internally)? One final question: which build of Windows 7 are you using?

Thanks :) and sorry for the internet headaches :-[

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "I *think* the behavior you're describing is correct. By default, the HTTP protection results in a blue tab - if you click the "Configuration for all HTTP websites", you can move the slider bar to increase the protection generically (no need to add an http://* rule anymore).

Adding the rule and then removing it should bring it back to blue as you experienced, but let me know if you're expecting something different :)" }-
Hi Joe

Yes, now all HTTP sites protected (with the configuration for HTTP at the default settings, ie, Low) show a BLUE Tab & Excalmation Mark. But if you change to Medium or higher then they show a GREEN Tab & Tick.

I suppose that there has to be a changepoint between BLUE & GREEN but if you have one between Low & Medium what about ones to indicate the other security levels. What about:

Off: RED with Exclamation Mark

(I notice that even with the fucntionality switched Off the current Tab = BLUE...is that correct?)

Detection Only: AMBER with Exclamation Mark
Low: BLUE with 'L' as the character displayed
Medium: BLUE with 'M' as the character displayed
High: GREEN with 'H' as the character displayed
Maximum: GREEN with TICK as the character displayed

Or something similar that would give the user a quick visual indication of status otherwise.

Or am I complicating things again? :argh: :argh:

BTW - position of the Tab in FF is now in the panel Title Bar rather than obscuring other options in the Tool Bars...so that seems to be fixed now. :thumb:

[Baldrick]

Just thought of this one to follow up/extend my previous suggestion.

Alternatively or in addition to that previously suggested what about adding a 'Potection Level' entry to the Tab dropdown that picks up the Slider-setting in force for the policy/rule being applied to the website?

Perhaps I should shut up now and get some sleep. :-X

[jlitex]

Add to the list of problem software for the new release candidates Keyboard Express and ShortKeys from Insight Software Solutions. Both worked fine with the current non-Beta versions on my two XP SP3 machines but will not function at all under the Betas.

This does not appear to be related to the new browser protection, but the blocking of keyboard hooks in general. Thanks.

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "Add to the list of problem software for the new release candidates Keyboard Express and ShortKeys from Insight Software Solutions. Both worked fine with the current non-Beta versions on my two XP SP3 machines but will not function at all under the Betas.

This does not appear to be related to the new browser protection, but the blocking of keyboard hooks in general. Thanks." }-
Specific site set-up, HTTPS or HTTP?

Have you tried playing with the security configuration slider for the policy used?

[Triple Helix]

Working very well with a clean install of .191 :thumb: Keep up the good work!

TH

[jlitex]

-{ Quote: "Specific site set-up, HTTPS or HTTP?

Have you tried playing with the security configuration slider for the policy used?" }-
Yes, I've completely disabled all browser protection and still no go on any Web site. They do function normally to a local program such as Word, etc., but not on any Web site.

[rolarocka]

I use 10.10 Beta Build 1778 and no https website seems to work. After visiting https the network is off for Opera. A few seconds later i get an error saying "The bookmarks.adr could not be written". After quitting Opera the custom toolbars are reset to default. But no cpu probs here anymore.
Is the official Opera 10 build working wihout problems? Thx

edit: https only works if set to "Low" setting.

[Romagnolo1973]

Hi Joe, 2 questions:
1) What is exactly the incompatibility with Comodo CIS? I use it and it semmes working well. I talk with Marco (eraser) about a problem under proxy UltraSurf , is that the problem?
2) Safe Online doesn't work under 64bit ok, but previus RC even if Web Browser Protection daesn't appear on the screen for configure it, seems working on surfing net (the blue/green logo apears on the top of the page) with this new RC it doesn't appear, alias it doesn't work totaly ?
Thanks

[Heco]

Quote:Originally Posted by Heco
Quote:Originally Posted by Heco
Site loading in FF or IE or Opera has become slower.
Can't use my registry cleaners any more (Ace Utilities or RegMechanic for example).

PrevxHelp wrote :
-{ Quote: "There should be no impact on browsing speed - our interception happens outside of the normal chain of website loading so we don't drag down any aspect of browsing.

Blocking cookie cleaners, however, is a known issue (we protect cookies to prevent them from being stolen by malware which indirectly may block cookie cleanup tools).

Thank you for the feedback!" }------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello PrevxHelp :-),

There is a misunderstanding somewhere LOL!
I was not referring to the cookie cleaner but the REGISTRY cleaner integrated in ACE Utilities...
I like this module that many members of the Wilders Community use to get rid of leftovers after the bad uninstallation of a software.
Last night i did a full clean uninstall of RC 3.0.4.182 and then used the REG cleaner module of ACE (this time it worked like a charm...as before) before installing Prevx RC 3.0.4.183. Afterwards, i ran Ace and once again it kept scanning my registry in vain...
IMHO, there is an incompatibility with ACE but not with TuneUP Utilities or CCleaner!
Would you mind investigating and checking why Ace or its clone "System TuneUP" doesn't play fair with PrevX RC?
Thanks.

Cheers,
Herve


-{ Quote: "Ah good catch Indeed I misinterpreted your post! I'll get our internal QA onto testing System TuneUp/ACE's Reg cleaner are unable to function properly ASAP


Thanks for the clarification!" }-
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Joe :-)

Sorry for my outspokenness... but... the problem with the REG cleaner module in Ace Utilities is not yet solved with this RC...despite what you wrote above.
Disappointed to see that you have not kept your word.
Maybe in a next release...you will take into account this bug.

Cheers anyway,
Herve

EDIT:
No offence intended although my remark may seem hard. Congrats for this new build. But now i'm back to the official version..

[Triple Helix]

Good to see that NOD32 is not flagging this RC .191 at all! I removed all the exclusions!

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=252683

TH

[Heco]

Thanks Bubba for changing my post into a crystal clear text :-). Sorry for the inconvenience!

Cheers,
Herve

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Sorry for my outspokenness... but... the problem with the REG cleaner module in Ace Utilities is not yet solved with this RC...despite what you wrote above.
Disappointed to see that you have not kept your word.
Maybe in a next release...you will take into account this bug.

Cheers anyway,
Herve

EDIT:
No offence intended although my remark may seem hard. Congrats for this new build. But now i'm back to the official version.." }-

We have been unable to reproduce any further issues with Ace Utilities. If you could describe what issues you are still experiencing and on what OS/setup they are occurring on, that would be very helpful :)

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Hi Joe, 2 questions:
1) What is exactly the incompatibility with Comodo CIS? I use it and it semmes working well. I talk with Marco (eraser) about a problem under proxy UltraSurf , is that the problem?
2) Safe Online doesn't work under 64bit ok, but previus RC even if Web Browser Protection daesn't appear on the screen for configure it, seems working on surfing net (the blue/green logo apears on the top of the page) with this new RC it doesn't appear, alias it doesn't work totaly ?
Thanks" }-

1) There is an intermittent issue in realtime protection on some setups with the new release candidate (build .183 and higher) which will be solved in the next update.

2) We've removed the logo from the browser - it was there incorrectly in the previous build as all of the protection is not yet ported to 64bit.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "I use 10.10 Beta Build 1778 and no https website seems to work. After visiting https the network is off for Opera. A few seconds later i get an error saying "The bookmarks.adr could not be written". After quitting Opera the custom toolbars are reset to default. But no cpu probs here anymore.
Is the official Opera 10 build working wihout problems? Thx

edit: https only works if set to "Low" setting." }-

Hello,
Could you please send a scan log to report@prevxresearch.com ? I suspect this is being caused because of it being a new version of Opera which may have untrusted browser components that we are blocking.

Thanks :)

[dlimanov]

Tested new Prevx at home and oddly enough Opera works like a champ with secure browsing. The only two things that are different between work and home are:
- we use proxy at work
- Prevx on machine at work was upgraded vs clean install at home
Could these things cause the weirdness me and others are seeing with Opera 10 on XP?

[Page42]

-{ Quote: "3.0.4.191 installed here...and running well..." }-
What's the story with MailWasher Pro, Baldrick? Has the issue we discussed in the previous RC been fixed? Thanks! :)

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Tested new Prevx at home and oddly enough Opera works like a champ with secure browsing. The only two things that are different between work and home are:
- we use proxy at work
- Prevx on machine at work was upgraded vs clean install at home
Could these things cause the weirdness me and others are seeing with Opera 10 on XP?" }-

They indeed could affect it - could you let me know what build of Opera you're using? Opera has been releasing a number of new versions lately and it may be that we aren't updated with the newest ones yet.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Just thought of this one to follow up/extend my previous suggestion.

Alternatively or in addition to that previously suggested what about adding a 'Potection Level' entry to the Tab dropdown that picks up the Slider-setting in force for the policy/rule being applied to the website?" }-

We had thought of adding this initially but felt it may over complicate the interface of the dropdown (as 99% of users will never deviate from the default settings).

-{ Quote: "
Off: RED with Exclamation Mark

(I notice that even with the fucntionality switched Off the current Tab = BLUE...is that correct?)" }-

It isn't correct :) We will have this fixed in the next build :)

-{ Quote: "Detection Only: AMBER with Exclamation Mark
Low: BLUE with 'L' as the character displayed
Medium: BLUE with 'M' as the character displayed
High: GREEN with 'H' as the character displayed
Maximum: GREEN with TICK as the character displayed" }-

I will forward these suggestions onto our graphic designer to see what we could do to make it more logical. Ironically, the icon in the shield is the letter I, not an exclamation point - but everyone thinks it is an exclamation point so I think we do need to work on clarifying it :)

Thank you for the suggestions :thumb:

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Yes, I've completely disabled all browser protection and still no go on any Web site. They do function normally to a local program such as Word, etc., but not on any Web site." }-

I've added them to the incompatible list - I'll have to take a closer look as to what they're doing at a low level but will let you know what we find :)

[dlimanov]

-{ Quote: "They indeed could affect it - could you let me know what build of Opera you're using? Opera has been releasing a number of new versions lately and it may be that we aren't updated with the newest ones yet." }-

Version
10.00

Build
1750

As far as proxy support, is it available for secure browsing? Things can get tricky with squid..

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Version
10.00

Build
1750

As far as proxy support, is it available for secure browsing? Things can get tricky with squid.." }-

It should be as long as you have the normal Prevx scanning configured to run through the proxy. However, I'm not sure how much testing we've done between a proxy/the secure browser - we will double check this shortly :)

[simmikie]

-{ Quote: "I use 10.10 Beta Build 1778 and no https website seems to work. After visiting https the network is off for Opera. A few seconds later i get an error saying "The bookmarks.adr could not be written". After quitting Opera the custom toolbars are reset to default. But no cpu probs here anymore.
Is the official Opera 10 build working wihout problems? Thx

edit: https only works if set to "Low" setting." }-

not for me. i get the blue icon with Opera 10 from minimum slider setting to maximum. i have not used my FF or IE8 browsers yet.

personally i expect better stability from an RC.

EDIT: Joe I hope you are still around! after i wrote this post i closed Opera 10 build 1750, and opened up FF 3.0.14 i believe, and i just happened to look at the DFW taskbar icon and noticed it indicating 3 untrusted processes running! since nothing else was running i opened DFW up and went to the untrusted processes list, and low and behold there are 2 Prevx processes running untrusted!! why 2 i don't know, but i am guessing when you remotely dled the new version it wasn't changed from untrusted to trusted. i am going to uninstall and reinstall Prevx, after i change the installers DFW status, but i am going to need you to work your registry magic for the Comodo incompatibility.

Mike

[BrendanK.]

Hi Joe. I am still getting an error. It seems to come up when Prevx is analyzing results or if I cancel the scan.

Error log attached again.

[pegas]

-{ Quote: "We had Immunity Inc. review the technical proficiency of the secured browsing provided by Prevx in this document: http://pxnow.prevx.com/zeroL/SecureB...WhitePaper.pdf" }-

Is it only me I can't get to that webpage. It reverts with The page cannot be found. Can somebody authenticate the link?

[rolarocka]

I think its this link:
http://pxnow.prevx.com/zeroL/SecureBrowserWhitePaper.pdf

[pegas]

-{ Quote: "I think its this link:
http://pxnow.prevx.com/zeroL/SecureBrowserWhitePaper.pdf" }-

Thx a lot. That's correct link :thumb:

[rolarocka]

I cant print with Prevx installed. I need to uninstall Prevx (and reboot) to be able to print. I noticed this yesterday too with the previous beta. Thank god i dont need to print much :)
Its a usb "hp psc 1100" printer.

edit: back to V.3.0.1.65 and printing works again.

[Dark Star 72]

Joe,
There seems to be an issue of sorts using bld191 with Online Armor. When programs are run under "Run Safer" in OA they have a green border round them. If you also run Sandboxie with OA no green border appears on the internet facing apps as Sandboxie overrides the Web Shield although the apps are still running with Reduced Rights. Also there are no prompts from OA for ActiveX with Sanboxie installed.
I am now running OA with bld191 (no Sandboxie) and seeing the exact same behavior as seen with OA and Sandboxie. This would suggest that the Secure Browsing is overriding OA Web Shield as well. There may also be an issue with sites blocked in the firewall loading, I have had it happen once but rebooted and cannot reproduce it at the moment.
The Secure Browser tab is present and working normally and seems to not be affected.
Let me know if you want a scan log or not.

[sded]

I am running Opera 10 and FF 3.5.1 with Prevx 191 and OA 3.5.0.47 and get the usual green run safer border as well as the Prevx tab. In the case of Opera, the tab doesn't do anything (no fields are filled in), but FF seems to work correctly. Update: Opera seems to work OK if I disable the Opera fraud protection and then restart Opera. Keeps working when I re-enable and restart again.

[Dark Star 72]

I am running FF 3.5.3 and OA++ 3.5.0.32.
I have the green border around WMP, Words and Foxit so it is working, just doesn't appear on the browser.
Will uninstall Prevx later, check for the green border and then reinstall to see if that makes any difference.

[Dark Star 72]

Have just removed Prevx 191, green Run Safer borders on browser etc. Reinstalled Prevx 191, no green borders on the browser ???

[sded]

Have you tried turning run safer off and on and restarting FF? I happened to do that when I was upgrading FF, but didn't seem to make any difference to Opera.

[LagerX]

https browsing bug while NIS 2010 is running is fixed.
Will test further :)

[Dark Star 72]

-{ Quote: "Have you tried turning run safer off and on and restarting FF? I happened to do that when I was upgrading FF, but didn't seem to make any difference to Opera." }-

Just tried that and no difference.

[dlimanov]

Anyone noticed very slow flash video load times with Safe Browsing enabled? I'm talking YouTube and the like, loading 3-5% and then never finishing? Tried in both Opera and IE, the moment I disable SB and restart the browser, it loads almost immediately.

[sded]

More flaky results. Two computers with same version of Prevx, OA, etc. Opera works fine with Prevx on one with Ultimate, nothing on tab filled in with one with Home Premium, with or without Opera Fraud Protection enabled.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "not for me. i get the blue icon with Opera 10 from minimum slider setting to maximum. i have not used my FF or IE8 browsers yet.

personally i expect better stability from an RC." }-

We don't completely support Opera/Chrome/Safari yet which is why there are some issues on some PCs. Frankly, Opera has less of a userbase than 64bit so we shouldn't even be considering it until finishing 64bit but we're doing it a bit out of order to support the bulk of the Opera users :)

-{ Quote: "EDIT: Joe I hope you are still around! after i wrote this post i closed Opera 10 build 1750, and opened up FF 3.0.14 i believe, and i just happened to look at the DFW taskbar icon and noticed it indicating 3 untrusted processes running! since nothing else was running i opened DFW up and went to the untrusted processes list, and low and behold there are 2 Prevx processes running untrusted!! why 2 i don't know, but i am guessing when you remotely dled the new version it wasn't changed from untrusted to trusted. i am going to uninstall and reinstall Prevx, after i change the installers DFW status, but i am going to need you to work your registry magic for the Comodo incompatibility." }-

I'll send you over a script to correct the incompatibility :)

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "I cant print with Prevx installed. I need to uninstall Prevx (and reboot) to be able to print. I noticed this yesterday too with the previous beta. Thank god i dont need to print much :)
Its a usb "hp psc 1100" printer.

edit: back to V.3.0.1.65 and printing works again." }-

Could you clarify if printing only doesn't work from the web browser or is it broken elsewhere on the system?

If you're available later today or tomorrow, I'd be very interested in trying to diagnose this problem remotely :)

Thanks for the help!

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Have just removed Prevx 191, green Run Safer borders on browser etc. Reinstalled Prevx 191, no green borders on the browser ???" }-

I suspect this is a conceptual incompatibility between Prevx and OA. I'll see what we can do to solve it but you may need to turn down Prevx protection to allow OA to load into the browser.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "More flaky results. Two computers with same version of Prevx, OA, etc. Opera works fine with Prevx on one with Ultimate, nothing on tab filled in with one with Home Premium, with or without Opera Fraud Protection enabled." }-

Could you save a scan log and send it to report@prevxresearch.com ? There may be a few different issues with Opera currently and we're working on getting a handle on where the issues lie.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Anyone noticed very slow flash video load times with Safe Browsing enabled? I'm talking YouTube and the like, loading 3-5% and then never finishing? Tried in both Opera and IE, the moment I disable SB and restart the browser, it loads almost immediately." }-

Hello,
Could you save a scan log and send it to report@prevxresearch.com? That should let us get an idea of where the problems lie :)

Thanks!

[dlimanov]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
Could you save a scan log and send it to report@prevxresearch.com? That should let us get an idea of where the problems lie :)

Thanks!" }-

Thanks Joe! Anything special I need to put in the subject and/or body?

[sded]

Sent. :)

[Dark Star 72]

-{ Quote: "I suspect this is a conceptual incompatibility between Prevx and OA. I'll see what we can do to solve it but you may need to turn down Prevx protection to allow OA to load into the browser." }-

Just tried turning Prevx protection down to minimum but it didn't make any difference.

[Romagnolo1973]

X Joe
this time I talk about an incompatibility even if not so important or just an explication.
Usin Irfanview (free picture viewer) I can't capture a screenshot, this is if SafeOnline is On and set to maximum but the same appens with SafeOnline set Low on Fttp & fttps, just putting SafeOnline off clicking the on/off button solve the problem. Been Irfanview a program and not an fttp or fttps, SafeOnline not only provide protection on web but even on pc program grabbing screen, it's correct this or is a bug?
Making CTRL+Stamp SafeOnline set to maximum allert you , with irfanview not.
I know is not so important, but is for understand

Other thigs: If we set off the bar on fttp or fttps or toghether, SafeOnline stil remaining green saying ON on the top of the same screen, I think is not so good, i think is better if the color is for example orange alias SafeOnline is on but your configuration is not recommended, or blue like the prevx logo on browser waiting your configuration

Thank Joe

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "Have just removed Prevx 191, green Run Safer borders on browser etc. Reinstalled Prevx 191, no green borders on the browser ???" }-

I'm getting the same here, the green Runsafer borders are missing on Firefox 3.5.3 and IE 8. Everything else has the Runsafer borders...interesting...:o :)

[dlimanov]

-{ Quote: "X Joe
this time I talk about an incompatibility even if not so important or just an explication.
Usin Irfanview (free picture viewer) I can't capture a screenshot, this is if SafeOnline is On and set to maximum but the same appens with SafeOnline set Low on Fttp & fttps, just putting SafeOnline off clicking the on/off button solve the problem. Been Irfanview a program and not an fttp or fttps, SafeOnline not only provide protection on web but even on pc program grabbing screen, it's correct this or is a bug?
Making CTRL+Stamp SafeOnline set to maximum allert you , with irfanview not.
I know is not so important, but is for understand

Other thigs: If we set off the bar on fttp or fttps or toghether, SafeOnline stil remaining green saying ON on the top of the same screen, I think is not so good, i think is better if the color is for example orange alias SafeOnline is on but your configuration is not recommended, or blue like the prevx logo on browser waiting your configuration

Thank Joe" }-

I'm pretty sure this is a functionality and not a bug. Preventing taking a snapshot of an active browser window is part of keylogger protection, as the methods are pretty similar. See if you can disable this in your custom settings for SafeOnline and test again. In either case, with palin Alt+PrntScrn, Prevx is asking if you want to allow the screenshot to be taken; don't know if this is the case with Irfanview, SnagIt and the like.

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "I'm pretty sure this is a functionality and not a bug. Preventing taking a snapshot of an active browser window is part of keylogger protection, as the methods are pretty similar. See if you can disable this in your custom settings for SafeOnline and test again. In either case, with palin Alt+PrntScrn, Prevx is asking if you want to allow the screenshot to be taken; don't know if this is the case with Irfanview, SnagIt and the like." }-

Yes, dlimanov is correct - we block screengrabbers from viewing screen contents and we currently do not support background screengrabbers, even with lowered protection. However, you can use Alt+Print Screen/Print Screen to take screenshots (after receiving a prompt).

Alternatively, just using "Stop Protection" will allow you to take screenshots on any website (and is probably the easiest way if you're looking to take a number of screenshots with secured websites open).

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "
Other thigs: If we set off the bar on fttp or fttps or toghether, SafeOnline stil remaining green saying ON on the top of the same screen, I think is not so good, i think is better if the color is for example orange alias SafeOnline is on but your configuration is not recommended, or blue like the prevx logo on browser waiting your configuration" }-

I agree :) We will be changing this in the next version. Thank you for the suggestion!

[Mongol]

O.K. something has happened, my Online Armor RunSafer green border is back...:blink: :o ??? 8)

[PrevxHelp]

Hello all,
To everyone who has been having printer problems - we found the source and have corrected it.

We'll be releasing a new build either this evening or by tomorrow which will fix this and a handful of more subtle compatibility issues.

Thank you all for your testing!

[dlimanov]

Joe,
Can you elaborate on "IP Not Verified" in SafeOnline? What exactly does or doesn't it verify?
Also, are there any plans on checking for Trusted CAs in HTTPS examination?
Thanks as always!

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Joe,
Can you elaborate on "IP Not Verified" in SafeOnline? What exactly does or doesn't it verify?
Also, are there any plans on checking for Trusted CAs in HTTPS examination?
Thanks as always!" }-

"IP Not Verified" is the default position. Behind the scenes, Prevx is verifying and cross-referencing the IP addresses/DNS servers of popular websites to determine if the website you're going to is a compromised website or if it has been redirected by a "Man in the Middle"-style attack.

IP Not Verified doesn't mean that the website is any less secure, it just means that either the website has massive loadbalancing implemented (where we would see thousands of IPs for a specific website) or it is taking longer to analyze each domain (generally a response will come back for a brand new website in less than 2 minutes but it can take longer in some cases).

Checking the CA for certificates is on our list of possible additions but most browsers already do this and we don't want to duplicate functionality which already exists.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

[s4u]

testing it with several browsers and AV's here.
So far so good

[Baldrick]

Prevx RC 3.0.4.195...installed and running well here...at first glance (boring I know but thats the way I like it ;) )

Can't comment on the printer-related problem that this is supposed to fix as I have never suffered from it. :P

Cheers



Balders

[s4u]

testing 195 as well

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: ""IP Not Verified" is the default position. Behind the scenes, Prevx is verifying and cross-referencing the IP addresses/DNS servers of popular websites to determine if the website you're going to is a compromised website or if it has been redirected by a "Man in the Middle"-style attack.

IP Not Verified doesn't mean that the website is any less secure, it just means that either the website has massive loadbalancing implemented (where we would see thousands of IPs for a specific website) or it is taking longer to analyze each domain (generally a response will come back for a brand new website in less than 2 minutes but it can take longer in some cases).

Checking the CA for certificates is on our list of possible additions but most browsers already do this and we don't want to duplicate functionality which already exists.

Let me know if you have any other questions!" }-

Hi Joe

Thanks for your usual clear and informative post on this topic.

:thumb:

[raven211]

Just reporting that Opera seems to indeed be incompatible (still) with what's now SafeOnline.

Right now it doesn't matter if I'm at a HTTP or HTTPS site - it'll only show "unknown values" on everything (the text "Unknown" on everything except IP Verification which instead says "IP Not Verified"). Also the blue button and not the green FYI.

HOWEVER, I recall that when another program opened Opera to view a page and not me starting the program manually, the button of SafeOnline was green and it probably identified the content and protected me and so on. The program that did this on my PC was Google Talk, which opens a HTTPS site (GMail, that's). I'm running Windows XP Pro SP3 which is fully updated and Prevx in conjunction with avast! Free Antivirus v5 BETA.


If you want me to elaborate on something, don't hesitate to ask - I'm pretty tired when I'm writing this after all. :)


EDIT: Same result with b195.

EDIT2: Is full-screen detection available in this release invisibly (just detecting, no options to turn the functionality off) or will that be a part of v4 instead?

[rolarocka]

Did you uninstall and install the new .195? I think an update over the old version wont work.
Funny thing is i use Opera 10.10 1778 and now SafeOnline works as expected, it shows IPs etc. Yesterday https only worked with the "Low" setting.

[rolarocka]

-{ Quote: "Hello all,
To everyone who has been having printer problems - we found the source and have corrected it.

We'll be releasing a new build either this evening or by tomorrow which will fix this and a handful of more subtle compatibility issues.

Thank you all for your testing!" }-
Yes printing works again for me with the .195 version. Good work :thumb:

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "Did you uninstall and install the new 195 from scratch? I think an update over the old version wont work.
Funny thing is i use Opera 10.10 1778 and now SafeOnline works as expected, it shows IPs etc. Yesterday https only worked with the "Low" setting." }-
Installed over the top of 191 by clicking on Check for Updates in the GUI and accepting the offer to update.

Simples!!!!!

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Did you uninstall and install the new .195? I think an update over the old version wont work.
Funny thing is i use Opera 10.10 1778 and now SafeOnline works as expected, it shows IPs etc. Yesterday https only worked with the "Low" setting." }-

Simply got auto-updated to b195 - happy with that fact at least. ;D

[PrevxHelp]

-{ Quote: "Just reporting that Opera seems to indeed be incompatible (still) with what's now SafeOnline.

Right now it doesn't matter if I'm at a HTTP or HTTPS site - it'll only show "unknown values" on everything (the text "Unknown" on everything except IP Verification which instead says "IP Not Verified"). Also the blue button and not the green FYI.

HOWEVER, I recall that when another program opened Opera to view a page and not me starting the program manually, the button of SafeOnline was green and it probably identified the content and protected me and so on. The program that did this on my PC was Google Talk, which opens a HTTPS site (GMail, that's). I'm running Windows XP Pro SP3 which is fully updated and Prevx in conjunction with avast! Free Antivirus v5 BETA.


If you want me to elaborate on something, don't hesitate to ask - I'm pretty tired when I'm writing this after all. :)" }-

Good to know - I'm not sure how much testing we've done with XP SP3/Opera/Avast but I will prioritize this up and should have an answer soon as to what incompatibility we may still have.

-{ Quote: "EDIT2: Is full-screen detection available in this release invisibly (just detecting, no options to turn the functionality off) or will that be a part of v4 instead?" }-

The full screen detection is implemented now with no option to turn it off (it is too necessary of a feature to have an option to turn it off in our opinion :))

[PrevxHelp]

We've now released .195 (as many of you have already found ;D) and I'll close this thread and shift discussions over to http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=253547

Thanks as always for the testing!