Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released

[3xist]

COMODO Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released (https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/comodo_internet_security_310101801529_released-t41954.0.html)
-{ Quote: "
Hi Guys,

We have just released COMODO Internet Security 3.10.101801.529.

What's New In 3.10.101801.529?
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NEW! COMODO Secure DNS is introduced as a new free service
NEW! COMODO HopSurf Toolbar - COMODO SafeSurf Toolbar has been discontinued and superseded by COMODO HopSurf Toolbar
NEW! CIS now allows the users to change the URL for the program and virus updates
IMPROVED! CIS now has a better support for Windows Security Center integration in Windows Vista SP1 and later
IMPROVED! AV engine now supports more archives and has better detection capabilities
IMPROVED! Direct disk access false alerts have been reduced
FIXED! Some applications do not run when CIS is installed in Vista 64 bit
FIXED! Antivirus scans excluded folders
FIXED! Firewall does not show some connections under high load
FIXED! Firewall sometimes causes the PC to freeze in windows XP 32
FIXED! cfp.exe crashes when HIPS alerts timeout


Download Locations
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32 Bit
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http://download.comodo.com/cis/download/setups/CIS_Setup_3.10.101801.529_XP_Vista_x32.exe
Size: 76M ( 78992656 )
MD5: 9569b960287f030c0e0f4ba7a7ae796c
SHA1: 87f199efb1a7c37435c7ed598b1a18738a9ad838


64 Bit
======

http://download.comodo.com/cis/download/setups/CIS_Setup_3.10.101801.529_XP_Vista_x64.exe
Size: 77M ( 79937808 )
MD5: d54a2df1aa06a51137954e34621815d7
SHA1: 9886061e47bc16b48b9b88a129628bd8ffce2bcc


Frequently Asked Questions
==========================

1 - Do I need to uninstall CIS 3.9 to install 3.10?
Your automatic updater will handle the update process for you. You dont need to uninstall 3.9.

2 - What is COMODO Secure DNS?
COMODO Secure DNS is a free DNS service offered by COMODO as an alternative to your ISPs DNS servers. During the installation, if you opt-in for this feature, the installer will automatically modify your adapters' DNS server settings. COMODO Secure DNS servers are faster, more secure and smarter.

Please contact with your system adiministrator if your PC is in a corporate network or you use VPN connections in order to avoid connectivity issues.

3 - What is COMODO HopSurf Toolbar?
COMODO HopSurf is a fully fledged community based web site rating and searching system(www.hopsurf.com). The toolbar brings these features and more to your browser for convenience.

4 - Do I still need COMODO SafeSurf Toolbar?
No. SafeSurf Toolbar is superseded by HopSurf toolbar. Security features from SafeSurf Toolbar are already integrated into CIS. You can safely uninstall COMODO SafeSurf Toolbar.
" }-

[jmonge]

cool thanks for the info updates;)

[jmonge]

is the cis installer smaller than previous?or same?

[LagerX]

Looks same for me.

[jmonge]

i will love to see a smaller installer and some improvenment in the antivirus,cause i really likes D+ and it is offer for free:)

[Eice]

Does anyone know what Comodo Secure DNS is and/or what it does?

[jmonge]

2 - What is COMODO Secure DNS?
COMODO Secure DNS is a free DNS service offered by COMODO as an alternative to your ISPs DNS servers. During the installation, if you opt-in for this feature, the installer will automatically modify your adapters' DNS server settings. COMODO Secure DNS servers are faster, more secure and smarter.

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "2 - What is COMODO Secure DNS?
COMODO Secure DNS is a free DNS service offered by COMODO as an alternative to your ISPs DNS servers. During the installation, if you opt-in for this feature, the installer will automatically modify your adapters' DNS server settings. COMODO Secure DNS servers are faster, more secure and smarter." }-
Thanks.

I was actually hoping that it was some sort of feature that lets you define a local DNS server on your local machine/network - I certainly could use something like that right now.

[jmonge]

ah i see

[cruxx]

It's nice all these security suites offer (sic) to modify this and that, DNS, search options, browser settings and so on but it's really just more for me to check up on on and see what has actually happened to my system after an installation is complete.
Less is sometimes more methinks.
:P

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "2 - What is COMODO Secure DNS?
COMODO Secure DNS is a free DNS service offered by COMODO as an alternative to your ISPs DNS servers. During the installation, if you opt-in for this feature, the installer will automatically modify your adapters' DNS server settings. COMODO Secure DNS servers are faster, more secure and smarter." }-

Great - that explains nothing about how it achieves this. Yes, I think that's kinda stupid to be honest. I want the "why" and "how" behind things before I use them - not just PR **** (this is not against you specifically COMODO, don't worry). Before that, I see nothing useful in using something, even if I'm sure it's a great addition - I want more detailed information on this.

On another note, 3xist, when can we see the Smart Mode being introduced (1) and (2) does it apply to the D+ as well? :) I recall some of you guys saying it would be introduced in the version after the previous one, but I totally understand if it didn't make it into this release, looking at the list of changes - just curious. ;)

[Makav3l1]

Should we opt into this DNS thing or not?

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "Should we opt into this DNS thing or not?" }-
That'd be putting an inordinate amount of trust in Comodo, seeing how you're giving them control over which site your browser(s) take you to after you enter a URL in the address bar. After the toolbar fiasco and how Comodo is selling certificates to malware domains, you decide whether they're worthy of that level of trust.

[firzen771]

anyone know what the difference is with the "new" toolbar compared to the "old" one?

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Should we opt into this DNS thing or not?" }-
OpenDNS works great and is well-regarded; just use that.

[Wildest]

I wish there was some way to find out specifically if any of the moderators here use any CIS products; this info would definitely be helpful.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "anyone know what the difference is with the "new" toolbar compared to the "old" one?" }-

If it's still just another Ask-toolbar, I'm not interested at all. Besides, I run Opera as my browser, so it would make no difference - toolbars will never be a part of my system. If you're forced to use it for some software to work, I'll not use that software at all - just to note.

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "If it's still just another Ask-toolbar, I'm not interested at all. Besides, I run Opera as my browser, so it would make no difference - toolbars will never be a part of my system. If you're forced to use it for some software to work, I'll not use that software at all - just to note." }-

It's still related to the company that makes Ask.

Personally, I'm waiting until Comodo 4.0 to consider trying it. Because I think that's when the improvements would be most noticeable, and I also want to see how the company reacts to the criticism it has gotten.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "I also want to see how the company reacts to the criticism it has gotten." }-
I agree.
As they say, once bitten twice shy, and Melih has been bitten so many times I would be surprised if he didn't change tack.

IAC I think that overall, Comodo has been good for the industry.
They have increased interest and awareness, and have forced other companies to react, to the benefit of user (Would there be an OA Free without Comodo? :-\ ).

Even if you don't use/like their product, they are good to have around. :thumb:

[Einsturzende]

maybe by "more secure" means that they log your surfing habits and send to companies such is Ask or some other thing like block malicious domains maybe?... guys additional info would be essential to everybody who want to use Comodo DNS servers...
faster ???, more secure ???, smarter ???...

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "I agree.
As they say, once bitten twice shy, and Melih has been bitten so many times I would be surprised if he didn't change tack.

IAC I think that overall, Comodo has been good for the industry.
They have increased interest and awareness, and have forced other companies to react, to the benefit of user (Would there be an OA Free without Comodo? :-\ ).

Even if you don't use/like their product, they are good to have around. :thumb:" }-

Yep, I hope Comodo stays around, does well, and is competition for the pay for security companies while having trust.

[3xist]

Hi Guys


Let me try and answer some questions. :)

FAQ
=================================

Is "Smart Mode" in this release? No, it isn't. And I apologize for saying before that it WAS going to be in this release! I'll be sure next time to keep my mouth shut unless I know for sure so you guys don't want a peroid of time and think "So, he said it's in release! where is it?" - Anyway I"ll keep you updated on this for you guys.

What is HopSurf? It’s a way to "Watch Internet" (like you watch TV but now you can watch Internet)

It’s a way to discover new and relevant sites on Internet (how can you find new funky stuff for yourself for your interest? Well now you can. This also has the ability to auto surf and many other features as well as backend infrastructure for Social Authentication.

Why launch Hopsurf:

It’s because ‘every’ decision you make is an important authentication information. This helps Comodo Authenticate web content and make that available back to you!

The dawn of Social Authentication begins right here, right now!

The dedicated Hopsurf browser extension toolbar is available for the following browsers.
- Internet Explorer 5.01 and above
- Firefox 2.x and above
- Seamonkey
- Netscape Navigator

Hopsurf can also be used without the dedicated toolbar, and in other browsers such as Firefox and Opera using bookmarkets available via the website. However, you do NOT need to install it to employ all security features that are in CIS! This is just a stumble-upon program for favorite sites.

What is Secure DNS?

Help File:

Comodo Secure DNS service replaces your existing Recursive DNS Servers and resolves all your DNS requests exclusively through Comodo's proprietary Directory Services Platform. Most of the networks use recursive DNS services that are provided by their ISP or that reside on their own set of small DNS servers but it becomes essential to have a secure and broadly distributed DNS service to have a faster and safe DNS resolution.

Background Note: Every device on the Internet is uniquely identified by a 32-bit number (IPv4) or a 128-bit number (Ipv6). While this is perfectly satisfactory for computers, humans are far more comfortable remembering names rather than a string of numbers. The Domain Name System (DNS) provides the translation between those names and numbers. Virtually every piece of software, device, and service on the Internet utilizes DNS to communicate with one another. DNS also makes this information available across the entire span of the Internet, allowing users to find information remotely.

Comodo Secure DNS is a broadly distributed Recursive DNS service that gives you full control to determine how your clients interact with the Internet. It requires no hardware or software and provides reliable, faster, smarter and safer Internet experience.

Reliable –a Comodo Secure DNS Directory Services Platform currently spans across five continents round the world. This allows us to offer you the most reliable fully redundant DNS service anywhere. Each node has multiple servers, and is connected by several Tier 1 carriers to the Internet.

Faster – Our strategically placed nodes are located at the most optimal intersections of the Internet. Unlike most DNS providers, Comodo Secure DNS Directory Services Platform uses Anycast routing technology – which means that no matter where you are located in the world, your DNS requests are answered by the closest available Comodo Secure DNS set of servers. Combine this with our huge cache and we can get the answers you seek faster and more reliably than anyone else. Furthemore, our "name cache invalidation" solution signals the Comodo Secure DNS recursive servers anytime one of our authoritative customers or partners updates a DNS record, fundamentally eliminating the concept of a TTL.

Smarter – Comodo's highly structured search and guide pages get you where you want to be, when you inadvertently attempt to go to a site that doesn’t exist.

Safer – As the leading Internet Security Solutions provider, Comodo is keenly aware of the dangers that plague the Internet today. Comodo maintains a real-time block list (RBL) of harmful websites (i.e. phishing sites, malware sites, etc.), to warn users about when they attempt to access them. You can trust us to protect you and your customers from many of the known online dangers.

To start Comodo Secure DNS service the DNS settings of your computer has to be modified to point to our server's IP addresses. Comodo Internet Security automatically modifies the DNS settings of your system during its installation to get the services. You can also modify the DNS settings of your system manually, if you haven't selected the option during installation. You can also revert to the previous settings if you want, at anytime.
=================================

That's the most detailed explanation. Btw guys: This is the last v3 build series of CIS (Firewall & Antivirus) - UNLESS an emergency fix needs to be done, Then it's all focus on CIS v4 - Which will come in 6-8 months. It will include New GUI, Time Machine, Behavior Blocker, etc and some smart roll back tech... I am sure there are others.

This 3.10 is all about family signatures (generic) (Since Comodo Secure DNS and Comodo Hopsurf are completely optional without reducing security), And others are fixes/small improvements. This is a big step in detection for Comodo, and now it's just about creating all these signatures, including generic signatures, and getting the CIS AV, to be one of the best AV's. No more builds until 4.0 (unless emergency build needs to happen), There will be an emergency build out soon btw.

Cheers,
Josh

[IceCube1010]

You really have to give them credit. They are very tenacious in what they do. Like the previous poster said, if hate or love them they are very good to have around. It will keep the security industry on their heels.

They do make a very good product used in the right hands.

Just my .02 cents
Ice

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "Safer – As the leading Internet Security Solutions provider, Comodo is keenly aware of the dangers that plague the Internet today. Comodo maintains a real-time block list (RBL) of harmful websites (i.e. phishing sites, malware sites, etc.), to warn users about when they attempt to access them. You can trust us to protect you and your customers from many of the known online dangers." }-
I honestly can't help but chuckle at the irony in this. If Comodo is so "keenly aware" of harmful websites, why sell security certificates to them?

That said, I'll give the DNS service a spin anyway. I typically see 200-300ms latency from my ISP DNS servers, and browsing "heavy" websites that call elements from multiple domains produces noticeable slowdowns if I'm not using a browser with DNS prefetching. Hopefully Comodo lives up to their claims of speed.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Btw guys: This is the last v3 build series of CIS (Firewall & Antivirus) - UNLESS an emergency fix needs to be done, Then it's all focus on CIS v4 - Which will come in 6-8 months. It will include New GUI, Time Machine, Behavior Blocker, etc and some smart roll back tech... I am sure there are others." }-
This really sums up the problem I have with CIS, and it all revolves around the concept of "free".

IMO there is always some price to be paid for anything.

If I buy a license for OA or a-squared, I know that I can voice my opinion on their forum, and it will be respected because I paid money for their product.
With CIS, my opinion is essentially meaningless, since because it is "free", all I will get is, "You should be grateful, you are getting something for free!".
Well, I don't want my security vendor to "do me a favor so I can be eternally grateful"; I want a product that satisfies my needs, and I am willing to pay for it.
With CIS, my only option to pay financially is to buy a CIS Pro license, which entitles me to have some unknown tech from some unknown country have full control over my PC; something that I do not want, or need!
So if I want to use CIS my only choice is to be subjected to the whims of its CEO, and deal with Ask Toolbars and other gimmicks.
Well, thanks for your "free", but I prefer to have as much control over what goes on my PC as possible.

Of course, this is just my personal opinion.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "That said, I'll give the DNS service a spin anyway. I typically see 200-300ms latency from my ISP DNS servers, and browsing "heavy" websites that call elements from multiple domains produces noticeable slowdowns if I'm not using a browser with DNS prefetching. Hopefully Comodo lives up to their claims of speed." }-
I suggest you try OpenDNS first; DNS is all they do, and since they have been doing it for some time, I find it highly unlikely that Comodo's servers will be any faster.

[luanme]

That's a good question, would it be better to use Open DNS or Comodo's DNS service?

Also, does Comodo update automatically because when i try to manually update it, it comes up with:

"Error 108: Update could not be completed. Please check your internet connection settings."

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "This really sums up the problem I have with CIS, and it all revolves around the concept of "free".

IMO there is always some price to be paid for anything.

If I buy a license for OA or a-squared, I know that I can voice my opinion on their forum, and it will be respected because I paid money for their product.
With CIS, my opinion is essentially meaningless, since because it is "free", all I will get is, "You should be grateful, you are getting something for free!".
Well, I don't want my security vendor to "do me a favor so I can be eternally grateful"; I want a product that satisfies my needs, and I am willing to pay for it.
With CIS, my only option to pay financially is to buy a CIS Pro license, which entitles me to have some unknown tech from some unknown country have full control over my PC; something that I do not want, or need!
So if I want to use CIS my only choice is to be subjected to the whims of its CEO, and deal with Ask Toolbars and other gimmicks.
Well, thanks for your "free", but I prefer to have as much control over what goes on my PC as possible.

Of course, this is just my personal opinion." }-

This is the one big fault I find with them and that's letting them know of a bug or maybe a suggestion. It sometimes falls on deaf ears. Not sure if it's because it's free or not but I do find this an issue.

Ice

[jmonge]

this new comodo is the best comodo ever deliver;)

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "this new comodo is the best comodo ever deliver;)" }-

Yep... :)

I'm quite interested and find useful the new Comodo SecureDNS. Feedback is that there are noticeable speed improvements which is nice...

Btw: This is what happens when you attempt to enter a site that is malicious and it's on Comodo's site blocklist.

The rewording will be changed however to a more "malware warning" type terminology.

Cheers,
Josh

[jmonge]

yeap i install it;) cool

[3xist]

Another thing I might mention is that if you do install the Comodo HopSurf, With a 3 marks checked at installation, It won't reset your Firefox home page, It will for IE and make it "http://www.hopsurf.com/".

Yes... Searching with HopSurf is still powered by ask. But that's it.

Cheers,
Josh

[simisg]

comodo dns servers very fast............. but i don't know about comodo tactics....

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "If Comodo is so "keenly aware" of harmful websites, why sell security certificates to them?
speed." }-

Guys...

The issues regarding COMODO giving SSL's to malware - COMODO is NOT alone in this. EVERY CA is doing it, Because you can NOT validate a "Domain Validation" Certificate (Yellow padlock you see on the bottom of a website). GeoTrust/Versign and others don't agree on validating DV's, So anyone can grab one, Pushing Comodo to sell it too, And btw the DV for the last malware author that was bought up was immediately revoked. Comodo tries to educate people about DV's and hence recommend "Extended Validations" (Green bar you see on a webpage in the address) - These CAN be validated and checked and there is a thorough process to go through.

Please read here for more information: http://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/comodo_continues_to_issue_certificates_to_known_malware-t39564.0.html;msg286754#msg286754

And Comodo have just done a Press Release on it too, also a video: http://www.comodo.com/news/press_releases/02_07_09.html

Again, Comodo is not alone, CA's are all part of it. Simply cause validation does not exist for these certs (Just DV's) - As long as you got $$ in your pocket come and grab it type thing.

Let's not continue this discussion. :)

Cheers,
Josh

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "I think you posted on the Comodo forums that you find Comodo DNS servers faster too? I guess this increase in speed will depend on which country you live in right? I can't wait to test it for myself!" }-

Yes. It's fast. Others are also saying it's fast. You won't notice a AWESOME/TERRIFIC/STUNNING Speed, But it should be noticeable and satisfactory at the very least. The Comodo Secure DNS Servers are set up in 5 different Continents around the world, It's a MASSIVE world-wide network infrastructure, hence you get good speed anywhere. It's also Smart & Secure, Blocks malware urls, etc (Kind of reminds me of Webshield on DNS). LOL.

Cheers,
Josh

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "With regards to the blocking malware aspect, I hope they develop a better sign than "ERROR" and a blank page when blocking a malware site haha." }-

Yes. It's been passed on to the guys responsible.

Cheers,
Josh

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "Just been reading on the Comodo forums and everyone who has posted about the DNS servers say that it improves speed. One poster mentioned that it improved his speed from 7Mb/s to 20Mb/s. This is very good news." }-

Ohh .. do you realize how many DNS requests should be performed to make 20-7 = 13 Mb/sec ? Taking in account average DNS request makes ~200-300b this would be something like 54,500 DNS requests/sec.

PS. The guy seems to smoke very special grass to experience such noticable speed up :)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Hi Guys


Let me try and answer some questions. :)

FAQ
=================================

Is "Smart Mode" in this release? No, it isn't. And I apologize for saying before that it WAS going to be in this release! I'll be sure next time to keep my mouth shut unless I know for sure so you guys don't want a peroid of time and think "So, he said it's in release! where is it?" - Anyway I"ll keep you updated on this for you guys.

What is HopSurf? It’s a way to "Watch Internet" (like you watch TV but now you can watch Internet)

It’s a way to discover new and relevant sites on Internet (how can you find new funky stuff for yourself for your interest? Well now you can. This also has the ability to auto surf and many other features as well as backend infrastructure for Social Authentication.

Why launch Hopsurf:

It’s because ‘every’ decision you make is an important authentication information. This helps Comodo Authenticate web content and make that available back to you!

The dawn of Social Authentication begins right here, right now!

The dedicated Hopsurf browser extension toolbar is available for the following browsers.
- Internet Explorer 5.01 and above
- Firefox 2.x and above
- Seamonkey
- Netscape Navigator

Hopsurf can also be used without the dedicated toolbar, and in other browsers such as Firefox and Opera using bookmarkets available via the website. However, you do NOT need to install it to employ all security features that are in CIS! This is just a stumble-upon program for favorite sites.

What is Secure DNS?

Help File:

Comodo Secure DNS service replaces your existing Recursive DNS Servers and resolves all your DNS requests exclusively through Comodo's proprietary Directory Services Platform. Most of the networks use recursive DNS services that are provided by their ISP or that reside on their own set of small DNS servers but it becomes essential to have a secure and broadly distributed DNS service to have a faster and safe DNS resolution.

Background Note: Every device on the Internet is uniquely identified by a 32-bit number (IPv4) or a 128-bit number (Ipv6). While this is perfectly satisfactory for computers, humans are far more comfortable remembering names rather than a string of numbers. The Domain Name System (DNS) provides the translation between those names and numbers. Virtually every piece of software, device, and service on the Internet utilizes DNS to communicate with one another. DNS also makes this information available across the entire span of the Internet, allowing users to find information remotely.

Comodo Secure DNS is a broadly distributed Recursive DNS service that gives you full control to determine how your clients interact with the Internet. It requires no hardware or software and provides reliable, faster, smarter and safer Internet experience.

Reliable –a Comodo Secure DNS Directory Services Platform currently spans across five continents round the world. This allows us to offer you the most reliable fully redundant DNS service anywhere. Each node has multiple servers, and is connected by several Tier 1 carriers to the Internet.

Faster – Our strategically placed nodes are located at the most optimal intersections of the Internet. Unlike most DNS providers, Comodo Secure DNS Directory Services Platform uses Anycast routing technology – which means that no matter where you are located in the world, your DNS requests are answered by the closest available Comodo Secure DNS set of servers. Combine this with our huge cache and we can get the answers you seek faster and more reliably than anyone else. Furthemore, our "name cache invalidation" solution signals the Comodo Secure DNS recursive servers anytime one of our authoritative customers or partners updates a DNS record, fundamentally eliminating the concept of a TTL.

Smarter – Comodo's highly structured search and guide pages get you where you want to be, when you inadvertently attempt to go to a site that doesn’t exist.

Safer – As the leading Internet Security Solutions provider, Comodo is keenly aware of the dangers that plague the Internet today. Comodo maintains a real-time block list (RBL) of harmful websites (i.e. phishing sites, malware sites, etc.), to warn users about when they attempt to access them. You can trust us to protect you and your customers from many of the known online dangers.

To start Comodo Secure DNS service the DNS settings of your computer has to be modified to point to our server's IP addresses. Comodo Internet Security automatically modifies the DNS settings of your system during its installation to get the services. You can also modify the DNS settings of your system manually, if you haven't selected the option during installation. You can also revert to the previous settings if you want, at anytime.
=================================

That's the most detailed explanation. Btw guys: This is the last v3 build series of CIS (Firewall & Antivirus) - UNLESS an emergency fix needs to be done, Then it's all focus on CIS v4 - Which will come in 6-8 months. It will include New GUI, Time Machine, Behavior Blocker, etc and some smart roll back tech... I am sure there are others.

This 3.10 is all about family signatures (generic) (Since Comodo Secure DNS and Comodo Hopsurf are completely optional without reducing security), And others are fixes/small improvements. This is a big step in detection for Comodo, and now it's just about creating all these signatures, including generic signatures, and getting the CIS AV, to be one of the best AV's. No more builds until 4.0 (unless emergency build needs to happen), There will be an emergency build out soon btw.

Cheers,
Josh" }-

Thank you, Josh - very professional. ;) And don't worry about "saying hello too early" - it happens to us all. :D Just wondering, is it more likely that v4 will be the one including Smart Mode or some build after that? Only to make assumptions as this is the last v3 like you said - or can we be sure about that!? ;D

[cqpreson]

Is Comodo Secure DNS a DNS service which is procided by Comodo?

[rdsu]

The new HopSurf and Secure DNS are opt-in by default?

What is "Smart Mode"?

[m00nbl00d]

There goes a long time since the last time I've tried COMODO Firewall Pro. Yes, you heard it right. That's when I stopped using COMODO's firewall, since the very first version of CIS, which was buggy. I reported those bugs, and well, practically was kicked out. But, UI purple dots get their interest, and they create something COMODO HopSurf.

Initially, I thought that COMODO HopSurf was something like a service for new hip-hoppers to make their first steps. :D

Honestly, why include such in a security tool? I, honestly, don't quite understand it.

I must tell you that I really enjoyed using COMODO Firewall Pro, which I never had any major problems with. Now, with CIS, Ask.com, getting "kicked" for reporting major bugs, etc.... Would I ever use it again, and help even with the UI? No, sir.

I really hope the best for COMODO, but unless something changes in Melih's mind....

[ratchet]

I have to chime in here! I used Comodo firewall without D+ and ThreatFire and could not believe how light and fast it all was. When the OA free license became available I removed Comodo and TF (why not? rated #1). Point is, I like Comodo! Having said that, if you really do not want to use your ISPs DNS servers, for gosh sakes just use OpenDNS! There is no way in heck Comodo is ever going to be able to touch them in Domain/url lists or speed in a hundred million years. This is what they have been doing for a long time and there are all kinds of options and tweaks you can apply to your account/profile...and yes it is all free!

[3xist]

Hey Guys

I'll try and answer more questions:

What is Smart Mode? It's not here yet... I am not sure when it is. But it basically auto denies and allows certain requests.

HopSurf opt in by default? Yes. (Don't go crazy at me pls...)

Secure DNS opt in by default? No.

I just did a sticky guys about Secure DNS, You don't need to install CIS to use it. No software/hardware needed.

Works on MAC, XP & Vista - How to enable/disable:

http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/comodo_secure_dns_enabling_disabling-t41987.0.html

"Comodo's Secure DNS's server infrastructure currently spans 15 locations (nodes) and five continents around the world. This allows us to offer you the most reliable fully redundant DNS service anywhere." - So far so good by reports. :)

Again... This is last v3 series... then its v4... GET READY!!! :)

Cheers,
Josh

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "Haha. Yeah, I think he was a bit biased, and his testing wasn't at all technical. It was more of a "I've only ever got 7Mb/s at best before, and now I'm noticing 20Mb/s using Comodo DNS servers".

Anyway, that's why I want the opinion of more than one person!" }-

Aside from any opinion, some technical aspect should be taken in account. For one to be actually faster you need that ping time to your DNS server was faster. Even if some remote DNS is faster processing the requests than your provider server, you need only one hop to reach provider and nobody knows how many hops to reach remote DNS. I'm afraid in some cases you can get slowdown as a net total, even if DNS server itself works faster. I mean you also need to take in account a traceroute to your remote DNS.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Is Comodo Secure DNS a DNS service which is procided by Comodo?" }-

Yes. Take for a test drive. See if any malware urls you throw at it results in error (yep.. gonna be changed that silly terminology!).

Love this DNS thingy. :)

Cheers,
Josh

[firzen771]

hmm this DNS thing sounds interesting but im a little cautious, is ther a privacy agreement? cuz it really doesn't sound like there's much stopping them from tracking w/e u do...

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "hmm this DNS thing sounds interesting but im a little cautious, is ther a privacy agreement? cuz it really doesn't sound like there's much stopping them from tracking w/e u do..." }-

NO information from you is traced. It's an optional free secure DNS infrastructure.

All it does is speeds up, secures, and smarterizes (there is no such word, i just made it up)...

Cheers,
Josh

[cqpreson]

-{ Quote: "Yes. Take for a test drive. See if any malware urls you throw at it results in error (yep.. gonna be changed that silly terminology!).

Love this DNS thingy. :)

Cheers,
Josh" }-

Thank you.New function is so cool.I have to consider using comodo again.New comodo is very attractive.
But I still have a question.Comodo's file protection can distinguish reading and writing?In previous comodo,its file protection can't distinguish reading and writing,we can't set a rule about a file to be reading or writing respectively.
In new comodo,can it?

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "NO information from you is traced. It's an optional free secure DNS infrastructure.

All it does is speeds up, secures, and smarterizes (there is no such word, i just made it up)...

Cheers,
Josh" }-

hehe i like ur use of "smaterizes" ;D but is ther some sort of privacy agreement for it btw? cuz ur word, although good, isnt really much proof...:-\

[andyman35]

Somebody asked about the forthcoming Smart Mode in CIS. It's my understanding (right or wrong) that this will be the addition of an intelligent BB element to D+ as an evolution from the current dumb HIPS.

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "HopSurf opt in by default? Yes. (Don't go crazy at me pls...)" }-
:)

Do you know why is this opt-in, by default, if we are talking about a security program and this isn't necessary?

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: ":)

Do you know why is this opt-in, by default, if we are talking about a security program and this isn't necessary?" }-

because they make money :)

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "because they make money :)" }-
So we have a supposed security program that contains junk or something else.

This new toolbar still have some connection with Ask.com, or is just related with Comodo?

[m00nbl00d]

-{ Quote: "So we have a supposed security program that contains junk or something else.

This new toolbar still have some connection with Ask.com, or is just related with Comodo?" }-

It is also related to IAC (Ask.com), for what I see here http://www.hopsurf.com/license.jsp, under Copyright

-{ Quote: "3.4.All search results accessible through the use of HopSurf search feature are copyrighted as a collective work under the U.S. copyright laws, and IAC Search & Media owns a copyright in the selection, coordination, arrangement and enhancement of such search results. The Ask name and logo are trademarks of IAC Search & Media. All other trademarks appearing as part of HopSurf or in connection with the use of the services are the property of Comodo or the respective Content owner." }-

[JamesFrance]

Just click on the ticks and away it goes.

Hardly difficult to opt out is it?

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "Just click on the ticks and away it goes.

Hardly difficult to opt out is it?" }-
I know how to avoid it, but a normal user care about this?

Normally they doesn't perceive nothing of nothing, so...

[Someone]

-{ Quote: "Just click on the ticks and away it goes.

Hardly difficult to opt out is it?" }-
Well they could easily make it opt in, and stop all the complaints. Hardly difficult to opt in if one wants to is it?

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "Hi Eice, I'm surprised you're actually going to run a Comodo service - I think not long ago, you said you'd never touch anything Comodo? Don't worry, I've done the same thing with Norton a few months back (I swore I'd never touch anything Norton again, but gave Norton Security Scan and Clean a try)." }-
I've been running Comodo services quite a bit all along on a test machine. Which is actually the main reason why I have such a low opinion of them.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I've been running Comodo services quite a bit all along on a test machine. Which is actually the main reason why I have such a low opinion of them." }-
me too i said same thing about comodo long time ago when it was version 2.4,now i am trying it and love it so far:) i admit it,it is good program ofcourse without the tool bar;D

[cruxx]

-{ Quote: "Hey Guys

I'll try and answer more questions:

HopSurf opt in by default? Yes. (Don't go crazy at me pls...)

" }-

Won't go crazy but this is a boat that should not have sailed and will sadly be the reason why I'll not be using any further versions of comodo until this pattern is rectified. Hope to be back as a user if it ever does.

sorry. :thumbd:

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Won't go crazy but this is a boat that should not have sailed and will sadly be the reason why I'll not be using any further versions of comodo until this pattern is rectified. Hope to be back as a user if it ever does.

sorry. :thumbd:" }-
It is clear that Comodo is doing this precisely to catch the unsuspecting low-tech user, otherwise this opt-out policy would have been changed a long time ago.
It just doesn't seem right that a security company with the slogan, "Creating Trust Online" should be doing this.

Anyway, this is like beating a dead horse.
Better to continue discussion on the pros and cons of this particular release.

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Well they could easily make it opt in, and stop all the complaints. Hardly difficult to opt in if one wants to is it?" }-

Well, I too don't like this way to present the toolbar, and I agree with you. But, boys ...You all surely use Google, or Yahoo, FaceBook, MySpace, Hotmail...and then blogs, social networks, IM services.. WebSites, Forums... all free ? all pure, all clean ? How many banners, pop up, coockies, AdSenses you see, read, receive, accept ? And how really you know of all this ? Must I go on ?

I don't like all this, yeah, but Internet is also this, the Web lives also with this. I don't like, and I don't like in a security software, ok. But I don't understand why to be shocked, why to be scandalized and to claim only now, only for Comodo toolbar. Do you want definitevely purity, cleanliness, not commercial surfing ? Well, stop most part of your internet actvities.

p.s.: I don't work for Comodo :D :D , I use his fw with D+ but not his av, I use and I try a lot of security softwares looking for the best for me, and I miss System Safety Monitor. My is only a pessimistic but realistic post.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Well, I too don't like this way to present the toolbar, and I agree with you. But, boys ...You all surely use Google, or Yahoo, FaceBook, MySpace, Hotmail...and then blogs, social networks, IM services.. WebSites, Forums... all free ? all pure, all clean ? How many banners, pop up, coockies, AdSenses you see, read, receive, accept ? And how really you know of all this ? Must I go on ?" }-
Maybe you should go on, since you have yet to list a security vendor, one whose primary purpose is to protect users from Google, or Yahoo, FaceBook, MySpace, Hotmail...and then blogs, social networks, IM services.. WebSites, Forums..., banners, pop up, and cookies.

A security vendor must be held to a higher standard!

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Sure sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mate, no feedback about the DNS servers? I presume it didn't make a difference?

Anyway, just upgraded to build .530 and everything running smoothly still." }-it is running very fast here:)

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "

A security vendor must be held to a higher standard!" }-


Yaa, I agree, I wrote " Well, I too don't like this way to present the toolbar ". But how many vendors give complete security suites totally freeware ? Kaspersky does it ? Zone Alarm does it ? Avira ? ...Mc Afee ? ...They sell their suite. And most part of real classical HIPS are pay. If you want them, you pay. Please, try to understand my previous post.

I DIDN'T write: " Comodo is right, Comodo is great, all right. " . Only I was a bit surprised from all this candid stupor about Comodo toolbar. Really all you thought that Comodo had gone on to the endless working gratis for us, developing his programs for the security and the trust ? This was the mean of my post. I presently use Comodo fw and HIPS, but I always doubt about it just for all free, all nice, all the best. So I'm not so surprised for the toolbar. I disagree, but I'm not surprised. I'm not the little Mary's lamb. ;D ;D

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Comodo's DNS server? We all know Comodo always runs fast haha." }-
they both are fast;)

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "It is clear that Comodo is doing this precisely to catch the unsuspecting low-tech user, otherwise this opt-out policy would have been changed a long time ago.
It just doesn't seem right that a security company with the slogan, "Creating Trust Online" should be doing this.

Anyway, this is like beating a dead horse.
Better to continue discussion on the pros and cons of this particular release." }-

And here I fully concur. "Creating trust online" and "Tricking naives to earn some cents to those who creates that "trust online"" are absolutely incompatible things.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Good stuff. I'll give the DNS thing a try now.

I see a lot of comments still about "trust" issues in this thread. It's quite frustrating really. If you aren't going to test this new release and go off topic by discussing issues that have been discussed several times before, perhaps please don't bother reading this thread anymore. It's about Comodo's latest release, not about "trust" issues. It's all rather distracting." }-
enjoy man:thumb:

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Good stuff. I'll give the DNS thing a try now.

I see a lot of comments still about "trust" issues in this thread. It's quite frustrating really. If you aren't going to test this new release and go off topic by discussing issues that have been discussed several times before, perhaps please don't bother reading this thread anymore. It's about Comodo's latest release, not about "trust" issues. It's all rather distracting." }-

it actually has to do with the new release, the trust issue caused by the toolbar being auto selected when ther slogan is "creating trust online" it makes it a bit hypocritical and this NEW DNS service that they dont really give much info about other than its "Faster", "Smarter" etc..., so all that is on-topic about the new release, just cuz it isn't happy go lucky praising CIS doesn't mean it is off-topic... and thats great that its being discussed many times, thers clearly a reason for it otherwise people wuldnt say anything... just like the people praising CIS and how it can do no wrong also repeatedly just say how amazing CIS is, o boy, we havent heard that before... ::) lol

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "Good stuff. I'll give the DNS thing a try now.

I see a lot of comments still about "trust" issues in this thread. It's quite frustrating really. If you aren't going to test this new release and go off topic by discussing issues that have been discussed several times before, perhaps please don't bother reading this thread anymore. It's about Comodo's latest release, not about "trust" issues. It's all rather distracting." }-

You are absolutely right, this is distracting. But to be fair, the thread is distracted the same way the banner "creating trust online" was distracted by its owner. Life is life, you cannot get perfect outcome with imperfect actions.

[arran]

yea now after reading about comodo selling certificates to Malware sites and with this Tool Bar thing being auto selected, I don't think I will have Comodo installed ever again.

[arran]

-{ Quote: "Good. Less overload for the Comodo servers haha." }-

how would it put strain on comodo servers when it would be installed and running on my pc?

[Trespasser]

It's been a LONG time since I put Comodo anything on my computer. And since this Comodo certificates revelation it now seems even less likely that I ever will. I just simply don't trust them any longer.

Just my opinion...for what it's worth.

Later...

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "The world can be a very grey place. For example, in medical practise in my country, Doctors are actually restrained from prescribing "optimal" medication to patients because of "funding issues"." }-
There's a world of difference between not prescribing "optimal" medicine, and resorting to shady deals behind the customer's back that run completely contrary to their public claims of "building trust online".

Stop drinking the Comodo Kool-Aid, and grow up before you join their rank of mindless zombie fanboys.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "There's a world of difference between not prescribing "optimal" medicine, and resorting to shady deals behind the customer's back that run completely contrary to their public claims of "building trust online".

Stop drinking the Comodo Kool-Aid, and grow up before you join their rank of mindless zombie fanboys." }-
I have discovered that any post that includes the word, "fanboy(s)", is of dubious merit.

[bigc73542]

For a little change of pace. I tried CIS and had problems so I uninstalled and then reinstalled but the same problem persisted after every reinstall (4) The problem is the the definitions updates take forever. 30% in fourty minutes. it is not my Internet connection 8mb download speed. Anyone else have this problem? I would like to have tried it out but can't take the update problem.

bigc

running XP Pro
2.5 gig proc
2gigs ram

[3xist]

Guys...

HopSurf is Comodo's fully own developed toolbar. The toolbar is NOT Ask. Only if you search in the toolbar, It will be based on Ask search engine. That's it. Comodo listened to users and REMOVED the ask toolbar. The rewording in CIS installer should be changed to "Make COMODO my home page" and not Ask. Like the separate Hopsurf installer which has that, It's been passed on.

Why is HopSurf selected by default? It's more then a toolbar that just sits there for satisfaction. It's a PURE "Social Authentication Tool" and is the next level to stumble upon. You can rate sites, If you like/dislike them, Go to your favorite sites, Share that with other people, Exchange popular/favorite sites of your own with other people and so on. If many people use it, HopSurf will have a good database of sites that are popular, liked, disliked, etc and people will be able to access them right there, right now without having to go through PAGES of Google web searches for example. It's a way to watch Internet on your PC. This is why it's checked by default, It's a pure Social Authentication Tool.

Again, I would like to recap that this is NOT ask Toolbar. It's fully COMODO, Only Search Engine is Ask. If you install hopsurf with all 3 options checked on CIS install, Your IE for example will look like the one below. It's all Comodo and it's all infrastructure for social authentication.

Now Alex_S... I seem to remember post banning you from the Comodo Forums. Egemen the lead CIS developer asked about 4 times before to explain your affiliations and the possible OBVIOUS problems you have with COMODO, You failed to answer those. I don't see ANY reason why your continuing to debate in COMODO threads again like now, Because I believe you only get satisfaction by debating and you failed to answer that simple question on the COMODO forums.

So I ask you nicely, if your going to continue to post misleading statements are debates just like before, and especially you failing to answer what your problem is and you twist words, I ask you nicely again to stop. I am here to help people, period - But sometimes I cannot ignore misleading comments.

So please stop Alex. Until you let everyone know (again) your affiliations, problems with COMODO, I see no reason why your still continuing to post and debate with COMODO and the threads produced.

Btw guys: Attatched is HopSurfs/Comodos page.

Cheers,
Josh

[Yanix]

Hi

Ive been using comodo 3.9 and after the update to 3.10 ive seen a strange thing: the update settings is gone.
The problem for me is there was a setting for not sending pending files to comodo.
Is this a bug, or is it volunteer ??

Comdo 3.9 => http://i41.tinypic.com/30ufnyh.jpg
(mise a jour is update in english)
(soumettre automatiquement... is send automatically pending files to Comodo)

Comdo 3.10 => http://i42.tinypic.com/foofb5.jpg

[firzen771]

comodo now wants to move from security software to social networking as well lol? nobody installs CIS to have social networkiing, it sounds like complete garbage bloat...

[arran]

-{ Quote: "Nice. Even less strain on the Comodo servers haha." }-

well if Comodo's servers are strained, then this would be yet another good reason for people not to use Comodo. :D

[3xist]

All the Secure DNS Servers infrastructure are designed to handle millions of people. :)

If anyone has any issues that need sorted with COMODO, feel free to PM me so we can resolve 1 on 1.

Cheers,
Josh

[rocky6]

Ok, i decided to test comodo out. I really like the program and it's fast compared to the others i've used. Quesion is, COMODO Firewall-Updater has been running for about 1hr and 20mins so far. I can't click on it to see how far it is but it's still there. Is something wrong? Seems like a awful long time for a update. Edit clicked offline and showed it was at 54% but wasn't moving so i stopped it restarted computer and did a manual update and it went through in about 20 seconds. Not sure what happened.

[ronjor]

Let's stay on the thread topic. -{ Quote: "Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released" }-

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "Nice. Even less strain on the Comodo servers haha." }-

Glad to help. Hopefully others will join me. :).

A man is judged by what he does...the same can be said of a software company.

Later...

[ypestis]

We can make things more murky than they need to be.
We can "feed the Grey".
To me it is pretty black/white.
Comodo/the software=good,even under-rated.
Comodo/ the corporate entity= One shady lady.

[Someone]

-{ Quote: "Well, I too don't like this way to present the toolbar, and I agree with you. But, boys ...You all surely use Google, or Yahoo, FaceBook, MySpace, Hotmail...and then blogs, social networks, IM services.. WebSites, Forums... all free ? all pure, all clean ? How many banners, pop up, coockies, AdSenses you see, read, receive, accept ? And how really you know of all this ? Must I go on ?

I don't like all this, yeah, but Internet is also this, the Web lives also with this. I don't like, and I don't like in a security software, ok. But I don't understand why to be shocked, why to be scandalized and to claim only now, only for Comodo toolbar. Do you want definitevely purity, cleanliness, not commercial surfing ? Well, stop most part of your internet actvities.

p.s.: I don't work for Comodo :D :D , I use his fw with D+ but not his av, I use and I try a lot of security softwares looking for the best for me, and I miss System Safety Monitor. My is only a pessimistic but realistic post.
" }-
IMHO Comodo is shooting themselves in the foot. As another poster has said, Melih is the only one who has to go around saying how they're not in it for the money and are trying to make the Internet a safer place, creating trust online, etc, thus which puts them to a higher standard.

[clocks]

My Comodo just auto-updated to version 3.10.102194.530.

[Makav3l1]

Comodo is offering a FREE security product where the only "inconvenience" is unchecking a few boxes during installation. Quit crying.

[ypestis]

FREE products without questionable associations,tool bars,tricky-dick installs etc.:
AVG
Avira
Avast!
WinPatrol
Sandboxie
Returnil
Prevx
Online Armour
Ad infinitum.

Comodo is not the only company to offer free programs,but they damn sure are the last to fail to tell their right hand what their left hand does.

[arran]

-{ Quote: "Sure thing, and I knew either you or Boost would attempt to rip my point out by saying my logic is flawed etc. " }-

So In other words you knew that you were wrong to begin with.

-{ Quote: " That's why I added that "I hope the point is clear there". To clarify, " }-

the only point that you have made is that you don't really have a valid point.

-{ Quote: " To clarify, the point is that you can have bad motives but if you create something great that "works well", it doesn't change that it "works well". " }-

again it is not wise to use a security product from an UNTRUSTWORTHY vendor or person. Even if it works well. whether it works well or not is irrelevant.

-{ Quote: ". Of course you could argue this point, as you tend to always try to do with all my points. I guess it makes Wilders more interesting at least haha." }-

I don't remember arguing this same thing before.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "but with comodo selling certs to Malware vendors sites etc, so some of us have trust issues with comodo.
" }-

On this malware issue, Comodo revoke anyone misusing Comodo digital certs period. Just once the reporting failed and Comodo were delayed in revoking a misused cert, and all this issue about false statements about how Comodo does sell to certs to malware sites is about us being slow in one incident. Digital Cert misuse happens, will continue to happen. Just like many other misuses we have in the world. I believe Comodo have a pretty decent system for revocation and and they do improve it.

FACT: All posted by Melih here:

http://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/comodo_continues_to_issue_certificates_to_known_malware-t39564.0.html;msg286754#msg286754

http://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/comodo_continues_to_issue_certificates_to_known_malware-t39564.0.html;msg286775#msg286775

http://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/comodo_continues_to_issue_certificates_to_known_malware-t39564.0.html;msg286782#msg286782

Cheers,
Josh

[Yanix]

-{ Quote: "Hi

Ive been using comodo 3.9 and after the update to 3.10 ive seen a strange thing: the update settings is gone.
The problem for me is there was a setting for not sending pending files to comodo.
Is this a bug, or is it volunteer ??

Comdo 3.9 => http://i41.tinypic.com/30ufnyh.jpg
(mise a jour is update in english)
(soumettre automatiquement... is send automatically pending files to Comodo)

Comdo 3.10 => http://i42.tinypic.com/foofb5.jpg" }-

I put the correct images now.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Yes, you're right. The update setting seems to be missing in this latest release. I guess there'll be another emergency build out soon 3xist?" }-

I'm not too sure mate. :)

Cheers,
Josh

[3xist]

Thank you to the wilders moderators for not closing this thread and removing SOME of the off topic That's really appreciative! Thanks! (Non Sarcasm btw)...

Cheers,
Josh

[BlueZannetti]

To all,

A large number of posts, ranging from tangentially related to completely unrelated to the thread topic, have been removed.

Stay on topic, stay off personnally directed comments. If you can't follow that straightforward guidance, the thread will be closed.

Blue

[jmonge]

one thing i can say this software is very good at protecting your entire Os and for ''free'' no vendors give such a tool for free:) if you guys dont like the tool bars dont install it;) and for sure dont make comodo your home page too;) just use the free tool ''comodo'':thumb:

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "one thing i can say this software is very good at protecting your entire Os and for ''free'' no vendors give such a tool for free:) if you guys dont like the tool bars dont install it;) and for sure dont make comodo your home page too;) just use the free tool ''comodo'':thumb:" }-

I don't think it's any better than some other programs, and it's up to the user whether to trust it. For me it's more than a matter of "don't install the toolbar."

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I don't think it's any better than some other programs, and it's up to the user whether to trust it. For me it's more than a matter of "don't install the toolbar."" }-
if one dig deep inside this tool and test it and see what is under the D+ hood may change your mind,anyway you are correct when you said that it is up to what the user likes to use :)

cheers

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "if one dig deep inside this tool and test it and see what is under the D+ hood may change your mind


" }-

It would be not a bad idea to share this, isn't ?

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "
It would be not a bad idea to share this, isn't ?" }-it is very simple for example i tested MD,EqSecure,SSM,PG,RTD,D+,Winpatrol PLus for how to block or block/terminate a process in real time and the the only one that really blocks stuff for sure without loading(terminated/blocked processess)was D+:thumb: :thumb:
note:MD blocks stuff too but it takes alitle more time efford:thumb:
and you know as the other hips you have to set the hips as/untill your heart is content;D

[blacknight]

Thanks. But I miss SSM: if Vitsk had continued the development, implemented the file protection... :(

[jmonge]

YEAH i tested is very nice indeed but very sad development is dead now:'(

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I've always suspected that Defense+ and Malware Defender are the strongest classical HIPS out there. I'm surprised that EQSecure failed to impress you though...perhaps you didn't configure it properly?" }-

with Alcyon's rules, EQSecure shuld be near impregnable :P

[Wildest]

Since this thread is about Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released I would like to ask question related to this topic.

Will this be the last release of CIS that has the gratuitous "feature" of opt-in-by-default of Ask Toolbar?

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "HopSurf is Comodo's fully own developed toolbar. The toolbar is NOT Ask. Only if you search in the toolbar, It will be based on Ask search engine. That's it. Comodo listened to users and REMOVED the ask toolbar. The rewording in CIS installer should be changed to "Make COMODO my home page" and not Ask. Like the separate Hopsurf installer which has that, It's been passed on." }-
Why is Ask the search engine?

-{ Quote: "Why is HopSurf selected by default? It's more then a toolbar that just sits there for satisfaction. It's a PURE "Social Authentication Tool" and is the next level to stumble upon. You can rate sites, If you like/dislike them, Go to your favorite sites, Share that with other people, Exchange popular/favorite sites of your own with other people and so on. If many people use it, HopSurf will have a good database of sites that are popular, liked, disliked, etc and people will be able to access them right there, right now without having to go through PAGES of Google web searches for example. It's a way to watch Internet on your PC. This is why it's checked by default, It's a pure Social Authentication Tool." }-
Sorry, but I still don't understand why a social authentication tool should be opt-in by default in a security program!

[CogitoTesting]

Well Then everybody has the right to their opinion. Consequently, I will express mine. If you do not like Comodo then do not complain abou it, simply do not use their products. I really do not understand why is it so difficult to untick a selection, if one does want a toolbar and proceed with the installation?

By the way Comodo is not alone in this; there are other companies that provide the Yahoo, Msn, Ask, Google toolbars. In the end nobody will be able to install anything since a toolbar option is provided by default. ;D


Peace.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Well Then everybody has the right to their opinion. Consequently, I will express mine. If you do not like Comodo then do not complain abou it, simply do not use their products. I really do not understand why is it so difficult to untick a selection, if one does want a toolbar and proceed with the installation?

By the way Comodo is not alone in this; there are other companies that provide the Yahoo, Msn, Ask, Google toolbars. In the end nobody will be able to install anything since a toolbar option is provided by default. ;D


Peace." }-

if nobody pointed out flaws or complained about a product, nothing wuld ever happen and nothing wuld change, everything wuld stay the same and thats just not how the world works, everything needs some sort of criticism otherwise ther wuld be nothing to give the dev's any motivation to change their flaws.

the difference is this is a security program that want's u to install a toolbar and those other apps are just regular progs and if they are a security prog then chances are its been discussed before.

[CogitoTesting]

-{ Quote: "if nobody pointed out flaws or complained about a product, nothing wuld ever happen and nothing wuld change, everything wuld stay the same and thats just not how the world works, everything needs some sort of criticism otherwise ther wuld be nothing to give the dev's any motivation to change their flaws.

the difference is this is a security program that want's u to install a toolbar and those other apps are just regular progs and if they are a security prog then chances are its been discussed before." }-

The so-call flaw has been pointed out already, now it is beating on a dead horse. Beside, the default selection of a toolbar is not a flaw.

Peace.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "The so-call flaw has been pointed out already, now it is beating on a dead horse. Beside, the default selection of a toolbar is not a flaw.

Peace." }-

ur saying having a security software to auto opt-in the installation of a SOCIAL Networking toolbar is normal and not wrong? :dry: and the more its repeated, maybe the message will eventually sink in to the dev's. if something doesn't happen, do protesters just stop protesting for change after the first time? no, thas the only way to get the point through sometimes.

[CogitoTesting]

-{ Quote: "ur saying having a security software to auto opt-in the installation of a SOCIAL Networking toolbar is normal and not wrong? :dry: and the more its repeated, maybe the message will eventually sink in to the dev's. if something doesn't happen, do protesters just stop protesting for change after the first time? no, thas the only way to get the point through sometimes." }-

You did not say wrong before you said flaw. So I pointed out that having a toolbar selected by default is not a flaw. However, now you said wrong. To me it is not wrong, to you it is; and let's leave it at that. Beside, I was just expressing my opinion and you were just expressing yours. In conclusion let us all value and respect each other opinions.

Peace.

[Wildest]

Lol, look at the join Date of this CogitoTesting and the history of his posts.
Is this the best you can do?
:)

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "You did not say wrong before you said flaw. So I pointed out that having a toolbar selected by default is not a flaw. However, now you said wrong. To me it is not wrong, to you it is; and let's leave it at that. Beside, I was just expressing my opinion and you were just expressing yours. In conclusion let us all value and respect each other opinions.

Peace." }-

i have no idea what u just said, all i see is like double negatives everywer ??? and something that is flawed can be wrong, either way it is a negative aspect of CIS.

[3xist]

I am really still shocked to see all these off topic/non purposive post that prove no beneficiary to a user who is interested in that "Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released" - And now the thread will be closed by a Wilders Moderator/Admin because those users also punished the OP by poisoning the thread and that is just simply unfair.

I am not a moderator here, But I hope people respect other peoples opinions and stick with the thread title in the future especially when it has to do with COMODO. A Wilders Mod warned once, A Wilders Admin removed posts and warned twice, Yet people still don't get it and carry on about half-cocked statements with no facts to back up there posts.

Thank you to the people who did PM me for help/feedback without any of this inconvenience caused.

Cheers,
Josh

[firzen771]

i dont understand how this is off-topic at all, this thread is about the NEW release of CIS right? and the Hopsurf toolbar or w/e its called is NEW to this release correct? so now explain to me how discussing this toolbar and the NEW DNS Service is off-topic from the title which is to talk about the NEW release. as i said, just cuz its not happy and the comments aren't to suit ur wants, doesn't mean it doesn't apply.

the thread title isnt "if you need help with CIS post here" so thats fine ur getting PM's for assistance, thats how it should be, this thread is to discuss the new release, whether it be positive or negative aspects of it, thats something ull need to learn to deal with cuz thats just how things are, not everything is gunna be positive praising of CIS, sorry to burst ur bubble.

and the lack of proof u mentioned, lol the proof is right in front of everyone who installs this program and from history as well. and the proof from the DNS service, well thats what im looking for, where's some sort of agreement for privacy for the DNS? i haven't seen it and thats something that sounds pretty reasonable to have as a minimum in my opinion, where is ANY proof from Comodo that their DNS is truely "faster", "smarter" etc. sorry but their word isn't gunna cut it for me. so before you saying how our remarks is proof less waste of time, why don't you show some proof from ur side of the issue.

[firzen771]

i agree, this shuld not become a personal thread and thats why i havent posted anything personal, ive talked strictly about the product in question and i can't help if some people don't like criticism about a piece of software.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "It's good to crticise (constructive). Otherwise Comodo will not improve." }-

agreed, and the toolbar is definetly an area of improvement, if they wuld like an effective toolbar, look at Norton's, it isn't half bad, in general those site rating type of toolbar's are the only type being effectively and practically used in a Security Software IMO. but having a toolbar like theirs, for social networking or searching is just a bad idea for this purpose.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Agreed and that's why I don't use their toolbar." }-

its good that u didnt install it, but having it included in the package at all is big miss IMO, bad idea from the start to have something so irrelevant to be included in a Security Suite. it just has no place there.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Since this thread is about Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released I would like to ask question related to this topic.

Will this be the last release of CIS that has the gratuitous "feature" of opt-in-by-default of Ask Toolbar?" }-
I find it interesting that this question that I have presented has been so easily ignored.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I find it interesting that this question that I have presented has been so easily ignored." }-

ill answer it, probably no, im sure they will have it still as is...

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Try asking on the Comodo forums perhaps. 3xist probably doesn't know the answer to that." }-
Look here buddy, unless you and 3xist are twins, or one and the same, let him speak for himself, and I already know your positions, ok?
Just give it a rest.

[3xist]

COMODO don't use Ask Toolbar Anymore, period. Only Search Engine is based on ASK. And yes it will be kept left default opt-in, It's a fun social tool but in the end its doing it for a good cause to help users share sites, rate them, etc. :)

You don't like that? Then that's a shame! I can't do anything about that. ;)

Cheers,
Josh

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "COMODO don't use Ask Toolbar Anymore, period. Only Search Engine is based on ASK." }-
Is this a from-the-ground-up implementation, or is this simply a reworked UI with the underlying Ask system functions intact?

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Is this a from-the-ground-up implementation, or is this simply a reworked UI with the underlying Ask system functions intact?" }-

Nope. This is a ground up solution, FULLY Developed by COMODO. It took a while to build the toolbar because of the infrastructure that supports HopSurf. Only the engine is based on Ask, Again.

Cheers,
Josh

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Nope. This is a ground up solution, FULLY Developed by COMODO. It took a while to build the toolbar because of the infrastructure that supports HopSurf. Only the engine is based on Ask, Again.

Cheers,
Josh" }-If it is ground up, engine cannot be based on Ask, and if engine is based on Ask, isn't this just the Ask Toolbar by another name with a different face?

[arran]

-{ Quote: "
Sorry, but I still don't understand why a social authentication tool should be opt-in by default in a security program!" }-

+1

I don't understand either why it needs to be opt-in by default on a Security program.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "If it is ground up, engine cannot be based on Ask, and if engine is based on Ask, isn't this just the Ask Toolbar by another name with a different face?" }-

Nope.

I'm not sure what you don't understand?
Search Engine = Ask
Toolbar = Comodo

Comodo listened to the users and REMOVED the Ask Toolbar. That's it. HopSurf Toolbar was implemented, And acts a Social Authentication Tool.

Cheers,
Josh

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Nope.

I'm not sure what you don't understand?
Search Engine = Ask
Toolbar = Comodo

Comodo listened to the users and REMOVED the Ask Toolbar. That's it. HopSurf Toolbar was implemented, And acts a Social Authentication Tool.
" }-
Ok.
Function of Ask Toolbar was to direct users to use Ask service, so this was User -> Ask Toolbar -> Ask Service.
Function of this "HopSurf" Toolbar appears to be to direct users to use Ask service, or User -> HopSurf Toolbar -> Ask Service, so isn't the end result the same?
I can get rid of my male cook and get a female cook. Undoubtedly they are completely different, but the end result is that they are both there to cook a steak!

[3xist]

Guys...

This isn't about money! this isn't about tactics to get some money, Comodo make money selling Digital Certificates and in return give end users free security! Its a respectful business model and win-win for COMODO and end users. HopSurf IS for a good cause... Authenticating websites. I hope you guys read up on it, If MORE people use it, Then people have access to more popular websites, rated web sites, without going through PAGES of google web pages! It’s a way to discover new and relevant sites on Internet, To be able to figure out which of the billions of pages/sites is good/bad/liked/disliked it is very difficult to just rely on a company with people to check them all. This is where Social Authentication comes into equation. The more you rate sites, etc, the better.

This is only the start of it, it will develop. NOT for the $$.

Cheers,
Josh

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "I am really still shocked to see all these off topic/non purposive post that prove no beneficiary to a user who is interested in that "Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released" - And now the thread will be closed by a Wilders Moderator/Admin because those users also punished the OP by poisoning the thread and that is just simply unfair.

I am not a moderator here, But I hope people respect other peoples opinions and stick with the thread title in the future especially when it has to do with COMODO. A Wilders Mod warned once, A Wilders Admin removed posts and warned twice, Yet people still don't get it and carry on about half-cocked statements with no facts to back up there posts.

Thank you to the people who did PM me for help/feedback without any of this inconvenience caused.
" }-
Inconvenience is the way you treat your users and others that wants to know the truth!

I will try to reply for you my very difficult answers:
Comodo have the toolbar opt-in by default because they know that majority of users will not care, or don't understand, about that, so this is the best way to get money very easy, and since IE is the most used browser...

This is why Comodo did a very bad step, because the users want to install a security program, and then they will also install junk without knowing...
Is this expected from a security program? Of course not.

Comodo created a free program with the slogan "Creating Trust Online" and other thing from its CEO, getting the trust of a lot of users, and now take the advantage of that to show its real intentions...

Why you guys can't go right to the point!?

[Someone]

-{ Quote: "Guys...

This isn't about money! this isn't about tactics to get some money, Comodo make money selling Digital Certificates and in return give end users free security! Its a respectful business model and win-win for COMODO and end users. HopSurf IS for a good cause... Authenticating websites. I hope you guys read up on it, If MORE people use it, Then people have access to more popular websites, rated web sites, without going through PAGES of google web pages! It’s a way to discover new and relevant sites on Internet, To be able to figure out which of the billions of pages/sites is good/bad/liked/disliked it is very difficult to just rely on a company with people to check them all. This is where Social Authentication comes into equation. The more you rate sites, etc, the better.

This is only the start of it, it will develop. NOT for the $$.

Cheers,
Josh" }-
I find the statements of Comodo saying "we're not in it for the money" and "we're giving away free security because we want the internet to be a safer place" to be rather absurd. It is obvious that Comodo is giving away free security software to advertise their paid services, and the connections with Ask clearly shows Comodo is in it for money.

[andyman35]

Why are people still debating the Ask toolbar when 3xist has clearly stated multiple times that it's no longer a part of CIS,does the guy have a dishonest face or something?

[3xist]

Guys...

Please... I am trying my best here to help people and at the same time I have tired to address the ASK toolbar issue and the Comodo giving certs to malware domain issue and explained it multiple times before! I have explained HopSurf and it's use, I explained why the Comodo giving certs to malware domain issues, and I explained that Ask Toolbar is no longer apart of it.

People still are posting mis-leading comments and half cocked ones... Like Some One for example:

-{ Quote: "It is obvious that Comodo is giving away free security software to advertise their paid services" }-

Again, No Fact to back this up.

You know what... a Friend of mine said to me this: "responsible people should make as much money as possible, because they will do responsible things with it" - This is what COMODO are doing. Comodo follow a responsible business model in which Comodo is trying to make sure everyone is happy with providing free service to end users while Comodo still benefiting from it. Users are happy cos its free, Comodo is happy cos they get brand awareness and more business from enterprise and additional services that end users might buy from COMODO is also great. The more Comodo make the more Comodo share, cos they do follow a responsible biz model. It's not in everyones interest or to understand this, and Comodo including my self do respect that.

-{ Quote: "and the connections with Ask clearly shows Comodo is in it for money." }-

AGAIN, No fact to back this up!

COMODO got rid of the Ask Toolbar! They listened to users and developed there OWN Toolbar, period! ONLY the Search Engine is based on Ask. Please also read the above.

I can EXPLAIN all three points again for anyone:
Ask Toolbar
Comodo giving certs to malware domains
Hop Surf

Make a pick... Because I am here to help and try to help users who are trying/using CIS feel comfortable without misleading comments.

Cheers,
Josh

[Einsturzende]

may I ask, why Ask search engine, why not Google, it have better searching capabilities or why we cant choose search engine? why any search engine when we can choose one with browser, why toolbar with searching capabilities when all modern browsers already have it?
I have no issue when I was using Comodo to use Ask and to some amount of money goes to Comodo, but since you say that is not a case, why to bother with any of engines?

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Inconvenience is the way you treat your users and others that wants to know the truth!

I will try to reply for you my very difficult answers:
Comodo have the toolbar opt-in by default because they know that majority of users will not care, or don't understand, about that, so this is the best way to get money very easy, and since IE is the most used browser...

This is why Comodo did a very bad step, because the users want to install a security program, and then they will also install junk without knowing...
Is this expected from a security program? Of course not.

Comodo created a free program with the slogan "Creating Trust Online" and other thing from its CEO, getting the trust of a lot of users, and now take the advantage of that to show its real intentions...

Why you guys can't go right to the point!?" }-
Interesting also is the logic that the replacement of the Ask Toolbar with the Comodo-developed HopSurf Toolbar in this release is proof that Comodo "listened" to its users, even though ultimately they both do the same thing, which is to drive search traffic to Ask's servers.

I agree, rdsu, at issue is a process whereby the potential naiveté of the end-user is deliberately targeted by a security vendor by using an opt-in-by-default option, so that said vendor might gain financially.

[firzen771]

lol i love how much 3xist is defending this toolbar which is still using the ASK search engine which in turn is accomplishing the exact same bs as the previous toolbar, more searches coming from the "new" toolbar, more money goes their way, its the EXACT same complete **** from the previous and Comodo is trying to give it a new pretty face, dont try to bs people who aren't that stupid to see this. if ur going to defend something, dont be so ignorant to think Comodo are the holy saints.

and 2nd, why the hell wuld people intentionally be installing CIS and WANT a stupid social networking toolbar, thats completely useless, theyre are sooo many INDIVIDUAL APPS MEANT FOR THAT TASK ALONE that people CHOOSE to download for the purpose, nobody wants this crappy social toolbar which adds a vulnerability in a piece of software meant to protect them.

it irritates me soo much when people try to cover up the ugly side of an issue, normally this topic wuldnt be as heated but some people insist on trying to yell out complete garbage about this toolbar being good and making perfect sense to include in this software when it clearly doesn't and everyone can see that.

and yet again i haven't heard a response to my question about some sort of privacy agreement for the DNS service? is Comodo not giving one so that way they dont have any restriction on what they can do with w/e info they get?

[rdsu]

Since they doesn't treat the users like they deserve and should be, I will not care about Comodo anymore and will advice against using their programs.

And like firzen771, we are not blind or stupid!

For those that still need some help to see and understand this, take a look here:
http://www.calendarofupdates.com/updates/index.php?showtopic=19279&view=findpost&p=83848

[smage]

The toolbar issue seems inevitable these days, even Norton toolbar uses the ASK search engine if I am not mistaken and the last time I tried Zonealarm(last year), I found that it bundled the ASK toolbar with it. When my Mcafee site advisor updated itself, it silently installed the Yahoo toolbar with it. Users should simply opt out and the problem is solved, if they still do not like the product or find it too complicated, they should simply uninstall it and use an alternative product. Common sense is the best defence these days.

[Makav3l1]

If you don't like Comodo Internet Security, don't want to use it, or don't have anything helpful to users experiencing problems running it then STOP posting in this thread. It is that simple.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "The toolbar issue seems inevitable these days, even Norton toolbar uses the ASK search engine if I am not mistaken and the last time I tried Zonealarm(last year), I found that it bundled the ASK toolbar with it. When my Mcafee site advisor updated itself, it silently installed the Yahoo toolbar with it. Users should simply opt out and the problem is solved, if they still do not like the product or find it too complicated, they should simply uninstall it and use an alternative product. Common sense is the best defence these days." }-
Hmm...

About this Ask Toolbar:
Let's say that Kaspersky put an opt-in-by-default checkbox in their 30 day trial of KIS that said,
"Install Ask Toolbar and receive free one-year license!" ;D
Everyone would say, "Wow, what a good deal! You can just deselect this box if you don't want free one year license, but even if you miss it, you can just uninstall this toolbar later if you want and still have this great one year license!"

About this SSL Certs:
The company that makes my washing machine also makes guidance systems for nuclear missiles.
I might believe nuclear missiles are immoral and inhumane weapons, but this alone will not stop me from using their washing machine.

Currently, IMO neither of these issues are valid reasons to stop recommending CIS completely.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "If you don't like Comodo Internet Security, don't want to use it, or don't have anything helpful to users experiencing problems running it then STOP posting in this thread. It is that simple." }-
Friend, if it were not for the healthy and open debate prior, I would not have been able to come to the conclusion posted previously. ;)
It is still on topic to discuss the "merits" of this HopSurf Toolbar and its true reason for being, since it became available in this release.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "If you don't like Comodo Internet Security, don't want to use it, or don't have anything helpful to users experiencing problems running it then STOP posting in this thread. It is that simple." }-
Ask tool bar is bad. There is no doubt. And it's helpful to discuss this so that users can know what's going on and the developers wil know what people don't like.

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Ask tool bar is bad. There is no doubt. And it's helpful to discuss this so that users can know what's going on and the developers wil know what people don't like." }-


I agree, but it would be better to divide the 3D, or to start another 3D about the others CIS 3.10 issues, features, comments. I'm a bit bored to open this 3D seeing new posts and to find only about Ask tool bar - that I don't like, I already said it, but it seems that fundamentalism is the owner of this 3D, so I repeat it ;D .

[aigle]

Agree with you but to be honest it's painful to see security software makers behaving like this. I just can't stop my self.

[Hiker]

-{ Quote: "Ask tool bar is bad. There is no doubt. And it's helpful to discuss this so that users can know what's going on and the developers wil know what people don't like." }-

I don't see the problem. What makes it so bad???

If you don't want the toolbar, don't install it. It's similar to the Yahoo toolbar that CCleaner tries to push on you at every upgrade. Simply uncheck the box.

[Wildest]

I have solution to this problem.
Since CIS is comparable to KIS, Comodo should have a version to match it.
Then make both that and the current available for download.

These would be:
1) 30 day trial with a $30-$40 license, and no Ask search engine in the build, (to compare with KIS).
2) Free, with opt-in-by-default at instalation Ask search engine.
;D

[dw426]

Guys, they aren't going to change no matter how much moaning and groaning goes on, especially if it goes on at a forum other than their own. I don't like it either and I'm NOT going to use it. If any of you are familiar with the Firefox addon "Stumbleupon", then you may agree with me that this "Hopsurf" thing does NOT belong in a security application, opt-in/out or otherwise, it just doesn't.

I could go on about other dislikes, but I'm not going to bother with that. The simple fact is, no matter how stupid it is, Comodo is on a toolbar fix right now and they don't seem to be willing to change, so arguing about it over and over and going after each others throats isn't going to do a damned thing.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "I don't see the problem. " }-

This is the big problem indeed. :)

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "I don't see the problem. What makes it so bad???

If you don't want the toolbar, don't install it. It's similar to the Yahoo toolbar that CCleaner tries to push on you at every upgrade. Simply uncheck the box." }-

Hiker, people went nuts over the ASK bar due to past activities by the company. However, they've supposedly changed, but, like always, your past can come back to haunt you. Another story for another time though. The real question is why in a security application? I could get over the ASK thing, nobody has yet to really prove they are as "evil" as they used to be, but something like Hopsurf does NOT belong there, IMHO.

[funkydude]

-{ Quote: "but something like Hopsurf does NOT belong there, IMHO." }-

When you have other companies bringing out superior protection for free you need new features to justify selecting your product over the other one.

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "When you have other companies bringing out superior protection for free you need new features to justify selecting your product over the other one." }-

Hehe, they messed up because that "feature" justifies me NOT using them ;)

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "To all those that say it does not belong to a security application...well, what other company is offering full versions of their Firewall AND classical HIPS AND Antivirus completely free, and not stripped down at all?

EDIT: As I said before, I think that toolbar is for Comodo's income. Fair enough, in my opinion. I get a great free Firewall and classical HIPS (and antivirus), and I am not using that toolbar." }-

Ssj, your point is well taken, but the lack of other companies offering "everything but the kitchen sink" doesn't make the "gift" of an added function that finds new websites and lets people rate them any better of an idea. Do you REALLY want the problems that plague apps like Siteadvisor in your firewall and HIPS program? I'm fully aware you can opt out of it, but does the IDEA of it sound good to you?

Edit: I fear the complaints and back and forth arguments aren't going to stop until one day Comodo either decides to go full pay and leave out the junk or just collapses. They've shot themselves in the foot twice now and as we've all seen in their forums, they don't handle the outcome very well. They're just walking into one mess after another sadly.

[goranilic]

Is it OK to to have Comodo Internet Security along with avast!home edition on Vista?
Or with Webroot AV/AS on my laptop XP Profesional SP3
Thank you,
Gor

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Is it OK to to have Comodo Internet Security along with avast!home edition on Vista?
Or with Webroot AV/AS on my laptop XP Profesional SP3
Thank you,
Gor" }-

CIS runs fine by it self. Hence running with another AV can cause conflicts.

Cheers,
Josh

[demoneye]

yes, comodo av is not good enough to fully replace major known avs like nod32 and avira , but its firewall and hips ownz the market and should be used along side avira to achieve the best security software can give and yes for FREE hehe

[nielsson]

Quote from Melih regarding the toolbar (http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/why_is_hopsurf_selected_by_default-t42012.0.html;msg304858#msg304858):
-{ Quote: "No its NOT ask toolbar..
its a Comodo developed toolbar.. our own software developers wrote hopsurf....
if you do a search we still use ask search engine for that... but NOT their toolbar.

Hopsurf is a social authentication infrastructure and yes it does offer searching as one of its many functions.

Melih" }-

Its a new toolbar, not made by a shady company. But searches will still be powered by ask.

[smage]

-{ Quote: "Ask tool bar is bad. There is no doubt. And it's helpful to discuss this so that users can know what's going on and the developers wil know what people don't like." }-

I wonder why some people are not able to opt out of the toolbar but they are smart enough to understand the alerts of Defence+.

I really enjoy these threads relating to Comodo, there is so much passion on both sides.
Haha

[Airflow]

-{ Quote: "COMODO Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released" }-
Version is a little confusing 3.9 then 3.10. What about 3.09 then 3.10?

[Wildest]

I would imagine that the more adamantly one insists that they are not doing something to make money, the more difficult it becomes to actually make money on it.

Unfortunately, there is very bad taste sensation involved with eating your own words.

[Wildest]

Ok, after reading so much rhetoric I decide to install the full CIS on a box to used by another, someone who expects her computer to run like her stove.

After installation and requested reboot, I get message from Windows Security Center that definitions are too old.

Open up CIS and try to do update, and get this message:
Failed to update the virus signatue datebase.
Please check you internet connection and try again.

Since I don't use AV component of CIS, I don't worry too much about having latest update, but for someone who use AV, CIS is very poor.. the entire AV component is poor, the ThreatCast is extremely poor...

Comodo needs to update its infrastructure.

[firzen771]

for the people who say we shouldnt debate this in this thread. if u even try to complain about something on comodo forums they wıll just ban you and then the problem is solved for them. so its pretty pointless to do that over ther. they only accept praise for CİS on their forums... ::)

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "for the people who say we shouldnt debate this in this thread. if u even try to complain about something on comodo forums they wıll just ban you and then the problem is solved for them. so its pretty pointless to do that over ther. they only accept praise for CİS on their forums... ::)" }-
And what's even funnier about it is that a Comodo forum mod comes to Wilders and tries to make comments about the quality of moderation here. :shifty:

[Airflow]

-{ Quote: "Since I don't use AV component of CIS, I don't worry too much about having latest update, but for someone who use AV, CIS is very poor.. the entire AV component is poor, the ThreatCast is extremely poor..." }-lol

We only need comodo for the great firewall part.;D

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "And what's even funnier about it is that a Comodo forum mod comes to Wilders and tries to make comments about the quality of moderation here. :shifty:" }-

Their software all the way around is a joke--literally :P

[Airflow]

-{ Quote: "Their software all the way around is a joke--literally " }-
No I don´t think so. Comodo created a great firewall+hip and changed a lot imho. It also pushed outpost firewall that it became better and now nobody will ever talk again about zone alarm, many good points.

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "for the people who say we shouldnt debate this in this thread. if u even try to complain about something on comodo forums they wıll just ban you and then the problem is solved for them. ::)" }-
this is totally not true

-{ Quote: "No I don´t think so. Comodo created a great firewall+hip and changed a lot imho. It also pushed outpost firewall that it became better and now nobody will ever talk again about zone alarm, many good points." }-
should be noted that we now have free version of OP which is by miles more functional than old version of free OP... Comodo changed a lot in FW industry

[Wildest]

According to Comodo ,CIS has 15 million installations?
Its very poor usability can only mean that millions of people think they have tier-1 protection when they do not.:(

I have had to remove this Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 from my sister's friend's computer and install NIS.
CIS is suits me currently, because I like having the feeling of total control, but IMO it is not suitable for the average user.
All they have really done since release of v3 is make some settings default to reduce pop-ups, but the overly excitable pop-up mechanism is still there.

CIS can only provide world-class protection if it is in expert hands.
(Maybe that is why they are pushing for the unknown-tech-in-unknown-country to take full control of your pc... :dry: )

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "
CIS is suits me currently, because I like having the feeling of total control, but IMO it is not suitable for the average user.
All they have really done since release of v3 is make some settings default to reduce pop-ups, but the overly excitable pop-up mechanism is still there." }-
Totally agree. Infact it,s true for any classical HIPS, they can never be for ordinary users.

IMO they must have two options on install.

1- Default mode - it will install only AV with basic firewall( with a very good white list) and no HIPS( may some very smart behav blocker in place)
2- Expert mode - with all bells n whistles

[jmonge]

but it is a good idea to dirty hand on such configurable hips programs making as your heart is content:)

[aigle]

Again for us, not for ordinary users. Not at all.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: " ...no HIPS( may some very smart behav blocker in place)" }-
IMO Comodo currently lacks the resources to make this a reality, a smart behav blocker, so I do not expect this anytime soon.

[jmonge]

i know eagle;)

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "IMO Comodo currently lacks the resources to make this a reality, a smart behav blocker, so I do not expect this anytime soon." }-
CIMA (http://camas.comodo.com/) is extremely useful, if they manage to shorten analyze time on/for local machine for new executable, behav blocker will be more than enough for n00bz, hopefully in v.4...

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "CIMA (http://camas.comodo.com/) is extremely useful, if they manage to shorten analyze time on local machine for new executable, behav blocker will be ready for v.4..." }-
Given the poor usability of both the v2 and v3 lines, I would be surprised if the artificial intelligence of this behav blocker broke any significant new ground.

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Totally agree. Infact it,s true for any classical HIPS, they can never be for ordinary users.

IMO they must have two options on install.

1- Default mode - it will install only AV with basic firewall( with a very good white list) and no HIPS( may some very smart behav blocker in place)
2- Expert mode - with all bells n whistles" }-


There is a third option to do for ordinary users: a set of preconfigured rules for most part of the common applications in the HIPS, as KIS 2009 had. So the user is partially - or very partially - protected: he doesn't know what HIPS makes, but HIPS something makes. ;D

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "There is a third option to do for ordinary users: a set of preconfigured rules for most part of the common applications in the HIPS, as KIS 2009 had. So the user is partially - or very partially - protected: he doesn't know what HIPS makes, but HIPS something makes. ;D " }-
IMO Comodo themselves are still learning how to tame their own HIPS, and do not do a very good job at making default configurations.
The default configurations of other vendors provide a better balance for the average user.

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "There is a third option to do for ordinary users: a set of preconfigured rules for most part of the common applications in the HIPS, as KIS 2009 had. So the user is partially - or very partially - protected: he doesn't know what HIPS makes, but HIPS something makes. ;D " }-
for that to manage they need to change complete logic of D+, CIMA would be very useful there, like automatic analyzer is for KIS, Comodo already have all parts, but implementation and will to do that is another story...

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "IMO Comodo themselves are still learning how to tame their own HIPS, and do not do a very good job at making default configurations.
The default configurations of other vendors provide a better balance for the average user." }-

Ya, definitevely agree. ;) But I only replied to the AIGLE post: I wrote it as a theoric hypothesis - how it would be possible to help an average user to use an HIPS - not as a suggest to Comodo team.
Also because I didn't like KIS 2009 way, as often wrote here in the past.
Agree that a real HIPS must be completely configurable by expert users and stop. When I used SSM, for exemple, I prefered don't use learning mode after the post installation reboot, but to set all manually.

[nielsson]

-{ Quote: "for the people who say we shouldnt debate this in this thread. if u even try to complain about something on comodo forums they wıll just ban you and then the problem is solved for them. so its pretty pointless to do that over ther. they only accept praise for CİS on their forums... ::)" }-


Shame on you. :dry: :dry: Don't spit lies, there are many threads not praising and people bashing comodo over at the comodo forums.


-{ Quote: "And what's even funnier about it is that a Comodo forum mod comes to Wilders and tries to make comments about the quality of moderation here." }-

Funny is how you engage in every comodo topic just to trash talk it.. :ouch:

-{ Quote: "
yes, comodo av is not good enough to fully replace major known avs like nod32 and avira , but its firewall and hips ownz the market and should be used along side avira to achieve the best security software can give and yes for FREE hehe" }-
According to testing sites like malwareresearchgroup.com CIS AV scored only 0.3% worse than Nod.. and scored better than "major" brands such as F-Secure, AVG. McAffe.. No doubt comodo has a AV that need to evolve to become as "good" as Avira and similar.. But its not that far behind I think.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Shame on you. :dry: :dry: Don't spit lies, there are many threads not praising and people bashing comodo over at the comodo forums.
" }-
I must agree with this.
I have bashed Comodo many times in their forum and none of my posts were ever deleted.

I do understand why moderators delete posts here, however.
Since many of these threads are used as a future reference, it makes sense to "take out the trash", so that someone who does a search to look for meaningful information can find it quickly and easily.

[Eice]

-{ Quote: "Funny is how you engage in every comodo topic just to trash talk it.. :ouch:" }-
What were you expecting to see, fanboys undulating in rhythm to Melih's every word? If you haven't noticed yet, this is Wilders and not your precious Comodo forum, and here you get to see some real opinions instead of just the local fanboy populace working itself into an ecstasy over Comodo's propaganda.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "What were you expecting to see, fanboys undulating in rhythm to Melih's every word? If you haven't noticed yet, this is Wilders and not your precious Comodo forum, and here you get to see some real opinions instead of just the local fanboy populace working itself into an ecstasy over Comodo's propaganda." }-
I am sorry to add to this OT theme, but although I find the inclusion of the words "fanboy/fanboys" a souce of incitement, I must say that IMO there is definitely the feeling of being in the "Cult of Comodo" at their forums.

IAC, I will be uninstalling v3.9 and installing this v3.10 tomorrow.
IMO Comodo's update mechanism has been very poor; I must have had to do a clean reinstall of this product at least 7 times just because it could never remember its settings.
I wonder if this release will be any different? ???

[nielsson]

-{ Quote: "What were you expecting to see, fanboys undulating in rhythm to Melih's every word? If you haven't noticed yet, this is Wilders and not your precious Comodo forum, and here you get to see some real opinions instead of just the local fanboy populace working itself into an ecstasy over Comodo's propaganda." }-

I personally believe you should stop judging people that don't share your opinion. Whenever someone disagree and think CIS don't suck you attack them fiercely like now and tell them that they are "Melih" zombies or stuff of that nature.. :wacko:

You don't really know me.. And you don't know enough about the others to refer to them as brainwashed. You are acting really rude. :thumbd: :thumbd:

Fanboy or not it doesn't matter. Prove people wrong instead of just go the easy way when things heat up... "Your a Fanboy".. Its really tiering.
Fanboys talks all over the place.. There is Norton as well as KIS and OA fanboys here.. It does not make their arguments less worthy..

I was not expecting this, but Iam hoping for a thread where CIS is discussed both good and bad stuff but without personal attacks about what product a person like.. Iam sure you have one/many favorites products.. Perhaps making you a "fanboy" to some extent? :blink:

[firzen771]

im a bit confused. the previous version was 3.9 right? then shuldnt this one be v4 and not 3.10? or if it is supposed to be 3.10 wuldnt the previous release have to be 3.09?? their versions are a bit confusing... :-\

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "im a bit confused. the previous version was 3.9 right? then shuldnt this one be v4 and not 3.10? or if it is supposed to be 3.10 wuldnt the previous release have to be 3.09?? their versions are a bit confusing... :-\" }-
My guess is that when they released v3.1 they did not anticipate having to make more than nine major releases in the v3 line...

[sirio]

-{ Quote: "I wonder why some people are not able to opt out of the toolbar but they are smart enough to understand the alerts of Defence+." }-

I wonder also I the same thing... ;D

-{ Quote: "I really enjoy these threads relating to Comodo, there is so much passion on both sides.
Haha" }-

To me they amuse, apart some useless and poor comments (you see just above).

Updated to the build.531 ...all works well. Thanks Comodo. :thumb:

Regards.

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "Every product has an element of "fanboyism" to it. If people like the product, then they tend to express it. Do they fully understand how the product actually works? Probably not, in most cases. But then they genuinely like it. What's the big deal with expressing their opinions and being positive? At the very least, they are encouraging the Comodo company to keep up the good work. Comodo get their share of constructive criticism too, and again, this is really good for their development...
" }-This is all fine and nice, but IMO fanaticism on the Comodo forums go far beyond the average; they remind me of Linux forums, which why I like to think of them as, "The Cult of Comodo".

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "This is all fine and nice, but IMO fanaticism on the Comodo forums go far beyond the average; they remind me of Linux forums, which why I like to think of them as, "The Cult of Comodo"." }-...and here we have hateboys and cult of anti-Comodo, IMO

[Wildest]

-{ Quote: "...and here we have hateboys and cult of anti-Comodo, IMO" }-
I see no evidence of this "cult of anti-comodo".

There is no hive-like mentality here, just independent thinkers who happen to be of the same opinion.

[nielsson]

-{ Quote: "This is all fine and nice, but IMO fanaticism on the Comodo forums go far beyond the average; they remind me of Linux forums, which why I like to think of them as, "The Cult of Comodo"." }-

OA fanboys is the worse IMO.

They are the ones taking fanboyism to the fanatic levels.. Without pinpointing, very active OA member comes here and is extremely active trashing CIS.
Many will trash talk CIS whenever they get the opportunity..

Its all about trashing CIS and selling more OA to them. :thumbd: :thumbd:

No facts are presented usually.. Just accusations.. "Comodo forum bans everyone trying to post something bad.." That is simply not true. "CIS all the way around is a joke" stuff like that as well.. We know CIS is a top contender regarding good firewall and HIPS and has a long time given paid alternatives a run for the money.. And still is.. CIS has from time to time shown to be better than ALL the others in matusec tests and similar.

Ive seen OA fanatics (yes I know they hang at OA forusm..) trying to tell us how a product with a toolbar is not free, since they get money..

******** IMO.. A product do not become less free just because the guy giving it away gets some cash. If I get a free TV and it happens to have some stickers on the screen that I have to manually remove to see the image better I personally would still believe I got the TV for free.

[nielsson]

-{ Quote: "I see no evidence of this "cult of anti-comodo".

There is no hive-like mentality here, just independent thinkers who happen to be of the same opinion." }-


There is as much evidence of the anti comodo cult behavior as there is evidence of comodo cult behavior.. If you want I could PM some nicks.. That is very active trying to get people not pick CIS or has a history actively trashing CIS (but not so much other products)..

CIS is probably the only product here at wilders that receives this much critic in every thread.. Is it founded?? I don't think so.. CIS is least not so terrible as presented in every thread.. And even if CIS is not perfect for everyone it still presents a good option to advanced users..

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "OA fanboys is the worse IMO.

They are the ones taking fanboyism to the fanatic levels.. Without pinpointing, very active OA member comes here and is extremely active trashing CIS.
Many will trash talk CIS whenever they get the opportunity..

Its all about trashing CIS and selling more OA to them. :thumbd: :thumbd:

No facts are presented usually.. Just accusations.. "Comodo forum bans everyone trying to post something bad.." That is simply not true. "CIS all the way around is a joke" stuff like that as well.. We know CIS is a top contender regarding good firewall and HIPS and has a long time given paid alternatives a run for the money.. And still is.. CIS has from time to time shown to be better than ALL the others in matusec tests and similar.

Ive seen OA fanatics (yes I know they hang at OA forusm..) trying to tell us how a product with a toolbar is not free, since they get money..

******** IMO.. A product do not become less free just because the guy giving it away gets some cash. If I get a free TV and it happens to have some stickers on the screen that I have to manually remove to see the image better I personally would still believe I got the TV for free." }-

Post reported for profanity.

[nielsson]

-{ Quote: "Post reported for profanity." }-
Perhaps people here can stop calling people "Melih zombies" as well.. Iam a independent thinker just as anyone in here.. >:( >:(

The personal attacks the "against CIS" side gets away with is disturbing, I plead that if my posts gets removed then don't be selective.. remove personal assaults like the one where Eice as usual goes personal and accuse people to be brainwashed without any facts or proofs.. :wacko: :thumbd:

Or the post where Wildest tells us how "fanaticism on the Comodo forums go far beyond the average"..

Its just a personal rude opinion.. I strongly dissagre. And it crushes to see how saying similar stuff about OA or its members is absolutely not okay..

People are saying similar stuff as I just said about OA but instead they say it about CIS, Comodo forums.. This happens all the time..

But we should just take it I guess?? And accept everything.. He just called me brainwashed melih zombie and a cultist.. Well.. Its okay??

[ronjor]

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