Vendors product claims expos'e

[StevieO]

Prevx has been getting a bit of a bashing over it's claims lately. So i thought it only fair that we could examine other vendors claims and see how they stand up, or not.

NOTICE

This is not intended to be a general free for all type vendor bash discussion, just one that shows published statements from them.

Here's one for starters.

[IBK]

some little differences:
- You could answer the first question with "No" :P
- no other vendors are named

I think you could maybe find better examples.

[StevieO]

IBK

( "No" ) To what ?

( no other vendors are named ) Where ?

-

( better examples )

That was just a start, but they definately make some bold claims as you can see !

[StevieO]

Panda Cloud Antivirus http://www.cloudantivirus.com/help/01/en/06.htm

[StevieO]

( industry-leading protection from the lightest, fastest, most complete all-in-one solution available*.† )

†Symantec internal testing dated March 2009 of 4 competitive security applications.

http://www.symantec.com/norton/360

Symantec helps consumers and organizations secure and manage their information-driven world. Our software and services protect against more risks at more points, more completely and efficiently, enabling confidence wherever information is used or stored

http://www.symantec.com/about/index.jsp

[StevieO]

Eset www

[StevieO]

McAfee

[StevieO]

Why Kaspersky? http://www.kaspersky.co.uk/why_kaspersky

[Mongol]

This pretty much confirms what I wrote in post #103 in this link: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=243946&page=5. They all blow their own horn in their own little way.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "This pretty much confirms what I wrote in post #103 in this link: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=243946&page=5. They all blow their own horn in their own little way." }-

yeah, and why not..... If you or me won an accreditation from an independent testing organisation I would definitely shout about it..... the issue discussed in the other thread was using what can be seen as highly inaccurate internal data and presenting it as definitive......... I have yet to find anything that isnt substantiated on those websites apart from the Hitman claim...

[Mongol]

I agree - why not. They all blow their own horns in their own way to get customers. Try it, like it and buy it and if it works up to your expectations there you go...8)

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "I agree - why not. They all blow their own horns in their own way to get customers. Try it, like it and buy it and if it works up to your expectations there you go...8)" }-
you cant check out prevx.... sorry, you can but in that process you will be infected... very rogue...

[xxJackxx]

Everyone tried to distinguish themselves from the competition in an effort to attract customers. If you claim to be the best, you will be challenged by the competition. This is business every day. It's why you have to test a product yourself. Everyone says they are great. Just ask them. ;)

[m00nbl00d]

-{ Quote: "Everyone tried to distinguish themselves from the competition in an effort to attract customers. If you claim to be the best, you will be challenged by the competition. This is business every day. It's why you have to test a product yourself. Everyone says they are great. Just ask them. ;)" }-

Wise words... ;) If they are honest, they'll lose business. They won't say: Hey, buy our product. It won't detect all, but, at least, we'll be the ones getting your scarce money! :D

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "you cant check out prevx.... sorry, you can but in that process you will be infected... very rogue..." }-

You can't? I sure did, I contacted them, got a 2 week trial key and took it for a spin. Now I have a license...imagine that...:o :) Lets not get another Prevx rant going here. I never once mentioned Prevx specifically...

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "You can't? I sure did, I contacted them, got a 2 week trial key and took it for a spin. Now I have a license...imagine that...:o :) Lets not get another Prevx rant going here. I never once mentioned Prevx specifically..." }-

Yes but not everyone is going to contact them to get a trial key....if they wanted people to have a proper trial it would be built into the program....there is no argument to counter that.

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "Yes but not everyone is going to contact them to get a trial key....if they wanted people to have a proper trial it would be built into the program....there is no argument to counter that." }-

As I said, Lets not get another Prevx rant going here. I never once mentioned Prevx specifically...:dry:

[Einsturzende]

so, this thread is for ranting everybody except prevx ???
where is locksmith ???

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "so, this thread is for ranting everybody except prevx ???
where is locksmith ???" }-

For some reason you threw Prevx out at me and my post. I never brought up Prevx in ANY post. I in friendly fashion replied that I did not want this to turn into a Prevx flame thread that is ALL I said. The original poster wanted this to be a thread looking at quote "other vendors claims." You folks chat about whatever you want here, the world will keep spinning...;D

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "Yes but not everyone is going to contact them to get a trial key....if they wanted people to have a proper trial it would be built into the program....there is no argument to counter that." }-

I agree there should be a full trial version of (fill in the blank). I will probably move on to OA AV+ when the nifty new version with new engine comes out...8)

[StevieO]

AVG

http://www.avg.com/

[StevieO]

a2

http://www.emsisoft.com/en/

[StevieO]

Avira

http://www.avira.com/en/products/avira_premium_security_suite.html

[StevieO]

F-Secure

http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA/products/home-office/internet-security/

[StevieO]

Sophos

http://www.sophos.com/products/small-business/sophos-anti-virus/

[StevieO]

Vipre

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/

[StevieO]

Superantispyware

http://www.superantispyware.com/

[StevieO]

Trend

http://uk.trendmicro.com/uk/products/personal/internet-security-pro-2009/index.html

[spm]

I'm sure you and the PrevX staff are enjoying your postings here, but what are you actually trying to achieve? You start a thread in which you want to 'expose' (i.e., bash) other vendors' claims, and ask people not to get involved in vendor bashing. Mmm.

People's complaints about PrevX have not been about them praising their own product - of course they do, and does every vendor, and rightly so - but the tactics they have used by presenting statistics which are targetted at specific, named, competitors of theirs, completely misleading and wholly unsubstantiated. There's nothing you've posted here, incidentally, that shows other vendors using the same tactics.

Now, you have posted excerpts from lots of vendors' web sites here: I wonder, how many of them have given you permission to reproduce their copyrighted material? Do you really feel you are going about this the right way?

[jad123]

Seems simple to me. Don't like their marketing don't use the product. But thread after thread of Prevx bashing is beyond ridiculous. People have stated what they do not like and Prevx has stated the charts are staying. Oh well. Don't use the product. In the end it may hurt the bottom the line for Prevx. Check out Threatfire's claims on their website. Very similar.

[Vladimyr]

To whom do I send my claim for a refund of the last 5 minutes I spent reading this thread? :'(

"Vendors product claims expos'e"(sic) - now that's false advertising! :o

[trjam]

So what! Do you honestly think software vendors are the only ones that do this. Geez

[waters]

Other vendors have no need to advertise this way because they have been tested independently,PrevX would have nothing to advertise if they didnt put up their own stats

[trjam]

you know the funny thing is, the Prevx stats, could also be right.:dry:

[steve1955]

Its seems the OP in this thread has done what he set out to do:-wind up the fanboys of nearly every AV product out there,he deserves some credit for that!

[trjam]

Yep, thats me.;D

Definition of: fanboy

A male (or female if a "fangirl") who is completely devoted to a particular work. Fanboys are fiercely loyal and steadfast in their opinion. With regard to computers and technology, fanboys outnumber fangirls by a huge margin and may be enamored with particular computer platforms, MP3 players, cellphones, operating systems, video games or applications.

[spm]

-{ Quote: "Its seems the OP in this thread has done what he set out to do:-wind up the fanboys of nearly every AV product out there,he deserves some credit for that!" }-
While I agree that this forum is frequented by fanboys of all sorts of products, I don't actually see any posts in this thread that can lead you to your conclusion (except, possibly re the OP himself). In fact, it seems to me those who have posted to the thread have been rather restrained.

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "you know the funny thing is, the Prevx stats, could also be right.:dry:" }-
what that means... ???, you are joking, right? it could be wrong also... could, should, would .... please trjam...

[StevieO]

Hi all, just for the record i am NOT a Prevx fanboy, ok !

In fact i only installed last week, along with some other Apps to test it http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=243937 It didn't do as well as a couple of other products, but nontheless didn't disgrace itself.

I quite clearly stated right from the beginning what the modus operandi is for this thread.

An expose' is in NO way a (bash). It's what it is, showing how vendors describe their products. I'm not inventing what they say, it's all there in glorious technicolour for all to see. What people take from it is their business.

[spm]

-{ Quote: "Hi all, just for the record i am NOT a Prevx fanboy, ok ! " }-
OKaaaaaaaaay, but...

-{ Quote: "...An expose' is in NO way a (bash). It's what it is, showing how vendors describe their products. I'm not inventing what they say, it's all there in glorious technicolour for all to see. What people take from it is their business." }-
...that's almost word for word what prevx have been saying about their tactics.

[waters]

No other vendors are named in any other vendors claim.The only stats which are given are their own.I wouldnt buy any product like this

[Peter2150]

This is the kind of thread that makes me wish there was a $1.00 charge for each post. In that case this thread wouldn't exist, because.......(fill in your own blank)

Pete

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "what that means... ???, you are joking, right? it could be wrong also... could, should, would .... please trjam..." }-

Just say (fill in the blank) and he's back....:o

[webster]

Never missed an ITW virus :doubt:

209491

[steve1955]

-{ Quote: "While I agree that this forum is frequented by fanboys of all sorts of products, I don't actually see any posts in this thread that can lead you to your conclusion (except, possibly re the OP himself). In fact, it seems to me those who have posted to the thread have been rather restrained." }-
they don't actually defend their chosen product by name but some are trying to say the ad claiming another product caught stuff theirs missed is just advertising hype,without finding out if the claims are accurate or not or how the data was gleened

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Never missed an ITW virus :doubt:

209491" }-

you can check that chart...what to check about prevx? you cant even try it to check by yourself, believes are reserved for religions and gods not for security software
where to put my $1.00?

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "you can check that chart...what to check about prevx? you cant even try it to check by yourself, believes are reserved for religions and gods not for security software
where to put my $1.00?" }-

I'd rather put my 2 cents, but that's completely up to you. ;D

[De Hollander]

When you are in doubt, they won. Trust your own decision. No program is perfect.

[webster]

-{ Quote: "you can check that chart...what to check about prevx? you cant even try it to check by yourself, believes are reserved for religions and gods not for security software
where to put my $1.00?" }-

NOD never missed a ITW virus, and VT proves it? ::)

[trjam]

yeah, well good old F-Secure never let me down.;)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "yeah, well good old F-Secure never let me down.;)" }-

Trjam you use a new AV every week :p So tech none of them have let you down 8)

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "People's complaints about PrevX have not been about them praising their own product - of course they do, and does every vendor, and rightly so - but the tactics they have used by presenting statistics which are targetted at specific, named, competitors of theirs, completely misleading and wholly unsubstantiated. There's nothing you've posted here, incidentally, that shows other vendors using the same tactics." }-
This is exactly what prevx users are trying to hide ;)

Couldn't say it better myself. Your post deserves a big :thumb:

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "Other vendors have no need to advertise this way because they have been tested independently,PrevX would have nothing to advertise if they didnt put up their own stats" }-
-{ Quote: "No other vendors are named in any other vendors claim.The only stats which are given are their own.I wouldnt buy any product like this" }-
Another big :thumb: for these posts.

[vijayind]

Technically speaking DefenseWall, GesWall and Sandboxie are probably the software that can protect you from any malware.
Yet they don't discredit other vendors, but instead allow you, me and third party be the judge. As a result you find will find more post/threads going ga ga over Sandboxie than PrevX.

Food for thought, IMO.

PS: If you come profitable and a marginally big player. I am willing to bet that lawyers from at least Symantec and McAfee will coming knocking .... Thanks to your ingenious marketing plan.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Technically speaking DefenseWall, GesWall and Sandboxie are probably the software that can protect you from any malware.
Yet they don't discredit other vendors, but instead allow you, me and third party be the judge. As a result you find will find more post/threads going ga ga over Sandboxie than PrevX.

Food for thought, IMO.

PS: If you come profitable and a marginally big player. I am willing to bet that lawyers from at least Symantec and McAfee will coming knocking .... Thanks to your ingenious marketing plan." }-
I agree but can be a issues with kids and older folks with computers. Suites, for the most part still offer simplicity and ease of understanding. All the ones you mentioned are really the future, but there is still a need for AV products. I think Bas Kaz said it best last week with, scanning is dead, at least from the stand point of scanning your entire computer. Having a AV that scans as you execute choices is still the best way.

[Paul Wilders]

Ladies & gents,

It's obvious all opinions have been vented (often more then once). There's no use getting into an endless loop. Those who are interested can read this thread and make up his/her own mind.

Therefore: thread closed.